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Title: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2011, 11:17:AM
New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police

In the very latest development linked to this case, police had evidence that Sheila was in contact with them, via the telephone interception, and she told DCI "Taff"Jones, that "she was sorry for everything she had done"...

Documents which contained this information was withheld, marked "not to be disclosed under any circumstances"...

Copies of the documents are being sent to the CCRC...
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: Kaldin on April 10, 2011, 11:21:AM
Not much point discussing it if there's no evidence of that then.
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2011, 11:25:AM
After a request for new information, copies of the documents appear to confirm that Sheila Caffell was still very much alive at the scene, long after police arrived there...
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2011, 11:25:AM
What was Sheila apologizing for doing?
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2011, 11:28:AM
If Sheila was dead, and she had been killed by Jeremy, how could she still be alive at the scene, and telling DCI "Taff" Jones, that she was sorry for everything?"

What did she mean, she was sorry for everything?

Why did DCI "Taff" Jones arrive at the scene, not knowing that anyone had been shot and that they were all found dead?
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: Kaldin on April 10, 2011, 11:29:AM
Mike, you're asking questions that none of us can answer because nobody here has seen evidence that any of that happened.
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: jon on April 10, 2011, 11:31:AM
How have these document's been obtained ? I appreciate if you dont want to say at this stage !
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2011, 11:32:AM
How have these document's been obtained ? I appreciate if you dont want to say at this stage !
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Via a distant relative of "Taff" Jones...
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2011, 11:38:AM
Former DCI "Taff" Jones has become the fall guy for the supposed failings of EP's investigation into these deaths - they blame him for the way the original investigation was handled, and yet, there were very many senior police officers all involved in the cover up, including the involvement of ACC Peter Simpson...

It would appear that distant relatives found themselves in possession of crucial documents that outline what really did happen at the scene, and they are prepared to release them, with a view to helping to prove that JB did not kill his sister in the bedroom at whf, and he did not stage manage her body there to make it look like a suicide, but also because of the overwhelming desire to clear the good name of DCI "Taff" Jones, who has been made a scapegoat for the problems associated with the investigations, and prosecution of JB...

Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: Kaldin on April 10, 2011, 11:41:AM
Taff Jones had nine months in which to tell a lot of people if he spoke to Sheila. He apparently didn't tell anyone.
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2011, 11:43:AM
Taff Jones had nine months in which to tell a lot of people if he spoke to Sheila. He apparently didn't tell anyone.
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He discussed it at length with all the other senior police officers who were involved in the cover up...
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: Kaldin on April 10, 2011, 11:44:AM
Taff Jones had nine months in which to tell a lot of people if he spoke to Sheila. He apparently didn't tell anyone.
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He discussed it at length with all the other senior police officers who were involved in the cover up...

How do you know that?

He didn't bother to tell the relatives that he spoke to Sheila did he? He also didn't bother to tell Jeremy.

Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2011, 11:53:AM
Taff Jones had nine months in which to tell a lot of people if he spoke to Sheila. He apparently didn't tell anyone.
--------------

He discussed it at length with all the other senior police officers who were involved in the cover up...

How do you know that?

He didn't bother to tell the relatives that he spoke to Sheila did he? He also didn't bother to tell Jeremy.
-----------------

He didn't need to tell the relatives, but it showed by his attitude towards them when they were trying to suggest that JB had killed everyone...

He didn't need to speak to anyone, other than those who were directly involved in the cover up - and DS "Stan" Jones, by the way, was not privy to the cover up, in the early stages of the investigation, which is why he comes across as being a pain in the butt, to DCI "Taff" Jones, and the others - however, he was later brought into the circle and told the truth about what took place...

The relatives became suspicious because they did not feel it was right, and so did DS "Stan" Jones, for different reasons:-

The relatives and DS Jones, became suspicious because there was a cover up...



Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: Kaldin on April 10, 2011, 11:56:AM
Taff Jones had nine months in which to tell a lot of people if he spoke to Sheila. He apparently didn't tell anyone.
--------------

He discussed it at length with all the other senior police officers who were involved in the cover up...

How do you know that?

He didn't bother to tell the relatives that he spoke to Sheila did he? He also didn't bother to tell Jeremy.
-----------------

He didn't need to tell the relatives, but it showed by his attitude towards them when they were trying to suggest that JB had killed everyone...

He didn't need to speak to anyone, other than those who were directly involved in the cover up - and DS "Stan" Jones, by the way, was not privy to the cover up, in the early stages of the investigation, which is why he comes across as being a pain in the butt, to DCI "Taff" Jones, and the others - however, he was later brought into the circle and told the truth about what took place...

The relatives became suspicious because they did not feel it was right, and so did DS "Stan" Jones, for different reasons:-

The relatives and DS Jones, became suspicious because there was a cover up...

He didn't need to, but there was nothing stopping him from doing so. Why would he not tell Jeremy and his relatives that he spoke to Sheila?
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2011, 12:05:PM
Taff Jones had nine months in which to tell a lot of people if he spoke to Sheila. He apparently didn't tell anyone.
--------------

He discussed it at length with all the other senior police officers who were involved in the cover up...

How do you know that?

He didn't bother to tell the relatives that he spoke to Sheila did he? He also didn't bother to tell Jeremy.
-----------------

He didn't need to tell the relatives, but it showed by his attitude towards them when they were trying to suggest that JB had killed everyone...

He didn't need to speak to anyone, other than those who were directly involved in the cover up - and DS "Stan" Jones, by the way, was not privy to the cover up, in the early stages of the investigation, which is why he comes across as being a pain in the butt, to DCI "Taff" Jones, and the others - however, he was later brought into the circle and told the truth about what took place...

The relatives became suspicious because they did not feel it was right, and so did DS "Stan" Jones, for different reasons:-

The relatives and DS Jones, became suspicious because there was a cover up...

He didn't need to, but there was nothing stopping him from doing so. Why would he not tell Jeremy and his relatives that he spoke to Sheila?
--------------------

That was a matter for him, but he did make notes in his own handwriting and he did copy crucial documentation from the original file, marked "not to be disclosed under any circumstances", and but for his death, he would have exposed what really did take place, rather than expose JB to the possibility, of being convicted for murders he could not, and did not commit...

His distant relatives are now ensuring that the truth will finally be told...
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: Kaldin on April 10, 2011, 12:07:PM
Taff Jones had nine months in which to tell a lot of people if he spoke to Sheila. He apparently didn't tell anyone.
--------------

He discussed it at length with all the other senior police officers who were involved in the cover up...

How do you know that?

He didn't bother to tell the relatives that he spoke to Sheila did he? He also didn't bother to tell Jeremy.
-----------------

He didn't need to tell the relatives, but it showed by his attitude towards them when they were trying to suggest that JB had killed everyone...

He didn't need to speak to anyone, other than those who were directly involved in the cover up - and DS "Stan" Jones, by the way, was not privy to the cover up, in the early stages of the investigation, which is why he comes across as being a pain in the butt, to DCI "Taff" Jones, and the others - however, he was later brought into the circle and told the truth about what took place...

