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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Caroline on August 22, 2015, 08:15:PM
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Managed to blow up a picture of the kitchen magazine rack. Can't see how a phone could be hidden in this?
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Managed to blow up a picture of the kitchen magazine rack. Can't see how a phone could be hidden in this?
Caroline the only phone you could hide in that is a mobile ;D
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Caroline the only phone you could hide in that is a mobile ;D
Not in 1985 ;D
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Unless there is another magazine rack?
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Not in 1985 ;D
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Hahaha Roch I am in 2015 don't bother going back in time ;D
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Managed to blow up a picture of the kitchen magazine rack. Can't see how a phone could be hidden in this?
I thought it was a pile of magazines? Never really paid much attention this this aspect.
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I thought it was a pile of magazines? Never really paid much attention this this aspect.
I always thought there was a pile of magazines and papers on top of a small oven on a table and the phone had slipped down the back of the pile??
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I thought it was a pile of magazines? Never really paid much attention this this aspect.
Can someone refresh my memory, please. I too, had thought it had been hidden/slotted/secreted/sandwiched between a pile of magazines/newspapers. I can't see how it would "hide" in that rather decorative magazine rack. It takes "hiding in plain sight" to a new level.
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I always thought there was a pile of magazines and papers on top of a small oven on a table and the phone had slipped down the back of the pile??
Could be, but someone mentioned a magazine rack and that' the only one I can see in the kitchen.
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Maggie I always thought a pile of magazines was in the kitchen and the phone was found under them as if hidden sure I read that on here but that don't mean it is true ;D
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Annoyingly, there is no picture of the oven in the crime scene pictures - the only picture I can find of that end of the room, is the two buckets but it doesn't show the oven.
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Not a brilliant picture and you can't make out how big the gap is.
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My understanding of it was that the phone was found with magazines on top of it. But yeah, phone wouldn't be able to be hidden in that rack.
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Annoyingly, there is no picture of the oven in the crime scene pictures - the only picture I can find of that end of the room, is the two buckets but it doesn't show the oven.
Hey Caroline,speaking of buckets,a bright scholar on the red forum also said there were 3,as is what AE had first said,when they suddenly became 2. The question was-----------what was in the 3rd bucket ? If they'd been Sheila's clothes,where did they get to ? Unless Sheila had been haemorrhaging ( which I doubt ) where did all the blood come from ?
As for the phone,if it was the flattish blue last number redial one,it would slot into that rack no problem.
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Could it have been hidden behind the directories here: http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/telephones
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Could it have been hidden behind the directories here: http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/telephones
Plenty of room there too.
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Could it have been hidden behind the directories here: http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/telephones
I think that's where I originally believed it was found, Steve. The thinking was it may have slipped down the back of the mags or had been hidden amongst the papers. It may even have just been on the top of the oven and had been knocked behind it. ???
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Could it have been hidden behind the directories here: http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/telephones
Cheers Steve, much better picture. I've blown it up as far as I can without it being distorted.
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I think that's where I originally believed it was found, Steve. The thinking was it may have slipped down the back of the mags or had been hidden amongst the papers. It may even have just been on the top of the oven and had been knocked behind it. ???
It wasn't behind, Jean B said she found it 'in the middle of the pile'. She said the magazines had been there a long while. I find it hard to understand how the phone could end up in the middle of the pile if they had been there for quite sometime - without someone putting it there deliberately?
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It might just have been put there pro-tem until the family found another home for it seeing as they moved them around quite often,as JB never knew where each one would be from one week to another.
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It wasn't behind, Jean B said she found it 'in the middle of the pile'. She said the magazines had been there a long while. I find it hard to understand how the phone could end up in the middle of the pile if they had been there for quite sometime - without someone putting it there deliberately?
How would a phone get there period without someone putting it there intentionally?
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It wasn't behind, Jean B said she found it 'in the middle of the pile'. She said the magazines had been there a long while. I find it hard to understand how the phone could end up in the middle of the pile if they had been there for quite sometime - without someone putting it there deliberately?
If it was in the middle it may very well have been hidden in there that's true. No offence to any of them but that area of the house seemed to be very chaotic, who knows how the phone got where it was found?
