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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Alias on January 13, 2015, 04:00:PM
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Happy birthday.
Guess his birthdays remind him of all the years he has spent behind bars.
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Is it around 30 years now? I couldn't cope with it myself.
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Is it around 30 years now? I couldn't cope with it myself.
I don't think anyone could if they were being honest.
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54 years eh? Locked up for a 1/4 of a century for a crime he might not have committed.
Many Happy Returns dude....
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54 years eh? Locked up for a 1/4 of a century for a crime he might not have committed.
Many Happy Returns dude....
closer to 1/3 of a century actually.
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closer to 1/3 of a century actually.
Never been good with figures ;)
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He sounds a bit optimistic here. He is very resilient!
http://jeremybamber.blogspot.co.uk/
Jeremy's 54th Birthday Blog
"I’ve just watched the film ‘Quartet’ on BBC two. I was in the middle of writing on a different theme, but as this is loosely based upon or around my 54th birthday it seemed germane to share some of my thoughts about ageing.
I’m not sure that I know what it is to grow older. I’m not saying that I don’t understand the process because I do, but it’s so hard for us to see it in ourselves and yet we watch as our friends grow old around us. My experience of ageing is just the same as it is for everyone else I’m friends with. The reason I know we’re growing older is that we’ve started talking about it a lot more during the last three of four years of discussions—in our thirties we never did.
As with the subjects we talk about here, there has to be a point to it that feels significant enough for someone to read it. So often friends and supporters write to me saying how sad it is that I’ve now spent almost thirty years wrongfully imprisoned—this will be my thirtieth birthday behind bars—or they feel I’ve been so unlucky in life.
Of course my life would have been different in every way had this tragedy not befallen my family and me, but in what ways it would have been different is completely unknown. Would I have even made it to my 54th birthday?
For the most part, the last thirty years have been kind to me on many levels. The film ‘Quartet’ that I’ve just watched underlined for me what I and many others believe to be the true font of happiness—to be loved by someone who you love equally in return. If you are lucky, that situation happens when you are young and lasts a lifetime, as it has with two of my closest friends. It may be, as you are reading this, that it hasn’t yet happened and the person who will love you as you love them is still but a dream for the future.
I don’t want to ruin the film ‘Quartet’ for you but it’s a love story that takes place between two residents in a retirement home. The point being that we simply don’t know when true love might strike. For the characters it’s quite late in life, but the joy of true love salves emotional pain like nothing else and more to the point brings a state of happiness beyond anything else known to man. I believe that makes living almost blissful and utterly complete. If it’s not happened to you yet, it will do, maybe tomorrow, maybe next year. There is no telling when cupid’s arrow may strike.
Going back to why life has been kind to me, it’s because I feel loved by so many people in all kinds of different ways—people who allow me to love them equally in return. What would be perfect for me right now is for Justice to prevail so that I can enjoy true love as a free man.
The good news is that Justice may indeed be on its way."
Jeremy
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I wonder what he means by this:
The good news is that Justice may indeed be on its way."
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I still see the mindless wolves still snapping at his feet. As he is in prison it appears to me that such hateful posters are at the very least "stupid". They are like the bullies who after they knock a man down continue to kick him. Cowardly small minded individuals they are, whilst professing love and concern for the victims are in reality full of hate and dead men's bones and other filth.
I hote you get out soon Jeremy. For after talking with certain people and after looking at the filthy posts of some guilters you must be innocent?
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I wonder what he means by this:
The good news is that Justice may indeed be on its way."
The problem for me here is that he has said similar for years and years.
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The problem for me here is that he has said similar for years and years.
True Alias, since 1986. I doubt there will ever be any new evidence after all these years. If there is then why now? :(
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The problem for me here is that he has said similar for years and years.
What else is there for him to say,being cooped up ? Maybe age is creeping up and he's started to repeat himself. ;D ;D ;D ;D Not a problem to my mind,just a determination to get his message across.
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True Alias, since 1986. I doubt there will ever be any new evidence after all these years. If there is then why now? :(
He's been locked up for nigh on 30 years and you question saying "why now"? Well I'd better stop posting for now or I will say something rude. NO ONE on this forum has any clue what it is like to spend 30 years in prison. Although many wax eloquent on the subject. Perleeze. :(
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He's been locked up for nigh on 30 years and you question saying "why now"? Well I'd better stop posting for now or I will say something rude. NO ONE on this forum has any clue what it is like to spend 30 years in prison. Although many wax eloquent on the subject. Perleeze. :(
It was I who initiated this pessimism. Can´t help feeling that way. Glad that Jeremy still has hope.