The relatives became suspicious because they did not feel it was right, and so did DS "Stan" Jones, for different reasons:-

The relatives and DS Jones, became suspicious because there was a cover up...

He didn't need to, but there was nothing stopping him from doing so. Why would he not tell Jeremy and his relatives that he spoke to Sheila?
--------------------

That was a matter for him, but he did make notes in his own handwriting and he did copy crucial documentation from the original file, marked "not to be disclosed under any circumstances", and but for his death, he would have exposed what really did take place, rather than expose JB to the possibility, of being convicted for murders he could not, and did not commit...

His distant relatives are now ensuring that the truth will finally be told...

Like I said, he had nine months to ensure that Jeremy was not even brought to trial, and he had a month to ensure that Jeremy was not even arrested. There was no reason for him to wait for the trial.
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: Roch on April 10, 2011, 12:12:PM
Taff Jones had nine months in which to tell a lot of people if he spoke to Sheila. He apparently didn't tell anyone.
--------------

He discussed it at length with all the other senior police officers who were involved in the cover up...

How do you know that?

He didn't bother to tell the relatives that he spoke to Sheila did he? He also didn't bother to tell Jeremy.
-----------------

He didn't need to tell the relatives, but it showed by his attitude towards them when they were trying to suggest that JB had killed everyone...

He didn't need to speak to anyone, other than those who were directly involved in the cover up - and DS "Stan" Jones, by the way, was not privy to the cover up, in the early stages of the investigation, which is why he comes across as being a pain in the butt, to DCI "Taff" Jones, and the others - however, he was later brought into the circle and told the truth about what took place...

The relatives became suspicious because they did not feel it was right, and so did DS "Stan" Jones, for different reasons:-

The relatives and DS Jones, became suspicious because there was a cover up...

He didn't need to, but there was nothing stopping him from doing so. Why would he not tell Jeremy and his relatives that he spoke to Sheila?
--------------------

That was a matter for him, but he did make notes in his own handwriting and he did copy crucial documentation from the original file, marked "not to be disclosed under any circumstances", and but for his death, he would have exposed what really did take place, rather than expose JB to the possibility, of being convicted for murders he could not, and did not commit...

His distant relatives are now ensuring that the truth will finally be told...

Like I said, he had nine months to ensure that Jeremy was not even brought to trial, and he had a month to ensure that Jeremy was not even arrested. There was no reason for him to wait for the trial.

Mike... why has it taken his distant relatives so long to attempt to clear Taff's name?  Who did they take the document to first... Arthur Negis?
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: Kaldin on April 10, 2011, 12:14:PM
Taff Jones had nine months in which to tell a lot of people if he spoke to Sheila. He apparently didn't tell anyone.
--------------

He discussed it at length with all the other senior police officers who were involved in the cover up...

How do you know that?

He didn't bother to tell the relatives that he spoke to Sheila did he? He also didn't bother to tell Jeremy.
-----------------

He didn't need to tell the relatives, but it showed by his attitude towards them when they were trying to suggest that JB had killed everyone...

He didn't need to speak to anyone, other than those who were directly involved in the cover up - and DS "Stan" Jones, by the way, was not privy to the cover up, in the early stages of the investigation, which is why he comes across as being a pain in the butt, to DCI "Taff" Jones, and the others - however, he was later brought into the circle and told the truth about what took place...

The relatives became suspicious because they did not feel it was right, and so did DS "Stan" Jones, for different reasons:-

The relatives and DS Jones, became suspicious because there was a cover up...

He didn't need to, but there was nothing stopping him from doing so. Why would he not tell Jeremy and his relatives that he spoke to Sheila?
--------------------

That was a matter for him, but he did make notes in his own handwriting and he did copy crucial documentation from the original file, marked "not to be disclosed under any circumstances", and but for his death, he would have exposed what really did take place, rather than expose JB to the possibility, of being convicted for murders he could not, and did not commit...

His distant relatives are now ensuring that the truth will finally be told...

Like I said, he had nine months to ensure that Jeremy was not even brought to trial, and he had a month to ensure that Jeremy was not even arrested. There was no reason for him to wait for the trial.

Mike... why has it taken his distant relatives so long to attempt to clear Taff's name?  Who did they take the document to first... Arthur Negis?

How are they clearing Taff's name? If he did speak to Sheila, he's the one who kept that secret from Jeremy - that could have cleared Jeremy and yet Taff "forgot" to mention it to him?
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: jon on April 10, 2011, 12:24:PM
Why is anyone worried about anything apart from the FACT that a man may be released from prison for a crime he did not commit !!
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: Kaldin on April 10, 2011, 12:25:PM
Why is anyone worried about anything apart from the FACT that a man may be released from prison for a crime he did not commit !!

I'm not sure what you mean.  ???
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: jon on April 10, 2011, 12:32:PM
Why is anyone worried about anything apart from the FACT that a man may be released from prison for a crime he did not commit !!

I'm not sure what you mean.  ???
Well you seem to want to be more worried about why he never said anything before instead of saying '  the truth is more important than anything , no matter how it comes out ' as you surely want the truth dont you or do you ?
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: Kaldin on April 10, 2011, 12:36:PM
Why is anyone worried about anything apart from the FACT that a man may be released from prison for a crime he did not commit !!

I'm not sure what you mean.  ???
Well you seem to want to be more worried about why he never said anything before instead of saying '  the truth is more important than anything , not matter how it comes out ' as you surely want the truth dont you or do you ?

My point is that I'm not convinced it happened because if it had I think it would have been mentioned 25 years ago. The main problem on this site is there are wild claims which are not backed up. Mike is not going to post proof of any of this, so at the moment it's speculation.
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: jon on April 10, 2011, 12:53:PM
Why is anyone worried about anything apart from the FACT that a man may be released from prison for a crime he did not commit !!

I'm not sure what you mean.  ???
Well you seem to want to be more worried about why he never said anything before instead of saying '  the truth is more important than anything , not matter how it comes out ' as you surely want the truth dont you or do you ?

My point is that I'm not convinced it happened because if it had I think it would have been mentioned 25 years ago. The main problem on this site is there are wild claims which are not backed up. Mike is not going to post proof of any of this, so at the moment it's speculation.
Fair enough , let's just hope for the sake of everyone the truth come's out , i am sure you can bring yourself to agree with that
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: ngb1066 on April 10, 2011, 12:56:PM
New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police

In the very latest development linked to this case, police had evidence that Sheila was in contact with them, via the telephone interception, and she told DCI "Taff"Jones, that "she was sorry for everything she had done"...

Documents which contained this information was withheld, marked "not to be disclosed under any circumstances"...

Copies of the documents are being sent to the CCRC...

Mike

I recall that you mentioned the possibilty of a tape recording of conversations with Sheila in WHF. Has the this now been confirmed to you and if so is this also being submitted to the CCRC?

Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: Kaldin on April 10, 2011, 01:00:PM
Why is anyone worried about anything apart from the FACT that a man may be released from prison for a crime he did not commit !!

I'm not sure what you mean.  ???
Well you seem to want to be more worried about why he never said anything before instead of saying '  the truth is more important than anything , not matter how it comes out ' as you surely want the truth dont you or do you ?

My point is that I'm not convinced it happened because if it had I think it would have been mentioned 25 years ago. The main problem on this site is there are wild claims which are not backed up. Mike is not going to post proof of any of this, so at the moment it's speculation.
Fair enough , let's just hope for the sake of everyone the truth come's out , i am sure you can bring yourself to agree with that

Yes of course. If it turns out that Jones did speak to Sheila and there is defininite proof of that, I shall be the first to say that Jeremy should be released without delay. If there is proof that Sheila was alive in the kitchen and that there was a cover up, I shall be the first to say that prosecutions should follow. If it can be shown that lies were told at the trial, I shall be the first to say that there should be consequences for those who told them.

In the meantime, I can't say any of those things because there is no proof, so all I can do is ask for it and cast doubt on any wild claims which appear to come out of the blue.
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: Roch on April 10, 2011, 01:27:PM
New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police

In the very latest development linked to this case, police had evidence that Sheila was in contact with them, via the telephone interception, and she told DCI "Taff"Jones, that "she was sorry for everything she had done"...

Documents which contained this information was withheld, marked "not to be disclosed under any circumstances"...

Copies of the documents are being sent to the CCRC...

Mike, is there any handwriting on the documents?
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: chochokeira on April 10, 2011, 01:28:PM
New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police

In the very latest development linked to this case, police had evidence that Sheila was in contact with them, via the telephone interception, and she told DCI "Taff"Jones, that "she was sorry for everything she had done"...

Documents which contained this information was withheld, marked "not to be disclosed under any circumstances"...

Copies of the documents are being sent to the CCRC...

I come home for some lunch and find this astonishing post. If Taff Jones's note book and/ or other key documents - which can be proven to be authentic - have surfaced after all these years and establish that Sheila was alive while Jeremy was outside the farm, then Jeremy Bamber will surely soon be a free man.

If these new documents are authentic, then how can this fail to be indicative of the mother and father of a cover up, with Taff Jones up to his neck in it? Or why else would Jones have allowed the case to progress as he did?

No need to tell you that it's not just the authenticity of whatever documents have surfaced which must be meticulously established, Mike, but also the relationship claims of the person claiming to be a distant relative of Taff's - and I mean no disrespect to this person. The official document trail between Jones and the distant relation will need to be 100% watertight to support the authenticity of this new data.

If Jeremy' defence has not already obtained the relevent document trail verifying the ID of the document owner and his/her relationship with Jones beyond doubt, they must urgently do so. Such documents can be quickly checked in an hour or so and copies of documents proving the relationship ordered on line for next day delivery.

Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2011, 01:29:PM
Taff Jones had nine months in which to tell a lot of people if he spoke to Sheila. He apparently didn't tell anyone.
--------------

He discussed it at length with all the other senior police officers who were involved in the cover up...

How do you know that?

He didn't bother to tell the relatives that he spoke to Sheila did he? He also didn't bother to tell Jeremy.
-----------------

He didn't need to tell the relatives, but it showed by his attitude towards them when they were trying to suggest that JB had killed everyone...

He didn't need to speak to anyone, other than those who were directly involved in the cover up - and DS "Stan" Jones, by the way, was not privy to the cover up, in the early stages of the investigation, which is why he comes across as being a pain in the butt, to DCI "Taff" Jones, and the others - however, he was later brought into the circle and told the truth about what took place...

The relatives became suspicious because they did not feel it was right, and so did DS "Stan" Jones, for different reasons:-

The relatives and DS Jones, became suspicious because there was a cover up...

He didn't need to, but there was nothing stopping him from doing so. Why would he not tell Jeremy and his relatives that he spoke to Sheila?
-------------------------

The cover up was designed to protect the image and reputation of EP, but if "Taff" Jones had not died he would have testified at JB's trial and told the truth...
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2011, 01:31:PM
Taff Jones had nine months in which to tell a lot of people if he spoke to Sheila. He apparently didn't tell anyone.
--------------

He discussed it at length with all the other senior police officers who were involved in the cover up...

How do you know that?

He didn't bother to tell the relatives that he spoke to Sheila did he? He also didn't bother to tell Jeremy.
-----------------

He didn't need to tell the relatives, but it showed by his attitude towards them when they were trying to suggest that JB had killed everyone...

He didn't need to speak to anyone, other than those who were directly involved in the cover up - and DS "Stan" Jones, by the way, was not privy to the cover up, in the early stages of the investigation, which is why he comes across as being a pain in the butt, to DCI "Taff" Jones, and the others - however, he was later brought into the circle and told the truth about what took place...

The relatives became suspicious because they did not feel it was right, and so did DS "Stan" Jones, for different reasons:-

The relatives and DS Jones, became suspicious because there was a cover up...

He didn't need to, but there was nothing stopping him from doing so. Why would he not tell Jeremy and his relatives that he spoke to Sheila?
--------------------

That was a matter for him, but he did make notes in his own handwriting and he did copy crucial documentation from the original file, marked "not to be disclosed under any circumstances", and but for his death, he would have exposed what really did take place, rather than expose JB to the possibility, of being convicted for murders he could not, and did not commit...

His distant relatives are now ensuring that the truth will finally be told...

Like I said, he had nine months to ensure that Jeremy was not even brought to trial, and he had a month to ensure that Jeremy was not even arrested. There was no reason for him to wait for the trial.

Mike... why has it taken his distant relatives so long to attempt to clear Taff's name?  Who did they take the document to first... Arthur Negis?

How are they clearing Taff's name? If he did speak to Sheila, he's the one who kept that secret from Jeremy - that could have cleared Jeremy and yet Taff "forgot" to mention it to him?
-----------

"Taff" didn't forget to mention it to JB, he never intended to say anything about the cover up to Jeremy...
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2011, 01:35:PM
New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police

In the very latest development linked to this case, police had evidence that Sheila was in contact with them, via the telephone interception, and she told DCI "Taff"Jones, that "she was sorry for everything she had done"...

Documents which contained this information was withheld, marked "not to be disclosed under any circumstances"...

Copies of the documents are being sent to the CCRC...

Mike

I recall that you mentioned the possibilty of a tape recording of conversations with Sheila in WHF. Has the this now been confirmed to you and if so is this also being submitted to the CCRC?
---------------------

Information has been received, and I am requesting confirmation from the source that this includes audio recordings of the crucial evidence?

I am assured it exists, its just that I have not yet been given access to it...
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: Kaldin on April 10, 2011, 01:36:PM
Taff Jones had nine months in which to tell a lot of people if he spoke to Sheila. He apparently didn't tell anyone.
--------------

He discussed it at length with all the other senior police officers who were involved in the cover up...

