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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: clifford on April 21, 2011, 06:39:PM
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Who at the end of the day went away happy
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Who at the end of the day went away happy
Gained the most from what? The deaths or the conviction of Jeremy?
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well bamber would of gained if he hadent been sent down for murder.
the cousin who found the silencer gained i believe
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well bamber would of gained if he hadent been sent down for murder.
the cousin who found the silencer gained i believe
Yes. Jeremy would have gained if he had not been convicted.
Several of the relatives gained from Jeremy's conviction, but the question is - did they know they would gain from that? It seems that Robert Boutflour was pretty sure they would, but at what point did he know that? Before or after the silencer evidence was found or after?
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Who at the end of the day went away happy
Gained the most from what? The deaths or the conviction of Jeremy?
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well bamber would of gained if he hadent been sent down for murder.
the cousin who found the silencer gained i believe
Yes. Jeremy would have gained if he had not been convicted.
Several of the relatives gained from Jeremy's conviction, but the question is - did they know they would gain from that? It seems that Robert Boutflour was pretty sure they would, but at what point did he know that? Before or after the silencer evidence was found or after?
Why do you insist on accusing Robert Boutflour of benefiting on the back of Jeremy's conviction when he ultimately brought it upon himself?
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well bamber would of gained if he hadent been sent down for murder.
the cousin who found the silencer gained i believe
Yes. Jeremy would have gained if he had not been convicted.
Several of the relatives gained from Jeremy's conviction, but the question is - did they know they would gain from that? It seems that Robert Boutflour was pretty sure they would, but at what point did he know that? Before or after the silencer evidence was found or after?
Why do you insist on accusing Robert Boutflour of benefiting on the back of Jeremy's conviction when he ultimately brought it upon himself?
The question was - who gained the most. The relatives benefitted from the conviction of Jeremy Bamber. Do you disagree with that?
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well bamber would of gained if he hadent been sent down for murder.
the cousin who found the silencer gained i believe
Yes. Jeremy would have gained if he had not been convicted.
Several of the relatives gained from Jeremy's conviction, but the question is - did they know they would gain from that? It seems that Robert Boutflour was pretty sure they would, but at what point did he know that? Before or after the silencer evidence was found or after?
Why do you insist on accusing Robert Boutflour of benefiting on the back of Jeremy's conviction when he ultimately brought it upon himself?
Why shouldn't the relatives have benefited from the conviction, it is testamentary law after all.
Jackie was making the very same comments earlier today and insinuating that the relatives were in some way not entitled to the property they ultimately inherited.
I think you should be looking to Jeremy Bamber for the reasons why Robert Boutflour and others came off best.
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Sandy, my point is that the Boutflours were in a win win situation..
I am NOT suggesting that they fabricated anything, but they did come out of it smelling of roses.
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Sandy, my point is that the Boutflours were in a win win situation..
I am NOT suggesting that they fabricated anything, but they did come out of it smelling of roses.
Sorry Cliff, I may have misunderstood your comment. The Eaton's and the Boutflour's were in a win win situation as you put it but through no fault of their own. Others have suggested that their evidence was tainted since they stood to gain substantially. I think the authorities would have been well aware of that when taking their evidence into consideration.
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I think the Boutflours could do right for doing wrong in some people's eyes. What were they supposed to do, give the farm to the State?
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I think the Boutflours could do right for doing wrong in some people's eyes. What were they supposed to do, give the farm to the State?
Heaven forbid that. I am only saying that they had an awful lot to lose if JB decided to sell up.
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I don't understand what you mean by sell up Cliff. Jeremy was never in a position to sell anything as far as I understand.
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I don't understand what you mean by sell up Cliff. Jeremy was never in a position to sell anything as far as I understand.
What I was implying that if JB had got the inheritence he may have sold up, which would have left the Boutflours out on a limb.I wont go further than that as I think it has been done to death. Respectfully no pun intended.
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Sandy as you seem to wealth of knowledge about the family and wills etc would you say at the same time as the murders the family were having financial problems
Would you agree the argument between Neville and Peter was over a land deal wasn't it
Would you also agree it was a huge coincidence that the silencer was found in a cupboard already searched by the police by the family at the same time they had financial problems
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I don't understand what you mean by sell up Cliff. Jeremy was never in a position to sell anything as far as I understand.
What I was implying that if JB had got the inheritence he may have sold up, which would have left the Boutflours out on a limb.I wont go further than that as I think it has been done to death. Respectfully no pun intended.
They would have most certainly been worse off Cliff than they are now but it would have made no difference to their existing activities. Although, in saying that you have to remember that Nevill secretly bailed Peter Eaton out when he was in difficulties and as a consequence owned half of his farm. Had Jeremy decided to sell and had he known about the agreement with Peter Eaton, that would have put Peter in dire straits.
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Sandy as you seem to wealth of knowledge about the family and wills etc would you say at the same time as the murders the family were having financial problems
Would you agree the argument between Neville and Peter was over a land deal wasn't it
Would you also agree it was a huge coincidence that the silencer was found in a cupboard already searched by the police by the family at the same time they had financial problems
Yes
Yes
No ...the police thought it was a suicide so never searched the cupboard for any evidence.
