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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: nugnug on May 28, 2015, 10:33:PM
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this is somthing ive allways suspected.
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this is somthing ive allways suspected.
Nobody has any idea and it matters not a jot
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well its not relvant to the case really just wonder weather rwbs suspicions might of actully been true.
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I don't think so. RWB was hoping to get them in a clinch to add to all the other tripe that was written by him.
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How would anyone possibly know this? Personally, I doubt it - I think JM hinted at it but I think she was a bit jealous of his friendship with Brett.
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did him and jeremy both meet in newzealand.
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did him and jeremy both meet in newzealand.
Yes, I think so.
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thats what makes my supicious they were more than just friends bret vcoming all the way over here.
and then going straght back to newzealend after the conviction. like there was nothing for him here anymore
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Don't know, don't care.
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Jeremy was into women, there is no evidence that he was into men and, even if he was it means nothing... ;D
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thats what makes my supicious they were more than just friends bret vcoming all the way over here.
and then going straght back to newzealend after the conviction. like there was nothing for him here anymore
He probably didn't want to get roped in.
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this is somthing ive allways suspected.
Jeremy was still pursuing women at the time. Jeremy told Julie he was ugly. So what makes you think they were lovers?
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What's ugly got to do with anything ? Honestly,you'll make anything up. ::)
Elton John's no oil painting,but it didn't stop him from bagging David Furnish.
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What's ugly got to do with anything ? Honestly,you'll make anything up. ::)
Elton John's no oil painting,but it didn't stop him from bagging David Furnish.
So you think he was more then friends with Brett Collins?
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So you think he was more then friends with Brett Collins?
Not necessarily.I didn't say that. I was inferring to what Scipio had " made up " in his own mind,as per.
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Not necessarily.I didn't say that. I was inferring to what Scipio had " made up " in his own mind,as per.
I think he'll be able to back up his claim!
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well julie thought they were and so did rwb.
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Nugs,what they had to say,I'd have taken with a very large pinch of salt--------in fact a bucket of it.
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well yes it was only there suspicion it might of been completly groundless.
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Like the bicycle and the hitman.
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well julie thought they were and so did rwb.
Yes but am pretty sure Julie was very jealous of Brett and RWB saw homosexuality as a sin therefore Jeremy had to be partaking. :-\
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I also think that Jeremy set this " friendship " up to slowly break loose from Julie. It would have appeared that she had become a bit too possessive and Jeremy obviously didn't want to be tied down.
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I also think that Jeremy set this " friendship " up to slowly break loose from Julie. It would have appeared that she had become a bit too possessive and Jeremy obviously didn't want to be tied down.
Not now he thought the inheritance was in the bag!
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Not now he thought the inheritance was in the bag!
Inheritance ?. An excuse used by hundreds,sadly,not true. Call that evidence ? Is that all the police had too ? Sad sods.
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Inheritance ?. An excuse used by hundreds,sadly,not true. Call that evidence ? Is that all the police had too ? Sad sods.
I would raise your hundreds to 'thousands' Lookout as opposed to the few supporters who still believe he 'might' be innocent.
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Yes but am pretty sure Julie was very jealous of Brett and RWB saw homosexuality as a sin therefore Jeremy had to be partaking. :-\
Hello Maggie
an article appeared in the Guardian about a Brett Collins from New Zealand this was in the eighties and he was involved in an organisation supporting getting Justice for people. Have not got a clue if this is the same Brett will try and find it again but don't hold your breath I am still on photo's hahahaha
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I would raise your hundreds to 'thousands' Lookout as opposed to the few supporters who still believe he 'might' be innocent.
Sounding that desperate doesn't do it for me at all. " Might " isn't a word I'd have used either. It spells uncertainty you see. ;D
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Hello Maggie
an article appeared in the Guardian about a Brett Collins from New Zealand this was in the eighties and he was involved in an organisation supporting getting Justice for people. Have not got a clue if this is the same Brett will try and find it again but don't hold your breath I am still on photo's hahahaha
Just been on Google and I guess he is not the same Brett but read where Brett did say Jeremy did have relationships with males as well as females :'(
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Not necessarily.I didn't say that. I was inferring to what Scipio had " made up " in his own mind,as per.
Ooooh!! Guess what? I've just seen that "Lookout" can be used in place of Scipio :D :D :D
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Hello Maggie
an article appeared in the Guardian about a Brett Collins from New Zealand this was in the eighties and he was involved in an organisation supporting getting Justice for people. Have not got a clue if this is the same Brett will try and find it again but don't hold your breath I am still on photo's hahahaha
Thanks, susan yes, I remember that Brett Collins, seems there are a few around of about the right age. ;)
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Thanks, susan yes, I remember that Brett Collins, seems there are a few around of about the right age. ;)
Yeah, that B. Collins has not got a middle name called Eric. ;)
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Yeah, that B. Collins has not got a middle name called Eric. ;)
Really ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Not necessarily.I didn't say that. I was inferring to what Scipio had " made up " in his own mind,as per.