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How would a phone get there period without someone putting it there intentionally?
Why was it necessary to go to the trouble of hiding phones and moving phones?
There was only one phone line at WHF so wouldn't it have been easier to just remove the handset from the phone on entering the house, or am I missing the point? Surely that would have stopped anyone phoning from the bedroom?
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How would a phone get there period without someone putting it there intentionally?
How, indeed? One answer -other that the one you suggest- is that the kitchen was a general chaos area and that any magazine/newspaper was kept for an indefinite period. The top of any pile may have been a convenient place to lodge something which would either be moved later or become buried. Certainly no one living there suffered with OCD.
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How, indeed? One answer -other that the one you suggest- is that the kitchen was a general chaos area and that any magazine/newspaper was kept for an indefinite period. The top of any pile may have been a convenient place to lodge something which would either be moved later or become buried. Certainly no one living there suffered with OCD.
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Why was it necessary to go to the trouble of hiding phones and moving phones?
There was only one phone line at WHF so wouldn't it have been easier to just remove the handset from the phone on entering the house? Surely that would have stopped anyone phoning from the bedroom?
I wonder if Sheila was sneaking it somewhere in order to phone Christine so that nobody would listen in to the conversation.
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Why was it necessary to go to the trouble of hiding phones and moving phones?
There was only one phone line at WHF so wouldn't it have been easier to just remove the handset from the phone on entering the house, or am I missing the point? Surely that would have stopped anyone phoning from the bedroom?
What if they heard him opening the window and used the phone to call police before he even had a chance to get inside to disable the phone? The result of that would be that police could come there and catch him in the act or catch him leaving. That would be catastrophic.
People used to cut phone lines before they broke into a house for a reason. With the dominance of cell phones criminals have it worse now and have to simply hope no one will call police before they can reach the victim.
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I wonder if Sheila was sneaking it somewhere in order to phone Christine so that nobody would listen in to the conversation.
Yes. I imagine conversation would be really clear from an unplugged phone.Perhaps she thought if the phone wasn't plugged in, the call wouldn't be recorded and June and Neville wouldn't know she'd made the call.
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Yes. I imagine conversation would be really clear from an unplugged phone.Perhaps she thought if the phone wasn't plugged in, the call wouldn't be recorded and June and Neville wouldn't know she'd made the call.
D'oh,it would have depended where the points were in which to plug the phone in ::) Did you know where they were situated ?
I would have imagined that Sheila wanted to have a conversation free from being interrupted or cut-off whether she was phoning Christine or any of her friends,as well as not disturbing anyone in the household. Besides it being an easier one to dial and use.
Why would Sheila have been bothered about it having been " recorded ?". The only time you could ring Canada in peace is when it's our night-time anyway 5 to 8 hours behind us depending which state. The children and June were in bed.Neville would have been walking the dogs and Sheila probably couldn't sleep.
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D'oh,it would have depended where the points were in which to plug the phone in ::) Did you know where they were situated ?
I would have imagined that Sheila wanted to have a conversation free from being interrupted or cut-off whether she was phoning Christine or any of her friends,as well as not disturbing anyone in the household. Besides it being an easier one to dial and use.
Why would Sheila have been bothered about it having been " recorded ?". The only time you could ring Canada in peace is when it's our night-time anyway 5 to 8 hours behind us depending which state. The children and June were in bed.Neville would have been walking the dogs and Sheila probably couldn't sleep.
I think the whole conversation is hypothetical, about what you seem to think was Sheila's relationship with Christine. It's HIGHLY unlikely, given that Christine's family knew nothing of Sheila's existence, that she'd even have Christine's phone number. I think you're desperately trying to expand their relationship into something it never was.
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I wonder if Sheila was sneaking it somewhere in order to phone Christine so that nobody would listen in to the conversation.
You seem to be suggesting she unplugged the phone, wrapped the cord around it and was planning to take it to another room but heard someone coming so hid it. Why would she need to hide it? All she would need to do is say I am taking it for my room and will bring it back when I am done.
In any event there was no phone jack in her room, there were 3 phone jacks in the house- in kitchen (where that phone was), in the master bedroom and in the upstairs office. All 3 had phones attached until the kitchen phone was hidden and the bedroom phone moved to replace it.