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Sandy as you seem to wealth of knowledge about the family and wills etc would you say at the same time as the murders the family were having financial problems
Would you agree the argument between Neville and Peter was over a land deal wasn't it
Would you also agree it was a huge coincidence that the silencer was found in a cupboard already searched by the police by the family at the same time they had financial problems
Glad I did,nt go further. Jackie have you no fear of smites.
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Sandy as you seem to wealth of knowledge about the family and wills etc would you say at the same time as the murders the family were having financial problems
Would you agree the argument between Neville and Peter was over a land deal wasn't it
Would you also agree it was a huge coincidence that the silencer was found in a cupboard already searched by the police by the family at the same time they had financial problems
Yes
Yes
No ...the police thought it was a suicide so never searched the cupboard for any evidence.
Didnt they fingerprint inside the cupboard ?
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Sandy as you know there are many thousands of photos and documents still held under PII if anything was found in those documents that once and for all proved Jeremys innocence if he got everything back where would the family live and have they got any money of there own and furthermore if it was proved they planted the silencer would everything they own go to Jeremy
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Sandy as you seem to wealth of knowledge about the family and wills etc would you say at the same time as the murders the family were having financial problems
Would you agree the argument between Neville and Peter was over a land deal wasn't it
Would you also agree it was a huge coincidence that the silencer was found in a cupboard already searched by the police by the family at the same time they had financial problems
Yes
Yes
No ...the police thought it was a suicide so never searched the cupboard for any evidence.
Didnt they fingerprint inside the cupboard ?
Why?
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Sandy as you seem to wealth of knowledge about the family and wills etc would you say at the same time as the murders the family were having financial problems
Would you agree the argument between Neville and Peter was over a land deal wasn't it
Would you also agree it was a huge coincidence that the silencer was found in a cupboard already searched by the police by the family at the same time they had financial problems
Yes
Yes
No ...the police thought it was a suicide so never searched the cupboard for any evidence.
Didnt they fingerprint inside the cupboard ?
Doubt it they did,nt do anything right. probably had the kettle on.
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Sandy as you seem to wealth of knowledge about the family and wills etc would you say at the same time as the murders the family were having financial problems
Would you agree the argument between Neville and Peter was over a land deal wasn't it
Would you also agree it was a huge coincidence that the silencer was found in a cupboard already searched by the police by the family at the same time they had financial problems
And why did they TAKE the silencer they allegedly found with them - and why keep it for days before handing it over to the police? Why not notify the police right after discovering it and let them come and pick up the silencer WITHOUT FIDGETING WITH IT!!
This family was a little too "proactive" in my honest view. Their actions DO raise doubt - they just do.
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Sandy as you seem to wealth of knowledge about the family and wills etc would you say at the same time as the murders the family were having financial problems
Would you agree the argument between Neville and Peter was over a land deal wasn't it
Would you also agree it was a huge coincidence that the silencer was found in a cupboard already searched by the police by the family at the same time they had financial problems
Yes
Yes
No ...the police thought it was a suicide so never searched the cupboard for any evidence.
Didnt they fingerprint inside the cupboard ?
Why?
I think you will find somebody made a statement saying they got fingerprint dust on their hands before the silencer was found . From inside the said cupboard
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Sandy as you seem to wealth of knowledge about the family and wills etc would you say at the same time as the murders the family were having financial problems
Would you agree the argument between Neville and Peter was over a land deal wasn't it
Would you also agree it was a huge coincidence that the silencer was found in a cupboard already searched by the police by the family at the same time they had financial problems
Yes
Yes
No ...the police thought it was a suicide so never searched the cupboard for any evidence.
Didnt they fingerprint inside the cupboard ?
Why?
I think you will find somebody made a statement saying they got fingerprint dust on their hands before the silencer was found . From inside the said cupboard
I thought the place wasn't fingerprinted until after the silencer was found.
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Sandy as you know there are many thousands of photos and documents still held under PII if anything was found in those documents that once and for all proved Jeremys innocence if he got everything back where would the family live and have they got any money of there own and furthermore if it was proved they planted the silencer would everything they own go to Jeremy
Gee whiz jackie, now you are way ahead of yourself.
If Jeremy was proven innocent he would get back what he is entitled to plus interest plus damages and that would have to be established as a matter of negotiation in a civil court.
If that happened the Boutflours and the Eatons would be in diffs for sure.
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Sandy as you seem to wealth of knowledge about the family and wills etc would you say at the same time as the murders the family were having financial problems
Would you agree the argument between Neville and Peter was over a land deal wasn't it
Would you also agree it was a huge coincidence that the silencer was found in a cupboard already searched by the police by the family at the same time they had financial problems
Yes
Yes
No ...the police thought it was a suicide so never searched the cupboard for any evidence.
Didnt they fingerprint inside the cupboard ?
Why?
I think you will find somebody made a statement saying they got fingerprint dust on their hands before the silencer was found . From inside the said cupboard
I thought the place wasn't fingerprinted until after the silencer was found.
No i read it on here will look for you!!
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Sandy as you know there are many thousands of photos and documents still held under PII if anything was found in those documents that once and for all proved Jeremys innocence if he got everything back where would the family live and have they got any money of there own and furthermore if it was proved they planted the silencer would everything they own go to Jeremy
If they planted the silencer, the money would be the least of their worries Jackie. One has to be careful about implying anything of the kind of course.
