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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Adam on October 13, 2014, 08:00:PM
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Having missed a memorial service, Jeremy thought he better attend the funeral.
Rather than the funeral getting in the way of his gallivanting around Europe, it was decided that a day should be made of it.
A lovely Hugo Boss suit was bought especially for the day out. Champagne was ordered for the funeral reception, although rumours that the recently purchased 'Amsterdam' cannabis was also available, is untrue.
Jeremy was concerned about the cameras not getting his good side. For a laugh, Brett suggested make up was worn to make him look more pale. Julie did not want to go, but was persuaded. 'Jolly up' buddie Brett was of course present. He wouldn't miss it for the world.
At the funeral Jeremy did Bob De Niro proud, once he exited the car. Looking down and uncomfortable, holding his hand over his face and making the same groaning sound Ann Eaton said he had made with her. The already suspicious relatives following behind.
Afterwards a relative was upset when Jeremy refused to allow her into the car. 'You're not coming with us, go with that lot'.
Things lightened up later, with friends at the Champagne reception. Especially when Jeremy entered the room. He stayed away from the relatives preferring to stay with friends in the far corner. Pointing at his Hugo Boss suit and saying 'Me Boss'.
For a short period, he really was 'the boss'.
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The old Hugo Boss suit.-----------My g/sons have Armani !
Champagne drank at any occasion,Moet Chandon-------my favourite tipple.
A lot of funerals are now celebrations of the deceaseds' lives. Whether you grieve or celebrate is purely a matter of choice.I see no wrong,nor do I look at other people what they're doing,smiling or crying. There's no hard and fast rules on how a person behaves.
This is a non-starter as far as I'm concerned. I 've been to 3 this year and the first one was a slap-up do like a party------------with champagne ! To cheer the good man on his way.
Grieving is a personal thing which happens in phases.
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Wouldn't you agree that Jeremys' way was far better than seeing a drunken crowd knocking seven bells out of one another as is the norm in some places ?
I really don't, and can't see what all the fuss is about. It's nit-picking again and I can't be doing with it.
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And I was accused of being biased?
not even going to grace this thread with a comment .
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Lookout,Jools Holland's favourite tipple is Moet Chandon aswell. He always has it as part of his rider at concerts. When my hubby worked as security for him he would bring a bottle home,but I can't stand the stuff!
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Well there you are,tyler. Only the best people drink it. ;D I like Jools.
Last holiday,there was an offer on at duty free,2 bottles of Moet reduced. It went down well for us girls on holiday. Aussie champagne is delicious and good enough to drink for breakfast. ;D ;D ;D
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And I was accused of being biased?
not even going to grace this thread with a comment .
LOL You're only biased if you are a Bamber supporter. Haven't you learned that simple equation yet Jan? ;D
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Well there you are,tyler. Only the best people drink it. ;D I like Jools.
Last holiday,there was an offer on at duty free,2 bottles of Moet reduced. It went down well for us girls on holiday. Aussie champagne is delicious and good enough to drink for breakfast. ;D ;D ;D
I once entered a driving competition with Bates Motors in Maldon wqhere they were trying to promote Daihatsu car and won £20 of free petrol and 2 bottles of Harrods wine. It was horrible. I could now see why they were anxious to give it away in a competition. ;D
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I once entered a driving competition with Bates Motors in Maldon wqhere they were trying to promote Daihatsu car and won £20 of free petrol and 2 bottles of Harrods wine. It was horrible. I could now see why they were anxious to give it away in a competition. ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D.
If I remember rightly,the offer on the Moet was 2 bottles for £50. I keep meaning to look in Asda each time I go,to see how much it is and whether there was much of a saving---------probably not. ;D ;D
Folk see me coming,I think. I've got that sort of a face. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Depends on the person, I guess Adam. Everyone grieves differently.
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LOL You're only biased if you are a Bamber supporter. Haven't you learned that simple equation yet Jan? ;D
No you are biased when you decide you want to believe a certian thing regarless of what the facts might be and then disregard those facts that prove your beliefs impossible instead of researhcing the facts, following the facts and making a decision based on those facts.