I didn't make up anything. He told Julie that Brett was ugly:
(http://s18.postimg.org/3xc4tlvuh/brett.jpg)
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It looks like unattractive to me,not ugly. Bit of a difference,though you do like to exaggerate.
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It looks like unattractive to me,not ugly. Bit of a difference,though you do like to exaggerate.
They are synonyms, ugly is just more blunt. It is kinder to say unattractive instead of horse face.
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I didn't make up anything. He told Julie that Brett was ugly:
(http://s18.postimg.org/3xc4tlvuh/brett.jpg)
well he would say that wouldent hes not going to tell his girlfriend if his atracted to another man.
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well he would say that wouldent hes not going to tell his girlfriend if his atracted to another man.
Nugnug quite right but I don't think Brett was that bad quite angelic in my eyes ;D
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well he would say that wouldent hes not going to tell his girlfriend if his atracted to another man.
He admitted it about the other guy who he was so fond of he kept a picture. in the meantime if he were messing around with Brett he would not ask her why she didn't suspect anything. I have never cheated on a girlfriend/wife but if I were cheating with a woman I spent a lot of time with I sure as hell would not say to my girlfriend/wife why don't you suspect anything is going on between us since we spend so much time together. No cheater is going to light the fire like that unless they are planning to say they are cheating with such person and want to run away with them.
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So Julie accepted that Jeremy had a gay relationship - but then dobbed him in when she found out about Liz.
she is a strange one.
Or did that all nicely tie in with the police and family wanting to portray him as a "ponce"
One day we might find out.
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He admitted it about the other guy who he was so fond of he kept a picture. in the meantime if he were messing around with Brett he would not ask her why she didn't suspect anything. I have never cheated on a girlfriend/wife but if I were cheating with a woman I spent a lot of time with I sure as hell would not say to my girlfriend/wife why don't you suspect anything is going on between us since we spend so much time together. No cheater is going to light the fire like that unless they are planning to say they are cheating with such person and want to run away with them.
Well, Jeremy has been described as a 'tease' and not just in a fun way. He probably said it to taunt as opposed to there being any real relationship between him and Brett. Julie certainly seemed uncomfortable with their friendship - and a little jealous.
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I didn't make up anything. He told Julie that Brett was ugly:
(http://s18.postimg.org/3xc4tlvuh/brett.jpg)
To be fair Scip, Julie actually said Brett was ugly/unattractive (although from his picture, he's not that bad) and Jeremy just agreed. It does sound as though she was trying to influence him because maybe she was worried? Like I said before, when she talks about Brett, there does seem to be some jealousy. I don't believe Jeremy and Brett were anything more than friends - but I think Julie might have thought there were?
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did the police ever qustion brett
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To make them " more than just friends " all added to the circumstantial evidence and vilification of Jeremy which was the main aim in this case. Anything that hinted of unscrupulousness was jotted down in the " diary " of events.
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did the police ever qustion brett
Nugnug Police did question Brett but he was not considered a suspect as he was in Greece at the time of the murders.
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did the police ever qustion brett
Yes, he was arrested with Jeremy when they came back from holiday.
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To make them " more than just friends " all added to the circumstantial evidence and vilification of Jeremy which was the main aim in this case. Anything that hinted of unscrupulousness was jotted down in the " diary " of events.
How does having gay tendencies add to him being 'unscrupulous'?
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How does having gay tendencies add to him being 'unscrupulous'?
This was RWB's attitude,and you know it. RWB hired a private detective to " spy " on the pair of them,probably hoping for a " juicy video " to add to his collection of fairy stories ( pun ) ;D oh dear,lol.
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This was RWB's attitude,and you know it. RWB hired a private detective to " spy " on the pair of them,probably hoping for a " juicy video " to add to his collection of fairy stories ( pun ) ;D oh dear,lol.
Probably not! He wasn't looking to catch Jeremy and Brett together at all - he wanted to find out about BC's backgground. Nothing more!!
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Probably not! He wasn't looking to catch Jeremy and Brett together at all - he wanted to find out about BC's backgground. Nothing more!!
What was wrong in asking the guy outright ? He couldn't very well though,could he as RWB suspected him too.How desperate he must have been,especially if he'd heard EP mention that they had NOTHING on Jeremy.
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To be fair Scip, Julie actually said Brett was ugly/unattractive (although from his picture, he's not that bad) and Jeremy just agreed. It does sound as though she was trying to influence him because maybe she was worried? Like I said before, when she talks about Brett, there does seem to be some jealousy. I don't believe Jeremy and Brett were anything more than friends - but I think Julie might have thought there were?
