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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: mike tesko on May 31, 2015, 09:27:AM
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Sheila Caffells note, exhibit, DRH/42, was found on the bedside cabinet in her own bedroom. But does anyone know what its contents contained? Did police destroy it? Or has it simply been withheld under the rule of PPI?
Well, I am currently in possession of a note which I suspect is a copy on the handwritten note in question, but the quality of its contents is rather poor. I m trying to decipher what Sheila wrote about in it in the moments before having killed, or being prepared to kill other members of her family, and then perhaps even her own death...
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The last part of note DRH/42 reads (I think) as follows:-
"SHE WAS LOVED BY US ALL OF HER LIFE. HELP HER SHE NEEDS SO MUCH COMFORT AND I CAN NOT GIVE HER THIS HELP IN THE AFTER WORLD. I'M GOING TO FINISH NOW AS MY MOTHERS STRENGTH IS SLIPPING. HELP HER PLEASE.
BAMBI
01 - 989 4191 PHONE".
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The last part of note DRH/42 reads (I think) as follows:-
"SHE WAS LOVED BY US ALL OF HER LIFE. HELP HER SHE NEEDS SO MUCH COMFORT AND I CAN NOT GIVE HER THIS HELP IN THE AFTER WORLD. I'M GOING TO FINISH NOW AS MY MOTHERS STRENGTH IS SLIPPING. HELP HER PLEASE.
BAMBI
01 - 989 4191 PHONE".
I would say that ANY hand written words found in any of the bibles in the house were MORE likely to have been June's and given that her own mother was so poorly at the time, the above looks as if it was a prayer written by June on her mother's behalf. It speaks of a woman who feels she is unable to do any more for the mother she loves and there is recognition that the end is near. IMO, this was June's prayer, NOT Sheila's.
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The note appears to be Intended for Sheila Caffells blood mother, and there is reference to Sheila being upset that she is now known by the name of Sheila Bam', when her true name had been "BRIDGET"...
I wonder if that could be verified historically?
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The note appears to be Intended for Sheila Caffells blood mother, and there is reference to Sheila being upset that she is now known by the name of Sheila Bam', when her true name had been "BRIDGET"...
I wonder if that could be verified historically?
EXTRACT:-
"I AM YOUR DAUGHTER BRIDGET AND NOT SHEILA BAM', 3.3.57, AND NO ONE CAN TAKE THAT AWAY FROM YOU AND I"...
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I would say that ANY hand written words found in any of the bibles in the house were MORE likely to have been June's and given that her own mother was so poorly at the time, the above looks as if it was a prayer written by June on her mother's behalf. It speaks of a woman who feels she is unable to do any more for the mother she loves and there is recognition that the end is near. IMO, this was June's prayer, NOT Sheila's.
When Sheila was born, was she given the Christian name, Bridget?
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Sorry Mike,I'm not believing this.
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When Sheila was born, was she given the Christian name, Bridget?
The last part of note DRH/42 reads (I think) as follows:-
"SHE WAS LOVED BY US ALL OF HER LIFE. HELP HER SHE NEEDS SO MUCH COMFORT AND I CAN NOT GIVE HER THIS HELP IN THE AFTER WORLD. I'M GOING TO FINISH NOW AS MY MOTHERS STRENGTH IS SLIPPING. HELP HER PLEASE.
BAMBI
01 - 989 4191 PHONE".
I don't know the name Sheila was registered with but Patti might.
The words "She was loved by us all her life" aren't in ANY way appropriate for a person -without biological siblings "US?"- to refer to a mother she never knew. Actually, probably didn't even know the existence of until she was sent to boarding school. I think you need to understand that the subject of this prayer is going somewhere the daughter cannot go -I cannot give her this help in the after world". The last sentence suggests that June MAY have been sitting with her mother when she wrote the words.
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I don't know the name Sheila was registered with but Patti might.