How do you know that?

He didn't bother to tell the relatives that he spoke to Sheila did he? He also didn't bother to tell Jeremy.
-----------------

He didn't need to tell the relatives, but it showed by his attitude towards them when they were trying to suggest that JB had killed everyone...

He didn't need to speak to anyone, other than those who were directly involved in the cover up - and DS "Stan" Jones, by the way, was not privy to the cover up, in the early stages of the investigation, which is why he comes across as being a pain in the butt, to DCI "Taff" Jones, and the others - however, he was later brought into the circle and told the truth about what took place...

The relatives became suspicious because they did not feel it was right, and so did DS "Stan" Jones, for different reasons:-

The relatives and DS Jones, became suspicious because there was a cover up...

He didn't need to, but there was nothing stopping him from doing so. Why would he not tell Jeremy and his relatives that he spoke to Sheila?
-------------------------

The cover up was designed to protect the image and reputation of EP, but if "Taff" Jones had not died he would have testified at JB's trial and told the truth...

Why would Taff Jones decide to wait until the trial to drop the Essex police in it - presumably in a very public fashion? Did he have something against them?
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2011, 01:37:PM
New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police

In the very latest development linked to this case, police had evidence that Sheila was in contact with them, via the telephone interception, and she told DCI "Taff"Jones, that "she was sorry for everything she had done"...

Documents which contained this information was withheld, marked "not to be disclosed under any circumstances"...

Copies of the documents are being sent to the CCRC...

Mike, is there any handwriting on the documents?
-------

I am led to believer that the information on some of the documentation is written in DCI "Taff" Jones handwriting - but I am waiting to check to see if it is written in his handwriting...
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2011, 01:38:PM
New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police

In the very latest development linked to this case, police had evidence that Sheila was in contact with them, via the telephone interception, and she told DCI "Taff"Jones, that "she was sorry for everything she had done"...

Documents which contained this information was withheld, marked "not to be disclosed under any circumstances"...

Copies of the documents are being sent to the CCRC...

Mike

I recall that you mentioned the possibilty of a tape recording of conversations with Sheila in WHF. Has the this now been confirmed to you and if so is this also being submitted to the CCRC?
-----------------

I have not yet heard the recording, but I am assured that such recordings exist...
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2011, 01:40:PM
New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police

In the very latest development linked to this case, police had evidence that Sheila was in contact with them, via the telephone interception, and she told DCI "Taff"Jones, that "she was sorry for everything she had done"...

Documents which contained this information was withheld, marked "not to be disclosed under any circumstances"...

Copies of the documents are being sent to the CCRC...

I come home for some lunch and find this astonishing post. If Taff Jones's note book and/ or other key documents - which can be proven to be authentic - have surfaced after all these years and establish that Sheila was alive while Jeremy was outside the farm, then Jeremy Bamber will surely soon be a free man.

If these new documents are authentic, then how can this fail to be indicative of the mother and father of a cover up, with Taff Jones up to his neck in it? Or why else would Jones have allowed the case to progress as he did?

No need to tell you that it's not just the authenticity of whatever documents have surfaced which must be meticulously established, Mike, but also the relationship claims of the person claiming to be a distant relative of Taff's - and I mean no disrespect to this person. The official document trail between Jones and the distant relation will need to be 100% watertight to support the authenticity of this new data.

If Jeremy' defence has not already obtained the relevent document trail verifying the ID of the document owner and his/her relationship with Jones beyond doubt, they must urgently do so. Such documents can be quickly checked in an hour or so and copies of documents proving the relationship ordered on line for next day delivery.
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Does anyone know the name of former DCI "Taff" Jones, widow, and if and when she died or passed away?
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2011, 01:44:PM
Taff Jones had nine months in which to tell a lot of people if he spoke to Sheila. He apparently didn't tell anyone.
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He discussed it at length with all the other senior police officers who were involved in the cover up...

How do you know that?

He didn't bother to tell the relatives that he spoke to Sheila did he? He also didn't bother to tell Jeremy.
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He didn't need to tell the relatives, but it showed by his attitude towards them when they were trying to suggest that JB had killed everyone...

He didn't need to speak to anyone, other than those who were directly involved in the cover up - and DS "Stan" Jones, by the way, was not privy to the cover up, in the early stages of the investigation, which is why he comes across as being a pain in the butt, to DCI "Taff" Jones, and the others - however, he was later brought into the circle and told the truth about what took place...

The relatives became suspicious because they did not feel it was right, and so did DS "Stan" Jones, for different reasons:-

The relatives and DS Jones, became suspicious because there was a cover up...

He didn't need to, but there was nothing stopping him from doing so. Why would he not tell Jeremy and his relatives that he spoke to Sheila?
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The cover up was designed to protect the image and reputation of EP, but if "Taff" Jones had not died he would have testified at JB's trial and told the truth...

Why would Taff Jones decide to wait until the trial to drop the Essex police in it - presumably in a very public fashion? Did he have something against them?
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Like so many cases in the past, proceedings against an accused have been discontinued for various reasons - I believe that if former DCI "taff" Jones had not died, that JB would never have been brought to trial, for obvious reasons...
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: Alias on April 10, 2011, 01:45:PM
It is my understanding that "Taff" Jones in no way believed that Jeremy Bamber had anything to do with the murders and that he was very annoyed by the extended family´s meddling with the case.
Was he annoyed simply because he believed or knew that JB didn´t do it - or because he was involved in a police-cover-up and wanted it kept in the dark?
Strange timing of his death and strange death. Coincidences happen, but this one makes you wonder.
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: Roch on April 10, 2011, 01:46:PM
Mike, I know I've already asked this further up... but.. Do you know if the documents have any handwriting upon them that could be compared to handwriting upon other already known contemporaneous documents linked to the case?
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: chochokeira on April 10, 2011, 01:46:PM
New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police

In the very latest development linked to this case, police had evidence that Sheila was in contact with them, via the telephone interception, and she told DCI "Taff"Jones, that "she was sorry for everything she had done"...

Documents which contained this information was withheld, marked "not to be disclosed under any circumstances"...

Copies of the documents are being sent to the CCRC...

I come home for some lunch and find this astonishing post. If Taff Jones's note book and/ or other key documents - which can be proven to be authentic - have surfaced after all these years and establish that Sheila was alive while Jeremy was outside the farm, then Jeremy Bamber will surely soon be a free man.

If these new documents are authentic, then how can this fail to be indicative of the mother and father of a cover up, with Taff Jones up to his neck in it? Or why else would Jones have allowed the case to progress as he did?

No need to tell you that it's not just the authenticity of whatever documents have surfaced which must be meticulously established, Mike, but also the relationship claims of the person claiming to be a distant relative of Taff's - and I mean no disrespect to this person. The official document trail between Jones and the distant relation will need to be 100% watertight to support the authenticity of this new data.