She said that Jeremy asked her why she didn't think that he and Brett were having a gay relationship. If Jeremy were actually having such a relationship with Brett he would not have asked her that. In the meantime he didn't speak about Brett in the affectionate manner he spoke about Ray.
What she didn't like about Brett was that he was constantly with them so they did't have much alone time it is the age old story of "spouses" wanting more time to themselves with their loved one. They wanted to party everyday while she didn't. They probably acted like idiots around each other and brought out their immaturity even more and since together so much it means they acted that way constantly. She didn't like that. I had party animal friends but I would only hang out with them occasionally because you can only tolerate so much of that crap it gets old really fast and is just the same old. That seems to be how she felt. If you are dating one of the party animals that presents some real problems.
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She said that Jeremy asked her why she didn't think that he and Brett were having a gay relationship. If Jeremy were actually having such a relationship with Brett he would not have asked her that. In the meantime he didn't speak about Brett in the affectionate manner he spoke about Ray.
What she didn't like about Brett was that he was constantly with them so they did't have much alone time it is the age old story of "spouses" wanting more time to themselves with their loved one. They wanted to party everyday while she didn't. They probably acted like idiots around each other and brought out their immaturity even more and since together so much it means they acted that way constantly. She didn't like that. I had party animal friends but I would only hang out with them occasionally because you can only tolerate so much of that crap it gets old really fast and is just the same old. That seems to be how she felt. If you are dating one of the party animals that presents some real problems.
What she witnessed MAY have been an emotional infidelity that she felt wasn't a part of/being left out of. Sometimes it's easier to forgive a quick s!!!w because it involves less.
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The way Jeremy and his friends were persecuted wouldn't have gone down too well today, as police called them poofs and queers.
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What she witnessed MAY have been an emotional infidelity that she felt wasn't a part of/being left out of. Sometimes it's easier to forgive a quick s!!!w because it involves less.
"Emotional infidelity" usually features relying on someone else for emotional support.
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What she witnessed MAY have been an emotional infidelity that she felt wasn't a part of/being left out of. Sometimes it's easier to forgive a quick s!!!w because it involves less.
I agree April, have always thought Julie struggled with the obvious closeness of Brett and Jeremy, she may have felt abandoned by Jeremy and felt that 3 was a crowd which is a very difficult situation. Can understand how she may have felt angry and jealous.
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"Emotional infidelity" usually features relying on someone else for emotional support.
Yeh, same sex platonic relationships CAN be intensely powerful. Things can get shared that aren't always shared with opposite sex partners. It tends not to be the case with successful and powerful men. It's been my experience that they tend to see other males as potential rivals as opposed to friends and don't feel able to reveal what they see as weaknesses. Conversations rarely touch on intimate topics.
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Yeh, same sex platonic relationships CAN be intensely powerful. Things can get shared that aren't always shared with opposite sex partners. It tends not to be the case with successful and powerful men. It's been my experience that they tend to see other males as potential rivals as opposed to friends and don't feel able to reveal what they see as weaknesses. Conversations rarely touch on intimate topics.
I remember Brett stating that Jeremy was very up and down, happy and then shedding tears, of course it depends if you believe him guilty then Brett may have been playing the game along with him but if innocent it may have been that Jeremy found Brett less intrusive than Julie may have been ? :-\
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I remember Brett stating that Jeremy was very up and down, happy and then shedding tears, of course it depends if you believe him guilty then Brett may have been playing the game along with him but if innocent it may have been that Jeremy found Brett less intrusive than Julie may have been ? :-\
And it possibly had to do with what he was taking or drinking!!! However, it's likely that Brett had a more acceptable approach than Julie, to whatever his mood was.
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I agree April, have always thought Julie struggled with the obvious closeness of Brett and Jeremy, she may have felt abandoned by Jeremy and felt that 3 was a crowd which is a very difficult situation. Can understand how she may have felt angry and jealous.
That's not a feeling of emotional infidelity though which features people upset their loved ones turn to others for emotional comfort instead of turning to them.
It's more of a situation of her feeling this scumbag who her significant other was partying with day and night was making him act immaturely all the time and preventing him from spending time properly wooing her.
Oddly enough since I refused to party all the time with my party animal friends their girlfriends/fiance's would turn to me with their problems which included complaining about how immature they were and wanting to go party with their buds instead of spending more time alone with them. It cuts the other way too, men complaining about women who always want to party with their girlfriends instead of spending time alone with them.
there are only 2 things that happen when these conflicts happen-
1) they break up
2) the partier decides to give up the party lifestyle because they don't want to lose their love done.
Most of the time the former happens, far down the road partiers will finally grow up and realize what they lost and regret it.
A few girls I know are now in their 40s want to find a nice guy to settle down with but are having a hard time. For 2 decades they passed up the nice guys for wild funloving guys who they just messed around with. The nice guys either are already taken, got used to being single and like it and no longer want to marry or are at the stage where now they decided to try playing the field since they passed it up when young.