The words "She was loved by us all her life" aren't in ANY way appropriate for a person -without biological siblings "US?"- to refer to a mother she never knew. Actually, probably didn't even know the existence of until she was sent to boarding school. I think you need to understand that the subject of this prayer is going somewhere the daughter cannot go -I cannot give her this help in the after world". The last sentence suggests that June MAY have been sitting with her mother when she wrote the words.
There is mention in the note, (page 1) "THE POLICE ARE GOING TO BE IN TOUCH SOON AND GET THIS WHOLE DIRTY MESS CLEARED UP AND I MUST SAY IT IS A LONG MESSY BUSINESS AS I SAID BEFORE ........... SHOULD BE A LOT ... DIRTY BUGS WILL CRAWL OUT, OH MUMMY DON'T YOU THINK I HAVE FEELINGS ALSO ON THAT FLOATING SPACE I AM IN. AS SOON AS THE DIRT IS DUG UP AND THE PUBLIC NO, THEN MY DARLING MUMMY WILL MY BABY'S AND ME BE LAID TO REST....
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EXTRACT (page1)...
"WE NO ......... AWFUL TIME YOU ARE GOING THROUGH, BUT WE ARE .......... AND .... I WOULD DEARLY ...... EX HUSBAND OF MINE WHAT TO DO...
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EXTRACT (page2)...
"HE SAY, NOT TO ....... MY SONS .....
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Mike, there is NOTHING, in the extracts you have posted,which relates in ANY way to each other. That which you speak of as being a difficult to read, hand written note is beginning to turn into a fictional BOOK and you can't have it all ways. The first extract was totally believable. The rest isn't but as you say, it was difficult to read so we have to allow that you read it wrongly.
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Mike, there is NOTHING, in the extracts you have posted,which relates in ANY way to each other. That which you speak of as being a difficult to read, hand written note is beginning to turn into a fictional BOOK and you can't have it all ways. The first extract was totally believable. The rest isn't but as you say, it was difficult to read so we have to allow that you read it wrongly.
Yes, Sheila became very distressed in the middle of the creation of the note, her handwriting becomes enormous and almost ineligible...
But...
From what I can glean from its contents, Sheila appears to be upset about possibly having her birth name (Bridget) changed into Sheila, and at the time of writing the note, she speaks about expecting the police to be arriving very soon, to sort out some messy business or other, and she is not happy with her ex husband for one reason or another, she is worried about her mother losing strength and slipping away, and that she needs help but Sheila won't be able to give it to her in the afterworld...
If Sheila is the author of this then, it looks odds on that she had lost the plot, had been contemplating the imminent arrival of the police, had a bee in her bonnet about her ex husband, was worried about her mothers strength slipping away, and that talk of not being able to give her mother the help she needed from the afterworld where she was bound, might provide an insight into the state if her mind at the time the other four members of her family were shot by her..,
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I shall post a copy of the note for viewing:-
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Mike
I sincerely hope this is not the note that you said was written by Sheila - but you know full well that it was not written by her. It is not her handwriting and I think you know who wrote it .
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Mike
I sincerely hope this is not the note that you said was written by Sheila - but you know full well that it was not written by her. It is not her handwriting and I think you know who wrote it .
Jan, that was actually the question that I'd meant to ask. HOW could Mike be so certain sure, having never previously seen Sheila's written hand, that it was she who wrote it?
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Mike
I sincerely hope this is not the note that you said was written by Sheila - but you know full well that it was not written by her. It is not her handwriting and I think you know who wrote it .
Who do you think is the author of the note, if it wasn't Sheila?
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The police say they recovered a note from Dheila, written by her, it was on the bedside cabinet. It was given an exhibit reference if DRH/42, which means that DC Hammersley took possession of it at the scene. Yet poice do not officially disclose its contents...
Why?
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The police say they recovered a note from Dheila, written by her, it was on the bedside cabinet. It was given an exhibit reference if DRH/42, which means that DC Hammersley took possession of it at the scene. Yet poice do not officially disclose its contents...
Why?
The obvious question is how do the police KNOW it was written by Sheila?
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Hi mike, im a newbie.
