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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Adam on December 13, 2015, 09:10:AM
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The main injuries caused by Neville's horrific beating are -
Black eyes.
Broken nose.
Linear bruising to the cheeks. Possibly from a hard object like a gun.
Lacerations to the head.
Linear type bruising to the right forearm. Possibly from a hard object such as a gun.
Bruising to the left wrist.
Bruising to the forearm.
Three circular burn type marks to the back.
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The judge said Neville put up 'a ferocious fight for life'. So Sheila would have had to negate Neville with this beating while Neville was still alive.
If the judge was wrong and Neville did not fight back, then why would Sheila give him this beating ? She just needed to shoot him again to kill him.
The view that Sheila killed him with eight bullets then gave a dead man this beating is warped. Realistically Neville did put up a ferocious fight for life and Sheila had to give him the above injuries. The crime scene, with upturned chairs supports this.
Having established that Sheila had a massive struggle with Neville, while he was alive, the following questions need to be answered -
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Is it reasonable that Sheila would not have any facial or body injuries ?
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Is it realistic that Sheila had no marks on her feet ?
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Is it reasonable that Sheila would have no damage to her nightie ?
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Was Sheila physically strong enough to commit these injuries ? Broken noses, skin bruising and black eyes only occur after massive blows from a fist or another object.
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Did Sheila have the time to commit these injuries and kill everyone else, and herself in a short space of time after Neville's phone call and before the police arrived ?
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Is it realistic that none of Neville's blood was on Sheila ?
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Why did Sheila put circular burn marks on Neville's back, but not on anyone else's ?
The answer to the first six questions are 'no'. Meaning Sheila could not have committed this beating.
The answer to the seventh question, is that Sheila wanted to make sure Neville was dead.As he had survived the bullets from upstairs. Would Sheila in a psychotic rage have been rational enough to be able decide to do this ?
In conclusion, Sheila did not struggle with Neville.
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From the 2002 appeal.
33. In the kitchen the police found Nevill Bamber's body slumped forward over an overturned chair next to the hearth, so that his head was just above a coal scuttle. The police evidence was that there were other chairs and stools upturned and broken crockery, sugar and what appeared to be spots of blood on the floor. A ceiling light lampshade had also been broken. It will be necessary to address further these matter later but on the evidence available at trial, it appeared as though a violent struggle had taken place. On one of the surfaces there was a telephone with the receiver off the cradle. A quantity of .22 shells was beside it.
This shows there was a violent struggle. If Neville got to the kitchen and then just slumped down, lifeless to floor, there was no reason why Sheila on her own would smash up the kitchen. Or beat Neville so horrifically. If she wanted Neville dead, she would have just shot him.
It is impossible for Sheila to have such a tremendous fight with Neville and have no evidence of such.
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It is impossible for Sheila to have such a tremendous fight with Neville and have no evidence of such.
With this, I do agree.
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What needs to be determined now is did Sheila have a shower after killing everyone ? But things like bruising you cannot wash off.
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369. In addition, there was a body of evidence from non-expert witnesses who had spoken to or been in contact with Sheila Caffell in the days immediately preceding these killings. The trial judge devoted some eight pages of his summing up to all this evidence, and summarised its effect in the following way:
"Most of them saw signs of Sheila's illness which agreed entirely with Dr Ferguson's evidence about it. None of them, at any stage, knew of any physical violence by Sheila, although on occasions when she was acutely ill - as when Freddie saw her just before she went into hospital in March - they were frightened that she might become violent. All of them agree that she was loving - very loving - and caring for her twin sons. There was evidence that she sometimes had a difficult relationship with her mother. Everyone seems to agree that she was very attached to her father, and that he was the person who had a remarkably calming effect upon her. Dr Ferguson said that in his view she treated him as her mentor - a source of help and someone who could calm her when she was in trouble. There is no evidence from anyone of her ever expressing any violence towards her parents."
This is from the 2002 appeal.
If Neville couldn't calm her, Bamber couldn't.
Neville would have asked June was assistance. Either to attempt to calm Sheila, physically help him to restrain Sheila, or ask June to go go the twins. June was in the house, not three miles away.