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He's been locked up for nigh on 30 years and you question saying "why now"? Well I'd better stop posting for now or I will say something rude. NO ONE on this forum has any clue what it is like to spend 30 years in prison. Although many wax eloquent on the subject. Perleeze. :(
Not sure what your problem is Grahame. I have always supported Jeremy since I arrived on this forum and still do. I also think that people can imagine what its like to spend 30 years in prison, but sadly we cannot do anything about that other than debate about the case. I think your comment to me is rude. I suppose now you want to have a go at me. Well that's fine, go ahead.
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Jeremy is optimistic this time around. I write to him and am in the middle of a letter,but such is my letter-writing,long and drawn-out,I have to keep leaving it and going back. I did get him a Birthday card,but because my letter is still in limbo,I'll have to now buy a belated B/Card.
However,he does have the decency to write back,but he's quite busy at the moment.
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Hello Patti
I think most forum members whether we think Jeremy is guilty or innocent would like evidence to come to light to prove one way or another without any doubt what really happened at WHF on that fateful night. Grahame thinks like he does because he believes Jeremy is innocent whereas others who think he is guilty believe he is where he should be if he deprived innocent people of their lives two of which were wee children :'(
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Hello Patti
I think most forum members whether we think Jeremy is guilty or innocent would like evidence to come to light to prove one way or another without any doubt what really happened at WHF on that fateful night. Grahame thinks like he does because he believes Jeremy is innocent whereas others who think he is guilty believe he is where he should be if he deprived innocent people of their lives two of which were wee children :'(
Hello Susan, I definitely find myself in that camp. I believe that on the balance of probability, Jeremy is guilty, mainly because I can't see any evidence of Shelia having been responsible. I would love for someone to come up with something, that would change my mind. The most convincing aspect thus far, is Jeremy himself. I find him extremely impressive, albeit I have only heard and read the odd piece here and there.
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Not sure what your problem is Grahame. I have always supported Jeremy since I arrived on this forum and still do. I also think that people can imagine what its like to spend 30 years in prison, but sadly we cannot do anything about that other than debate about the case. I think your comment to me is rude. I suppose now you want to have a go at me. Well that's fine, go ahead.
Sorry Patti.
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You're forgiven I'm sure,Mr G. :)
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Sorry Patti.
No probs Mr Gee.....Keep smiling ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Jeremy is optimistic this time around. I write to him and am in the middle of a letter,but such is my letter-writing,long and drawn-out,I have to keep leaving it and going back. I did get him a Birthday card,but because my letter is still in limbo,I'll have to now buy a belated B/Card.
However,he does have the decency to write back,but he's quite busy at the moment.
Hope he is busy in a good way - would be nice just to know if things are still moving in the right direction ( without giving details of course)
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Hope he is busy in a good way - would be nice just to know if things are still moving in the right direction ( without giving details of course)
Yes,he's busy in a good way.
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He sounds a bit optimistic here. He is very resilient!
http://jeremybamber.blogspot.co.uk/
Jeremy's 54th Birthday Blog
"I’ve just watched the film ‘Quartet’ on BBC two. I was in the middle of writing on a different theme, but as this is loosely based upon or around my 54th birthday it seemed germane to share some of my thoughts about ageing.
I’m not sure that I know what it is to grow older. I’m not saying that I don’t understand the process because I do, but it’s so hard for us to see it in ourselves and yet we watch as our friends grow old around us. My experience of ageing is just the same as it is for everyone else I’m friends with. The reason I know we’re growing older is that we’ve started talking about it a lot more during the last three of four years of discussions—in our thirties we never did.
As with the subjects we talk about here, there has to be a point to it that feels significant enough for someone to read it. So often friends and supporters write to me saying how sad it is that I’ve now spent almost thirty years wrongfully imprisoned—this will be my thirtieth birthday behind bars—or they feel I’ve been so unlucky in life.
Of course my life would have been different in every way had this tragedy not befallen my family and me, but in what ways it would have been different is completely unknown. Would I have even made it to my 54th birthday?