If Jeremy' defence has not already obtained the relevent document trail verifying the ID of the document owner and his/her relationship with Jones beyond doubt, they must urgently do so. Such documents can be quickly checked in an hour or so and copies of documents proving the relationship ordered on line for next day delivery.

I'm not suggesting, by the way, that this evidence cannot be verified by means other than a relationship trail, I am just concerned that any possible obstacles that issues in the alleged relationship trail could throw up be removed or dealt with prior to presentation of this evidence to the CCRC.
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2011, 01:46:PM
I am looking for confirmation of DCI "Taff" Jones, and his widows, next of kin?

Can anybody help with this information, please...
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2011, 01:48:PM
Mike, I know I've already asked this further up... but.. Do you know if the documents have any handwriting upon them that could be compared to handwriting upon other already known contemporaneous documents linked to the case?
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For what its worth I have copies of documents containing the handwriting of former DCI "Taff" Jones, which I will be making a comparison of,  if and when I receive copies of the new material...
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: Roch on April 10, 2011, 01:51:PM
Mike, I know I've already asked this further up... but.. Do you know if the documents have any handwriting upon them that could be compared to handwriting upon other already known contemporaneous documents linked to the case?
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For what its worth I have copies of documents containing the handwriting of former DCI "Taff" Jones, which i will be making a comparison if and when I receive copies of the new material...

Yes, thanks.  I was thinking of other officers.  For example you state the docs are marked not to be disclosed.  I had wondered if any other officers had annotated the docs in any form.
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: Kaldin on April 10, 2011, 01:52:PM
It is my understanding that "Taff" Jones in no way believed that Jeremy Bamber had anything to do with the murders and that he was very annoyed by the extended family´s meddling with the case.
Was he annoyed simply because he believed or knew that JB didn´t do it - or because he was involved in a police-cover-up and wanted it kept in the dark?
Strange timing of his death and strange death. Coincidences happen, but this one makes you wonder.

If he was so annoyed, he could simply have told them that he spoke to Sheila couldn't he?
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2011, 01:52:PM
The new evidence is related to personal property recovered from the home of former DCI "Taff" Jones, and his wife, by a distant relative, after "Taffs" wife passed away, and the house was cleared of all its possessions...
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: chochokeira on April 10, 2011, 01:52:PM
I am looking for confirmation of DCI "Taff" Jones, and his widows, next of kin?

Can anybody help with this information, please...

What was Taff's real Christian name, Mike? Do we know roughly how old he was? He presumably died in 1986? Jones is one of, if not the, commonest surname in the British Isles: if he was Welsh...gawd 'elp us. But we might get lucky.
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2011, 01:53:PM
It is my understanding that "Taff" Jones in no way believed that Jeremy Bamber had anything to do with the murders and that he was very annoyed by the extended family´s meddling with the case.
Was he annoyed simply because he believed or knew that JB didn´t do it - or because he was involved in a police-cover-up and wanted it kept in the dark?
Strange timing of his death and strange death. Coincidences happen, but this one makes you wonder.

If he was so annoyed, he could simply have told them that he spoke to Sheila couldn't he?
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He could have, but he might not have chosen to do so, because of the implications to and upon the reputation of EP...
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2011, 01:56:PM
Details of "Taff" Jones death, could be obtained from St Catherines House, London, providing the date of his death was accurately known, or verified - also it would be possible to establish the name of his wife, from those same records...
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: Alias on April 10, 2011, 02:00:PM
I am looking for confirmation of DCI "Taff" Jones, and his widows, next of kin?

Can anybody help with this information, please...

Doesn´t the distant relative know something?
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: Kaldin on April 10, 2011, 02:01:PM
It is my understanding that "Taff" Jones in no way believed that Jeremy Bamber had anything to do with the murders and that he was very annoyed by the extended family´s meddling with the case.
Was he annoyed simply because he believed or knew that JB didn´t do it - or because he was involved in a police-cover-up and wanted it kept in the dark?
Strange timing of his death and strange death. Coincidences happen, but this one makes you wonder.

If he was so annoyed, he could simply have told them that he spoke to Sheila couldn't he?
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He could have, but he might not have chosen to do so, because of the implications to and upon the reputation of EP...

I don't buy that. If he was willing to give evidence at the trial, he obviously had no compunction about any such implications.
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2011, 02:03:PM
It is my understanding that "Taff" Jones in no way believed that Jeremy Bamber had anything to do with the murders and that he was very annoyed by the extended family´s meddling with the case.
Was he annoyed simply because he believed or knew that JB didn´t do it - or because he was involved in a police-cover-up and wanted it kept in the dark?
Strange timing of his death and strange death. Coincidences happen, but this one makes you wonder.

If he was so annoyed, he could simply have told them that he spoke to Sheila couldn't he?
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He could have, but he might not have chosen to do so, because of the implications to and upon the reputation of EP...

I don't buy that. If he was willing to give evidence at the trial, he obviously had no compunction about any such implications.
-

You don't know that - for example, he could have been waiting to a point closer to the date when the trial was due to commence and he could have voiced his concerns to the DPP / CPS...

Many cases get discontinued by this very same process...
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: ngb1066 on April 10, 2011, 02:07:PM
It is my understanding that "Taff" Jones in no way believed that Jeremy Bamber had anything to do with the murders and that he was very annoyed by the extended family´s meddling with the case.
Was he annoyed simply because he believed or knew that JB didn´t do it - or because he was involved in a police-cover-up and wanted it kept in the dark?
Strange timing of his death and strange death. Coincidences happen, but this one makes you wonder.

If he was so annoyed, he could simply have told them that he spoke to Sheila couldn't he?
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He could have, but he might not have chosen to do so, because of the implications to and upon the reputation of EP...

I don't buy that. If he was willing to give evidence at the trial, he obviously had no compunction about any such implications.
-

You don't know that - for example, he could have been waiting to a point closer to the date when the trial was due to commence and he could have voiced his concerns to the DPOP / CPS...

Many cases get discontinued by this very same process...

Mike

Does Jeremy say that "Taff" Jones had agreed to give evidence at trial for the defence?  If so it would have been normal procedure for Jeremy's solicitors to have taken a witness statement from him.  Do you know if this happened?

Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: Kaldin on April 10, 2011, 02:09:PM
It is my understanding that "Taff" Jones in no way believed that Jeremy Bamber had anything to do with the murders and that he was very annoyed by the extended family´s meddling with the case.
Was he annoyed simply because he believed or knew that JB didn´t do it - or because he was involved in a police-cover-up and wanted it kept in the dark?
Strange timing of his death and strange death. Coincidences happen, but this one makes you wonder.

If he was so annoyed, he could simply have told them that he spoke to Sheila couldn't he?
------------------

He could have, but he might not have chosen to do so, because of the implications to and upon the reputation of EP...

I don't buy that. If he was willing to give evidence at the trial, he obviously had no compunction about any such implications.
-

You don't know that - for example, he could have been waiting to a point closer to the date when the trial was due to commence and he could have voiced his concerns to the DPOP / CPS...