Jeremy didn't party enough when young for his tastes he killed his family so he could party every night. Julie didn't want that she wanted him to grow up. It is obvious why their relationship ended. The murders put a strain on their relationship not just because of the horrible nature of it, but because of the freedom to party all day and night that resulted.
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That's not a feeling of emotional infidelity though which features people upset their loved ones turn to others for emotional comfort instead of turning to them.
It's more of a situation of her feeling this scumbag who her significant other was partying with day and night was making him act immaturely all the time and preventing him from spending time properly wooing her.
That's a matter of opinion surely?
As I said it depends whether JB was innocent and guilty and you are obviously looking at it from a guilty perspective but if innocent it would have been a different situation, surely?
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I agree April, have always thought Julie struggled with the obvious closeness of Brett and Jeremy, she may have felt abandoned by Jeremy and felt that 3 was a crowd which is a very difficult situation. Can understand how she may have felt angry and jealous.
People can be very jealous of relationships even if they are platonic.
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People can be very jealous of relationships even if they are platonic.
They can pose a far greater threat than a sexual one...........the bonds are usually much stronger.
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To be perfectly honest,Brett was probably more sympathetic and understanding of Jeremy's situation than Julie,who would have made certain demands upon him,unlike Brett who was purely there to offer his support,no strings attached. Jeremy knew he could tell Brett anything that wouldn't have ended in a first class row at a time like that.
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To be perfectly honest,Brett was probably more sympathetic and understanding of Jeremy's situation than Julie,who would have made certain demands upon him,unlike Brett who was purely there to offer his support,no strings attached. Jeremy knew he could tell Brett anything that wouldn't have ended in a first class row at a time like that.
Well, not quite 'everything' Lookout! ;)
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Was brett ever interviewed for any of the earlier books?
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Was brett ever interviewed for any of the earlier books?
No idea.
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I will ask Adam when he comes back - I need a word with him .
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That's a matter of opinion surely?
As I said it depends whether JB was innocent and guilty and you are obviously looking at it from a guilty perspective but if innocent it would have been a different situation, surely?
Why is it contingent on his guilt? Julie's statements make it clear she felt he was being immature with his party pal and that she didn't like it and that they broke up as a result of this among other things. The party she complained about happened regardless of whether he was guilty or not. She said he had not spoken to her about marriage in ages (they had previously been engaged) and complained about his just wanting to have fun.
I see the partying all the time as the problem not Brett Collins being gay and trying to get Jeremy to have an affair with him. If they were having a gay affair it would not matter at all to the murders but I don't see that from the evidence in front of us. Since it has no bearing on the murders I don't even know why people care.
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I think because RB made a thing about Brett being a homosexual and by inference Jeremy was associated with him. Also the police called Jeremy politically incorrect names - so if he is innocent people think it was just something extra that was used to "blacken" his name.
I know it would not now - but it did seem in the 80s it mattered to EP and it mattered to the family.
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Why is it contingent on his guilt? Julie's statements make it clear she felt he was being immature with his party pal and that she didn't like it and that they broke up as a result of this among other things. The party she complained about happened regardless of whether he was guilty or not. She said he had not spoken to her about marriage in ages (they had previously been engaged) and complained about his just wanting to have fun.
I see the partying all the time as the problem not Brett Collins being gay and trying to get Jeremy to have an affair with him. If they were having a gay affair it would not matter at all to the murders but I don't see that from the evidence in front of us. Since it has no bearing on the murders I don't even know why people care.
I agree it has no bearing on the case and it's none of my business what their relationship was. The intolerant narrow minded bigotry of some is quite shocking although not unusual at that time. I was just expressing an opinion as you do at length all the time.
If commenting on their relationship it does depend which perspective you approach it from, whether you believe Jeremy was 'partying' or trying to cope.
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it is slightly relvant in that its relvant to the judgment of rwb if his judment was right in this case it makes his judgment of jeremy being is a bit more credible but if his judgment was wrong on that means his judgments qustionable.
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To be perfectly honest,Brett was probably more sympathetic and understanding of Jeremy's situation than Julie,who would have made certain demands upon him,unlike Brett who was purely there to offer his support,no strings attached. Jeremy knew he could tell Brett anything that wouldn't have ended in a first class row at a time like that.
Collins ran there knowing Jeremy was going to inherit everything figuring they could party like mad. His supported seemed to consist of being a party pal and helping Jeremy try to sell things to fund their partying.
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Collins ran there knowing Jeremy was going to inherit everything figuring they could party like mad. His supported seemed to consist of being a party pal and helping Jeremy try to sell things to fund their partying.
Not at all. Jeremy needed to sell items in order to lighten the burden of having to pay inheritance tax which can leave a large hole in whatever's left after probate,etc. If he could have got rid of a lot of unwanted antiques,then it would have helped. Jeremy nor the workers would have been receiving any wages at the time as probate can take 4 months and longer and everyone involved still had bills to pay,etc.
