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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: nugnug on November 09, 2015, 05:05:PM
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out of all witneses who is the most reliable and constant.
jeremy doesnt count becouse hes a suspect not a witness.
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I'm afraid that's a difficult one nugs.
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yes i cant really make my mind up ethere
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out of all witneses who is the most reliable and constant.
jeremy doesnt count becouse hes a suspect not a witness.
If it's about reliability, Jeremy certainly doesn't count!!
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what ever your opion of his story he still doesnt count.
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Is Nuggsy being paid to start topics? ;D
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yes both my and adam are.
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out of all witneses who is the most reliable and constant.
jeremy doesnt count becouse hes a suspect not a witness.
Colin,though he didn't say much at trial.
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feel free nug nug :)
I think it is a difficult question because the statements may give impressions of people that if you knew them in real life may not be true.
For example AE seems a very hard and determined person using everything she can to implicate Jeremy as does RB but she obviously could have been correct and therefore perhaps she is not vindictive , but moral because she did what she thought was correct.
However I find the evidence about the silencer confusing as all the statements about its appearance discovery/storage/handing to the police seem confused and not consistent.
The testimony of JM to me (IMO) seems inconsistent and confusing and made to fit the crime scene when I think the police did think there was a hitman.To me her statements were the main reason I thought the case was odd in the first place. Was she reliable ? Only two people really know that .
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actually I did not realise BW had not worked at WHF for only a few years I thought she had been around when J and S were younger . She seemed to change with the wind.
One person who should have known a lot was Pamela - did she appear at the trial? I only saw one statement.
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Colin,though he didn't say much at trial.
I think Colin was far too traumatised to remember things clearly. I believe he was is a good person and very sincere but poor guy must have been completely out of it half the time.
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colins the most realible in that hes got no particler axe to grind but wether hes completly consitant i dont know you can certanly say he dident lie.
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colins the most realible in that hes got no particler axe to grind but wether hes completly consitant i dont know you can certanly say he dident lie.
What would be the advantage of him lying?
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i said he dident lie read the post.
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i said he dident lie read the post.
I read the post, which is as follows
colins the most realible in that hes got no particler axe to grind but wether hes completly consitant i dont know you can certanly say he dident lie.
It reads "I don't know you can certainly say he didn't lie"! There is no punctuation so it doesn't read how you think it does. I suspect the whole thing was supposed to say;
"Colin is the most reliable in that he's got no particular axe to grind but whether he's completely consistent i don't know, you can certainly say he didn't lie"
One looks like you're saying you can't be sure he didn't lie, the other that you're not sure if he was consistent but that he didn't lie. I can't know what you mean if what you write doesn't reflect it!
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i said he dident lie read the post.
I understood your post .
In retrospect when the alleged truth began to materialise he re-evaluated Jeremys behaviour and to be honest I would imagine in the beginning he was too much in shock to consider any other alternative than the scenario that the police gave him. But he still reserved most criticism for June - which in fact was very honest because he could not exactly say he suspected Jeremy at all because he spent quite a bit time with him and Julie in the first weeks .
I think his book is very honest . I wish he had not criticised June to the extent he did because she is not here to give her side of the story - but he felt he had to clear Sheilas name - for the sake of his sons I imagine - so I am sure he had his justification.
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I understood your post .
In retrospect when the alleged truth began to materialise he re-evaluated Jeremys behaviour and to be honest I would imagine in the beginning he was too much in shock to consider any other alternative than the scenario that the police gave him. But he still reserved most criticism for June - which in fact was very honest because he could not exactly say he suspected Jeremy at all because he spent quite a bit time with him and Julie in the first weeks .
I think his book is very honest . I wish he had not criticised June to the extent he did because she is not here to give her side of the story - but he felt he had to clear Sheilas name - for the sake of his sons I imagine - so I am sure he had his justification.
Good post Jan, I haven't read all of Colin's book because I've been very busy lately but I'm sure he told the truth, he had every right to tell his story as he saw it and he has always said it was part of the healing process for him. I agree with you about June and I do think she carried the can for others as well as herself.
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the only thing I do not understand ( which is mentioned in CAL book ) is that he said if he had realised the type of gun and the number of shots he would have been suspicious. ( so if it had been a shot gun he would not have been? ) But he did not seem to have a clue until Jeremy was arrested - but surely he knew the details of the shooting before then? Mind you the family seemed to keep him out of their suspicions , so perhaps it did just not register .
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that is strange becouse the type is not harder or more complicated to use than shotgun.
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that is strange becouse the type is not harder or more complicated to use than shotgun.
I would think a shot gun is heavier and has a kick but one shot can kill whereas the rifle was lighter and smaller but in some ways required more skill to kill a person, I mean one lucky shot with a shot gun is far more likely to kill than with a .22 rifle.
Did Colin know anything about guns? I would doubt it, shouldn't think he'd ever had anything to do with them.
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at that range its not hard to kill somone.
i doubt if colin knew that much but why would she was capable of using a shotgun but not a riffle had he seen her use one.
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at that range its not hard to kill somone.
i doubt if colin knew that much but why would she was capable of using a shotgun but not a riffle had he seen her use one.
He may have seen photos or she may have spoken about the shoots she'd been on in the past?