Reading past posts there seems to be some bad feeling amongst some of you. I am going to make my own mind up and would like very much to see the note.
could i ask where you get all this information from please. I understand you were in p?ison with JB and have some of your own dealings with the police etc and have distrust of them.
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Sheila's given name was Phyllis, she was born in Bath. I do have her birth certificate.
The hand written note we have all tried to decipher on here. I am not sure who wrote it, it might have been Sheila it was in fact a letter I think... :-\
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Mike's version of what DRH/42 says and what was posted as DRH/42 differ considerably I just see letters no words except please let alone the sentences that Mike alleges:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4512;image
(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4512;image)
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Mike's version of what DRH/42 says and what was posted as DRH/42 differ considerably I just see letters no words except please let alone the sentences that Mike alleges:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4512;image
(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4512;image)
Scipio, I think we can all rest assured that there doesn't appear to be anything new here and if memory serves me correctly we have discussed all this previously.
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I shall post a copy of the note for viewing:-
We've seen it before.
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Mike's version of what DRH/42 says and what was posted as DRH/42 differ considerably I just see letters no words except please let alone the sentences that Mike alleges:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4512;image
(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4512;image)
Oh no! I think I know what's coming next! :-\
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The first 3 rows of letters---------N-M-D==13
B-G-D==13
P-L-U==13
G-J--8 C-F--9
The letters represent numbers in Witchcraft Numerology. 3 is significant if you're a white witch.
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The number 13 in witchcraft indicates Death.
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The first 3 rows of letters---------N-M-D==13
B-G-D==13
P-L-U==13
G-J--8 C-F--9
The letters represent numbers in Witchcraft Numerology. 3 is significant if you're a white witch.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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The first 3 rows of letters---------N-M-D==13
B-G-D==13
P-L-U==13
G-J--8 C-F--9
The letters represent numbers in Witchcraft Numerology. 3 is significant if you're a white witch.
Utter tripe and desperation!
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Hi mike, im a newbie.
Reading past posts there seems to be some bad feeling amongst some of you. I am going to make my own mind up and would like very much to see the note.
could i ask where you get all this information from please. I understand you were in p?ison with JB and have some of your own dealings with the police etc and have distrust of them.
Hello,
Yes, a lot of bad feeling, and I have been as guilty as some of them when it comes to dishing it out. But I have vowed to try and steer clear of the trouble makers by ignoring them until they learn to debate respectfully...
The information I provide is contained in my version of the case file, which consists of around 50,000 documents. I came into possessession of these after the failed 2002 appeal, when good friends of Jeremy's who had been holding them in storage in their garage, needed the room and were going to destroy them if no-one could be found to take possession of them. To cut a long story short, I volunteered to have them providing that they belonged to me, and I had to promise to make copies of any document requested by Jeremy which he might need for any new CCRC application. By and large we kept to this arrangement until the beginning of 2004, when I removed one of the photographs showing Sheila's body on the bed from a confidential police photographic album loaned to Ewen Smith who's solicitors office was based in Birmingham. The thing about this photograph is that it showed Sheila laid Flatt on her back on top of the bed with her head resting on the left hand pillow. The photographer who took this particular photograph must have been standing on the bedroom floor in the region of the bottom of the bed. The hem if her nightdress is ridden up to the top of her thighs in this photograph, she is not wearing panties, and when I first saw it in the photographic album, I was shocked to see that the police had taken such a photograph whereby her groin region was fully exposed for all to see. When I look at this photograph it reminds me of a soft porn picture. I never expected to see anything at all like that in the withheld police album. I can also tell you that in this photograph there is no blood in a triangular shape which appears later in the photographs taken of Sheila on the bedroom floor next to the bed. Additionally there is no blood running from the corners of her mouth, no blood which has looked in her left eye socket, and no diagonal blood running across her neck from any second bullet wound by that stage. There is no rifle at all on her body, there is no