He wouldn't have been selling items just for the fun of going partying. Until you've been in such a situation yourself,then you can't judge others.
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Not at all. Jeremy needed to sell items in order to lighten the burden of having to pay inheritance tax which can leave a large hole in whatever's left after probate,etc. If he could have got rid of a lot of unwanted antiques,then it would have helped. Jeremy nor the workers would have been receiving any wages at the time as probate can take 4 months and longer and everyone involved still had bills to pay,etc.
He wouldn't have been selling items just for the fun of going partying. Until you've been in such a situation yourself,then you can't judge others.
Are you suggesting that the business was on the brink of insolvency!!!? I feel perfectly certain that blocks weren't put on the business accounts. Unless Jeremy had received instructions from the company accountants and/or family solicitor to the contrary, there was no need for him to have done anything but all those holidays -here and abroad-, partying, a holiday for Julie, buying drugs, would hardly have been appropriate things to put in requests for. Probate and death duties WEREN'T an immediate concern for him and such monies as would have been required to meet these were unlikely to have been raised by selling a few antiques. However the selling of such would certainly provide an immediate jolly.
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had he booked these holidays before the murders or did he make the decisn afterwards
i mean the wages he was on he could still have aforded those holidays.
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Are you suggesting that the business was on the brink of insolvency!!!? I feel perfectly certain that blocks weren't put on the business accounts. Unless Jeremy had received instructions from the company accountants and/or family solicitor to the contrary, there was no need for him to have done anything but all those holidays -here and abroad-, partying, a holiday for Julie, buying drugs, would hardly have been appropriate things to put in requests for. Probate and death duties WEREN'T an immediate concern for him and such monies as would have been required to meet these were unlikely to have been raised by selling a few antiques. However the selling of such would certainly provide an immediate jolly.
I'm NOT suggesting anything of the sort.Why do you ask ?
It's normal for banks to put everything on hold until probate has been sorted,if,as I imagine,the will had been a complicated one.
Jeremy had to meet all costs,including the funerals, flowers,cars,etc.
My word,you have painted him in a very misunderstanding light.
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Not at all. Jeremy needed to sell items in order to lighten the burden of having to pay inheritance tax which can leave a large hole in whatever's left after probate,etc. If he could have got rid of a lot of unwanted antiques,then it would have helped. Jeremy nor the workers would have been receiving any wages at the time as probate can take 4 months and longer and everyone involved still had bills to pay,etc.
He wouldn't have been selling items just for the fun of going partying. Until you've been in such a situation yourself,then you can't judge others.
The inheritance tax excuse makes me laugh. Why would he be paying inheritance tax when he hadn't inherited anything at that point? You don't pay anything until everything is signed and sealed - then (usually) the solicitor or executor sorts it out. Probate takes months - there was no rush! However, I don't St Tropez is cheap! He was selling things for ready cash - it's also why he must have been searching out his dad's wallet. Fun and partying were the main thing of his mind - most likely why he dropped Julie and preferred to hang out with Brett - he was up for a good time.
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The inheritance tax excuse makes me laugh. Why would he be paying inheritance tax when he hadn't inherited anything at that point? You don't pay anything until everything is signed and sealed - then (usually) the solicitor or executor sorts it out. Probate takes months - there was no rush! However, I don't St Tropez is cheap! He was selling things for ready cash - it's also why he must have been searching out his dad's wallet. Fun and partying were the main thing of his mind - most likely why he dropped Julie and preferred to hang out with Brett - he was up for a good time.
It was inheritance tax on the WHOLE-------------not just his. ::) Properties and farmlands.
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I'm NOT suggesting anything of the sort.Why do you ask ?
It's normal for banks to put everything on hold until probate has been sorted,if,as I imagine,the will had been a complicated one.
Jeremy had to meet all costs,including the funerals, flowers,cars,etc.
My word,you have painted him in a very misunderstanding light.
Unless you hadn't noticed Lookout, he's a convicted killer - nothing anyone can say about him here, hasn't been said before.
The business was still in operation, the banks would not put a hold on the business account, so he had that to fall back on should he have needed to. He wasn't struggling to make ends meet and you don't pay for the funeral until the bill comes in which can be several weeks after. This didn't seem to worry Jeremy and he had enough to pay for a holiday to St. Tropez for both him and Brett and also to give Julie £200.00 for a holiday of her own.
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It was inheritance tax on the WHOLE-------------not just his. ::) Properties and farmlands.
I think you need to explain what you mean in more detail Lookout because that looks like another sweeping statement. You only pay Inheritance tax on what YOU inherit and only then, if it is over the set threshold, so I have no idea what you're talking about?