Anyway, a suggestion has been made that Sheila beat Neville after he had died. This firstly means she fired 8 extremely accurate head shots into a moving target.
It secondly means that she then carried out a horrific beating to the person she looked up to most, after he had died. Disrupting the kitchen in the process. But did not touch June after she had died.
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excellent posts adam and all true facts.doubters must read
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excellent posts adam and all true facts.doubters must read
interesting post Sami.
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interesting post Sami.
interesting post Sami.
sorry maggie .all true facts in MY opinion
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sorry maggie .all true facts in MY opinion
You are entitled to your opinion.
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excellent posts adam and all true facts.doubters must read
That has to be a first on both points.
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interesting post Sami.
Maggie
not aware that we have any doubters on here either guilty or innocent and I don't think for one moment anyone is about to change their views reading Adam's posts the information he is posting was posted up when I joined years ago maybe somebody new to the case will find his posts helpful.
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Maggie
not aware that we have any doubters on here either guilty or innocent and I don't think for one moment anyone is about to change their views reading Adam's posts the information he is posting was posted up when I joined years ago maybe somebody new to the case will find his posts helpful.
if you dont beleive he did it youre a doubter.in my opinion adams posts with the evidence will change more peoples minds on his guilt than anything you have posted
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if you dont beleive he did it youre a doubter.in my opinion adams posts with the evidence will change more peoples minds on his guilt than anything you have posted
Hahaha sami that is not very democratic is it. Where has freedom of choice gone. You are convinced Jeremy Bamber is guilty some posters on here are equally convinced he is innocent they don't call you a doubter and many of them have been following the case longer than you and probably have more knowledge than you as you are quite new to the case.
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if you dont beleive he did it youre a doubter.in my opinion adams posts with the evidence will change more peoples minds on his guilt than anything you have posted
I'm sure Adam will be pleased to know he has a supporter, but I feel his posts are more unlikely, than most, to change anyone's mind.
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Hahaha sami that is not very democratic is it. Where has freedom of choice gone. You are convinced Jeremy Bamber is guilty some posters on here are equally convinced he is innocent they don't call you a doubter and many of them have been following the case longer than you and probably have more knowledge than you as you are quite new to the case.
sami firstly why would I wish to try and change anyone's mind and how do you know my stance on this case you don't and I will leave it to you to work it out.
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Hahaha sami that is not very democratic is it. Where has freedom of choice gone. You are convinced Jeremy Bamber is guilty some posters on here are equally convinced he is innocent they don't call you a doubter and many of them have been following the case longer than you and probably have more knowledge than you as you are quite new to the case.
sorry
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sorry
sami don't be sorry you are a nice person and like me post things without thinking too deeplyX
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I'm sure Adam will be pleased to know he has a supporter, but I feel his posts are more unlikely, than most, to change anyone's mind.
jane i feel in my opinion that a person who is 50 50 on this case might well change to believing jb is guilt after reading adams post and the evidence from the tria.he makes a good case.thats my opinion only mind.
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jane i feel in my opinion that a person who is 50 50 on this case might well change to believing jb is guilt after reading adams post and the evidence from the tria.he makes a good case.thats my opinion only mind.
As much of what Adam writes as fact is simply his own opinion, I wouldn't feel happy for anyone to change their stance on such information. People should make their minds up considering the details and the facts, such as they are. I cannot understand your reasoning, sorry.
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As much of what Adam writes as fact is simply his own opinion, I wouldn't feel happy for anyone to change their stance on such information. People should make their minds up considering the details and the facts, such as they are. I cannot understand your reasoning, sorry.
Maggie, I was about to say that too much of what Adam says is influenced by his own opinions and coloured by glaring inaccuracies which he presents as "fact" This can be totally misleading. All the factual information necessary for genning up on the case can be found in Archives and Library. I can see, however, that anything said with enough sense of self and authority, will be very influential. We only have to recall the effect, on the police, of Jeremy's words re Sheila, outside WHF.
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Well all the facts I post I have a source or several sources for. Once I put a rod on my own back by saying I could find 10 sources on one issue. There are now 20 !
