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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: lookout on December 27, 2014, 01:09:PM

Title: Why/How was Jeremy blamed for the murders ?
Post by: lookout on December 27, 2014, 01:09:PM
 Again," Taff " Jones knew the answer,and so do those of us who look into the case from the very beginning.
Title: Re: Why/How was Jeremy blamed for the murders ?
Post by: lookout on December 27, 2014, 01:16:PM
Did the raid take place with military precision ? No,it didn't. It was well and truly a hashed affair.
Title: Re: Why/How was Jeremy blamed for the murders ?
Post by: nugnug on December 27, 2014, 01:20:PM
i think the relationship between stan and taff jones might of had somthing to do with it.
Title: Re: Why/How was Jeremy blamed for the murders ?
Post by: lookout on December 27, 2014, 01:29:PM
SJ was possibly looking for promotion,nugs,and I imagine after the bungled Diane Jones murder,his neck may have been on the line too,as they were all being held over a barrel at the time of the WHF murders.
" Taff " was the more senior too,so what he said,went----------and I don't doubt that whatever his conclusion,it would have been the right one.

It was more the relatives who had the greater influence,and who they knew,not what they knew because they knew sweet f.a. about the Bamber family.
Title: Re: Why/How was Jeremy blamed for the murders ?
Post by: nugnug on December 27, 2014, 02:19:PM
he could of seen it a chance for his star to shine prove the boss was wrong and he was right.
Title: Re: Why/How was Jeremy blamed for the murders ?
Post by: lookout on December 28, 2014, 02:42:PM
 Any blood,fingerprints or fibres on the ammunition box ( originally found in the bedroom and flew through the air like the rifle to land where photos were taken  ?)

Any blood,fingerprints or fibres found on the box where the silencer was " found ?".

Any blood,fingerprints or fibres found on the silencer ?

Where are these results because above tests were done, on two top items ? 26/9/85.
Title: Re: Why/How was Jeremy blamed for the murders ?
Post by: lookout on December 28, 2014, 02:50:PM
 Ainsley had no idea how the blood got into the baffles of the silencer so he left that query with the laboratory in Huntingdon ??
 This was a Detective Superintendant who couldn't work that out. So how come Jeremy got the blame,as it was ONLY the silencer that rested upon his so-called guilt ??
Title: Re: Why/How was Jeremy blamed for the murders ?
Post by: lookout on December 28, 2014, 04:53:PM
 Jeremy had asked AE if she would permit himself,accompanied by police to test the inside " noise " of a .22 rifle being fired to prove that it wasn't audible while standing outside the property. AE wouldn't allow it to be tested.
Funny how she didn't " obstruct " the police previously ! Everyone else had more than their say,except when it came to Jeremy and nobody wanted to know. 
Title: Re: Why/How was Jeremy blamed for the murders ?
Post by: Caroline on December 28, 2014, 06:26:PM
Any blood,fingerprints or fibres on the ammunition box ( originally found in the bedroom and flew through the air like the rifle to land where photos were taken  ?)

Any blood,fingerprints or fibres found on the box where the silencer was " found ?".

Any blood,fingerprints or fibres found on the silencer ?

Where are these results because above tests were done, on two top items ? 26/9/85.

Sorry Lookout but who said the ammunition box was found in the bedroom? You mean the one photographed beside the phone?
Title: Re: Why/How was Jeremy blamed for the murders ?
Post by: lookout on December 28, 2014, 06:40:PM
Sorry Lookout but who said the ammunition box was found in the bedroom? You mean the one photographed beside the phone?





Hi Caroline,that little fact's in Colins' book,as police explained what had been found where. Could have been another empty ammo box,but that's what Colin described as being in the bedroom.
Title: Re: Why/How was Jeremy blamed for the murders ?
Post by: lookout on December 28, 2014, 06:56:PM
Somehow the thought of Jeremy hanging on to his wetsuit/balaclava/gloves/rifle and box of ammo under his arm doesn't do it for me. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Why/How was Jeremy blamed for the murders ?
Post by: Caroline on December 28, 2014, 07:36:PM




Hi Caroline,that little fact's in Colins' book,as police explained what had been found where. Could have been another empty ammo box,but that's what Colin described as being in the bedroom.

Oh OK, I've got Colin's book - do you know which page it's on?

It has to be another box of ammo though because Jeremy told them he emptied the ammo onto the counter top but, he didn't give a statement until the following day so how would they know to place it back on the counter top? And why bother?

There is something that does bug me a little though - if Jeremy was telling Julie about the murders, I wonder why EP didn't use her to extract some information; get him to admit something that only the killer could know? However, I think Jeremy may have fed Julie with a few red herrings so that her story would never fully check out (ie. the hit man). He might have told her something though and if guilty, forced a confession. I just find it strange that they didn't do that.
Title: Re: Why/How was Jeremy blamed for the murders ?
Post by: lookout on December 28, 2014, 08:23:PM
 Oh I'll see if I can find it,Caroline.
Title: Re: Why/How was Jeremy blamed for the murders ?
Post by: Caroline on December 28, 2014, 08:25:PM
Oh I'll see if I can find it,Caroline.

Ta! :). I looked for it but it jumps from subject to subject quite a bit. Found something else though which I just posted on another thread.
Title: Re: Why/How was Jeremy blamed for the murders ?
Post by: lookout on December 28, 2014, 08:26:PM
 Page 35,where it's written in Italic.
Title: Re: Why/How was Jeremy blamed for the murders ?
Post by: lookout on December 28, 2014, 08:41:PM
Box/Case ? Is/was there a difference ?
Title: Re: Why/How was Jeremy blamed for the murders ?
Post by: Jan on December 28, 2014, 08:56:PM
Oh OK, I've got Colin's book - do you know which page it's on?

It has to be another box of ammo though because Jeremy told them he emptied the ammo onto the counter top but, he didn't give a statement until the following day so how would they know to place it back on the counter top? And why bother?

There is something that does bug me a little though - if Jeremy was telling Julie about the murders, I wonder why EP didn't use her to extract some information; get him to admit something that only the killer could know? However, I think Jeremy may have fed Julie with a few red herrings so that her story would never fully check out (ie. the hit man). He might have told her something though and if guilty, forced a confession. I just find it strange that they didn't do that.

there would have   been  a few  things only the killer would know I would think - and this was before the days of a "honey trap" being illegal. I don't think she came up with anything that was not fed to the family or was in the papers.
Title: Re: Why/How was Jeremy blamed for the murders ?
Post by: Caroline on December 28, 2014, 08:58:PM
Box/Case ? Is/was there a difference ?

Yes Lookout, there is a difference. He is either referring to a shell case OR the magazine, which was on the rifle. He's not talking about the box of ammo from the kitchen.
Title: Re: Why/How was Jeremy blamed for the murders ?
Post by: Caroline on December 28, 2014, 09:01:PM
there would have   been  a few  things only the killer would know I would think - and this was before the days of a "honey trap" being illegal. I don't think she came up with anything that was not fed to the family or was in the papers.

Even with JM's statement and the silencer, SJ was still not sure of a conviction so I cannot understand why he didn't make use of JM to try and force a confession?
Title: Re: Why/How was Jeremy blamed for the murders ?
Post by: susan on December 28, 2014, 09:01:PM
Jan I have often wondered what Julie told Colin.  He does not say what it was in his book.
Title: Re: Why/How was Jeremy blamed for the murders ?
Post by: lookout on January 01, 2015, 11:09:AM
Julie was on a sympathy visit. Her own case of emotional blackmail.