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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Adam on February 25, 2015, 05:37:PM
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Everyone is aware that only two supporters have given a point by point explanation of how Sheila committed the massacre. One yesterday and one several months ago. Both posters will agree their explanations had lots of flaws.
No other supporters have said how Sheila committed the massacre although they have all read my 'Sheila: The uncomfortable question' thread and previous requests.
I invited one specific supporter today to give her explanation, after she criticised another supporters view. The other supporter also asked for her view. Sadly there was no response.
There is no option but to give a 26th February 2015, 10am deadline:
Supporters must give a credible account of how Sheila committed the massacre. All the crime scene evidence is available so there is no excuse.
A failure to do this will have to result in a change of stance to guilty. It is totally inappropriate and distasteful to continue supporting Jeremy if a plausible explanation of how Sheila committed the massacre cannot be provided.
I cannot speak for other guilters, but I will have to assume that supporters support Jeremy although they believe him guilty.
I appreciate that it will be hard to change stance, which is why I am always available to PM.
Regards.
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Adam that is very comforting to know I can contact you by pm for advice when I get confused.
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Adam that is very comforting to know I can contact you by pm for advice when I get confused.
My pleasure.
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Who is the poster?
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Everyone is aware that only two supporters have given a point by point explanation of how Sheila committed the massacre. One yesterday and one several months ago. Both posters will agree their explanations had lots of flaws.
No other supporters have said how Sheila committed the massacre although they have all read my 'Sheila: The uncomfortable question' thread and previous requests.
I invited one specific supporter today to give her explanation, after she criticised another supporters view. The other supporter also asked for her view. Sadly there was no response.
There is no option but to give a 26th February 2015, 10am deadline:
Supporters must give a credible account of how Sheila committed the massacre. All the crime scene evidence is available so there is no excuse.
A failure to do this will have to result in a change of stance to guilty. It is totally inappropriate and distasteful to continue supporting Jeremy if a plausible explanation of how Sheila committed the massacre cannot be provided.
I cannot speak for other guilters, but I will have to assume that supporters support Jeremy although they believe him guilty.
I appreciate that it will be hard to change stance, which is why I am always available to PM.
Regards.
What are you going to do then, shoot yourself? ::)
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Hahaha Mr Gee you are naughty but I like you :-*
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What are you going to do then, shoot yourself? ::)
No I will not shoot myself. But will be here for you to lend a friendly ear prior to you changing stance. Feel free to PM me.
You can of course say how Sheila did it instead.
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The two posters who have already submitted their point by point submissions, both yesterday and several months ago, are perfectly entitled to make new submissions.
Or PM me if having difficulty accepting Jeremy's guilt.
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Me Gee you have to thank Adam for his kindness in offering to hear your confession sorry I mean any doubts you have on whether Jeremy is innocent just pm him.
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It looks like I could be lots of people's agony aunt over the next few days.
Unless the deadline is met.
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Adam I think you could be right stay strong you will cope I know you will.
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It looks like I could be lots of people's agony aunt over the next few days.
Unless the deadline is met.
PMSL,I thought I'd heard everything, ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Lookout is PMSL swearing or is it what you get at a certain time of the month ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Pee ( being polite ) myself laughing. ;D ;D ;D
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Adam I think you could be right stay strong you will cope I know you will.
I will stay strong. For everyone.
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Lookout glad Adam is making you laugh he is such a sweetie and tries to please us and is a kind little soul really but tries to put on this protective shield.
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Adam I know you will maybe I should put you forward as a Mod. I do have contacts on the forum ;) ;) ;)
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Adam I know you will maybe I should put you forward as a Mod. I do have contacts on the forum ;) ;) ;)
Oh no this is just a very generous one off from me.
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Adam I am sorry to hear that :'( but do hope posters take advantage of your kind offer.
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Adam I am sorry to hear that :'( but do hope posters take advantage of your kind offer.
It will be my pleasure to help. I appreciate supporters may need my moral support prior to their change of stance.
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Adam I am sure your box will be full :)
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I would say its the funniest thing you have posted all year . But personally when the death of a family is involved I lose my sense of humour .
If you can not be bothered to read other posters threads then I have two words for you .
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work it out.
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Sounds like quite a lucrative business to me. :-X
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I would say its the funniest thing you have posted all year . But personally when the death of a family is involved I lose my sense of humour .
If you can not be bothered to read other posters threads then I have two words for you .