bible, there is no bloodied fingermarks on the front lower part of her nightdress. There is no evidence of aspirated blood in the chest region of her nightdress. There is no bloodied fingermarks on her throat at all. She is laid there, hem of nightdress risen, back of her head resting on the left hand pillow. Anyone seeing this photograph for the first time would think she must have been dead at this time, simply because of the nature of the photograph, since if the photographer had known she was not dead, what was he doing taking lewd photographs of a wounded suspect? I have since learned, confirmed by Jeremy himself that police at the scene took a series of these photographs using the bodies of victims as props in a side show. I believe police took a total of 78 such photographs with the intention of keeping copies for themselves like some sort of a trophy. Anyway, we don't yet know who took those 78 lewd photographs at the scene, the police have for 30 years kept a lid in the whole sordid affair. What they did was disrespectful and perverted. Yet none of these police perverts have ever been disciplined, or prosecuted. Now, when I first saw this photograph of Sheila in the bed, I realised straight away that there was something wring with her body being in top of the bed in that pose, minus the rifle, and only a small vertical run of blood down from a solitary wound in her throat, whereas, in later photographs taken when Sheila's body ends up on the bedroom floor by the edge of the bed, there is then an additional shot on her throat, with blood running horizontally across her neck, blood running from the corners of her mouth, blood has run out if her left nostril and run backwards and pooled into her left eye socket. There is now a rifle a top her body and someone has now arranged both her hands upon and around the gun as though she must have shot herself. There is now a bloodied fingermark around the source if a second wound under her chin, and evidence of freshly made aspirated blood on the upper front region of her nightdress, along with bloodied fingermarks in the front lower right hand side of her nightdress, all features which were not present in the earlier photograph they took of Sheila in the bed...
Jeremy Vamber did not shoot and kill his sister, and he had no involvement in stage managing her body on the bedroom floor to make it look like his sister had taken her own life - police themselves were responsible for doing all those things...
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Each letter in the alphabet has a number------------simple enough to work out,except that if you're a " white witch " like Sheila had told Helen Grimster that she was,then you'd understand the significance of both letters and numbers.
13 also means Rebellion. Which would also figure if this is what Sheila meant by being a white witch.
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13th letter of the alphabet is M.
Jeremy has an M in his name! :o :o :o
;D
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It doesn't work like that.
M--4.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
A B C D E F G H I
J K L M N O P Q R
S T U V W X Y Z.
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Oh no! I think I know what's coming next! :-\
If you add up together the 3's, it produces a total of 15, which equals the exact number 15 of the 25 bullets fired at the time of the killings via use of the anshuzt rifle, including the five double magazine marked rounds..,
I think Sheila intended to kill the other four victims and herself by use of 3 bullets a piece, but events took a turn for the worse, hence the use of the other .22 rifle (and the police ammunition) in the final scenario...
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It doesn't work like that.
M--4.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
A B C D E F G H I
J K L M N O P Q R
S T U V W X Y Z.
The 13th letter of the alphabet is M no matter what you try and force. You're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.
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Also, just as a matter of interest, note the use of the printed word, "PLEASE", toward the bottom of the coded note (first part of DRH/32), since the same handwritten word ( PLEASE) concludes the fresh note I am referring to, albeit it is handwritten in this latest note, whilst printed in the former example...
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Utter tripe and desperation!
Like Sheila you mean ? She was the white witch----------she wrote the note.I'm only trying to decipher it.Why not have a go yourself instead of forever mocking my bloody posts !!
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Like Sheila you mean ? She was the white witch----------she wrote the note.I'm only trying to decipher it.Why not have a go yourself instead of forever mocking my bloody posts !!
Because it only means something to the person that wrote it and we don't even know who that was. Anyway, this wasn't the note being discussed at the beginning of the thread???
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Because it only means something to the person that wrote it and we don't even know who that was. Anyway, this wasn't the note being discussed at the beginning of the thread???
I note you didn't remark to Scip when he put it up. ::) It's still a note whether you like it or not and is obviously relevant to the case as it was given an exhibit number.