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What if they heard him opening the window and used the phone to call police before he even had a chance to get inside to disable the phone? The result of that would be that police could come there and catch him in the act or catch him leaving. That would be catastrophic.
People used to cut phone lines before they broke into a house for a reason. With the dominance of cell phones criminals have it worse now and have to simply hope no one will call police before they can reach the victim.
OK that's a possibility but he could never have known if everyone was asleep anyway before he climbed through that window. There were so many other risks as well, such as barking dogs , Neville for some reason changing his routine ........ I just dont believe he climbed through that window.
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I think the whole conversation is hypothetical, about what you seem to think was Sheila's relationship with Christine. It's HIGHLY unlikely, given that Christine's family knew nothing of Sheila's existence, that she'd even have Christine's phone number. I think you're desperately trying to expand their relationship into something it never was.
I don't think Sheila would be in such close contact with Christine although no one knows for certain. Chances are the phone was dumped there at some time and buried under an ever growing pile of magazines and papers.
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OK that's a possibility but he could never have known if everyone was asleep anyway before he climbed through that window. There were so many other risks as well, such as barking dogs , Neville for some reason changing his routine ........ I just dont believe he climbed through that window.
He waited till late figuring they would be asleep. Precisely because he removed the phone even if they heard him all they could do would be to walk downstairs and be shot upon encountering him, they would not be able to call police before he could kill them. He removed the scope and loaded the gun in advance. He probably hid it in the bathroom or even somewhere outside the house so he could carry it with him through the window so he had instant access. He didn't enter then go seek it from the closet and load it and remove the scope.
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He waited till late figuring they would be asleep. Precisely because he removed the phone even if they heard him all they could do would be to walk downstairs and be shot upon encountering him, they would not be able to call police before he could kill them. He removed the scope and loaded the gun in advance. He probably hid it in the bathroom or even somewhere outside the house so he could carry it with him through the window so he had instant access. He didn't enter then go seek it from the closet and load it and remove the scope.
Climbing through Windows into the unknown is a huge risk, he could guess all he liked but wouldn't know everyone was asleep. The outside dog would surely have barked, that's the point of them being outside isn't it? Moving the bedroom phone is not that easy without someone seeing him. They may have moved it back when they went to bed. :-\
Of course, it's almost certain he would have prepared the gun before if he had planned to murder that night, that is obvious.
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Climbing through Windows into the unknown is a huge risk, he could guess all he liked but wouldn't know everyone was asleep. The outside dog would surely have barked, that's the point of them being outside isn't it? Moving the bedroom phone is not that easy without someone seeing him. They may have moved it back when they went to bed. :-\
Of course, it's almost certain he would have prepared the gun before if he had planned to murder that night, that is obvious.
It was a risk he was prepared to take. For well over £436,000p.
CAL's book said he would have avoided the outside dog.
The window was already prepared. Either loosened by the found hacksaw days beforehand. Or opened at the last supper.
The telephone engineer said the bedroom phone was in the kitchen just before the massacre. If it wasn't there on the night, all Bamber had to do was take the kitchen phone off the hook. Which disabled all phones.
He was prepared to bet that everyone would be in bed. Asleep. They were.
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How would a phone get there period without someone putting it there intentionally?
Could have been the children, or hidden from the children.
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OK that's a possibility but he could never have known if everyone was asleep anyway before he climbed through that window. There were so many other risks as well, such as barking dogs , Neville for some reason changing his routine ........ I just dont believe he climbed through that window.
The window was downstairs in a big house.
If everyone was upstairs, asleep with their bedroom doors shut, and the bathroom door was also shut, I see no reason why anyone should wake. In fact if anyone was even awake as Bamber approached the window, I doubt they would hear anything.
It was a big house and the window had been prepared by Jeremy to ensure a quiet entrance on the night.
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The window was downstairs in a big house.
If everyone was upstairs, asleep with their bedroom doors shut, and the bathroom door was also shut, I see no reason why anyone should wake. In fact if anyone was even awake as Bamber approached the window, I doubt they would hear anything.
It was a big house and the window had been prepared by Jeremy to ensure a quiet entrance on the night.
Your post is just your assumptions and opinions.