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Unless Neville had been a shrewd businessman and used " off-shore " accounts to side-track some of his wealth,then he'd have come in for a hefty tax bill. Poor man didn't have time to make any allowances for what the government steal from you when you're dead,let alone when you're alive.
I've been through all this,so I know.
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Unless Neville had been a shrewd businessman and used " off-shore " accounts to side-track some of his wealth,then he'd have come in for a hefty tax bill. Poor man didn't have time to make any allowances for what the government steal from you when you're dead,let alone when you're alive.
I've been through all this,so I know.
Lookout, I'm aware that you have and you've also met hundreds like Colin and June reminds you of your own mother. OF COURSE Jeremy wasn't needing money to pay wages, bills, funeral expenses for funerals which had only JUST happened, death duties and inheritance tax. Jeremy wouldn't have had to deal with ANY of it anyway. The accountant was the person who would have dealt with it and it is he who would have advised Jeremy and I feel perfectly certain that Neville would have been advised of how to ensure the government received as little as possible of his hard eared money.
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Unless Neville had been a shrewd businessman and used " off-shore " accounts to side-track some of his wealth,then he'd have come in for a hefty tax bill. Poor man didn't have time to make any allowances for what the government steal from you when you're dead,let alone when you're alive.
I've been through all this,so I know.
We know how much he was to inherit Lookout - the threshold then was about £67,000. So, he had to pay IT on top pf the £67,000. The sum total on what he was about to inherit would have been around £80,000. However, not all assets are subject to IT - a business for instance! I believe (although I could be wrong) that IT is only payable on the inheritance of personal wealth? Part of the probate items would have been the items he was selling, but rather than save that money for the funerals or IT - Jeremy went off to St. Tropez?? Yeah, he was really worried about IT wasn't he? ;D ;D ;D ;D
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We know how much he was to inherit Lookout - the threshold then was about £67,000. So, he had to pay IT on top pf the £67,000. The sum total on what he was about to inherit would have been around £80,000. However, not all assets are subject to IT - a business for instance! I believe (although I could be wrong) that IT is only payable on the inheritance of personal wealth? Part of the probate items would have been the items he was selling, but rather than save that money for the funerals or IT - Jeremy went off to St. Tropez?? Yeah, he was really worried about IT wasn't he? ;D ;D ;D ;D
His exploits don't mean a thing to me.I'm NOT interested in such fripperies. It was his to spend how he pleased and what a good job he did what he did at the time,given this last 30 years. ;D ;D
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He ended up washing dishes anyway to pay for his pleasures.
I don't find anything sinister in what he did at all.He wouldn't have given a thought about the timing of it,nor the displeasing effect it would have had on others because it wasn't he who had anything to hide.
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He ended up washing dishes anyway to pay for his pleasures.
I don't find anything sinister in what he did at all.He wouldn't have given a thought about the timing of it,nor the displeasing effect it would have had on others because it wasn't he who had anything to hide.
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His exploits don't mean a thing to me.I'm NOT interested in such fripperies. It was his to spend how he pleased and what a good job he did what he did at the time,given this last 30 years. ;D ;D
Well, you've changed your tune. You just said this morning that he wanted to sell the items in order to pay IT (or death duties) and how he wasn't selling the items to party and have a good time. Now it's been pointed out that the IT is basically BS, you're saying you don't care what he wanted the money for. However, it wasn't his to spend, he hadn't inherited anything at that point and given that he killed his family, he wasn't entitled to any of it.
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He ended up washing dishes anyway to pay for his pleasures.
I don't find anything sinister in what he did at all.He wouldn't have given a thought about the timing of it,nor the displeasing effect it would have had on others because it wasn't he who had anything to hide.
No, I don't suppose you do. :o
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Well, you've changed your tune. You just said this morning that he wanted to sell the items in order to pay IT (or death duties) and how he wasn't selling the items to party and have a good time. Now it's been pointed out that the IT is basically BS, you're saying you don't care what he wanted the money for. However, it wasn't his to spend, he hadn't inherited anything at that point and given that he killed his family, he wasn't entitled to any of it.
The claims he was selling things for IT is clearly bogus, just not believable.
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The claims he was selling things for IT is clearly bogus, just not believable.
Unless he had to pay the inheritance tax in St. Tropez? ;D ;D ;D
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Unless he had to pay the inheritance tax in St. Tropez? ;D ;D ;D
And a lot quicker than any of us would have to. What taxman wasn't about to be banging on his door no matter what Bamber says.
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The claims he was selling things for IT is clearly bogus, just not believable.
He had death duties to pay and Cock allowed sales to pay of the debt, that is fact Mat.
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He had death duties to pay and Cock allowed sales to pay of the debt, that is fact Mat.
Death duties aren't payable until after probate and they were no where near that. Jeremy may have asked BC if he could sell things for that reason but he ended up in St. Tropez - that's a fact! ;)
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Compare prices of St Tropez as they were then to what they are now------------a Hell of a difference,and he washed dishes to help fund his stay,which wasn't in a 5* hotel.