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Sandy as you know there are many thousands of photos and documents still held under PII if anything was found in those documents that once and for all proved Jeremys innocence if he got everything back where would the family live and have they got any money of there own and furthermore if it was proved they planted the silencer would everything they own go to Jeremy
Gee whiz jackie, now you are way ahead of yourself.
If Jeremy was proven innocent he would get back what he is entitled to plus interest plus damages and that would have to be established as a matter of negotiation in a civil court.
If that happened the Boutflours and the Eatons would be in diffs for sure.
Thought they were going abroad.[just in case]
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Sandy as you know there are many thousands of photos and documents still held under PII if anything was found in those documents that once and for all proved Jeremys innocence if he got everything back where would the family live and have they got any money of there own and furthermore if it was proved they planted the silencer would everything they own go to Jeremy
If they planted the silencer, the money would be the least of their worries Jackie. One has to be careful about implying anything of the kind of course.
I think we can forget such nonsense. It would be daft for someone to plant a silencer with blood and paint on it just to attempt to incriminate Jeremy. What if the police had already taken note of the cupboard or even photographed it? Would they look a right nanny then?
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Sandy as you seem to wealth of knowledge about the family and wills etc would you say at the same time as the murders the family were having financial problems
Would you agree the argument between Neville and Peter was over a land deal wasn't it
Would you also agree it was a huge coincidence that the silencer was found in a cupboard already searched by the police by the family at the same time they had financial problems
Yes
Yes
No ...the police thought it was a suicide so never searched the cupboard for any evidence.
Didnt they fingerprint inside the cupboard ?
Why?
I think you will find somebody made a statement saying they got fingerprint dust on their hands before the silencer was found . From inside the said cupboard
I thought the place wasn't fingerprinted until after the silencer was found.
No i read it on here will look for you!!
Thanks Jon. ;D
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Ann Eaton, David Boutflour, Peter Eaton, Robert Boutflour and Basil Cock were allowed back into White House Farm to see if they could come up with any evidence to assist with the investigations.
Ann Eaton stated that she was surprised that Essex Police had not properly searched Nevill Bamber’s gun cupboard, after David found and removed a sound moderator from a carrier bag in a box on the floor of the cupboard. David also removed the telescopic sights and 350 rounds of .22 ammunition from the cupboard.
Did the police go back and fingerprint it?
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Sandy as you seem to wealth of knowledge about the family and wills etc would you say at the same time as the murders the family were having financial problems
Would you agree the argument between Neville and Peter was over a land deal wasn't it
Would you also agree it was a huge coincidence that the silencer was found in a cupboard already searched by the police by the family at the same time they had financial problems
Yes
Yes
No ...the police thought it was a suicide so never searched the cupboard for any evidence.
Didnt they fingerprint inside the cupboard ?
Why?
I think you will find somebody made a statement saying they got fingerprint dust on their hands before the silencer was found . From inside the said cupboard
I thought the place wasn't fingerprinted until after the silencer was found.
No i read it on here will look for you!!
Thanks Jon. ;D
I am wrong about the timing you are right as usual but i think still a valid point !! http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,606.msg13260.html#msg13260
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well bamber would of gained if he hadent been sent down for murder.
the cousin who found the silencer gained i believe
Yes. Jeremy would have gained if he had not been convicted.
Several of the relatives gained from Jeremy's conviction, but the question is - did they know they would gain from that? It seems that Robert Boutflour was pretty sure they would, but at what point did he know that? Before or after the silencer evidence was found or after?
Of course they knew. This isn't your average naive family we're talking about. Key members of the family were partners in a business with the Bambers and had shared interests in jointly owned property. Nevill Bamber owned 50% of the home of one section of the family.
The livelihood of that family hinged on the outcome of JB's trial. Most families in that situation would have taken legal advice and I'd be amazed to learn, given the extent to which their lives intermeshed with that of the Bambers, that this family did not do so.
Most families in that situation would have taken legal advice. I would have taken legal advice within days of the murders.
In my view, the greed that many here ascribe to this family would have taken second place to issues arising from sheer practicality and the dire need to clarify the busness's and their own legal position.
They had a business which was their livelihood to run. The deaths of Nevill and June would have raised so many issues affecting the running of that business. How exactly were the family to go about running that business when major shareholders had just died? What was the legal position in respect of June and Nevill's shareholding? What did they need to do in respect of that? What exactly was JB's position regarding the compnay now? Did they need to cancel June and Nevill's shares and reissue these to JB and when? Assuming he wasn't already director of the company, did JB have the right to become a director? How much control should he have?
Later, JB's arrest would have raised the issue of just how the company was to function when one major shareholder stood accused of the murders of two others major shareholders.
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Ann Eaton, David Boutflour, Peter Eaton, Robert Boutflour and Basil Cock were allowed back into White House Farm to see if they could come up with any evidence to assist with the investigations. Ann Eaton stated that she was surprised that Essex Police had not properly searched Nevill Bamber’s gun cupboard, after David found and removed a sound moderator from a carrier bag in a box on the floor of the cupboard. David also removed the telescopic sights and 350 rounds of .22 ammunition from the cupboard.