I know it was a big house!!!!!!
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Climbing through Windows into the unknown is a huge risk, he could guess all he liked but wouldn't know everyone was asleep. The outside dog would surely have barked, that's the point of them being outside isn't it? Moving the bedroom phone is not that easy without someone seeing him. They may have moved it back when they went to bed. :-\
Of course, it's almost certain he would have prepared the gun before if he had planned to murder that night, that is obvious.
Committing murder is inherently risky. The things he did were to minimize the risks. 1) He planned to kill them overnight because: A) it would be the easiest time to control them because they most likely would be asleep; B) it would be unlikely anyone else would be there/would drop by during the commission; C) the least likely time anyone would see him travel to and from. He did several things beyond just planning in anticipation of committing the murders. In legal parlance this is known as acts in furtherance of his plans. 1) He took June's bike to his house to use. He told Julie he planned to use a bike to further minimize the chances of anyone seeing or hearing him go to and from. Whether he followed through or not with that plan only he knows. 2) He removed the scope to make it easier to target them the scope would have been in his way and made it more difficult to fire accurately at them at close range. 3) He removed the phone from the bedroom so that even if his parents did hear him enter they would not be able to call the police before he was able to kill them. He did this either that weekend or Monday shortly before the cordless phone was picked up by Pike.
Placing it in the magazine rack tends to suggest someone was coming after he replaced it with the bedroom phone and he had to rush before someone entered and would ask him anything. He likely knew that people rarely looked at the magazines and that it would be highly unlikely anyone would find it before he killed them. He wasn't sure what day he was going to kill them. He just knew it was going to be overnight while Sheila and the boys were there. He either chickened out Monday night or he still wasn't mentally prepared and Tuesday after fighting with his father and being pissed off at work generally got him to the point where he was able to carry it out.
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Committing murder is inherently risky. The things he did were to minimize the risks. 1) He planned to kill them overnight because: A) it would be the easiest time to control them because they most likely would be asleep; B) it would be unlikely anyone else would be there/would drop by during the commission; C) the least likely time anyone would see him travel to and from. He did several things beyond just planning in anticipation of committing the murders. In legal parlance this is known as acts in furtherance of his plans. 1) He took June's bike to his house to use. He told Julie he planned to use a bike to further minimize the chances of anyone seeing or hearing him go to and from. Whether he followed through or not with that plan only he knows. 2) He removed the scope to make it easier to target them the scope would have been in his way and made it more difficult to fire accurately at them at close range. 3) He removed the phone from the bedroom so that even if his parents did hear him enter they would not be able to call the police before he was able to kill them. He did this either that weekend or Monday shortly before the cordless phone was picked up by Pike.
Placing it in the magazine rack tends to suggest someone was coming after he replaced it with the bedroom phone and he had to rush before someone entered and would ask him anything. He likely knew that people rarely looked at the magazines and that it would be highly unlikely anyone would find it before he killed them. He wasn't sure what day he was going to kill them. He just knew it was going to be overnight while Sheila and the boys were there. He either chickened out Monday night or he still wasn't mentally prepared and Tuesday after fighting with his father and being pissed off at work generally got him to the point where he was able to carry it out.
Strange that Nevill did not feel the need of the telephone lifeline in the bedroom after all the misgivings expressed to Farm Secretary Barbara Wilson. Strange that Jeremy telephoned Julie before the murders to steel himself,strange that he mentioned a bicycle as a means of transport when it was really superfluous to the event,strange that nobody saw him in the locality and strange that he would hide a blood-stained silencer and telephone where there was a good probability that they would be found..
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Strange that Nevill did not feel the need of the telephone lifeline in the bedroom after all the misgivings expressed to Farm Secretary Barbara Wilson. Strange that Jeremy telephoned Julie before the murders to steel himself,strange that he mentioned a bicycle as a means of transport when it was really superfluous to the event,strange that nobody saw him in the locality and strange that he would hide a blood-stained silencer and telephone where there was a good probability that they would be found..
I don't think Jeremy phoned Julie before the murders - he may have called her before the police because he was a bit of a wimp and could not decide what to do.