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Like Sheila you mean ? She was the white witch----------she wrote the note.I'm only trying to decipher it.Why not have a go yourself instead of forever mocking my bloody posts !!
How on earth can you POSSIBLY know that Sheila wrote the words when you have only been TOLD that Sheila wrote the words by someone who'd been told that Sheila wrote the words. Given that no one involved knew her until after her death, how the hell do they KNOW she wrote the words?
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I note you didn't remark to Scip when he put it up. ::) It's still a note whether you like it or not and is obviously relevant to the case as it was given an exhibit number.
He wasn't talking about the content of the note and as usual, you missed the point he was making ;)
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How on earth can you POSSIBLY know that Sheila wrote the words when you have only been TOLD that Sheila wrote the words by someone who'd been told that Sheila wrote the words. Given that no one involved knew her until after her death, how the hell do they KNOW she wrote the words?
I'm wondering also how DRH/42 can represent the note initially described by Mike and also the one posted by Scip :o. The label only states 'handwritten note' but can't represent both notes!
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He wasn't talking about the content of the note and as usual, you missed the point he was making ;)
I didn't read his post I was eating my dinner.Still haven't read it,just saw the letters and tried to fathom them out,though I'm sorry I bothered as I only get ridiculed anyway.
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Hello,
Yes, a lot of bad feeling, and I have been as guilty as some of them when it comes to dishing it out. But I have vowed to try and steer clear of the trouble makers by ignoring them until they learn to debate respectfully...
The information I provide is contained in my version of the case file, which consists of around 50,000 documents. I came into possessession of these after the failed 2002 appeal, when good friends of Jeremy's who had been holding them in storage in their garage, needed the room and were going to destroy them if no-one could be found to take possession of them. To cut a long story short, I volunteered to have them providing that they belonged to me, and I had to promise to make copies of any document requested by Jeremy which he might need for any new CCRC application. By and large we kept to this arrangement until the beginning of 2004, when I removed one of the photographs showing Sheila's body on the bed from a confidential police photographic album loaned to Ewen Smith who's solicitors office was based in Birmingham. The thing about this photograph is that it showed Sheila laid Flatt on her back on top of the bed with her head resting on the left hand pillow. The photographer who took this particular photograph must have been standing on the bedroom floor in the region of the bottom of the bed. The hem if her nightdress is ridden up to the top of her thighs in this photograph, she is not wearing panties, and when I first saw it in the photographic album, I was shocked to see that the police had taken such a photograph whereby her groin region was fully exposed for all to see. When I look at this photograph it reminds me of a soft porn picture. I never expected to see anything at all like that in the withheld police album. I can also tell you that in this photograph there is no blood in a triangular shape which appears later in the photographs taken of Sheila on the bedroom floor next to the bed. Additionally there is no blood running from the corners of her mouth, no blood which has looked in her left eye socket, and no diagonal blood running across her neck from any second bullet wound by that stage. There is no rifle at all on her body, there is no bible, there is no bloodied fingermarks on the front lower part of her nightdress. There is no evidence of aspirated blood in the chest region of her nightdress. There is no bloodied fingermarks on her throat at all. She is laid there, hem of nightdress risen, back of her head resting on the left hand pillow. Anyone seeing this photograph for the first time would think she must have been dead at this time, simply because of the nature of the photograph, since if the photographer had known she was not dead, what was he doing taking lewd photographs of a wounded suspect? I have since learned, confirmed by Jeremy himself that police at the scene took a series of these photographs using the bodies of victims as props in a side show. I believe police took a total of 78 such photographs with the intention of keeping copies for themselves like some sort of a trophy. Anyway, we don't yet know who took those 78 lewd photographs at the scene, the police have for 30 years kept a lid in the whole sordid affair. What they did was disrespectful and perverted. Yet none of these police perverts have ever been disciplined, or prosecuted. Now, when I first saw this photograph of Sheila in the bed, I realised straight away that there was something wring with her body being in top of the bed in that pose, minus the rifle, and only a small vertical run of blood down from a solitary wound in her throat, whereas, in later photographs taken when Sheila's body ends up on the bedroom floor by the edge of the bed, there is then an additional shot on her throat, with blood running horizontally across her neck, blood running from the corners of her mouth, blood has run out if her left nostril and run backwards and pooled into her left eye socket. There is now a rifle a top her body and someone has now arranged both her hands upon and around the gun as though she must have shot herself. There is now a bloodied fingermark around the source if a second wound under her chin, and evidence of freshly made aspirated blood on the upper front region of her nightdress, along with bloodied fingermarks in the front lower right hand side of her nightdress, all features which were not present in the earlier photograph they took of Sheila in the bed...