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well he certanly doesnt seem to go along with the relatives statements she was inacable of using the gun for some reason thinks she cant use the riffle.
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well he certanly doesnt seem to go along with the relatives statements she was inacable of using the gun for some reason thinks she cant use the riffle.
I have always believed that Sheila would have known how to use guns. She grew up with them in her home on a day to day basis m sure at some time she at least had a go, I cannot imagine she had never shot at targets with her father. :-\ On the other hand it's quite likely she had never used a .22 rifle.
The relatives did seem to have amnesia about any contact Sheila had with guns in the past.
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i would of thought it would of more likely been the other way around but colin seems pretty certan.
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i would of thought it would of more likely been the other way around but colin seems pretty certan.
They hadn't had the rifle for very long nugs.
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what he says is consitant with her fingerprint being on the shotgun.
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what he says is consitant with her fingerprint being on the shotgun.
Thats True but to be fair it doesn't really prove anything. Imo
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what i cant understand is if colin knows that the shotgun would be a more convicing likely weapon for shiela how come jeremy doesnt.
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what i cant understand is if colin knows that the shotgun would be a more convicing likely weapon for shiela how come jeremy doesnt.
He may have done but shotguns are very noisy for starters. Did he need quiet and stealth, three adults and two children would have been difficult to contain.
Would shotgun be heard in the cottages in the lane? He needed to get away as quietly as possible. :-\
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Sorry to be clear he did not mention a shotgun specifically - he just seemed to think she would not know how to handle that type of gun . However a shotgun would probably be the most common type of gun used in the farming set . She used to go on shoots as a beater so would have seen guns being used.
I have to say I am 50% through CAL book. There are a few occasions where I could say her bias is quite obvious. However for most of the book so far she has tried to use both views and the book is well written and it is good to see the quotes in a historical context of how the case unfolded.
I have learnt a few things that are interesting ( especially some comments between Colin and the family)
I have just come to the bit where Julie tells all - and I cant help it as soon as I read it I think her statement was arranged to fit the crime scene . IMO it is all very odd.
DB also said she was a good actress as she had the perfect opportunity to tell him everything as they were on their own collecting a fish supper one night - and she never said a word.
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he must of thought she could use a gun becouse he dident qustion her guilt untill more or less just before jeremy was arested.
if he thought she couldent he would of qustioned more in the first place.
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Sorry to be clear he did not mention a shotgun specifically - he just seemed to think she would not know how to handle that type of gun . However a shotgun would probably be the most common type of gun used in the farming set . She used to go on shoots as a beater so would have seen guns being used.
I have to say I am 50% through CAL book. There are a few occasions where I could say her bias is quite obvious. However for most of the book so far she has tried to use both views and the book is well written and it is good to see the quotes in a historical context of how the case unfolded.
I have learnt a few things that are interesting ( especially some comments between Colin and the family)
I have just come to the bit where Julie tells all - and I cant help it as soon as I read it I think her statement was arranged to fit the crime scene . IMO it is all very odd.
DB also said she was a good actress as she had the perfect opportunity to tell him everything as they were on their own collecting a fish supper one night - and she never said a word.
his words about the riffle suggest he thought she could use some sort of gun but not a riffle all though he does not actully say it he sort of implys it.
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his words about the riffle suggest he thought she could use some sort of gun but not a riffle all though he does not actully say it he sort of implys it.
I agree . Because otherwise he would have been like the relatives and expressed his doubts straight away.
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he certanly thought sheila was capable of murder.
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colin also thought the family were capable of fitting Jeremy up and mentioned that to their face .
Also a policeman is quoted as saying that RB told him that if the police did not get Jeremy that basically he would sort things out himself .
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i wonder that was suposed to mean.
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that he would get justice in his own way was the implication.
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hat he was going to shoot him or somthing like that.
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hat he was going to shoot him or somthing like that.
I will try and find the quote - but I must learn to bookmark on my kindle as its not as easy as folding the corner of a page (:
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i wonder that was suposed to mean.
It was a threat whichever way you look at it.
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It was a threat whichever way you look at it.
Yes it was because I genuinely think that they did think Jeremy was guilty - now whether that suited them and that strengthened their belief only they knew.
I am about 60% through the book and I would recommend it as a read . It does give a good timeline and is written in a way which so far you are given a fair chance to make up your own mind ( I don't think the author did herself any favours by her publicity in the papers)
I am a bit disappointed with a few aspects but so far I am glad I purchased it. I think we all know which bits to take with a pinch of salt .
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Yes it was because I genuinely think that they did think Jeremy was guilty - now whether that suited them and that strengthened their belief only they knew.
I am about 60% through the book and I would recommend it as a read . It does give a good timeline and is written in a way which so far you are given a fair chance to make up your own mind ( I don't think the author did herself any favours by her publicity in the papers)
I am a bit disappointed with a few aspects but so far I am glad I purchased it. I think we all know which bits to take with a pinch of salt .
I might just buy it if only to compare with what others have written.
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I might just buy it if only to compare with what others have written.
yes look out for a used copy. I will let you know how I get on with the rest of it.
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i think we can safely establish that colin probely is the most reliable witness.
though that desnt necasrly mean hes got everything right but unlike the other he has no other agenda.