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work it out.
Jan, I think you may have got the spelling wrong :D
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Jan, I think you may have got the spelling wrong :D
It was actually quite polite - I am not a rude person- unless really pushed - and I am on the brink >:(
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lookout Adam is not charging for his services he is doing it as a generous offer a one off offer I may add.
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It was actually quite polite - I am not a rude person- unless really pushed - and I am on the brink >:(
Think we've all been there, Jan!!!
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lookout Adam is not charging for his services he is doing it as a generous offer a one off offer I may add.
Jackie Preece needs to be told. She has not posted for a long time and may not have read the thread.
She needs the option of saying how Sheila did it. As well as the option of sending me a PM prior to a stance change.
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Me Gee you have to thank Adam for his kindness in offering to hear your confession sorry I mean any doubts you have on whether Jeremy is innocent just pm him.
He can hear my confession only if he puts a dog collar on. ;D
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Adam I am sure your box will be full :)
Yes. I've just put a grenade in it. :)
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Mr Gee you are so funny and make me laugh I am sat here with tears running down my face. My hubby thinks I have gone mad ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Adam panic panic how can we get in touch with her. I will ask Mr. Gee or Maggie she is a medium ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Yes. I've just put a grenade in it. :)
;D ;D ;D ;D
bet you get reported for that - watch out ban imminent.
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Adam panic panic how can we get in touch with her. I will ask Mr. Gee or Maggie she is a medium ;D ;D ;D ;D
Perhaps if someone phones Jeremy to make him phone her to inform her of the urgency?
Why are you so silly Adam? All the time....
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Perhaps if someone phones Jeremy to make him phone her to inform her of the urgency?
Why are you so silly Adam? All the time....
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It's only fair that Jackie knows.
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Alias don't be so hard on Adam he is just trying to be helpful :) and Grahame has put a grenade in his in box ;D
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Alias don't be so hard on Adam he is just trying to be helpful :) and Grahame has put a grenade in his in box ;D
I don't think he has even realised ?
what a surprise - so tied up with trying to break a record for posting he does not realise he is in imminent danger .
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I don't think he has even realised ?
what a surprise - so tied up with trying to break a record for posting he does not realise he is in imminent danger .
Poor buggar, it will be a mess! :P
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Poor buggar, it will be a mess! :P
So sad, him being so young and innocent. :'(
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So sad, him being so young and innocent. :'(
Just seventeen. :'(
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And 3/4's. :o
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And 3/4's. :o
;D ;D. don't he will start writing a diary .
Or perhaps he already has?????
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This is just confirmation that there are only a few hours until final submissions.
Hopefully Jackie and Mike are aware of this.
If unable to draw up a suitable submission, please confirm the retraction of you're innocent stance. It is distasteful to support a murderer.
Feel free to PM me for moral support before a retraction. I am with my school friends today but will respond upon my return.
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In the opening paragraph of the typed version of the Scenes of crime report, which commences ar 9.20am, to whom does the phrase, A PERSON HAS BEEN SHOT DEAD", refer? Since, according to every ither knowb source four persons were known to have been shot dead bt 8.10am, and one other who had been shot but known to have survived - that person being Sheila...
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In the opening paragraph of the typed version of the Scenes of crime report, which commences ar 9.20am, to whom does the phrase, A PERSON HAS BEEN SHOT DEAD", refer? Since, according to every ither knowb source four persons were known to have been shot dead bt 8.10am, and one other who had been shot but known to have survived - that person being Sheila...
That was in 1985, since when, we have television crews and banks of reporters standing on the edge of crime scenes almost BEFORE a crime has been committed, giving minute by minute details and updates, TELLING us about changing details as they get them.
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That was in 1985, since when, we have television crews and banks of reporters standing on the edge of crime scenes almost BEFORE a crime has been committed, giving minute by minute details and updates, TELLING us about changing details as they get them.
Telivision crews and the worlds media circus have absolutely no input in the completion of entries in a crime scene register, qhich in this instance was the responsibility of 'Ron' Cook. He arrives at the scene at 9.20am" and he is delayed by 40 minutes before he is given control of the scene at 10 O''clock. Yet, even before hwesets foot into the farmhouse, somebody has already told him three very importanr and significant pieces od information - (1) that a person has been found shot dead, (2) that a person has been shot dead, and (3) that a person has committed sucide (source of informatin unknown)...