Jeremy Vamber did not shoot and kill his sister, and he had no involvement in stage managing her body on the bedroom floor to make it look like his sister had taken her own life - police themselves were responsible for doing all those things...
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I didn't read his post I was eating my dinner.Still haven't read it,just saw the letters and tried to fathom them out,though I'm sorry I bothered as I only get ridiculed anyway.
Perhaps because when others had a go, you claimed (as though you knew) 'It doesn't work like that'. You're just guessing which is obviously all anyone can do with that note because no one here (or anywhere) knows what it means - if anything at all.
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I didn't read his post I was eating my dinner.Still haven't read it,just saw the letters and tried to fathom them out,though I'm sorry I bothered as I only get ridiculed anyway.
Lookout, AGES ago Mike presented us with this information and some of us spent several days trying to decipher/decode the letters.
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Lookout, AGES ago Mike presented us with this information and some of us spent several days trying to decipher/decode the letters.
Lookout was just talking about the same note a few weeks ago ;D ;D
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Sorry Mike im still trying to work out unsuccessfully at this moment how u highlight the post u want to reply to in the reply!
Do you have the times of when the photos were taken? Where in the sequence toes it fit.
Did you fall out with jeremy for taking the photo from the album and are you still in contact with him,
have you posted the photo you refer to on this forum as if so i could not find it.
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Lookout was just talking about the same note a few weeks ago ;D ;D
I still think the only -POSSIBLY!!!- authentic bit is the first part that Mike posted. Very clear given that it was difficult to read!!. It has NOTHING to do with Sheila writing to Christine because Sheila hadn't known her "all your life". IF it's authentic, I'm as convinced as I CAN be that it was June's musings about her mother's increasing frailty and the distress which sometimes accompanies it. To say Sheila wrote it when we have no previous examples of her handwriting is an assumption sweeping beyond belief.
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Lookout was just talking about the same note a few weeks ago ;D ;D
This wasn't the same note with the letters and 3's on it as a couple of weeks ago. That other drivel came from a clairvoyant,something which Colin was into.
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This wasn't the same note with the letters and 3's on it as a couple of weeks ago. That other drivel came from a clairvoyant,something which Colin was into.
Now WHY do you describe what Colin was into as "drivel" yet give importance to Sheila's(?) ramblings?
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Now WHY do you describe what Colin was into as "drivel" yet give importance to Sheila's(?) ramblings?
Sheila was also into clairvoyancy,as was JM. I don't happen to believe in it so that's why I called it drivel.
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Sheila was also into clairvoyancy,as was JM. I don't happen to believe in it so that's why I called it drivel.
Why are you so willing to accept that Sheila wrote any of what has been alleged she did? Remember the Monastery debacle?
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Why are you so willing to accept that Sheila wrote any of what has been alleged she did? Remember the Monastery debacle?
But I am NOT willing to accept that Sheila wrote anything,even what was scrawled inside the wardrobe.If you look at my first post on this thread,I stated that I DIDN'T believe it,but I noticed you'd written something to the effect that it was probably June writing about her own mother ? How do you know ? Do you know June's writing ? Did it say it was written by June ?
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But I am NOT willing to accept that Sheila wrote anything,even what was scrawled inside the wardrobe.If you look at my first post on this thread,I stated that I DIDN'T believe it,but I noticed you'd written something to the effect that it was probably June writing about her own mother ? How do you know ? Do you know June's writing ? Did it say it was written by June ?
