Jeremy Bamber Forum

JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: mertol22 on August 06, 2015, 10:46:PM

Title: Judgement Night
Post by: mertol22 on August 06, 2015, 10:46:PM
Topic title taken from a episode of the  Twilight  Zone in black and white,  I wonder right now Jeremy  will now be in a room/ cell  and in a few hours time may yet again recall  the events of the early hours of the 7th August  1985, im sure  and someone in Canada  is possibly  one  is lying  it really is that simple.
Title: Re: Judgement Night
Post by: scipio_usmc on August 06, 2015, 11:03:PM
Topic title taken from a episode of the  Twilight  Zone in black and white,  I wonder right now Jeremy  will now be in a room/ cell  and in a few hours time may yet again recall  the events of the early hours of the 7th August  1985, im sure  and someone in Canada  is possibly  one  is lying  it really is that simple.

He would need a conscience to be thinking about it or have some mental joy like those killers who love to relive it. hose who love to relive it typically are sadists not people who kill simply to achieve something such as to get money. I doubt the date means much to him.

The press and others make more of a big deal about the anniversary of the Normandy landings than those who took part.  The majority who took part would not think much of it when June 6 came each year.  It was those who highlighted it who would remind them.

 

Title: Re: Judgement Night
Post by: nugnug on August 07, 2015, 02:33:PM
what is this threa about.
Title: Re: Judgement Night
Post by: Jan on August 07, 2015, 06:26:PM
He would need a conscience to be thinking about it or have some mental joy like those killers who love to relive it. hose who love to relive it typically are sadists not people who kill simply to achieve something such as to get money. I doubt the date means much to him.

The press and others make more of a big deal about the anniversary of the Normandy landings than those who took part.  The majority who took part would not think much of it when June 6 came each year.  It was those who highlighted it who would remind them.

So now you speak for all those who took part in the Normandy Landings as well . There are no limits to your knowledge  or ego
Title: Re: Judgement Night
Post by: Caroline on August 07, 2015, 08:45:PM
He would need a conscience to be thinking about it or have some mental joy like those killers who love to relive it. hose who love to relive it typically are sadists not people who kill simply to achieve something such as to get money. I doubt the date means much to him.

The press and others make more of a big deal about the anniversary of the Normandy landings than those who took part.  The majority who took part would not think much of it when June 6 came each year.  It was those who highlighted it who would remind them.

I am sure it's a date none of those people could forget - even if they wanted to. Perhaps not the best analogy you could have come up with.  :-\
Title: Re: Judgement Night
Post by: David1819 on August 07, 2015, 08:56:PM
I really believe that if Jeremy is guilty he actually believes he is innocent. The subconscious mind is capable of supressing memory and installing false memory.

It would explain how he is so motivated to prove his innocence, good at convincing people he is innocent, passing the lie detector ect. Guilty or Innocent he may well be thinking the exact same thing.
Title: Re: Judgement Night
Post by: Jan on August 07, 2015, 09:29:PM
I really believe that if Jeremy is guilty he actually believes he is innocent. The subconscious mind is capable of supressing memory and installing false memory.

It would explain how he is so motivated to prove his innocence, good at convincing people he is innocent, passing the lie detector ect. Guilty or Innocent he may well be thinking the exact same thing.

I agree with you on that one. He could have just given up and faded into the background and no-one would have noticed.
Title: Re: Judgement Night
Post by: Caroline on August 07, 2015, 09:48:PM
I really believe that if Jeremy is guilty he actually believes he is innocent. The subconscious mind is capable of supressing memory and installing false memory.

It would explain how he is so motivated to prove his innocence, good at convincing people he is innocent, passing the lie detector ect. Guilty or Innocent he may well be thinking the exact same thing.

I don't, I think he knows he is guilty.

Title: Re: Judgement Night
Post by: David1819 on August 07, 2015, 10:24:PM
I don't, I think he knows he is guilty.

We can only speculate. But he passed a sophisticated lie detector test, the only way a guilty person could pass is if they are not consciously aware that they are lying.

The lie detector he took was far more advanced than the one Ted Bundy passed.


Title: Re: Judgement Night
Post by: Caroline on August 07, 2015, 10:31:PM
We can only speculate. But he passed a sophisticated lie detector test, the only way a guilty person could pass is if they are not consciously aware that they are lying.

The lie detector he took was far more advanced than the one Ted Bundy passed.

It's not a lie detector though is it? It's a polygraph and it just measures stress levels. The guy is bound to sing the praises of it - it's his acreer and not in his interest to say 'it's NOT infallible'
Title: Re: Judgement Night
Post by: scipio_usmc on August 07, 2015, 11:07:PM
We can only speculate. But he passed a sophisticated lie detector test, the only way a guilty person could pass is if they are not consciously aware that they are lying.

The lie detector he took was far more advanced than the one Ted Bundy passed.