For the most part, the last thirty years have been kind to me on many levels. The film ‘Quartet’ that I’ve just watched underlined for me what I and many others believe to be the true font of happiness—to be loved by someone who you love equally in return. If you are lucky, that situation happens when you are young and lasts a lifetime, as it has with two of my closest friends. It may be, as you are reading this, that it hasn’t yet happened and the person who will love you as you love them is still but a dream for the future.
I don’t want to ruin the film ‘Quartet’ for you but it’s a love story that takes place between two residents in a retirement home. The point being that we simply don’t know when true love might strike. For the characters it’s quite late in life, but the joy of true love salves emotional pain like nothing else and more to the point brings a state of happiness beyond anything else known to man. I believe that makes living almost blissful and utterly complete. If it’s not happened to you yet, it will do, maybe tomorrow, maybe next year. There is no telling when cupid’s arrow may strike.
Going back to why life has been kind to me, it’s because I feel loved by so many people in all kinds of different ways—people who allow me to love them equally in return. What would be perfect for me right now is for Justice to prevail so that I can enjoy true love as a free man.
The good news is that Justice may indeed be on its way."
Jeremy
I wish they would shove him in a retirement home when the time comes and out of that smelly prison atmosphere and his tiny prison cell. A man who had much going for him until he was led astray by the spirit of the times,a man who craved human contact so much it could come from either sex,as long as he perceived the source as genuine. Only then will Jeremy begin to open up to the heinousness of his crimes,possibly to a most unlikely confidant as he sits in a faded brocade armchair with carpet slippers placed neatly nearby, his head nodding spasmodically to the person opposite,the money motive finally erased from his mind.
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It might be one of those old,prickly uncut moquette chairs that chafe the backs of your legs,Steve.
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Jeremy is optimistic this time around. I write to him and am in the middle of a letter,but such is my letter-writing,long and drawn-out,I have to keep leaving it and going back. I did get him a Birthday card,but because my letter is still in limbo,I'll have to now buy a belated B/Card.
However,he does have the decency to write back,but he's quite busy at the moment.
Lookout I'm sure he appreciates your loyalty and the mother figure he feels he never had.
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I wish they would shove him in a retirement home when the time comes and out of that smelly prison atmosphere and his tiny prison cell. A man who had much going for him until he was led astray by the spirit of the times,a man who craved human contact so much it could come from either sex,as long as he perceived the source as genuine. Only then will Jeremy begin to open up to the heinousness of his crimes,possibly to a most unlikely confidant as he sits in a faded brocade armchair with carpet slippers placed neatly nearby, his head nodding spasmodically to the person opposite,the money motive finally erased from his mind.
You forgot the cup of cocoa.
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Prisons to me are like Nazi concentration camps both destroyes a persons mind and will in time. to be locked up and waiting to die sums up our race and what we are we have learned nothing im certain one massive cover up of child abuse goes right to the heart of our so called system the truth will come out with the White House Farm shootings like it will in our sick system.
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Prisons to me are like Nazi concentration camps both destroyes a persons mind and will in time. to be locked up and waiting to die sums up our race and what we are we have learned nothing im certain one massive cover up of child abuse goes right to the heart of our so called system the truth will come out with the White House Farm shootings like it will in our sick system.
Well I would lock up paedophiles like weatherman Fred Talbot for life,or at least put them out of the reach of the general public on some remote island. To think people in the North West were watching him and Stuart Hall on television for years and nobody blinked an eyelid.
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Well I would lock up paedophiles like weatherman Fred Talbot for life,or at least put them out of the reach of the general public on some remote island. To think people in the North West were watching him and Stuart Hall on television for years and nobody blinked an eyelid.
Well let's hope you don't ever sin then Steve.
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Well let's hope you don't ever sin then Steve.
I agree with this guy.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-506706/Why-I-believe-paedophiles-NEVER-cured-says-chemical-castration-expert.html
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I agree with this guy.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-506706/Why-I-believe-paedophiles-NEVER-cured-says-chemical-castration-expert.html
We discussed chemical castration during my training. It seems that whilst it curtailed the physical ability, it did little to suppress desire. It was felt that this could be responsible for unrestrained physical violence towards potential victims.
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Leukotomy.
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Leukotomy.
Go down THAT road and someone is sure to start talking about human rights being denied.
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Go down THAT road and someone is sure to start talking about human rights being denied.