When you talk of St Tropez,you tend to think of present day costs,whether on purpose I don't know, just to add to his indomitable flair for all things luxurious I suppose--------except that he stayed there in a caravan. ;D
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He had death duties to pay and Cock allowed sales to pay of the debt, that is fact Mat.
Yes, that is a fact. It also has nothing to do with what I said though.
How much were these death duties?
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Anyway,Jeremy was hounded by the press at that time and his only means of escape was to go abroad for respite and relief away from them. I don't see the problem.
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Anyway,Jeremy was hounded by the press at that time and his only means of escape was to go abroad for respite and relief away from them. I don't see the problem.
But you wouldn't, Lookout.
You're not only a supporter, you're a FOB. (Fan Of Bamber)
That's why today you've kept posting "I don't see the problem." No matter the issue or topic! ;D
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Anyway,Jeremy was hounded by the press at that time and his only means of escape was to go abroad for respite and relief away from them. I don't see the problem.
It wasn't his only means of escape. It was the one he chose. Quiet and inconspicuous dignity might have solved his problem.
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Anyway,Jeremy was hounded by the press at that time and his only means of escape was to go abroad for respite and relief away from them. I don't see the problem.
Was he?
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At least Jeremy's previous crimes ( drugs and the caravan park theft ) didn't have to be prised out of him.He quite willingly admitted to having marijuana on him when first arrested,so he wasn't backwards in coming forwards over admitting those things,the same as he would have been over the murders had it been him. He was just one of those people who couldn't keep anything to himself,this is why there's been no admission this past 30 years because he simply didn't do it and I believe him.
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Was he?
Yes,he was indeed. It was a constant intrusion in his life which would drive anyone crackers.
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At least Jeremy's previous crimes ( drugs and the caravan park theft ) didn't have to be prised out of him.He quite willingly admitted to having marijuana on him when first arrested,so he wasn't backwards in coming forwards over admitting those things,the same as he would have been over the murders had it been him. He was just one of those people who couldn't keep anything to himself,this is why there's been no admission this past 30 years because he simply didn't do it and I believe him.
Nothing there, then, about admitting to the lesser crime in order to divert attention from the greater one.
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Nothing there, then, about admitting to the lesser crime in order to divert attention from the greater one.
Of course he wasn't.
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Nothing there, then, about admitting to the lesser crime in order to divert attention from the greater one.
Although if you're arrested with weed on you..admitting you've got it on you is quite obvious when they are going to find it anyway, you've been arrested afterall..
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Yes,he was indeed. It was a constant intrusion in his life which would drive anyone crackers.
I don't think he was Lookout.
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In fact, do you know how the press (particularly The Sun) found out he was a suspect in the murders? (here's one for the conspiracy theorists who thought EP were in cahoots with The Sun ;D)
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Death duties aren't payable until after probate and they were no where near that. Jeremy may have asked BC if he could sell things for that reason but he ended up in St. Tropez - that's a fact! ;)
It is pretty obvious he was trying to get money for his partying. His illicit drug actions obviously weren't very lucrative if even going on still at that point and he wasn't given money from the estate yet so he did things like try to sell things belonging to other family members including Sheila's photos. My guess is that he was no longer getting paid a salary from WHF either so that also would present money issues.
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It is pretty obvious he was trying to get money for his partying. His illicit drug actions obviously weren't very lucrative if even going on still at that point and he wasn't given money from the estate yet so he did things like try to sell things belonging to other family members including Sheila's photos. My guess is that he was no longer getting paid a salary from WHF either so that also would present money issues.
I certainly think so. The Death Duties weren't imminent so it's just an excuse.
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In fact, do you know how the press (particularly The Sun) found out he was a suspect in the murders? (here's one for the conspiracy theorists who thought EP were in cahoots with The Sun ;D)
Anyone?
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I certainly think so. The Death Duties weren't imminent so it's just an excuse.
Whether such taxes were imminent or not, if he had been trying to save money for such then he would have been saving his money not running around wasting all of it on entertainment.
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Of course he wasn't.
How can anyone in their right mind compare a bit of weed to a mass killing ? If Jeremy had been asked at the time to kill one person,he'd have been mortified. He probably felt the same when he was shooting rabbits or squirrels.If he ever shot any.I've yet to find that out,as when he and Sheila accompanied shooting parties,they were beaters. Target practice was his heavy,I think. A row of empty tin cans.
He possibly killed rats,but bunnies and squirrels---------no.
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Whether such taxes were imminent or not, if he had been trying to save money for such then he would have been saving his money not running around wasting all of it on entertainment.