Did the police go back and fingerprint it?
Because they were pushing - and then they (conveniently) found the silencer. It does raise doubts.
I remember reading somewhere that a police officer stated that he had looked at the cupboard, but hadn´t seen a silencer. He added that he hadn´t been looking for one.
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weather he was looking for it or not he shouldent really have failed to spot it if it was there.
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Ann Eaton, David Boutflour, Peter Eaton, Robert Boutflour and Basil Cock were allowed back into White House Farm to see if they could come up with any evidence to assist with the investigations.
Ann Eaton stated that she was surprised that Essex Police had not properly searched Nevill Bamber’s gun cupboard, after David found and removed a sound moderator from a carrier bag in a box on the floor of the cupboard. David also removed the telescopic sights and 350 rounds of .22 ammunition from the cupboard.
Did the police go back and fingerprint it?
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Are you saying the cops could,nt find anything, so invited the only other people with a vested interest to have a look.
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Ann Eaton, David Boutflour, Peter Eaton, Robert Boutflour and Basil Cock were allowed back into White House Farm to see if they could come up with any evidence to assist with the investigations.
Ann Eaton stated that she was surprised that Essex Police had not properly searched Nevill Bamber’s gun cupboard, after David found and removed a sound moderator from a carrier bag in a box on the floor of the cupboard. David also removed the telescopic sights and 350 rounds of .22 ammunition from the cupboard.
Did the police go back and fingerprint it?
I don't recall David Boutflour saying the silencer was in a carrier bag.
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Sandy as you seem to wealth of knowledge about the family and wills etc would you say at the same time as the murders the family were having financial problems
Would you agree the argument between Neville and Peter was over a land deal wasn't it
Would you also agree it was a huge coincidence that the silencer was found in a cupboard already searched by the police by the family at the same time they had financial problems
Yes
Yes
No ...the police thought it was a suicide so never searched the cupboard for any evidence.
Didnt they fingerprint inside the cupboard ?
Why?
I think you will find somebody made a statement saying they got fingerprint dust on their hands before the silencer was found . From inside the said cupboard
I thought the place wasn't fingerprinted until after the silencer was found.
No i read it on here will look for you!!
Thanks Jon. ;D
I am wrong about the timing you are right as usual but i think still a valid point !! http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,606.msg13260.html#msg13260
That doesn't say that the gun cupboard was fingerprinted though. It's referring to the issue of when the house in general was fingerprinted.
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well bamber would of gained if he hadent been sent down for murder.
the cousin who found the silencer gained i believe
Yes. Jeremy would have gained if he had not been convicted.
Several of the relatives gained from Jeremy's conviction, but the question is - did they know they would gain from that? It seems that Robert Boutflour was pretty sure they would, but at what point did he know that? Before or after the silencer evidence was found or after?
Of course they knew. This isn't your average naive family we're talking about. Key members of the family were partners in a business with the Bambers and had shared interests in jointly owned property. Nevill Bamber owned 50% of the home of one section of the family.
The livelihood of that family hinged on the outcome of JB's trial. Most families in that situation would have taken legal advice and I'd be amazed to learn, given the extent to which their lives intermeshed with that of the Bambers, that this family did not do so.
Most families in that situation would have taken legal advice. I would have taken legal advice within days of the murders.
In my view, the greed that many here ascribe to this family would have taken second place to issues arising from sheer practicality and the dire need to clarify the busness's and their own legal position.
They had a business which was their livelihood to run. The deaths of Nevill and June would have raised so many issues affecting the running of that business. How exactly were the family to go about running that business when major shareholders had just died? What was the legal position in respect of June and Nevill's shareholding? What did they need to do in respect of that? What exactly was JB's position regarding the compnay now? Did they need to cancel June and Nevill's shares and reissue these to JB and when? Assuming he wasn't already director of the company, did JB have the right to become a director? How much control should he have?
Later, JB's arrest would have raised the issue of just how the company was to function when one major shareholder stood accused of the murders of two others major shareholders.
Very good points Keira. +1
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That doesn't say that the gun cupboard was fingerprinted though. It's referring to the issue of when the house in general was fingerprinted.
That's quite correct, see page 132 of Robert Boutflour's statement.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,606.msg13260.html#msg13260
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Quote from: Jackiepreece on Today at 07:53 PM
Sandy as you know there are many thousands of photos and documents still held under PII if anything was found in those documents that once and for all proved Jeremys innocence if he got everything back where would the family live and have they got any money of there own and furthermore if it was proved they planted the silencer would everything they own go to Jeremy
Gee whiz jackie, now you are way ahead of yourself.
If Jeremy was proven innocent he would get back what he is entitled to plus interest plus damages and that would have to be established as a matter of negotiation in a civil court...
What an interesting little Freudian slip...
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Ann Eaton, David Boutflour, Peter Eaton, Robert Boutflour and Basil Cock were allowed back into White House Farm to see if they could come up with any evidence to assist with the investigations. Ann Eaton stated that she was surprised that Essex Police had not properly searched Nevill Bamber’s gun cupboard, after David found and removed a sound moderator from a carrier bag in a box on the floor of the cupboard. David also removed the telescopic sights and 350 rounds of .22 ammunition from the cupboard.
Did the police go back and fingerprint it?