Yes, Lookout, I DID see that you said you didn't believe it..................thought you'd changed your mind ;) :) You're correct in that I don't know June's writing -however, I did include the rider "IF it is authentic........................" I stand by, IF it is authentic, the words I commented on ARE NOT SHEILA'S. Far too much "fudging" would need to be done to make them so. Those particular words are relatively lucid and make sense. The rest appears to be cobbled together by a different person. I would not have thought it unusual to find June's spiritual musings in any of the bibles in the house.
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Yes, Lookout, I DID see that you said you didn't believe it..................thought you'd changed your mind ;) :) You're correct in that I don't know June's writing -however, I did include the rider "IF it is authentic........................" I stand by, IF it is authentic, the words I commented on ARE NOT SHEILA'S. Far too much "fudging" would need to be done to make them so. Those particular words are relatively lucid and make sense. The rest appears to be cobbled together by a different person. I would not have thought it unusual to find June's spiritual musings in any of the bibles in the house.
It has been said that June used to leave scraps of paper around the farmhouse that had biblical connotations,or verses/psalms on them,and maybe she used to write little " hints " with inclusions of morality for Sheila. June would never have survived this present century.
Unless I saw the notes in their entirety as a proper exhibit,then I don't believe anything.
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Sorry Mike im still trying to work out unsuccessfully at this moment how u highlight the post u want to reply to in the reply!
Do you have the times of when the photos were taken? Where in the sequence toes it fit.
Did you fall out with jeremy for taking the photo from the album and are you still in contact with him,
have you posted the photo you refer to on this forum as if so i could not find it.
Hi Notsure,
'You just click on quote' (top right of the post you wish to rely to or quote). Scroll down the the message until you see [/quote ] and post your message on the next line after that. Hope that helps?
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It has been said that June used to leave scraps of paper around the farmhouse that had biblical connotations,or verses/psalms on them,and maybe she used to write little " hints " with inclusions of morality for Sheila. June would never have survived this present century.
Unless I saw the notes in their entirety as a proper exhibit,then I don't believe anything.
Given the few times June and Sheila were in each other's company there must have been a library of them. I think it more likely that they were in preparation for bible study evenings. The notes in their entirety -how ever many they be(?)- are more likely to tell us who didn't write them than who did.
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This wasn't the same note with the letters and 3's on it as a couple of weeks ago. That other drivel came from a clairvoyant,something which Colin was into.
No, I no it's not. Mike started off talking about another note, that is the same note that was posted here last year when Jan and a few others were trying to decipher what it said. Scip posted the numbers and letters note.
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Sorry Mike im still trying to work out unsuccessfully at this moment how u highlight the post u want to reply to in the reply!
Do you have the times of when the photos were taken? Where in the sequence toes it fit.
Did you fall out with jeremy for taking the photo from the album and are you still in contact with him,
have you posted the photo you refer to on this forum as if so i could not find it.
On the top right side next to each post there is a "quote" button. If you click on it then it will quote the entire post. You can reduce the amount quoted by manually deleting any of the text you don't want quoted.
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This wasn't the same note with the letters and 3's on it as a couple of weeks ago. That other drivel came from a clairvoyant,something which Colin was into.
Mike misrepresented the letter he referred to in the first post of this thread as being DRH/42 which was found on Sheila's night stand. I posted the actual DRH/42 to show that is not the case.
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There were three parts of exhibit DRH/42, one of them was the note I am mentioning, another part was the coded message, and a third part was some undecipherable writings...
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Mike misrepresented the letter he referred to in the first post of this thread as being DRH/42 which was found on Sheila's night stand. I posted the actual DRH/42 to show that is not the case.
I know, I have tried to highlight it several times but as usual, no one wants to talk about the elephant in the room! ??? ???
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There were three parts of exhibit DRH/42, one of them was the note I am mentioning, another part was the coded message, and a third part was some undecipherable writings...