Well, it should be obvious to everybody that 'Ron' Cook is talking about the two bodies found upon entry to the kitchen, where reference to a person having been found shot is concerning Ralph Bamber, and the other references to a person having been shot dead, and a person has committed suicide, is a sole reference to the shooting of Sheila, which police themselve chose to turn it into a suicide
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Thw truth can be found in the original hand written crime report register completed by 'Ron' Cook, himself...
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That was in 1985, since when, we have television crews and banks of reporters standing on the edge of crime scenes almost BEFORE a crime has been committed, giving minute by minute details and updates, TELLING us about changing details as they get them.
Anything to avoid the question eh April? ::)
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The contents of the first paragraph of the Scenes of crume register which were completed after 'Ron' Cooks arrived at the scene at around 9.20am, mirroring the contents of the police mesagge logs, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42 am, and 7.45am, 1 hour and 35 minutes, earlier...
A person has been found shot dead (Ralph Bamber)
A person has been shot dead (Sheila Caffell)
A person has commited suicide (Sheila Caffell)...
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The contents of the first paragraph of the Scenes of crume register which were completed after 'Ron' Cooks arrived at the scene at around 9.20am, mirroring the contents of the police mesagge logs, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42 am, and 7.45am, 1 hour and 35 minutes, earlier...
A person has been found shot dead (Ralph Bamber)
A person has been shot dead (Sheila Caffell)
A person has commited suicide (Sheila Caffell)...
7.37am - "The body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female"...
7.38am - "One dead male, one dead female"...
7.42am - "Can someone contact the police surgeon, and the Coroners officer regarding two bodies"...
inda in control room, pbones DS Davidson at home:-
7.45am - "Can you come into the office ASAP becausepolice are dealing with an incident at whf, involving a murder, and a suicide"...
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It's all there if you would care to look - they shot Sheila, and killed her, then set about making her death appear like a suicide. Sheila's death had nothing whatsoever to do with Jeremy Bamber...
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Mike,I was convinced of that back in 1985 when the tragedy occurred,but at that time I hadn't blamed the police for having taken part.
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It's a waste of time, trying to prove that Sheila killed herself, because she didn't. Stick with what I am telling you because it is the absolute truth - police shot and killed Sheila, they covered what they had done up, by faking the crime scene to make it look like she had committed suicide
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It's a waste of time, trying to prove that Sheila killed herself, because she didn't. Stick with what I am telling you because it is the absolute truth - police shot and killed Sheila, they covered what they had done up, by faking the crime scene to make it look like she had committed suicide
What I can now reveal for the very first time is:-
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Mike,I was convinced of that back in 1985 when the tragedy occurred,but at that time I hadn't blamed the police for having taken part.
Notice I said " hadn't ",which comes to the question of the first shot which I've always thought,wasn't self-administered,but was there before the police had entered.
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On 9th August 1985, hand swabs taken from the hands of Sheila were received and rejected at the lab' because they had arrived there in the same exhibit bag as a firearm..
Who's firearm?
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On 9th August 1985, hand swabs taken from the hands of Sheila were received and rejected at the lab' because they had arrived there in the same exhibit bag as a firearm..
Who's firearm?
What sort of a firearm would be in the same bag as swabs ? A regulated handgun,maybe ?
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On 9th August 1985, hand swabs taken from the hands of Sheila were received and rejected at the lab' because they had arrived there in the same exhibit bag as a firearm..
Who's firearm?
It wasn't in the same exhibit bag as a firearm. The courier brought items from severla cases. There was weapon was from a different case which was handed over the same time as the bag with the swabs. That doesn't contaminate the inside of bags so it was an improper rejection. In any event if the contamination had occurred it would have benefitted Jeremy because it would have transferred GSR to the swabs and resulted in the false evidence that Sheila had GSR on her hands.
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whatever ::)
DETECTION OF GUNSHOT DISCHARGE RESIDUES
It is possible to detect on the back of the firing hand of individuals, who had discharged a weapon,
traces of the metals barium, antimony and lead, originating from the primer of the cartridge. Cotton
tipped swabs moistened with either 10% hydrochloric acid or 5% nitric acid are used to recover
residues for analysis by flameless atomic absorption spectrometry (FAAS) and neutron activation
analysis (NAA). Adhesive material is used to recover residues for analysis using scanning electron
microscopy and EDAX.