Because they were pushing - and then they (conveniently) found the silencer. It does raise doubts.
I remember reading somewhere that a police officer stated that he had looked at the cupboard, but hadn´t seen a silencer. He added that he hadn´t been looking for one.
He would have to have gone down on his hands an knees in the dark to find it. It's hardly surprising therefore that he didn't see it.
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Ann Eaton, David Boutflour, Peter Eaton, Robert Boutflour and Basil Cock were allowed back into White House Farm to see if they could come up with any evidence to assist with the investigations. Ann Eaton stated that she was surprised that Essex Police had not properly searched Nevill Bamber’s gun cupboard, after David found and removed a sound moderator from a carrier bag in a box on the floor of the cupboard. David also removed the telescopic sights and 350 rounds of .22 ammunition from the cupboard.
Did the police go back and fingerprint it?
Because they were pushing - and then they (conveniently) found the silencer. It does raise doubts.
I remember reading somewhere that a police officer stated that he had looked at the cupboard, but hadn´t seen a silencer. He added that he hadn´t been looking for one.
He would have to have gone down on his hands an knees in the dark to find it. It's hardly surprising therefore that he didn't see it.
Why 'in the dark'?
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innocent he would get back what he is entitled to plus interest plus damages and that would have to be established as a matter of negotiation in a civil court...
What an interesting little Freudian slip...
Where?
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innocent he would get back what he is entitled to plus interest plus damages and that would have to be established as a matter of negotiation in a civil court...
What an interesting little Freudian slip...
Where?
The italicised section.
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Why 'in the dark'?
Sorry should have been in the shadows.
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innocent he would get back what he is entitled to plus interest plus damages and that would have to be established as a matter of negotiation in a civil court...
What an interesting little Freudian slip...
Where?
The italicised section.
I don't interpret that as a Freudian slip Keira. He will get back what he is entitled to under the law if he is cleared.
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That doesn't say that the gun cupboard was fingerprinted though. It's referring to the issue of when the house in general was fingerprinted.
That's quite correct, see page 132 of Robert Boutflour's statement.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,606.msg13260.html#msg13260
Thank you Sandy. I wonder if it can be established for certain when the house was fingerprinted.
In the appeal document it's implied that the house was not fingerprinted until September, but perhaps some of it had been done in August.
Our attention was drawn to a case diary kept by Mr Ainsley in which was recorded under 8 September:
"Scenes of Crime to visit 9 Head Street under the command of DI Cook and White House Farm under the command of DCI Wright and to carry out a full, thorough Scene of Crime examination, fingerprints and scientific in particular in relation to entry and exit marks at White House Farm".
http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2002/2912.htm
Para 267.
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There is no doubt that the prosecution did disclose the fact that a scene of crime examination did take place at White House Farm on September 8 and 9. The defence were served with statements of DS Finch, DS Lunn and DC King. A fingerprint examination took place.
http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2002/2912.htm
Para 272.
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Perhaps the question should be "who thought that they would gain the most"?
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Keystone cops :D
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Perhaps the question should be "who thought that they would gain the most"?
If JB thought he would gain the most, you would think he would have the intelligence not just to plan the crime itself, but to also preserve his liberty in the aftermath of the crime, so that he could enjoy the financial rewards. However, in order to do that, he would have to keep the planning and execution of the crime to himself. But he did the opposite. He told Julie Mugford. So he sewed the seeds of his own demise at the same time as scheming for his affluent future.
It's not really credible.
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JB possibly wasn't the brightest bulb on the tree, and let's face it, he did seem to live it up as much as poss very soon after the killings/murders. By anyone's standards, he showed very little remorse, and couldn't wait to sell valuable stuff, both his parents' and Sheila's.