That doesn't mean people can only pass if they convince themselves they are not lying. It measure anxiety and fear.  It only works on people who are nervous. Liars confident in their ability to stay cool have no problem beating the test and people who are nervous fail even when they tell the truth.  That is why it is not admissible in court. 
Title: Re: Judgement Night
Post by: David1819 on August 07, 2015, 11:48:PM
It's not a lie detector though is it? It's a polygraph and it just measures stress levels. The guy is bound to sing the praises of it - it's his acreer and not in his interest to say 'it's NOT infallible'

Besides the polygraph you need consider he has been protesting innocence for 30 years plus he has many supporters telling him how innocent he is and 'poor Jeremy' ect it would be a reality to him now.

Any memories he may have of killing his family his ego could deceive his rational mind into thinking its a just him imagining the prosecution version of events that they thought up.

Its known in the medical profession as Dissociative amnesia

http://www.minddisorders.com/Del-Fi/Dissociative-amnesia.html (http://www.minddisorders.com/Del-Fi/Dissociative-amnesia.html)



Title: Re: Judgement Night
Post by: Jan on August 08, 2015, 09:52:AM
That doesn't mean people can only pass if they convince themselves they are not lying. It measure anxiety and fear.  It only works on people who are nervous. Liars confident in their ability to stay cool have no problem beating the test and people who are nervous fail even when they tell the truth.  That is why it is not admissible in court.

Crikey I would have thought a lot more people on Jeremy Kyle would have passed then - they only have paternity at stake not their whole freedom.
Title: Re: Judgement Night
Post by: lookout on August 08, 2015, 10:09:AM
I don't, I think he knows he is guilty.






That's because he knows himself that he's innocent.
Title: Re: Judgement Night
Post by: Caroline on August 08, 2015, 12:03:PM





That's because he knows himself that he's innocent.

Guilty!
Title: Re: Judgement Night
Post by: lookout on August 08, 2015, 12:22:PM
Guilty!






Guilty of being made an example of.
Title: Re: Judgement Night
Post by: Steve_uk on August 08, 2015, 08:52:PM
One of those anniversaries everyone involved is glad has passed,as we recollect those cataclysmic events with a shudder and look round just a little more guardedly every time we hear footsteps behind..
Title: Re: Judgement Night
Post by: Caroline on August 08, 2015, 09:04:PM





Guilty of being made an example of.

Guilty AND made an example of.
Title: Re: Judgement Night
Post by: mertol22 on August 08, 2015, 10:02:PM
Jail  to me in time will destroy the will to live in that sense this is worse than the death penalty indeed the death penalty seems a sane act, unless anyone knows something I don't  Jeremy Bamber is the only prisoner in the UK still pleading innocence that is the question this week  I feel has not changed his stance.
Title: Re: Judgement Night
Post by: Steve_uk on August 08, 2015, 10:05:PM
Jail  to me in time will destroy the will to live in that sense this is worse than the death penalty indeed the death penalty seems a sane act, unless anyone knows something I don't  Jeremy Bamber is the only prisoner in the UK still pleading innocence that is the question this week  I feel has not changed his stance.
Maybe if the prisoner himself demands it his wish should be fulfilled like the Gary Gilmore case.
Title: Re: Judgement Night
Post by: Jane on August 08, 2015, 10:07:PM
Maybe if the prisoner himself demands it his wish should be fulfilled like the Gary Gilmore case.



Presumably it would have to be something along the lines of the Dignitas format.
Title: Re: Judgement Night
Post by: Caroline on August 08, 2015, 10:31:PM


Presumably it would have to be something along the lines of the Dignitas format.

Actually, a couple of weeks worth of Emmerdale recoding would be enough but maybe that's too cruel?  :-\ ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Judgement Night
Post by: Jane on August 08, 2015, 10:34:PM
Actually, a couple of weeks worth of Emmerdale recoding would be enough but maybe that's too cruel?  :-\ ;D ;D ;D



Awwww Caroline, that's really prolonging things ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Judgement Night
Post by: Caroline on August 08, 2015, 10:38:PM


Awwww Caroline, that's really prolonging things ;D ;D ;D

I watched it last night and it was all I could do to stop myself jumping out of the window! It's torture I tell you!!  :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Judgement Night
Post by: David1819 on August 08, 2015, 10:42:PM
Jail  to me in time will destroy the will to live in that sense this is worse than the death penalty indeed the death penalty seems a sane act, unless anyone knows something I don't  Jeremy Bamber is the only prisoner in the UK still pleading innocence that is the question this week  I feel has not changed his stance.

No. Many prisoners protests innocence even if the evidence is so overwhelming its a joke to protest innocence.

John Cannan still claims he is innocent of everything even though its obvious its him that killed Shirley Banks and Suzy Lamplugh
Title: Re: Judgement Night
Post by: Jan on August 08, 2015, 11:44:PM
No. Many prisoners protests innocence even if the evidence is so overwhelming its a joke to protest innocence.

John Cannan still claims he is innocent of everything even though its obvious its him that killed Shirley Banks and Suzy Lamplugh

careful a certain poster might be along to post his take on why you are wrong.
Title: Re: Judgement Night
Post by: lookout on August 09, 2015, 10:28:AM
I watched it last night and it was all I could do to stop myself jumping out of the window! It's torture I tell you!!  :o :o :o :o






I stopped watching Emmerdale and Corrie last Christmas.