That is why those who beleive Jeremy is guilty can explain why and provide evidence and a rational basis for their beliefs while Jeremy supports can't provide a rational basis for their beliefs or evidence to back up their beliefs.
A perfect example is the bogus claim that Nevill phoned police. 6 people voted that they believe Nevill called police. Not one of them could provide a rational basis for such belief though. Worse yet one of them originally said it would makes no sense for Nevill to call Jeremy and then immediately call police and who cares that he didn't call police. Upon learning it would help establish Jeremy's innocence she decided to ignore her own reasoning and decide to believe Nevill called just because it would help Jeremy.
That is bias.
Ignoring that Sheila could not have shot herself without getting GSR on her hands and clothing and that she was GSR free and still insisting she did it anyway because they want Jeremy to be innocent is the result of bias.
Ignoring the moderator evidence by arguing it could have been innocently contaminated even though there is no way for innocent contamination to deposit blood on the first 8 baffles is the result of bias.
Ignoring that Sheila was receiving the optimal effective dosage of Haldol at the time of her death and suggesting it would not have worked because her dosage was cut in half is a bogu argument resoirted to because of bias.
Ignoring Sheila was not taking the countering agent to her Haldol and suggesting because her dosage was halved that means the countering agent was too high a dosage and stopped her Haldon from working is a bogus argument resorted to because of bias.
Ignoring that Jeremy lied to police by telling them Sheila could use all guns in the house and that he taught her how to use the murder weapon is because of bias.
Ignoring Jeremy was never known to shoot rabbits and that he staged too many bullets thus his tale of taking out the gun and bullets to shoot rabbits is not credible is ignored because of bias.
Pretending windows that Jeremy admitted to using to enter and exit were too spam for him o climb through is because of bias.
I can give another 40 plus examples of bias being used to ignore facts and evidence tha timplicates Jeremy.
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No you are biased when you decide you want to believe a certian thing regarless of what the facts might be and then disregard those facts that prove your beliefs impossible instead of researhcing the facts, following the facts and making a decision based on those facts.
That is why those who beleive Jeremy is guilty can explain why and provide evidence and a rational basis for their beliefs while Jeremy supports can't provide a rational basis for their beliefs or evidence to back up their beliefs.
A perfect example is the bogus claim that Nevill phoned police. 6 people voted that they believe Nevill called police. Not one of them could provide a rational basis for such belief though. Worse yet one of them originally said it would makes no sense for Nevill to call Jeremy and then immediately call police and who cares that he didn't call police. Upon learning it would help establish Jeremy's innocence she decided to ignore her own reasoning and decide to believe Nevill called just because it would help Jeremy.
That is bias.
Ignoring that Sheila could not have shot herself without getting GSR on her hands and clothing and that she was GSR free and still insisting she did it anyway because they want Jeremy to be innocent is the result of bias.
Ignoring the moderator evidence by arguing it could have been innocently contaminated even though there is no way for innocent contamination to deposit blood on the first 8 baffles is the result of bias.
Ignoring that Sheila was receiving the optimal effective dosage of Haldol at the time of her death and suggesting it would not have worked because her dosage was cut in half is a bogu argument resoirted to because of bias.
Ignoring Sheila was not taking the countering agent to her Haldol and suggesting because her dosage was halved that means the countering agent was too high a dosage and stopped her Haldon from working is a bogus argument resorted to because of bias.
Ignoring that Jeremy lied to police by telling them Sheila could use all guns in the house and that he taught her how to use the murder weapon is because of bias.
Ignoring Jeremy was never known to shoot rabbits and that he staged too many bullets thus his tale of taking out the gun and bullets to shoot rabbits is not credible is ignored because of bias.
Pretending windows that Jeremy admitted to using to enter and exit were too spam for him o climb through is because of bias.