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I am not sure I quite understand the silencer issue it is far too ridiculous and i hope to meet judge dredd or whatever he is called one day if he is not dead yet especially regarding the summing up issues
So the hit man had a plumbing job on the actual day it was convenient to carry out the murders, but life sucks sometimes, so jeremy decides he might as well do it he kills the twins kills his mother kills neville after a ferocious fight with his father although he didnt get a scratch gets his sister to lie down and calmly shoots her under the chin so it looks like suicide she doesnt mind although a bit pissed off because jeremys just killed her children then jeremy thinks oh well better take the silencer of the gun i dont want to get any more blood on me so i might as well put it in the cupboard as it is then he is stuck do i really really hide the silencer so its still in the farm if anyone asks or shall i just hide it a little bit and now i get stuck because i dont know how fast his bike went on the way home
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I am not sure I quite understand the silencer issue it is far too ridiculous and i hope to meet judge dredd or whatever he is called one day if he is not dead yet especially regarding the summing up issues
So the hit man had a plumbing job on the actual day it was convenient to carry out the murders, but life sucks sometimes, so jeremy decides he might as well do it he kills the twins kills his mother kills neville after a ferocious fight with his father although he didnt get a scratch gets his sister to lie down and calmly shoots her under the chin so it looks like suicide she doesnt mind although a bit pissed off because jeremys just killed her children then jeremy thinks oh well better take the silencer of the gun i dont want to get any more blood on me so i might as well put it in the cupboard as it is then he is stuck do i really really hide the silencer so its still in the farm if anyone asks or shall i just hide it a little bit and now i get stuck because i dont know how fast his bike went on the way home
You forgot about him telling his lass before and after.....and then just letting them break up. Also his wet suit :P
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I am not sure I quite understand the silencer issue it is far too ridiculous and i hope to meet judge dredd or whatever he is called one day if he is not dead yet especially regarding the summing up issues
So the hit man had a plumbing job on the actual day it was convenient to carry out the murders, but life sucks sometimes, so jeremy decides he might as well do it he kills the twins kills his mother kills neville after a ferocious fight with his father although he didnt get a scratch gets his sister to lie down and calmly shoots her under the chin so it looks like suicide she doesnt mind although a bit pissed off because jeremys just killed her children then jeremy thinks oh well better take the silencer of the gun i dont want to get any more blood on me so i might as well put it in the cupboard as it is then he is stuck do i really really hide the silencer so its still in the farm if anyone asks or shall i just hide it a little bit and now i get stuck because i dont know how fast his bike went on the way home
You forgot about him telling his lass before and after.....and then just letting them break up. Also his wet suit :P
Maybe he wore flippers too. ;D
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So Shonapugs we are on the Jeremy life style so he lived it up a bit but he had savings in the bank and he sold some stuff from the farm i have no idea what he did sell
But one of the relatives was stealing goods that belonged to the BAMBERS
Who was the most guilty jeremy who was selling some possesions that belonged to his family or Peter Eaton stealing stuff that did not belong to his family
oops forgot the police had already tipped peter off that jeremy was going to be convicted so it might as well have been his anyway lets not bother to investigate
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I'm not questioning his lifestyle before the killings. I'm just wobbly as to why he seemed to use them as an excuse to immediately begin to profit afterwards.
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I'm not questioning his lifestyle before the killings. I'm just wobbly as to why he seemed to use them as an excuse to immediately begin to profit afterwards.
To pay the hitman's 2nd installment? ;)
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Ah, Rochy, you wink, but that is still the route that I'm trudging down.
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I'm not questioning his lifestyle before the killings. I'm just wobbly as to why he seemed to use them as an excuse to immediately begin to profit afterwards.
But how was he profiting immediately afterwards? No monies had come through at that stage and more than likely would not have done for months. He would have to be using money he already had, unless he was using a credit card.
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I wonder if you can get a hit man and pay over like 20 weeks spread it out a bit like the catalogues
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Think of the nectar points..................
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I wonder if you can get a hit man and pay over like 20 weeks spread it out a bit like the catalogues
Oh Jackie that comment has literally made me 'laugh out loud'!
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But HM, he DID flog stuff, and practically the next day he was clearing out Sheila's flat, apparently. And what about the photos of Sheila that he touted?
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I am not sure I quite understand the silencer issue it is far too ridiculous and i hope to meet judge dredd or whatever he is called one day if he is not dead yet especially regarding the summing up issues
So the hit man had a plumbing job on the actual day it was convenient to carry out the murders, but life sucks sometimes, so jeremy decides he might as well do it he kills the twins kills his mother kills neville after a ferocious fight with his father although he didnt get a scratch gets his sister to lie down and calmly shoots her under the chin so it looks like suicide she doesnt mind although a bit pissed off because jeremys just killed her children then jeremy thinks oh well better take the silencer of the gun i dont want to get any more blood on me so i might as well put it in the cupboard as it is then he is stuck do i really really hide the silencer so its still in the farm if anyone asks or shall i just hide it a little bit and now i get stuck because i dont know how fast his bike went on the way home
Panting like the blazes, his heart fit to burst as it pounds in his chest, Bamber pushes his mother's bike as he waddles to the sea wall...he's still wearing his flippers.
"Please, God, let me just make it to Goldhanger", he panted, "this bl**dy wet suit's killing me".
Bamber went on muttering to himself as he mopped the copious sweat which trickled down his face. Periodically he rubbed a hand down his arm to squeeze out some of the sweat which had accumulated under his armpit beneath the wet suit.
"Don't let anyone see me like this, I'll never live it down next time I'm banged up in the scrubs if anyone gets a picture of this on their mobile."
Pushing the bone shaker of a bike up the slippery slope of the muddy sea wall was no mean feat for a man suffering heat exhaustion from killing five member of his family while wearing a wet suit and flippers, but he managed it somehow.
# I've just gotta get a message to you- oo-oo
Hold on, hold on #
Bamber sang mockingly as he finally made it to the top of the slope, climbed aboard June's sit up and beg and set off along the sea wall at a fast and furious pace.
Every now and then Bamber had to brake to a shuddering halt as he hit a hair pin bend in the path.
"Watch it, watch it!", he warned himself.
Five minutes and he was on the long, straight stretch home, not a minute too soon, either as Bamber was by now hallucinating from dehydration and heat exhaustion.
Perhaps it was the heat exhaustion that led him to make that error of judgement? He'll never be sure. One moment Bamber was riding high on the sea wall, singing dementedly to himself: then the moon seemed to play a trick on his thirst and heat addled mind...
"A bat, out here...?....wooooooo........Aaaaaaauggggh!"
Just at that tricky point on the path at 'the Shoe' in Goldhanger, the section of the sea wall where the path narrows dramatically as it forms a hair pin bend and crumbles away to the rocks below, that's where Bamber swerved to avoid that damn bat.