I then give my opinion on the facts. Such as yesterday when on Nugs post. It is a fact that Neville was beaten. In my opinion he was not beaten after being killed by 8 shots.
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Well all the facts I post I have a source or several sources for. Once I put a rod on my own back by saying I could find 10 sources on one issue. There are now 20 !
I then give my opinion on the facts. Such as yesterday when on Nugs post. It is a fact that Neville was beaten. In my opinion he was not beaten after being killed by 8 shots.
At least you have put IN YOUR OPINION . That is a step forward.
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Well all the facts I post I have a source or several sources for. Once I put a rod on my own back by saying I could find 10 sources on one issue. There are now 20 !
I then give my opinion on the facts. Such as yesterday when on Nugs post. It is a fact that Neville was beaten. In my opinion he was not beaten after being killed by 8 shots.
why beat someone who's already dead.why wasnt june and the twins beaten in the same way .she disliked june alot more than nevill.like any father he gave his daughter everything she wanted .why beat him.sheila did not give him any sort of beating while alive or dead.it was jb
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Well all the facts I post I have a source or several sources for. Once I put a rod on my own back by saying I could find 10 sources on one issue. There are now 20 !
I then give my opinion on the facts. Such as yesterday when on Nugs post. It is a fact that Neville was beaten. In my opinion he was not beaten after being killed by 8 shots.
In all the time I've been here I don't believe anyone has ever seriously suggested he was, and this is the problem I have with your threads, many of which seem to suggest, as real possibilities, trivial and unimportant points - some of which you exaggerate as being forensic- that no one but you has considered worthy of mention. Making it very clear that it is only your opinion is helpful.
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why beat someone who's already dead.why wasnt june and the twins beaten in the same way .she disliked june alot more than nevill.like any father he gave his daughter everything she wanted .why beat him.sheila did not give him any sort of beating while alive or dead.it was jb
Very good point Sami.
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why beat someone who's already dead.why wasnt june and the twins beaten in the same way .she disliked june alot more than nevill.like any father he gave his daughter everything she wanted not being left w.why beat him.sheila did not give him any sort of beating while alive or dead.it was jb
IF Sheila was the murderer she could have been in the middle of an episode where she did not recognise any of her family as her family - so you could not apply logic to her actions
or there may have been a situation where she was severely depressed and thought that everyone would be better off without her and that included the twins being better off dead - could her father had said something that was in her eyes a betrayal because he was usually her ally ? Apparently June and Neville were thinking about fostering the twins themselves ? in her eyes that could have been a terrible thing to happen?
All of this is just supposition of course but I don't think everything can be made so black and white.
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Good point Sami. I said the same thing yesterday. But no one said good point to me. Not even Jane J. Which upset me.
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Good point Sami. I said the same thing yesterday. But no one said good point to me. Not even Jane J. Which upset me.
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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IF Sheila was the murderer she could have been in the middle of an episode where she did not recognise any of her family as her family - so you could not apply logic to her actions
or there may have been a situation where she was severely depressed and thought that everyone would be better off without her and that included the twins being better off dead - could her father had said something that was in her eyes a betrayal because he was usually her ally ? Apparently June and Neville were thinking about fostering the twins themselves ? in her eyes that could have been a terrible thing to happen?
All of this is just supposition of course but I don't think everything can be made so black and white.
your quoting the words of a child killer .what proof have you got or seen that this was their plan .i would like to see it.the only one to tell that story was jb.complete rubbish.why didnt she see the other victims as devils and beat them also.
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IF Sheila was the murderer she could have been in the middle of an episode where she did not recognise any of her family as her family - so you could not apply logic to her actions
or there may have been a situation where she was severely depressed and thought that everyone would be better off without her and that included the twins being better off dead - could her father had said something that was in her eyes a betrayal because he was usually her ally ? Apparently June and Neville were thinking about fostering the twins themselves ? in her eyes that could have been a terrible thing to happen?
All of this is just supposition of course but I don't think everything can be made so black and white.