Many cases get discontinued by this very same process...

That would involve playing a strange sort of game with another man's life. If he had spoken out at the start there would have been no need for the arrest, hours of police time wasted, and a trial.
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2011, 02:10:PM
Does anyone know the name of "Taff" Jones, and his widows, next of Kin?
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: chochokeira on April 10, 2011, 02:11:PM
Details of "Taff" Jones death, could be obtained from St Catherines House, London, providing the date of his death was accurately known, or verified - also it would be possible to establish the name of his wife, from those same records...

St Catherine's House has only what I have here.
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: chochokeira on April 10, 2011, 02:25:PM
He was Thomas Jones, MIke.

I rather like the look of this one:

JONES, Thomas Emyr     Chelmsford Essex 1986 June JONES

Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2011, 04:05:PM
Deaths in Essex during 1986 of men named Thomas Jones.

JONES, Thomas Arthur     Barking & Dagenham Essex 1986 July 
JONES, Thomas Edgar     Harlow Essex 1986 June
JONES, Thomas Emyr     Chelmsford Essex 1986 June
JONES, Thomas George     Southend on Sea Essex 1986 July
JONES, Thomas Henry     Harlow Essex 1986 May
JONES, Thomas Henry J   Epping Forest Essex 1986 December


JONES, Thomas Emyr     Chelmsford Essex 1986 June

looks good.


Name: JONES, Thomas Emyr     
 
Reg District:  Chelmsford, Essex
 
Year of Reg:  1986
 
Month of Reg:  June
 
Born:  21 June 1939
 
Order details: Vol:  9,    P:  1794,    Reg No:  686

The birth indexes - I want the location of the birth to help narrow down possible locations for a marriage - these indexes normally only give the full first name plus an initial of the middle name, which is annoying as Taff appears to have had such a distinctive middle name. However, the death data I have which gives Thomas Emyr's date of birth has at least enabled me to narrow a large number of Thomas E Jones births down to the following:


JONES Thomas E Staines Middlesex 1939 Apr-May-June
JONES Thomas E Cardiganshire Central Cardiganshire 1939 Apr-May-Jun   
JONES Thomas E Bangor Caernarvonshire 1939 Apr-May-Jun   
JONES Thomas E Bedwellty Monmouthshire 1939 Apr-May-Jun


Marriages 1960 onwards - there are hundreds of them, however the following looks good to me:

JONES Thomas E Colchester Essex 1961 Jan-Feb-Mar

Name: JONES, Thomas E
Reg District:  Colchester
Cty:  Essex
Year of Reg:  1961
Quarter of Reg:  Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's surname:  Thomas
Vol 4A,   P: 1175

Name: THOMAS, Hazel J
Reg District:   Colchester
Cty:  Essex
Year of Reg:  1961
Qtr of Reg:  Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's surname:  Jones
Vol:  4A, P:1175
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Any chance of trying to find out when and if, THOMAS, Hazel J , died, and when during the last five years?

or longer?
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: tonyb on April 10, 2011, 08:51:PM
Mike, can you explain how at 1.28 you were unaware of the death of Taffs wife and at 1.52 you announce the evidence was discovered when the house was cleared following her death by the distant relative.this distant relative wasn't the bloke who also found Hitler's diaries are they mate? ;D
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: chelmsey on April 10, 2011, 08:56:PM
I am looking for confirmation of DCI "Taff" Jones, and his widows, next of kin?

Can anybody help with this information, please...

What was Taff's real Christian name, Mike? Do we know roughly how old he was? He presumably died in 1986? Jones is one of, if not the, commonest surname in the British Isles: if he was Welsh...gawd 'elp us. But we might get lucky.

His real name was Thomas.Hope this helps.
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2011, 09:02:PM
Mike, can you explain how at 1.28 you were unaware of the death of Taffs wife and at 1.52 you announce the evidence was discovered when the house was cleared following her death by the distant relative.this distant relative wasn't the bloke who also found Hitler's diaries are they mate? ;D
...................

I don't know the exact date his wife died - but as a result of the house clearance, new significant material come to light, I am led to believe...
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: tonyb on April 10, 2011, 09:07:PM
no Mike ,you stated you were unaware of Mrs Taffs death and within 30 mins came up with the death/houseclearance by relative. read it again mike. this thread is pure bullshit,mate i can see your making it up as your going along. If your not this type of thread does JB no favors
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: chochokeira on April 10, 2011, 09:09:PM
Mike, can you explain how at 1.28 you were unaware of the death of Taffs wife and at 1.52 you announce the evidence was discovered when the house was cleared following her death by the distant relative.this distant relative wasn't the bloke who also found Hitler's diaries are they mate? ;D
...................

I don't know the exact date his wife died - but as a result of the house clearance, new significant material come to light, I am led to believe...

Do you know where she was living at the time, Mike? This information would be a great help with identificating the exact her year of death
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2011, 09:15:PM
no Mike ,you stated you were unaware of Mrs Taffs death and within 30 mins came up with the death/houseclearance by relative. read it again mike. this thread is pure bullshit,mate i can see your making it up as your going along. If your not this type of thread does JB no favors
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I still don't know the date of "Taff" Jones widows death, but I do know the house was cleared out and the new material found there - so, you can call it bullshit or whatever you want, I think you are talking  bullshit...
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: chochokeira on April 10, 2011, 09:15:PM
no Mike ,you stated you were unaware of Mrs Taffs death and within 30 mins came up with the death/houseclearance by relative. read it again mike. this thread is pure bullshit,mate i can see your making it up as your going along. If your not this type of thread does JB no favors

Hi tonyb. Do you think you might be confusing Mike's writing style - he invariably adds information slowly on each thread, one para at a time - with invention?
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: tonyb on April 10, 2011, 09:24:PM
no i dont
he states he doesnt no she's dead and asks the forum for help
30 minutes later he states shes dead
now he doesnt now when she died which i can accept as he doesnt want to make a basic error on a date and get ripped to shreds
I do think he is doing an good job and sent him a personal message and supported him when we were in horseygate.
anyway, read the thread and youll see my opinion.
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2011, 09:33:PM
no i dont
he states he doesnt no she's dead and asks the forum for help
30 minutes later he states shes dead
now he doesnt now when she died which i can accept as he doesnt want to make a basic error on a date and get ripped to shreds
I do think he is doing an good job and sent him a personal message and supported him when we were in horseygate.
anyway, read the thread and youll see my opinion.
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Listen, have you been accessing my private emails, and reading what my contacts are telling me? I might not know something one minute, but by the time my contacts get in touch with me again, I could learn something new - I think you have worked it out that I received information from somebody, but I am not going to tell you who, or exactly what they told me, because I am still looking into the information I have received...

Now, you can call it bullshit, or whatever you want to...

I'm not particularly interested what you want to call it...

I know most people don't like the way I introduce bits of information and evidence along the way, but there is a purpose behind me doing that, there is a reason for it, and besides it is very interesting seeing people alter or change their views when something new is introduced into the pot of debate...