Human Rights be buggered,it's something I'd be looking into.
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I agree with this guy.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-506706/Why-I-believe-paedophiles-NEVER-cured-says-chemical-castration-expert.html
Psychiatry is one of the most backward of all sciences. Only around 75 years ago my aunt was prone to hysteria. The doctors solution was to take her womb out. Similar barbaric experiments are still used today. For instance electricution treatment was used on mental patients for many years and at least one psychiatrist confessed that they still didn't understand how it worked. Just because some people are misfits in our society we feel we have to mutilate them in some way. It appears to me that we are still not very far advanced than the witch doctors of Africa?
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Psychiatry is one of the most backward of all sciences. Only around 75 years ago my aunt was prone to hysteria. The doctors solution was to take her womb out. Similar barbaric experiments are still used today. For instance electricution treatment was used on mental patients for many years and at least one psychiatrist confessed that they still didn't understand how it worked. Just because some people are misfits in our society we feel we have to mutilate them in some way. It appears to me that we are still not very far advanced than the witch doctors of Africa?
I don't know of ANY doctor who would be willing to say they know all there is to know about the workings of the brain. It's unsurprising to me that your aunt was given a HYSTERectomy for HYSTERia. The link is perfectly obvious. No one EVER seemed to know WHY ECT worked on some but not others, but that's life. In the main, psych units and their staff do the best they can given their severe underfunding. The problems arise when it comes to "care in the community". Generally speaking, I believe the public is as scared of the mentally ill NOW as they were in the days when suffers were called "Mad" and "Insane."
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I don't know of ANY doctor who would be willing to say they know all there is to know about the workings of the brain. It's unsurprising to me that your aunt was given a HYSTERectomy for HYSTERia. The link is perfectly obvious. No one EVER seemed to know WHY ECT worked on some but not others, but that's life. In the main, psych units and their staff do the best they can given their severe underfunding. The problems arise when it comes to "care in the community". Generally speaking, I believe the public is as scared of the mentally ill NOW as they were in the days when suffers were called "Mad" and "Insane."
My emphasis was the idea of taking bits off people just so they conform to our way of life. To my mind a very unscientific method of controlling people and no better that witchcraft. The fact is not that they don't understand why electric shock treatment works on some and not other. But the fact they don't understand it at all. Barbaric if you ask me.
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My emphasis was the idea of taking bits off people just so they conform to our way of life. To my mind a very unscientific method of controlling people and no better that witchcraft. The fact is not that they don't understand why electric shock treatment works on some and not other. But the fact they don't understand it at all. Barbaric if you ask me.
We don´t know if it works at all. Some get better, some get worse, with some no change. Might as well have happened without the electro shock, we don´t know. And I agree, it seems awfully barbaric!
Can´t believe the cut the uterus out of your aunt, jeeeezzz!
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We don´t know if it works at all. Some get better, some get worse, with some no change. Might as well have happened without the electro shock, we don´t know. And I agree, it seems awfully barbaric!
Can´t believe the cut the uterus out of your aunt, jeeeezzz!
This is what used to be done.As Mr G explained,the word Hysteria is connected to Hysterectomy,and the removal of the reproductive organs was carried out to alleviate the suffering of a patient whose mental state was " delicate ". This was before hormonal treatment was used. Usually in menopausal women who had severe mental problems,as some do even today.
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My emphasis was the idea of taking bits off people just so they conform to our way of life. To my mind a very unscientific method of controlling people and no better that witchcraft. The fact is not that they don't understand why electric shock treatment works on some and not other. But the fact they don't understand it at all. Barbaric if you ask me.
But you can't apply barbarism JUST to mental health and turn a blind eye to what went on in other areas of medicine. MANY found themselves in mental institutions because their families didn't know what else to do with them. Women who had babies out of wedlock were said to be suffering from Nymphomania. These poor girls may have been treated -entirely, IMO, unnecessarily- with ECT, but balance that against, for example, the amount of, perhaps healthy limbs which were amputated in the most appalling conditions, leaving the patient to either die from infection OR being subject to life as a pauper because they were unable to work.
Medicine, mental AND physical, HAS come a long way since those days, but it often falls down in its application, ie when departments don't share information it's the patient who suffers, when the correct hygiene procedures aren't adhered to it's the patient who suffers, when there is poor communication between patient and staff it's the patient who suffers.