Problems to be aware of:
i. All three metals are not necessarily present in some rimfire primers.
ii. Neutron activation only detects antimony and barium, and must be used in conjunction with
FAAS to detect lead.
iii.NAA and FAAS are both quantitative elemental analytical methods which do not
distinguish the source of the metals. False positives are therefore theoretically possible.
iv.Although SEM with EDAX can potentially absolutely identify gunshot residue, often the
result is typical but not unique. In practice residues are detectable in 90% of persons who
have fired handguns, but only 50% of persons who have fired rifles and shotguns.
v. The quantity and distribution of the three metals can be described as consistent or not
consistent with gunshot residue and thus with firing a weapon.
vi. Residues on the palms of the hands may indicate a defence gesture, or alternatively the
handling of a previously fired weapon.
vii.In suicides residues are often detected on the non-firing hand used to steady the muzzle
against the body.
viii.Residues of barium alone may be the result of contamination with barium rich soil.
In the UK, firearms discharge residue kits are available from the Metropolitan Police Forensic
Science Laboratory, the Home Office Forensic Science Service Laboratory at Chorley and the
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Jan,I think you're forgetting that what was detected in residue was from everyday utensils. ::) ;D ;D ;D.
That being the case,we'd be suffering lead poisoning or problems arising from aluminium in our bodies from the use,everyday of pan-cooked food.
Somehow,I couldn't imagine Sheila with those nails,scrubbing pans,etc.
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whatever ::)
DETECTION OF GUNSHOT DISCHARGE RESIDUES
It is possible to detect on the back of the firing hand of individuals, who had discharged a weapon,
traces of the metals barium, antimony and lead, originating from the primer of the cartridge. Cotton
tipped swabs moistened with either 10% hydrochloric acid or 5% nitric acid are used to recover
residues for analysis by flameless atomic absorption spectrometry (FAAS) and neutron activation
analysis (NAA). Adhesive material is used to recover residues for analysis using scanning electron
microscopy and EDAX.
Problems to be aware of:
i. All three metals are not necessarily present in some rimfire primers.
ii. Neutron activation only detects antimony and barium, and must be used in conjunction with
FAAS to detect lead.
iii.NAA and FAAS are both quantitative elemental analytical methods which do not
distinguish the source of the metals. False positives are therefore theoretically possible.
iv.Although SEM with EDAX can potentially absolutely identify gunshot residue, often the
result is typical but not unique. In practice residues are detectable in 90% of persons who
have fired handguns, but only 50% of persons who have fired rifles and shotguns.
v. The quantity and distribution of the three metals can be described as consistent or not
consistent with gunshot residue and thus with firing a weapon.
vi. Residues on the palms of the hands may indicate a defence gesture, or alternatively the
handling of a previously fired weapon.
vii.In suicides residues are often detected on the non-firing hand used to steady the muzzle
against the body.
viii.Residues of barium alone may be the result of contamination with barium rich soil.
In the UK, firearms discharge residue kits are available from the Metropolitan Police Forensic
Science Laboratory, the Home Office Forensic Science Service Laboratory at Chorley and the
So IN GENERAL if someone fires a shot with a rifle there is a 50% chance of that shot leaving a suitable amount of PGSR to be detected. That is a single shot. What is the chance of firing 25 shots and no PGSR being left?
What is the chance of hugging a weapon as you shoot yourself 2 times and No soot of PGSR getting on your hands or even our clothing directly near the vents and ejection port.
The answer is not a realistic chance but hey when did you ever try to be objective....
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So IN GENERAL if someone fires a shot with a rifle there is a 50% chance of that shot leaving a suitable amount of PGSR to be detected. That is a single shot. What is the chance of firing 25 shots and no PGSR being left?
What is the chance of hugging a weapon as you shoot yourself 2 times and No soot of PGSR getting on your hands or even our clothing directly near the vents and ejection port.
The answer is not a realistic chance but hey when did you ever try to be objective....
Another put down by this bozo. Rude sod.
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It's what the opposition like,Mr G. :-X Ooops.
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This is another thing supporters would have to include in a breakdown on how Sheila committed the massacre. Now it's accepted the silencer was used - when did Sheila put the silencer on ?
It has to match the forensic evidence. There is no point saying it was put on after the kitchen fight, as one poster said today. The kitchen fight produced the aga paint so had to be on.
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The deadline is gone but feel free to still give a breakdown. Better late than never.