This was supposed to be the most clever planned murder - so to me the most strange thing is that he would tell Julie. I just have this nagging feeling that the police actually contacted her to try and get information. And I know there is no evidence - but something does not add up.
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Strange that Nevill did not feel the need of the telephone lifeline in the bedroom after all the misgivings expressed to Farm Secretary Barbara Wilson. Strange that Jeremy telephoned Julie before the murders to steel himself,strange that he mentioned a bicycle as a means of transport when it was really superfluous to the event,strange that nobody saw him in the locality and strange that he would hide a blood-stained silencer and telephone where there was a good probability that they would be found..
Because Nevill was generally untrusting of Jeremy and said not to turn hims back he should have checked each night to make sure the phone was by his bedside in case Jeremy snuck in to kill him?
Jeremy phoned Julie often at night. He was pissed off and told her so and told her it was the night which confirms he told her in the past about his plans. He called her hours later to tell her he was done before he even called police. That is what should make one wonder. He should not have called her at all but couldn't contain his excitement he needed to share and he wanted her to say he was upset from receiving a call from Nevill that he never received. Depending upon what he actually told her this is where she could have committed obstruction. She says he told her he received a call but one has to still wonder whether he said that or told her to say he told her he received a call.
He told Julie about his plan for months and thus obviously trusted her. He thus told her several details including his plan to use a bike because it would be more silent and that way no one could notice his car missing. This was a plan integral to the murders not some superfluous thing it was part of his planning.
Why is it strange that no one saw him leave and return home in the middle of the night while they were asleep? Who was out and about to see him?
Why is it strange that for 2-3 days no one looked through the magazine rack before the murders? When you are done with magazines you stick them in the rack and they sit there till it gets too full to fit anymore then you clean it out and fill it up again.
Throwing the moderator away would be extremely suspicious. Putting it away and lying saying it was not attached the weapon when he left it out was sufficient to keep police from looking for it.
It amazing you recognize Jeremy is guilty, your posts always seem so backwards which makes it all the more apparent why the propaganda from Bain fools you so easily.
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Because Nevill was generally untrusting of Jeremy and said not to turn hims back he should have checked each night to make sure the phone was by his bedside in case Jeremy snuck in to kill him?
Jeremy phoned Julie often at night. He was pissed off and told her so and told her it was the night which confirms he told her in the past about his plans. He called her hours later to tell her he was done before he even called police. That is what should make one wonder. He should not have called her at all but couldn't contain his excitement he needed to share and he wanted her to say he was upset from receiving a call from Nevill that he never received. Depending upon what he actually told her this is where she could have committed obstruction. She says he told her he received a call but one has to still wonder whether he said that or told her to say he told her he received a call.
He told Julie about his plan for months and thus obviously trusted her. He thus told her several details including his plan to use a bike because it would be more silent and that way no one could notice his car missing. This was a plan integral to the murders not some superfluous thing it was part of his planning.
Why is it strange that no one saw him leave and return home in the middle of the night while they were asleep? Who was out and about to see him?
Why is it strange that for 2-3 days no one looked through the magazine rack before the murders? When you are done with magazines you stick them in the rack and they sit there till it gets too full to fit anymore then you clean it out and fill it up again.
Throwing the moderator away would be extremely suspicious. Putting it away and lying saying it was not attached the weapon when he left it out was sufficient to keep police from looking for it.
It amazing you recognize Jeremy is guilty, your posts always seem so backwards which makes it all the more apparent why the propaganda from Bain fools you so easily.
that is not all exactly true because Julie said in her news of the world interview he never admitted his guilt . So your post does not give the full picture.
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I don't think Jeremy phoned Julie before the murders - he may have called her before the police because he was a bit of a wimp and could not decide what to do.
This was supposed to be the most clever planned murder - so to me the most strange thing is that he would tell Julie. I just have this nagging feeling that the police actually contacted her to try and get information. And I know there is no evidence - but something does not add up.
I think Steve means the 10:00pm(ish) call?
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I think Steve means the 10:00pm(ish) call?
oh right -well if she was telling the truth in her first statement it was nothing to do with the murders
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I don't think Jeremy phoned Julie before the murders - he may have called her before the police because he was a bit of a wimp and could not decide what to do.