Jan, I went through all of those possibilities. They were just suppositions. We have NO idea of what, if any, conversation transpired that evening. There are many conflicting reports about Sheila's behaviour but I don't believe any were conducive to her committing murder. Like you, I don't believe most things in terms of being black or white. I also find myself wondering, if the decision had been arrived at that Sheila had been responsible, whether MORE people would be wondering if it had been Jeremy who was responsible.
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your quoting the words of a child killer .what proof have you got or seen that this was their plan .i would like to see it.the only one to tell that story was jb.complete rubbish.why didnt she see the other victims as devils and beat them also.
so you know 100% he is guilty so why are you here? And I would not be so presumptious to know what goes through the mind of someone with her illness.
what is true is that she was ill, she had been concerned that she could harm her own children and she had seen FE as the devil. And those are not the words of Jeremy they are the words of her doctor and her friend.
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Jan, I went through all of those possibilities. They were just suppositions. We have NO idea of what, if any, conversation transpired that evening. There are many conflicting reports about Sheila's behaviour but I don't believe any were conducive to her committing murder. Like you, I don't believe most things in terms of being black or white. I also find myself wondering, if the decision had been arrived at that Sheila had been responsible, whether MORE people would be wondering if it had been Jeremy who was responsible.
exactly that's what I said supposition. But there was nothing in Jeremys behaviour to suggest he was a murderer either . Unless of course you believe Julie. Like I said I am always here to discuss and ask questions. That's all.
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exactly that's what I said supposition. But there was nothing in Jeremys behaviour to suggest he was a murderer either . Unless of course you believe Julie. Like I said I am always here to discuss and ask questions. That's all.
Do you think there's anything in Sheila's behaviour to suggest she was a murderer, other than her mental illness is convenient?
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so you know 100% he is guilty so why are you here? And I would not be so presumptious to know what goes through the mind of someone with her illness.
what is true is that she was ill, she had been concerned that she could harm her own children and she had seen FE as the devil. And those are not the words of Jeremy they are the words of her doctor and her friend.
i never said i knew everything 100%. iam here to learn more about the case .also why iam here is no concern of yours.i know rubbish when i read it .
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Adam, your points 1 to 7 wouldnt they apply to jeremy too.? Julie didnt comment on any marks on him neither did any family members or police that were with him from the get go,
you cant have it both ways.
How did he cover up his injuries. Bloodied clothes etc.
dont buy it.
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http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7199.0.html
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Adam, your points 1 to 7 wouldnt they apply to jeremy too.? Julie didnt comment on any marks on him neither did any family members or police that were with him from the get go,
you cant have it both ways.
How did he cover up his injuries. Bloodied clothes etc.
dont buy it.
DEAD (forgive the pun) easy. A) No one was looking for them B) He had time to cover any C) he could have put bloodied clothes in the washing machine as soon as he got home and long before he called the police. D) He could have hidden them until they could be disposed of.
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Do you think there's anything in Sheila's behaviour to suggest she was a murderer, other than her mental illness is convenient?
The fact that she was quiet ( thinking deeply ) Her quick temper. The " hints " that she gave out which no normal person would think let alone tell.
" All people are bad and should be killed " as told to BW.
" Her boys were capable of killing her,etc."as told to her psychiatrist.
Would not these be warning signs ?
In MOST cases where mothers have killed,either their GP's or Psychiatrists have said that they didn't pose a danger. How much do these people know ? They put it down to them " not being well !!" They don't say !
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Sorry jane rubbish, this is the person that was supposed to have savagely beaten his father who had put up a tremendous fight! Julie surely having slept in the same bed as him would have seen injuries. Anne eaton seemed to be determined to frame him fof the murder but she couldn't come up with any either. The police were sat at his table drinking tea and they didnt see any.
nope dont buy it. If shiela was supposed to have injuries etc etc then so would have jeremy .
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The fact that she was quiet ( thinking deeply ) Her quick temper. The " hints " that she gave out which no normal person would think let alone tell.
" All people are bad and should be killed " as told to BW.
" Her boys were capable of killing her,etc."as told to her psychiatrist.
Would not these be warning signs ?
In MOST cases where mothers have killed,either their GP's or Psychiatrists have said that they didn't pose a danger. How much do these people know ? They put it down to them " not being well !!" They don't say !