Well, I could have understood a a quick caravan trip to Cornwall - but not St. Tropez. I mean come'on ;D ;D ;D
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How can anyone in their right mind compare a bit of weed to a mass killing ? If Jeremy had been asked at the time to kill one person,he'd have been mortified. He probably felt the same when he was shooting rabbits or squirrels.If he ever shot any.I've yet to find that out,as when he and Sheila accompanied shooting parties,they were beaters. Target practice was his heavy,I think. A row of empty tin cans.
He possibly killed rats,but bunnies and squirrels---------no.
He wasn't asked, he planned it and carried it out himself.
For some reason your last comment brought the song 'Whistle a Happy Tune' to mind and I swear I saw a animated blue bird fly past! ;D ;D ::)
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Bunnies ? He says himself he went out with the rifle to shoot rabbits.
You are forgetting he may have smuggled heroin. A very serious crime.
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He wasn't asked, he planned it and carried it out himself.
For some reason your last comment brought the song 'Whistle a Happy Tune' to mind and I swear I saw a animated blue bird fly past! ;D ;D ::)
No,he was no good at planning anything. I think he was the type to have jumped from one thing to another. He wasn't a " sit down and work it out " type. He was too fond of his party life-style to bother about anything else. I'd imagine he enjoyed his new found freedom from the shackles of WHF when he moved to Goldhanger and looking forward to the future. :(
That's the picture I got.I can't help the way I am and feel about the case.
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No,he was no good at planning anything. I think he was the type to have jumped from one thing to another. He wasn't a " sit down and work it out " type. He was too fond of his party life-style to bother about anything else. I'd imagine he enjoyed his new found freedom from the shackles of WHF when he moved to Goldhanger and looking forward to the future. :(
That's the picture I got.I can't help the way I am and feel about the case.
I agree - so the thought of losing it wouldn't have sat well.
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In fact, do you know how the press (particularly The Sun) found out he (Jeremy) was a suspect in the murders? (Here's one for the conspiracy theorists who thought EP were in cahoots with The Sun ;D)
OK, if no one is going to ask (spoiled sports! :P), it came from Brett Collins! He Called Feilder - that's why he specifically contacted Fielder about the explicit photographs, because he has already spoken to him.
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OK, if no one is going to ask (spoiled sports! :P), it came from Brett Collins! He Called Feilder - that's why he specifically contacted Fielder about the explicit photographs, because he has already spoken to him.
Awwww Caroline, sorry. Got side tracked. PLEEEZE tell us how the press (paticularly the Sun) found out that Jeremy was a suspect in the murders ;D ;D ;D
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Awwww Caroline, sorry. Got side tracked. PLEEEZE tell us how the press (paticularly the Sun) found out that Jeremy was a suspect in the murders ;D ;D ;D
Errrmm, I just did! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Errrmm, I just did! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
SO you did!!!!! It came from Brett Collins! He called Fielder -which is why he specifically contacted Fielder about the explicit photographs. He's ALREADY spoken to him ;D ;D ;D Just in case anyone missed when you said it the first time ;)
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Awwww Caroline, sorry. Got side tracked. PLEEEZE tell us how the press (paticularly the Sun) found out that Jeremy was a suspect in the murders ;D ;D ;D
Pressure from EP. This is how the press work. If only I could prove that this happened in this case.
The now defunct sister paper,NOTW has been in the news again lately when a prison officer smuggled a camera into Ashworth to take pics of Brady in an attempt to sell them to the NOTW. Payment had been promised and because the pics weren't of a good quality so weren't published.
This was carried out as a revenge attack by the prison officer because he was disgruntled at the way he was being treated. If the pictures had turned out okay,he'd have been paid £53,000.
The officer had already received £1,000 for a story about Brady hiding his pills in his socks.
The prison guard is facing jail. This happened in 2008.
Who said that those in public office don't work with the press ? Phooey.
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Pressure from EP. This is how the press work. If only I could prove that this happened in this case.
The now defunct sister paper,NOTW has been in the news again lately when a prison officer smuggled a camera into Ashworth to take pics of Brady in an attempt to sell them to the NOTW. Payment had been promised and because the pics weren't of a good quality so weren't published.
This was carried out as a revenge attack by the prison officer because he was disgruntled at the way he was being treated. If the pictures had turned out okay,he'd have been paid £53,000.
The officer had already received £1,000 for a story about Brady hiding his pills in his socks.
The prison guard is facing jail. This happened in 2008.
Who said that those in public office don't work with the press ? Phooey.
BRETT COLLINS!! Nothing to do with EP!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I know that-------------I was on about the press and EP. ::)
I swear that you can't read at times-----------or see what you want to see. :o
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I know that-------------I was on about the press and EP. ::)
I swear that you can't read at times-----------or see what you want to see. :o
That's you Lookout!
Trying to deflect again? ::)
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That's you Lookout!
Trying to deflect again? ::)
I'm not trying to do anything. It's all in your mind. :o