This was supposed to be the most clever planned murder - so to me the most strange thing is that he would tell Julie. I just have this nagging feeling that the police actually contacted her to try and get information. And I know there is no evidence - but something does not add up.
Your judgement is skewed and way off. You are so biased you even ignore the solid evidence that Jeremy called before the murders.
Julie's roomates confirm he called and more importantly so does Jeremy. The fact Jeremy called her is proof that he went home and didn't simply stay there.
He called her prior to the murders, right after the murders and then again around 6AM to tell her not to go to work because he needed her to speak to police to help substantiate he was worried about his family because he received a call from Nevill.
Jeremy figured she loved him and would not rat him out. Thus he told her how he wanted to kill them and kept her appraised of some of the actual details. He even thought she wanted to help him by giving him sleeping pills. He was right about her not ratting him out at first but when police came to her because a friend told them what she said then she was stuck between telling them the truth or risking obstruction charges.
Police did have evidence the case could have been made without her testimony.
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oh right -well if she was telling the truth in her first statement it was nothing to do with the murders
Her first statement only told part of the story she omitted a great deal.
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Because Nevill was generally untrusting of Jeremy and said not to turn hims back he should have checked each night to make sure the phone was by his bedside in case Jeremy snuck in to kill him?
Jeremy phoned Julie often at night. He was pissed off and told her so and told her it was the night which confirms he told her in the past about his plans. He called her hours later to tell her he was done before he even called police. That is what should make one wonder. He should not have called her at all but couldn't contain his excitement he needed to share and he wanted her to say he was upset from receiving a call from Nevill that he never received. Depending upon what he actually told her this is where she could have committed obstruction. She says he told her he received a call but one has to still wonder whether he said that or told her to say he told her he received a call.
He told Julie about his plan for months and thus obviously trusted her. He thus told her several details including his plan to use a bike because it would be more silent and that way no one could notice his car missing. This was a plan integral to the murders not some superfluous thing it was part of his planning.
Why is it strange that no one saw him leave and return home in the middle of the night while they were asleep? Who was out and about to see him?
Why is it strange that for 2-3 days no one looked through the magazine rack before the murders? When you are done with magazines you stick them in the rack and they sit there till it gets too full to fit anymore then you clean it out and fill it up again.
Throwing the moderator away would be extremely suspicious. Putting it away and lying saying it was not attached the weapon when he left it out was sufficient to keep police from looking for it.
It amazing you recognize Jeremy is guilty, your posts always seem so backwards which makes it all the more apparent why the propaganda from Bain fools you so easily.
The bicycle was not integral to the murders. Jeremy could easily have walked the journey. This month I have been watching 48 Hours Mystery,In Cold Blood,Medical Detectives,Sins and Secrets and a few other of your trashy American shows and often Police try to get a suspect to return to the scene of the crime,which makes me suspect Ann Eaton received some advice from Stan Jones or others to entice Jeremy back to the Farm post-event. As for the silencer evidence,which is dodgy at best,if it had made a mark on Sheila's neck Jeremy would have left it in situ,and if no mark present just buried it in one of the fields on his tramp home.
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The bicycle was not integral to the murders. Jeremy could easily have walked the journey. This month I have been watching 48 Hours Mystery,In Cold Blood,Medical Detectives,Sins and Secrets and a few other of your trashy American shows and often Police try to get a suspect to return to the scene of the crime,which makes me suspect Ann Eaton received some advice from Stan Jones or others to entice Jeremy back to the Farm post-event. As for the silencer evidence,which is dodgy at best,if it had made a mark on Sheila's neck Jeremy would have left it in situ,and if no mark present just buried it in one of the fields on his tramp home.
I agree, I think he probably walked. I see you're a lot more sceptical these days Steve?
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I agree, I think he probably walked. I see you're a lot more sceptical these days Steve?
I have observed a little more of human nature this past year or so outside the artificial school setting especially people's greed for money,and though I do believe Jeremy to be the primary instigator and worthy of the most blame it's become apparent that others in this drama may have had their motives when this crime should have been stopped at source.
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Your judgement is skewed and way off. You are so biased you even ignore the solid evidence that Jeremy called before the murders.
Julie's roomates confirm he called and more importantly so does Jeremy. The fact Jeremy called her is proof that he went home and didn't simply stay there.