You're ignoring that I said her illness was being used by the innocent side as a convenient crutch, Lookout. Those things you quote her as saying were prior to her being admitted when she had the first breakdown and PRIOR to being medicated. Those quotes were part of the reason she was admitted. What I was asking was what there was about Sheila's personality -leaving out her illness-m which suggested she was capable of murder.
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Sorry jane rubbish, this is the person that was supposed to have savagely beaten his father who had put up a tremendous fight! Julie surely having slept in the same bed as him would have seen injuries. Anne eaton seemed to be determined to frame him fof the murder but she couldn't come up with any either. The police were sat at his table drinking tea and they didnt see any.
nope dont buy it. If shiela was supposed to have injuries etc etc then so would have jeremy .
Did they have x-ray eyes to see beneath his clothes? Julie certainly shared his bed but she implied to the police that she hadn't felt able to have sex with him after the murders which suggests she may not have been too keen to examine his body closely. What makes you think the police would have been able to see any injuries on him whilst the were taking tea with him? Had there been any, he'd undoubtedly have gone to great lengths to cover them -didn't a glove come off at some point during the struggle with his father?- and they'd have passed off any need for layers of clothes as shock.
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Sorry jane rubbish, this is the person that was supposed to have savagely beaten his father who had put up a tremendous fight! Julie surely having slept in the same bed as him would have seen injuries. Anne eaton seemed to be determined to frame him fof the murder but she couldn't come up with any either. The police were sat at his table drinking tea and they didnt see any.
nope dont buy it. If shiela was supposed to have injuries etc etc then so would have jeremy .
Bamber was padded up, and a lot stronger than Sheila. He wasn't bare footed wearing a nightie. I posted a link for you just now.
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Sorry jane rubbish, this is the person that was supposed to have savagely beaten his father who had put up a tremendous fight! Julie surely having slept in the same bed as him would have seen injuries. Anne eaton seemed to be determined to frame him fof the murder but she couldn't come up with any either. The police were sat at his table drinking tea and they didnt see any.
nope dont buy it. If shiela was supposed to have injuries etc etc then so would have jeremy .
what injuries do you expect jb to have .if he was wearing gloves and mask.lets get it straight after taking 4 shots .nevill was in self defence mode jb was the attacker .the best nevill could do was block and try to grab the gun from jb.i doubt if both arms and hands were used because of the shots to his arm.he would not be punching or scratching jb.at best he tryed to grab the rifle .so jb would not have to be marked as people think.he beat nevill until he passed out then reloaded and shot him in the head
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i never said i knew everything 100%. iam here to learn more about the case .also why iam here is no concern of yours.i know rubbish when i read it .
lets start again shall we without insulting each others posts.
What part of my post specifically was rubbish?
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i never said i knew everything 100%. iam here to learn more about the case .also why iam here is no concern of yours.i know rubbish when i read it .
sami what part of Jan's post do you think is rubbish?
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lets start again shall we without insulting each others posts.
What part of my post specifically was rubbish?
Jan I have just asked that very same question I can see no part of your post rubbish and I think it was rather rude of sami to say that.
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Did they have x-ray eyes to see beneath his clothes? Julie certainly shared his bed but she implied to the police that she hadn't felt able to have sex with him after the murders which suggests she may not have been too keen to examine his body closely. What makes you think the police would have been able to see any injuries on him whilst the were taking tea with him? Had there been any, he'd undoubtedly have gone to great lengths to cover them -didn't a glove come off at some point during the struggle with his father?- and they'd have passed off any need for layers of clothes as shock.
Why do you think Julie did not cover the vital bit of information about what he did with his clothes ? Its strange that all her information fitted the crime as known by the police , but not this vital bit of information.
If it was Jeremy I don't think he would have risked the clothes being in the house just in case he became a suspect immediately - especially after the two shot fiasco. He must have had another plan.
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Why do you think Julie did not cover the vital bit of information about what he did with his clothes ? Its strange that all her information fitted the crime as known by the police , but not this vital bit of information.
If it was Jeremy I don't think he would have risked the clothes being in the house just in case he became a suspect immediately - especially after the two shot fiasco. He must have had another plan.