Imagine what a difference it would have made to the verdict of the jury if all this information and evidence had not been deliberately withheld and concealed from JB and the court which tried him?

I will just reiterate, that I do not know when "Taff" Jones widow died, although I accept that she must have died because the family home was cleared out and the new evidence discovered by a distant relative...

I cannot say much more than that...

Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: tonyb on April 10, 2011, 09:44:PM
you must accept my sincere apology Mike. I must state however I have no access to your private EMail rest assured... It appears to me you have received some tasty info re. belongings of Taff and are tracing the next of kin that cleared the house to firm up some details. again ,many apologies for the mix up.  Tony.
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2011, 09:56:PM
you must accept my sincere apology Mike. I must state however I have no access to your private EMail rest assured... It appears to me you have received some tasty info re. belongings of Taff and are tracing the next of kin that cleared the house to firm up some details. again ,many apologies for the mix up.  Tony.
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Apology accepted, if and when I find out anything for definite, about when "Taff" Jones widow died, and where they lived, and who conducted the clear out, and who stumbled on this new evidence, I will introduce it as normal, or bit by bit, as the case may be...
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: tonyb on April 10, 2011, 10:19:PM
 ;)
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: chochokeira on April 10, 2011, 10:20:PM
no i dont
he states he doesnt no she's dead and asks the forum for help
30 minutes later he states shes dead
now he doesnt now when she died which i can accept as he doesnt want to make a basic error on a date and get ripped to shreds
I do think he is doing an good job and sent him a personal message and supported him when we were in horseygate.
anyway, read the thread and youll see my opinion.

I wonder if  I might be responsible for this confusion, tonyb. Earlier, I posted some information about Hazel Jones which should have stated that I couldn't find her death in Essex. However, when I checked the post I realised that it appeared to suggest that I couldn't find any Hazel Jones' deaths at all. There were other errors in this post and, in copying it over to the forum, I'd also posted some personal data which I hadn't intended to post. So I removed the post. By then I had collected such a long list of data about possible matches for Hazel that I thought it too long for the list and sent the data direct to Mike instead. Perhaps you saw the post with the error and naturally took that to be correct? If so, I apologise for that.
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: grahameb on April 10, 2011, 10:27:PM
I can verify that Mike has been receiving new information regarding Taff Jones. I must however state that we are still evaluating this new information. Mike hasn't some secret stash of info if some of you may think and he is not witholding anything intentionally. It is just that we must be sure of our contacts. Therefore this information is very slow in coming. We know a little bit more about this relative and apparently he/she is not in this country and this makes communication a little more difficult. We daren't say much more until we are sure that this new evidence is safely in the hands of JB's legal team.
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: jon on April 10, 2011, 10:50:PM
I can verify that Mike has been receiving new information regarding Taff Jones. I must however state that we are still evaluating this new information. Mike hasn't some secret stash of info if some of you may think and he is not witholding anything intentionally. It is just that we must be sure of our contacts. Therefore this information is very slow in coming. We know a little bit more about this relative and apparently he/she is not in this country and this makes communication a little more difficult. We daren't say much more until we are sure that this new evidence is safely in the hands of JB's legal team.
So none of JB's legal team as seen any of this new evidence first hand ?
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: mike tesko on April 11, 2011, 03:12:AM
I can verify that Mike has been receiving new information regarding Taff Jones. I must however state that we are still evaluating this new information. Mike hasn't some secret stash of info if some of you may think and he is not witholding anything intentionally. It is just that we must be sure of our contacts. Therefore this information is very slow in coming. We know a little bit more about this relative and apparently he/she is not in this country and this makes communication a little more difficult. We daren't say much more until we are sure that this new evidence is safely in the hands of JB's legal team.
So none of JB's legal team as seen any of this new evidence first hand ?
... Aware of its content, but requiring the original material - hence the delay before it can be officially verified...
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: TJB65 on April 11, 2011, 08:40:AM
Deaths in Essex during 1986 of men named Thomas Jones.

JONES, Thomas Arthur     Barking & Dagenham Essex 1986 July 
JONES, Thomas Edgar     Harlow Essex 1986 June
JONES, Thomas Emyr     Chelmsford Essex 1986 June
JONES, Thomas George     Southend on Sea Essex 1986 July
JONES, Thomas Henry     Harlow Essex 1986 May
JONES, Thomas Henry J   Epping Forest Essex 1986 December


JONES, Thomas Emyr     Chelmsford Essex 1986 June

looks good.


Name: JONES, Thomas Emyr     
 
Reg District:  Chelmsford, Essex
 
Year of Reg:  1986
 
Month of Reg:  June
 
Born:  21 June 1939
 
Order details: Vol:  9,    P:  1794,    Reg No:  686

The birth indexes - I want the location of the birth to help narrow down possible locations for a marriage - these indexes normally only give the full first name plus an initial of the middle name, which is annoying as Taff appears to have had such a distinctive middle name. However, the death data I have which gives Thomas Emyr's date of birth has at least enabled me to narrow a large number of Thomas E Jones births down to the following:


JONES Thomas E Staines Middlesex 1939 Apr-May-June
JONES Thomas E Cardiganshire Central Cardiganshire 1939 Apr-May-Jun   
JONES Thomas E Bangor Caernarvonshire 1939 Apr-May-Jun   
JONES Thomas E Bedwellty Monmouthshire 1939 Apr-May-Jun


Marriages 1960 onwards - there are hundreds of them, however the following looks good to me:

JONES Thomas E Colchester Essex 1961 Jan-Feb-Mar

Name: JONES, Thomas E
Reg District:  Colchester
Cty:  Essex
Year of Reg:  1961
Quarter of Reg:  Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's surname:  Thomas
Vol 4A,   P: 1175

Name: THOMAS, Hazel J
Reg District:   Colchester
Cty:  Essex
Year of Reg:  1961
Qtr of Reg:  Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's surname:  Jones
Vol:  4A, P:1175
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Any chance of trying to find out when and if, THOMAS, Hazel J , died, and when during the last five years? or longer?

I've sent the details off list, Mike, as there's a long list of possibles - unfortunately.

Its definitely Thomas Emyr Jones
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: John on April 11, 2011, 02:14:PM
Taff Jones had nine months in which to tell a lot of people if he spoke to Sheila. He apparently didn't tell anyone.

They have had a lot of time to bring this out and failed to do so.  I don't think any of us would be making any apologies of any sort if shot in the throat.
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: chelmsey on April 11, 2011, 07:15:PM
For Chockokeira..............."Taff Jones" full name was Edward Thomas Jones.This may nail down your search a little easier.
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: Richard lee on April 11, 2011, 08:06:PM
Taff Jones had nine months in which to tell a lot of people if he spoke to Sheila. He apparently didn't tell anyone.