He called her prior to the murders, right after the murders and then again around 6AM to tell her not to go to work because he needed her to speak to police to help substantiate he was worried about his family because he received a call from Nevill.
Jeremy figured she loved him and would not rat him out. Thus he told her how he wanted to kill them and kept her appraised of some of the actual details. He even thought she wanted to help him by giving him sleeping pills. He was right about her not ratting him out at first but when police came to her because a friend told them what she said then she was stuck between telling them the truth or risking obstruction charges.
Police did have evidence the case could have been made without her testimony.
I just reposted - I thought he meant the second call. So take that back .
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The bicycle was not integral to the murders. Jeremy could easily have walked the journey. This month I have been watching 48 Hours Mystery,In Cold Blood,Medical Detectives,Sins and Secrets and a few other of your trashy American shows and often Police try to get a suspect to return to the scene of the crime,which makes me suspect Ann Eaton received some advice from Stan Jones or others to entice Jeremy back to the Farm post-event. As for the silencer evidence,which is dodgy at best,if it had made a mark on Sheila's neck Jeremy would have left it in situ,and if no mark present just buried it in one of the fields on his tramp home.
Walking would have taken a lot longer. Aside from that being a hassle the longer he took the longer they would be dead before he called police and the greater the chance of police being able to prove they were dead before he claims Nevill phoned him. He thus decided the bike offered the best mix of speed and silence during his planning. WHether he got lazy and decided to drive or decided to follow through with the bike only he knows.
The police would have been highly suspicious if the moderator were missing. He claimed it wasn't on the gun and put it away and as he hoped that was sufficient to get them to think it was not used.
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Walking would have taken a lot longer. Aside from that being a hassle the longer he took the longer they would be dead before he called police and the greater the chance of police being able to prove they were dead before he claims Nevill phoned him. He thus decided the bike offered the best mix of speed and silence during his planning. WHether he got lazy and decided to drive or decided to follow through with the bike only he knows.
The police would have been highly suspicious if the moderator were missing. He claimed it wasn't on the gun and put it away and as he hoped that was sufficient to get them to think it was not used.
Why would the Police be looking for a sound moderator? And where were the cycle tracks if he had traversed fields?
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I have observed a little more of human nature this past year or so outside the artificial school setting especially people's greed for money,and though I do believe Jeremy to be the primary instigator and worthy of the most blame it's become apparent that others in this drama may have had their motives when this crime should have been stopped at source.
I agree!
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that is not all exactly true because Julie said in her news of the world interview he never admitted his guilt . So your post does not give the full picture.
Julie said he told her about his plans to kill them and blame Sheila but after the murders claimed to her that he didn't do it himself but instead had hired a hitman.
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Julie said he told her about his plans to kill them and blame Sheila but after the murders claimed to her that he didn't do it himself but instead had hired a hitman.
So he NEVER admitted to her he had done it . But she knew on the night of the murder he had done it.
so she could have been questioning him ( at the request of EP) and he made the hitman thing up because he thought she was stupid.
BTW anyone know when he had time to sleep with Liz rimmington?
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So he NEVER admitted to her he had done it . But she knew on the night of the murder he had done it.
so she could have been questioning him ( at the request of EP) and he made the hitman thing up because he thought she was stupid.
BTW anyone know when he had time to sleep with Liz rimmington?
He needn't necessarily have slept with her. It may have been a quickie ;)
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He needn't necessarily have slept with her. It may have been a quickie ;)
There are quite a few responses to that Jane, I am resisting the temptation ;D ;D
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So he NEVER admitted to her he had done it . But she knew on the night of the murder he had done it.
so she could have been questioning him ( at the request of EP) and he made the hitman thing up because he thought she was stupid.
BTW anyone know when he had time to sleep with Liz rimmington?
He told her he planned to kill them but then afterwards told he he hired a hitman. That amounts to an admission he was responsible and he told her details only the killer would know but claimed they were fed from the hitman.
You are just as culpable legally whether you pull the trigger or hire someone to do it but some consider it less cold blooded to hire someone. He wanted her to think he was not as horrible plus it provided the fake threat of her having to fear a hitman if she blabbed.