Why would he tell her what he did with his clothes when he told her a hit man was responsible?
Why would he think he would be a suspect? Clearly with what he told them they wouldn't be looking at him immediately and besides, he thought he had the perfect plan.
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Good point Sami. I said the same thing yesterday. But no one said good point to me. Not even Jane J. Which upset me.
very good point adam.better late than never.
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Why do you think Julie did not cover the vital bit of information about what he did with his clothes ? Its strange that all her information fitted the crime as known by the police , but not this vital bit of information.
If it was Jeremy I don't think he would have risked the clothes being in the house just in case he became a suspect immediately - especially after the two shot fiasco. He must have had another plan.
Why would she know? WE have no idea what time he'd have got back. If he'd put those clothes straight in the wash, by the time Julie got to the house, if he'd had a washer/dryer, they could have been back in the cupboards. I don't believe he had a plan B because I don't believe he thought plan A would fail.
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Why would he tell her what he did with his clothes when he told her a hit man was responsible?
Why would he think he would be a suspect? Clearly with what he told them they wouldn't be looking at him immediately and besides, he thought he had the perfect plan.
That's a good point.
Supporters say Julie never said Bamber told her he did it. Now supporters are asking why didn't Bamber tell her where he put the clothes.
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Why would she know? WE have no idea what time he'd have got back. If he'd put those clothes straight in the wash, by the time Julie got to the house, if he'd had a washer/dryer, they could have been back in the cupboards. I don't believe he had a plan B because I don't believe he thought plan A would fail.
i agree with that.how hard would it be to fold pants .teeshirt and jeans put them in plastic bag and hide it in his own house.
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Jan asked me why Bamber didn't keep shooting Neville rather than beat him. I suggested he may have run out of bullets !
I suspect Jan may have other things on her mind. Like what to buy me for christmas.
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Jan asked me why Bamber didn't keep shooting Neville rather than beat him. I suggested he may have run out of bullets !
I suspect Jan may have other things on her mind. Like what to buy me for christmas.
witty very witty adam.nice one
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Why would he tell her what he did with his clothes when he told her a hit man was responsible?
Why would he think he would be a suspect? Clearly with what he told them they wouldn't be looking at him immediately and besides, he thought he had the perfect plan.
yes implicate yourself so your girlfriend can go to the police but don't tell her the whole truth. Brilliant.
Why bother?
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Adam not funny as usual and you may have noticed you only have one supporter I wonder why.
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Jan asked me why Bamber didn't keep shooting Neville rather than beat him. I suggested he may have run out of bullets !
I suspect Jan may have other things on her mind. Like what to buy me for christmas.
Make up your mind Adam - you said he was beaten before he got his final shots - not after - hence my comment . Your mind is obviously elsewhere as well.
And I know exactly what to get you for Christmas - a legal dictionary ;D
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Jan asked me why Bamber didn't keep shooting Neville rather than beat him. I suggested he may have run out of bullets !
I suspect Jan may have other things on her mind. Like what to buy me for christmas.
If someone from here sends you a gift I don't think you should open the box, the odds are against it being something pleasant.
If you act the same way in person you do here it might be a good rule of thumb to use for all gifts you receive.
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Adam not funny as usual and you may have noticed you only have one supporter I wonder why.
Me thinks he has recruited some little friends from somewhere :)
double the fun :)
I could do with more people with the same sense of humour as Adam . Not
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yes implicate yourself so your girlfriend can go to the police but don't tell her the whole truth. Brilliant.
Why bother?
he had first told her he done it than changed that to hireing a hitman.because he sensed she was uneasy about it .as for julie why would she ask him the in's and out's
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If someone from here sends you a gift I don't think you should open the box, the odds are against it being something pleasant.
If you act the same way in person you do here it might be a good rule of thumb to use for all gifts you receive.
all us ancient old ladies he refers to on here have offered to go round to his house. But he does not seem keen. I think he is ageist - which is a shame because he might be in for a shock. But then again so might we ;D
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If anyone sent a gift,you'd know you'd been hacked.That would be my way of looking at it. Forever wary.