They have had a lot of time to bring this out and failed to do so.  I don't think any of us would be making any apologies of any sort if shot in the throat.
If this was true many would have known about this not just Taffy but it didn't happen. The Police had nothing to gain by all this so called cover up did they?
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: mike tesko on April 11, 2011, 09:14:PM
Taff Jones had nine months in which to tell a lot of people if he spoke to Sheila. He apparently didn't tell anyone.

They have had a lot of time to bring this out and failed to do so.  I don't think any of us would be making any apologies of any sort if shot in the throat.
If this was true many would have known about this not just Taffy but it didn't happen. The Police had nothing to gain by all this so called cover up did they?
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Oh yes they did, Sheila Caffell died in the bedroom because of mistakes made by the police - they are / were responsible for her death in the bedroom, which ever way you choose to look at it...

They moved her body from the bed to the floor, and stage managed it so PC Bird could take pictures to allow the police to say they found SC in a different position in th bedroom to that which they actually found her in...
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: FredPerry on April 11, 2011, 09:31:PM
By the way if anyone is interested the 'widow' of Taff
Jones is very much alive and well so you might want to check your sources a bit more!!
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: FredPerry on April 12, 2011, 12:38:AM
How do you know  DS Stan Jones was informed of a 'cover up' at a later date, is this fact ,has someone spoken to him about this?
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: paulg on April 12, 2011, 12:49:AM
By the way if anyone is interested the 'widow' of Taff
Jones is very much alive and well so you might want to check your sources a bit more!!

How do you know this Fred?
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: FredPerry on April 12, 2011, 01:00:AM
Because I know who she is and unless he has a second wife/widow somewhere this does not add up.
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: chochokeira on April 12, 2011, 01:31:AM
For Chockokeira..............."Taff Jones" full name was Edward Thomas Jones.This may nail down your search a little easier.

Thanks so much, Lady Chelmsy, is will help so much. Where did you find it? The (official?) police list I found has him as Thomas E Jones, so it looks as though there was a reversal of the names or initials somewhere along the line.
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: Reader on April 12, 2011, 05:30:AM
From "The Law" (The Newspaper of the Essex Police) of May 1986, with typos corrected:

IT IS with deep regret that "The Law" has to report the death of Detective Chief Inspector Thomas "Taff" Jones who died from injuries received falling from a ladder at his home address.

   Taff joined the service in 1960 and was appointed to the CID in 1963. He served for 22 years as a CID officer and had been commended on no fewer than 10 occasions.

   The funeral took place at Trinity Methodist Church, Chelmsford, on Monday May 19, and was attended by the Chief Constable, all senior officers and many of "Taff's" friends and colleagues. Taff leaves a wife and three children and "The Law" extends to them the sympathy of all his friends and colleagues on their tragic loss.
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: TJB65 on April 12, 2011, 07:48:AM
Chelmsford Weekly News 22nd May 1986
Colleagues’ farewell to ‘Taff’
Chief mourners Mrs Maureen Jones and daughters Nerys and Valmai and son Bryn/Emryn[?].
No ages given for anyone inc. Taff Jones.

There's a marriage of Maureen Lancaster & Thomas E Jones at Carnarvonshire, 1961; looks like they moved to Essex soon after...
Thankyou sarann, I read somewhere,last week that Thomas Emyr Jones was born in 1939 died 1986, I know he was definitely in his 40's when he died anyway...
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: chochokeira on April 12, 2011, 08:06:AM
From "The Law" (The Newspaper of the Essex Police) of May 1986, with typos corrected:

IT IS with deep regret that "The Law" has to report the death of Detective Chief Inspector Thomas "Taff" Jones who died from injuries received falling from a ladder at his home address.

   Taff joined the service in 1960 and was appointed to the CID in 1963. He served for 22 years as a CID officer and had been commended on no fewer than 10 occasions.

   The funeral took place at Trinity Methodist Church, Chelmsford, on Monday May 19, and was attended by the Chief Constable, all senior officers and many of "Taff's" friends and colleagues. Taff leaves a wife and three children and "The Law" extends to them the sympathy of all his friends and colleagues on their tragic loss.


Brilliant, Reader and sarann! Well done.
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: Roch on April 12, 2011, 09:58:AM
Fred Perry has put a couple of interesting posts on this thread.
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: grahameb on April 12, 2011, 10:09:AM
Because I know who she is and unless he has a second wife/widow somewhere this does not add up.
Has she moved house recently Fred? Or does she still reside in the same place?
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: grahameb on April 12, 2011, 10:14:AM
By the way I think Mike just assumed she was dead in the light of the "possible" new evidence that has "apparently" come to light. No one has told him that she was dead. It is just that he might have come to that hasty conclusion when he read that some new evidence had come to light whilst clearing out some old possessions of someone. It may have nothing to do with the widow of Taff Jones. Unfortunately a lot of speculation has sprung up as it does when folk are discussing such things?
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: grahameb on April 12, 2011, 11:32:AM
In that case I'll remove the marriage info and apologize if it was intrusive (although it's in the public domain)
Yes unfortuinately it is sarann. Not intrusive, just inquisitive. :D
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: Comeththeday on April 28, 2011, 08:56:PM
Could you post these documents showing sheila apologizing we would like to see them, thanks
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: grahameb on April 28, 2011, 11:13:PM
Could you post these documents showing sheila apologizing we would like to see them, thanks
It's all a hoax started not by Mike by the way, but by someone who just wants to derail the campaign for JB. Please read my comments a the end of the thread entitled "Breaking News"
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: shonapugs on April 28, 2011, 11:24:PM
So, is there a notebook? And is there an image of Sheila on the bed? And was the silencer relevant, or was it the ultimate red herring?
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: grahameb on April 29, 2011, 12:28:AM
There is a notebook. But the police either have it or it is among the items that were destroyed.
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: shonapugs on April 29, 2011, 12:33:AM
So...............how can that possibly help?
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: shonapugs on April 29, 2011, 12:38:AM
On the strength of that, if I was JB, I'd be asking for more sugar on my porridge.................
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: chochokeira on April 29, 2011, 12:57:AM
On the strength of that, if I was JB, I'd be asking for more sugar on my porridge.................

If I was him, I'd be doing just what he's doing, fighting for justice.
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: Hartley on April 29, 2011, 01:06:AM
On the strength of that, if I was JB, I'd be asking for more sugar on my porridge.................

If I was him, I'd be doing just what he's doing, fighting for justice.
That's fair enough, but if he was guilty and wanted to get off/get out, then he'd also probably be doing exactly what he's doing.

But alas we aren't privvy to all the facts, hopefully the CCRC are, and they give the right verdict based on the available evidence, whatever that verdict may be.
Title: Re: New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...
Post by: grahameb on April 29, 2011, 08:37:AM
So...............how can that possibly help?
It doesn't. It is all a hoax by someone who wants to cause disruption. Scott Lomax believes it is someone who also confessed to the Jill Dando murders. A real nutcase. Please note: Those of you who are of an over sensitive disposition. The word "nutcase" does not mean that I have a vendetta against mentally ill people.