In swerving, the front wheel of June's bone shaker hit a clump of grass as big as a sleeping policeman, making the bone shaker buck and shudder as its back wheel span round towards the rocks below
... the rest is history.
It will always be one of the great mysteries of this case that, when Bamber was found concussed on the rocks by a police boat patrol the next morning.. still wearing his wet suit and flippers and still singing:
# I've just gotta get a message to you- oo-oo
Hold on, hold on
One more hour and my life will be through -oo -oo
Hoold o-o-on, hold o-o-on #
there was not a scratch nor a minuscule drop of blood on him.
How could that be if Jeremy Bamber had killed five people in one of the most frenzied and brutal mass murders of our century?
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And the Booker prize goes to................Chocho!! Totally brilliant!! This is why I don't applaud or smite, I am not worthy. That was lovely to read!! If I was JB and reading that, I would be buying bunting and celebration pants!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I am not sure I quite understand the silencer issue it is far too ridiculous and i hope to meet judge dredd or whatever he is called one day if he is not dead yet especially regarding the summing up issues
So the hit man had a plumbing job on the actual day it was convenient to carry out the murders, but life sucks sometimes, so jeremy decides he might as well do it he kills the twins kills his mother kills neville after a ferocious fight with his father although he didnt get a scratch gets his sister to lie down and calmly shoots her under the chin so it looks like suicide she doesnt mind although a bit pissed off because jeremys just killed her children then jeremy thinks oh well better take the silencer of the gun i dont want to get any more blood on me so i might as well put it in the cupboard as it is then he is stuck do i really really hide the silencer so its still in the farm if anyone asks or shall i just hide it a little bit and now i get stuck because i dont know how fast his bike went on the way home
Panting like the blazes, his heart fit to burst as it pounds in his chest, Bamber pushes his mother's bike as he waddles to the sea wall...he's still wearing his flippers.
"Please, God, let me just make it to Goldhanger", he panted, "this bl**dy wet suit's killing me".
Bamber went on muttering to himself as he mopped the copious sweat which trickled down his face. Periodically he rubbed a hand down his arm to squeeze out some of the sweat which had accumulated under his armpit beneath the wet suit.
"Don't let anyone see me like this, I'll never live it down next time I'm banged up in the scrubs if anyone gets a picture of this on their mobile."
Pushing the bone shaker of a bike up the slippery slope of the muddy sea wall was no mean feat for a man suffering heat exhaustion from killing five member of his family while wearing a wet suit and flippers, but he managed it somehow.
# I've just gotta get a message to you- oo-oo
Hold on, hold on #
Bamber sang mockingly as he finally made it to the top of the slope, climbed aboard June's sit up and beg and set off along the sea wall at a fast and furious pace.
Every now and then Bamber had to brake to a shuddering halt as he hit a hair pin bend in the path.
"Watch it, watch it!", he warned himself.
Five minutes and he was on the long, straight stretch home, not a minute too soon, either as Bamber was by now hallucinating from dehydration and heat exhaustion.
Perhaps it was the heat exhaustion that led him to make that error of judgement? He'll never be sure. One moment Bamber was riding high on the sea wall, singing dementedly to himself: then the moon seemed to play a trick on his thirst and heat addled mind...
"A bat, out here...?....wooooooo........Aaaaaaauggggh!"
Just at that tricky point on the path at 'the Shoe' in Goldhanger, the section of the sea wall where the path narrows dramatically as it forms a hair pin bend and crumbles away to the rocks below, that's where Bamber swerved to avoid that damn bat.
In swerving, the front wheel of June's bone shaker hit a clump of grass as big as a sleeping policeman, making the bone shaker buck and shudder as its back wheel span round towards the rocks below
... the rest is history.
It will always be one of the great mysteries of this case that, when Bamber was found concussed on the rocks by a police boat patrol the next morning.. still wearing his wet suit and flippers and still singing:
# I've just gotta get a message to you- oo-oo
Hold on, hold on
One more hour and my life will be through -oo -oo
Hoold o-o-on, hold o-o-on #
there was not a scratch nor a minuscule drop of blood on him.
How could that be if Jeremy Bamber had killed five people in one of the most frenzied and brutal mass murders of our century?
Excellent. You forgot about him holding a torch though!
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You can get those wanky ones, that you strap to your head.......
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You can get those wanky ones, that you strap to your head.......
Lovely! So as not to draw attention to oneself! ???
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I am not sure I quite understand the silencer issue it is far too ridiculous and i hope to meet judge dredd or whatever he is called one day if he is not dead yet especially regarding the summing up issues
So the hit man had a plumbing job on the actual day it was convenient to carry out the murders, but life sucks sometimes, so jeremy decides he might as well do it he kills the twins kills his mother kills neville after a ferocious fight with his father although he didnt get a scratch gets his sister to lie down and calmly shoots her under the chin so it looks like suicide she doesnt mind although a bit pissed off because jeremys just killed her children then jeremy thinks oh well better take the silencer of the gun i dont want to get any more blood on me so i might as well put it in the cupboard as it is then he is stuck do i really really hide the silencer so its still in the farm if anyone asks or shall i just hide it a little bit and now i get stuck because i dont know how fast his bike went on the way home
Panting like the blazes, his heart fit to burst as it pounds in his chest, Bamber pushes his mother's bike as he waddles to the sea wall...he's still wearing his flippers.