If that were the case than the description of DRH/42 would have noted it was several sheets plural found on her nightstand. Your deceptions are a total waste of time and just harm your credibility.
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There were three parts of exhibit DRH/42, one of them was the note I am mentioning, another part was the coded message, and a third part was some undecipherable writings...
No Mike I don't believe that is true .
We spent a lot of time deciphering those notes and they were not written by Sheila. Perhaps with all the documents you have seen you have become confused.
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No Mike I don't believe that is true .
We spent a lot of time deciphering those notes and they were not written by Sheila. Perhaps with all the documents you have seen you have become confused.
It is not confusion, he knows what he is doing and is doing so intentionally.
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It is not confusion, he knows what he is doing and is doing so intentionally.
well I hope you appreciate that I am not so biased as to go along with this - I know Shela did not write the longer note.
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Crikey this is getting weird
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Crikey this is getting weird
My advice is believe nothing you read, unless you see it backed up by a document...and if someone posts something that sounds outlandish and says it's from a document - check the actual document to see if it is really there.
When you're new to the case you can believe things that aren't true and because you have no reason not to believe them you store them away as fact.
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To be clear the note with numbers on and please please - is the exhibit
the other note was not written until after the murders .
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My advice is believe nothing you read, unless you see it backed up by a document...and if someone posts something that sounds outlandish and says it's from a document - check the actual document to see if it is really there.
When you're new to the case you can believe things that aren't true and because you have no reason not to believe them you store them away as fact.
We do try not to though :D
It does come with experience
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We do try not to though :D
It does come with experience
Happens to us all! I still kick myself for believing for the longest time the whole monestary story without actually checking it out for myself.
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Happens to us all! I still kick myself for believing for the longest time the whole monestary story without actually checking it out for myself.
Yes I agree with that one - although there was a source - the source was never verified therefore it has now become an urban myth.
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Yes I agree with that one - although there was a source - the source was never verified therefore it has now become an urban myth.
It was just a dodgy email with an AOL address - it read as though it were straight out of The De Vinci Code - not surprisingly, it was written the same year as the movie was released. Leg pulling tends to be a frequent aspect of this forum.
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My advice is believe nothing you read, unless you see it backed up by a document...and if someone posts something that sounds outlandish and says it's from a document - check the actual document to see if it is really there.
When you're new to the case you can believe things that aren't true and because you have no reason not to believe them you store them away as fact.
That's my advice too!!
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well I hope you appreciate that I am not so biased as to go along with this - I know Shela did not write the longer note.
I know you don't support Mike's claims. My point is simply that Mike was not confused he is intentionally spinning on this like he does other issues.
I don't understand why he does so in such blatant terms though. Since everyone already knows this was not from Sheila and wasn't the exhibit he claims why even bother lying about it? He should have known people would not be taken in by it.
He has also made the outlandish claim that Nevill didn't by 22LR rounds rather he purchased some different sized .22 caliber rounds. The rifle he bought was chambered in 22LR, why would he buy a different size of .22 caliber rounds than the type used by his rifle?
mike seems to be making any of his outlandish claims for attention- that or he intentionally is trying to further kill his credibility which makes no sense at all. He could garner attention in other ways...
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Hi Mat
I did exactly that for about 2 years everything that was on the OS I thought must be true I believed every word of it now I am more selective about what I believe.
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Hi Mat
I did exactly that for about 2 years everything that was on the OS I thought must be true I believed every word of it now I am more selective about what I believe.
Hey Susan!
Bloody hell! Believing the Official site is terrible! ;D Surprised you didn't come off there believing in Father Christmas! ;D
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Hey Susan!
Bloody hell! Believing the Official site is terrible! ;D Surprised you didn't come off there believing in Father Christmas! ;D
He's not real? :o :( :'(
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He's not real? :o :(
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hey Susan!
Bloody hell! Believing the Official site is terrible! ;D Surprised you didn't come off there believing in Father Christmas! ;D
Mat I believed every word said on that site :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( it was so convincing ;D