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i will send you a gift adam.if no others will.adding a little humour doesnt hurt anyone.we should lighten up
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Jan I have just asked that very same question I can see no part of your post rubbish and I think it was rather rude of sami to say that.
iam not talking of jans posts or any others.you misunderstood
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i will send you a gift adam.if no others will.adding a little humour doesnt hurt anyone.we should lighten up
Forgive me for pointing this out, Sami, but you haven't been here long and you certainly haven't been subjected to -nor yet witnessed- the "treatment" that many of us have. Please believe that there is very justifiable reason for the way we feel.
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all us ancient old ladies he refers to on here have offered to go round to his house. But he does not seem keen. I think he is ageist - which is a shame because he might be in for a shock. But then again so might we ;D
I felt ancient before by the time I'd been shopping. ;D ;D
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iam not talking of jans posts or any others.you misunderstood
sorry sami I did misunderstand you and I was puzzled as one thing Jan does not post is rubbish she is a highly intelligent well informed lady and knows her stuff when it comes to the Bamber case..
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Forgive me for pointing this out, Sami, but you haven't been here long and you certainly haven't been subjected to -nor yet witnessed- the "treatment" that many of us have. Please believe that there is very justifiable reason for the way we feel.
sorry jane what did adam say.ive been called thick by mike so iam learning
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Forgive me for pointing this out, Sami, but you haven't been here long and you certainly haven't been subjected to -nor yet witnessed- the "treatment" that many of us have. Please believe that there is very justifiable reason for the way we feel.
Jane J very well said think sami needs to be on the forum for a few months before she/he is sending gifts to Adam ;D you have had your fair share of abuse from him along with Jan.
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We are all still learning that is the nature of the case .
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sorry jane what did adam say.ive been called thick by mike so iam learning
Hahaha sami thought you said you were leaving because Mike called you thick so glad when I read your post again you said learning ;D
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We are all still learning that is the nature of the case .
Jan that is so true and none of us will ever know the whole truth.
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Jan that is so true and none of us will ever know the whole truth.
I hope we will one day .
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I hope we will one day .
Jan I hope that too because at the moment it is all confusing to say the least.
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Hahaha sami thought you said you were leaving because Mike called you thick so glad when I read your post again you said learning ;D
susan i like a bit of humour with the posts but iam against insulting people.but if i do see an insult i will not comment on it its between the one who said it and the one receiving it nothing to do with me .if you like i will say the above sentence in 3 months time so at least i would have been here long enough then to be allowed to express my thoughts
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sorry jane what did adam say.ive been called thick by mike so iam learning
I will only say that Adam has earned himself a reputation few of us would want.
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susan i like a bit of humour with the posts but iam against insulting people.but if i do see an insult i will not comment on it its between the one who said it and the one receiving it nothing to do with me .if you like i will say the above sentence in 3 months time so at least i would have been here long enough then to be allowed to express my thoughts
sorry sami I do not understand your post. Mike calling you thick is not funny and none of us would think it is you would be entitled to b e annoyed at that is that what you mean. Adam has never been rude as such to me but he has to Jane and Jan is this what you were referring to. If I see one poster being really nasty to another I try not to comment but sometimes I feel I have to offer support to the poster getting the abuse.
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sorry sami I do not understand your post. Mike calling you thick is not funny and none of us would think it is you would be entitled to b e annoyed at that is that what you mean. Adam has never been rude as such to me but he has to Jane and Jan is this what you were referring to. If I see one poster being really nasty to another I try not to comment but sometimes I feel I have to offer support to the poster getting the abuse.
susan ive joined to better my understanding of the case.and not to insult anyone or be insulted.but if some one calls me thick so what its his opinion.and if i say thats rubbish or utter tripe its only my opinion.now calling someone a swear word is insulting and will not do it .if you feel someone is rude to you just dont communicate with them
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susan ive joined to better my understanding of the case.and not to insult anyone or be insulted.but if some one calls me thick so what its his opinion.and if i say thats rubbish or utter tripe its only my opinion.now calling someone a swear word is insulting and will not do it .if you feel someone is rude to you just dont communicate with them
sami have I insulted you at all do hope not. I know you have joined to understand the case better that was the reason I joined and I am more confused than ever now hahaha.