"Please, God, let me just make it to Goldhanger", he panted, "this bl**dy wet suit's killing me".
Bamber went on muttering to himself as he mopped the copious sweat which trickled down his face. Periodically he rubbed a hand down his arm to squeeze out some of the sweat which had accumulated under his armpit beneath the wet suit.
"Don't let anyone see me like this, I'll never live it down next time I'm banged up in the scrubs if anyone gets a picture of this on their mobile."
Pushing the bone shaker of a bike up the slippery slope of the muddy sea wall was no mean feat for a man suffering heat exhaustion from killing five member of his family while wearing a wet suit and flippers, but he managed it somehow.
# I've just gotta get a message to you- oo-oo
Hold on, hold on #
Bamber sang mockingly as he finally made it to the top of the slope, climbed aboard June's sit up and beg and set off along the sea wall at a fast and furious pace.
Every now and then Bamber had to brake to a shuddering halt as he hit a hair pin bend in the path.
"Watch it, watch it!", he warned himself.
Five minutes and he was on the long, straight stretch home, not a minute too soon, either as Bamber was by now hallucinating from dehydration and heat exhaustion.
Perhaps it was the heat exhaustion that led him to make that error of judgement? He'll never be sure. One moment Bamber was riding high on the sea wall, singing dementedly to himself: then the moon seemed to play a trick on his thirst and heat addled mind...
"A bat, out here...?....wooooooo........Aaaaaaauggggh!"
Just at that tricky point on the path at 'the Shoe' in Goldhanger, the section of the sea wall where the path narrows dramatically as it forms a hair pin bend and crumbles away to the rocks below, that's where Bamber swerved to avoid that damn bat.
In swerving, the front wheel of June's bone shaker hit a clump of grass as big as a sleeping policeman, making the bone shaker buck and shudder as its back wheel span round towards the rocks below
... the rest is history.
It will always be one of the great mysteries of this case that, when Bamber was found concussed on the rocks by a police boat patrol the next morning.. still wearing his wet suit and flippers, torch still strapped to his head and still singing:
# I've just gotta get a message to you- oo-oo
Hold on, hold on
One more hour and my life will be through -oo -oo
Hoold o-o-on, hold o-o-on #
there was not a scratch nor a minuscule drop of blood on him.
How could that be if Jeremy Bamber had killed five people in one of the most frenzied and brutal mass murders of our century?
Excellent. You forgot about him holding a torch though!
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Yep. You would hardly notice a wanky head-torch over the wet suit and flippers.
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Yep. You would hardly notice a wanky head-torch over the wet suit and flippers.
How could a head torch sufficiently illuminate that hugely tricky and dangerous sea wall path and illuminate Bamber a view of the hairpins and crumbling sections looming ahead?
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Choch, I have no idea. I've never been there, I could not hazard a guess. I still think that the simple, original theory was possibly correct. JB paid, and that is why he's convinced that he is innocent. But he still hasn't told the triuth.
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I heart you chocho that's made my night I think JB had better stay inside I love your stories I think you need to be one of the scriptwriters for the film and can I apply to be your runner
This really is the keystone cops you couldn't make it up
I think we all need to meet up and do a reconstruction who shall we choose to go on the bike I know who was the person who said the journey by bike was possible I have a stopwatch
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Choch, I have no idea. I've never been there, I could not hazard a guess. I still think that the simple, original theory was possibly correct. JB paid, and that is why he's convinced that he is innocent. But he still hasn't told the triuth.
I've posted some photos of the sea wall at Goldhanger on the site here, shonapugs.
Although the path as it is now is nothing like the treacherous path of the 1980s as extensive 'elf and safety improvements have been made to comply with EU law: widening the path, ironing out the 'speed bump' grass clumps, taking out the large stones, filling in the foot deep hollows. Yet the path is still treacherous and a death trap at night in pitch blackness.
If someone can tell me how to post a scanned photograph here I can post a photo of how that path looked in the 1980s prior to the improvements. When I try to post scanned pictures I get a message telling me that I can't post that sort of file. Why is that and what can I do to overcome it?
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I heart you chocho that's made my night I think JB had better stay inside I love your stories I think you need to be one of the scriptwriters for the film and can I apply to be your runner
This really is the keystone cops you couldn't make it up
I think we all need to meet up and do a reconstruction who shall we choose to go on the bike I know who was the person who said the journey by bike was possible I have a stopwatch
Thanks, Jackie. I've more chance of winnng the lottery than being asked to do the film script: in both cases I'm at point zero in the queue. But, yes, you can be my runner if by some miraculous piece of luck I were to be chosen.
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I just told that story to my friend but I was laughing so much it took me twenty minutes this is the most ridiculous situation I have ever experienced I don't think Essex police had a brain between them can you imagine it. I haven't heard them do one single thing right in this case but Chocho won't it be brilliant when the person who said it wouldn't be a problem turns up for the reconstruction
Do you think we could find a boneshaker from somewhere
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I don't think Jeremy is laughing, do you? ;D