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sami have I insulted you at all do hope not. I know you have joined to understand the case better that was the reason I joined and I am more confused than ever now hahaha.
no susan youve not insulted me at all.but i feel you do stir the pot sometimes.hope you dont mind me saying that.
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no susan youve not insulted me at all.but i feel you do stir the pot sometimes.hope you dont mind me saying that.
sami no I don't mind you saying that at all cannot think why you would think that but I am quite cool with it could you please elaborate as my humour and yours maybe different.
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what injuries do you expect jb to have .if he was wearing gloves and mask.lets get it straight after taking 4 shots .nevill was in self defence mode jb was the attacker .the best nevill could do was block and try to grab the gun from jb.i doubt if both arms and hands were used because of the shots to his arm.he would not be punching or scratching jb.at best he tryed to grab the rifle .so jb would not have to be marked as people think.he beat nevill until he passed out then reloaded and shot him in the head
well you agreed with adams post which would mean shiela would have injuries etc so now your saying jb wouldnt.
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some people who believe jb is guilty argue and insult each other when one doesnt agree with the others theory i cant understand that .if another believer thinks my theory is wrong and can prove it .than i will not get the hump with him.how can i .ive just learnt a new fact.
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Thank goodness I'm on the innocent side,I've only got myself to argue with. I do it aloud sometimes.
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some people who believe jb is guilty argue and insult each other when one doesnt agree with the others theory i cant understand that .if another believer thinks my theory is wrong and can prove it .than i will not get the hump with him.how can i .ive just learnt a new fact.
That has been noted sami, we will hold you to account. ;D
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well you agreed with adams post which would mean shiela would have injuries etc so now your saying jb wouldnt.
jb is a lot stronger then sheila i think you will agree.he also was on no medication like sheila was.bamber had glove on when the stock broke or he would have cut his hand .ds jones knew this and asked about bambers gloves .which he said a leather pair with a rip on them .he could not or did not show them the gloves.do you understand now.a fit young man fighting an old man with 4 shot in him.what injuries do you expect.
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Thank goodness I'm on the innocent side,I've only got myself to argue with. I do it aloud sometimes.
You have Jan and Notsure, although the innocent squad are shrinking fast. ;)
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You have Jan and Notsure, although the innocent squad are shrinking fast. ;)
I think Notsure is not sure, but I'm not sure.
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That has been noted sami, we will hold you to account. ;D
who is we'and hold me to account on what.its my opinion if you dont like it dont answer my posts.youre going on like your the police or some sort of mafia.'noted we will hold you to account.oh grow up please
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I think Notsure is not sure, but I'm not sure.
mat iam in fits of laughter with the above statement good on you mate.thats what the forum should be a bit of fun as well
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You have Jan and Notsure, although the innocent squad are shrinking fast. ;)
Does it really matter ?
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who is we'and hold me to account on what.its my opinion if you dont like it dont answer my posts.youre going on like your the police or some sort of mafia.'noted we will hold you to account.oh grow up please
Tsk-------tut tut !
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Does it really matter ?
I imagine it does to him! Not to me though other than I think more people should wake up!
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I imagine it does to him! Not to me though other than I think more people should wake up!
And then you did! Which is good. ;)
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I imagine it does to him! Not to me though other than I think more people should wake up!
Maybe he knows who the genuine ones are !
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Maybe he knows who the genuine ones are !
Genuine what?
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who is we'and hold me to account on what.its my opinion if you dont like it dont answer my posts.youre going on like your the police or some sort of mafia.'noted we will hold you to account.oh grow up please
I was joking SAMI but you obviously didn't understand that.
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I was joking SAMI but you obviously didn't understand that.
sorry maggie .its the second time someones said a joke and i havnt got it.i will try harder
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sorry maggie .its the second time someones said a joke and i havnt got it.i will try harder
Hello Sami. Welcome back. Will you be staying long? ;D
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Hello Sami. Welcome back. Will you be staying long? ;D
not sure yet.is it another joke
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not sure yet.is it another joke
You tell me ::)