I can give another 40 plus examples of bias being used to ignore facts and evidence tha timplicates Jeremy.
Scipio bias is just a description of the way you lean as the wood in bowls has a bias. It has nothing to do whether you guided by the facts or not. Everybody is biased one way or the other it has no merrit at all it is just a descriptive word.
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More interesting points.
Liz said Jeremy was in a jovial mood on the funeral day.
Brett suggested Jeremy wear white powder for a laugh. Jeremy agreed.
At the reception Jeremy avoided the relatives. Staying with Julie and friends.
After the reception Jeremy thought it an excellent idea to go out with friends. Julie didn't want to, but Jeremy insisted. 'Now was the time to relax' he said. Brett was now using Neville's old Citroen & six people piled in.
Cocktails, wine and champayne was drank. Everyone got drunk. Jeremy and Brett happily engaged with other people in the restaurant.
After arriving home, Jeremy switched on his video recorder. He wanted to watch the news coverage of the funeral. Telling friends earlier that he hoped the camera's caught his best side. He was angry when the video didn't work.
Undeterred the following morning Jeremy bought a stack of newspapers. So he could read reports of the funeral.
Jeremy told Andy Bishop he was pleased that Brett and Julie both wanted his attention.
Jeremy told Andy he wanted to sort out the death duties & wills before going on holiday. It was doubtful he would keep the tenancy at WHF.
Now the funeral was over, it was time for Andy, Karen (Bishop) Brett, Julie & Jeremy to go on holiday to Eastbourne.
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The twins funeral was the following Monday.
Jeremy was composed. Julie wept.
Ina Pargeter, the wife of Jeremy's cousin, Anthony went to share a funeral car with Jeremy. However Jeremy said 'You're not coming in here. Go with that lot'
Ina Pargeter was in tears.
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The twins funeral was the following Monday.
Jeremy was composed. Julie wept.
Ina Pargeter, the wife of Jeremy's cousin, Anthony went to share a funeral car with Jeremy. However Jeremy said 'You're not coming in here. Go with that lot'
People are allocated places in funeral cars Adam, where did that quote come from? He may very well have told her she wasn't allocated to that car and to go in the car she was allocated to be in, so what?. You are really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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Having missed a memorial service, Jeremy thought he better attend the funeral.
Rather than the funeral getting in the way of his gallivanting around Europe, it was decided that a day should be made of it.
A lovely Hugo Boss suit was bought especially for the day out. Champagne was ordered for the funeral reception, although rumours that the recently purchased 'Amsterdam' cannabis was also available, is untrue.
Jeremy was concerned about the cameras not getting his good side. For a laugh, make up was worn to make him look more pale. Julie did not want to go, but was persuaded. 'Jolly up' buddie Brett was of course present. He wouldn't miss it for the world.
At the funeral Jeremy did Bob De Niro proud, once he exited the car. Looking down, holding his hand over his face and making the same groaning sound Ann Eaton said he had made with her. The already suspicious relatives following behind.
Things lightened up later, with friends at the Champagne reception. Especially when Jeremy entered the room, pointed at his Hugo Boss suit and said 'Me Boss'.
For a short period, he really was 'the boss'.
havent you ever heard of wake and in case anybody hasn't told you its normal to wear a nice suit to a funereal.
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Having missed a memorial service, Jeremy thought he better attend the funeral.
Rather than the funeral getting in the way of his gallivanting around Europe, it was decided that a day should be made of it.
A lovely Hugo Boss suit was bought especially for the day out. Champagne was ordered for the funeral reception, although rumours that the recently purchased 'Amsterdam' cannabis was also available, is untrue.
Jeremy was concerned about the cameras not getting his good side. For a laugh, make up was worn to make him look more pale. Julie did not want to go, but was persuaded. 'Jolly up' buddie Brett was of course present. He wouldn't miss it for the world.
At the funeral Jeremy did Bob De Niro proud, once he exited the car. Looking down, holding his hand over his face and making the same groaning sound Ann Eaton said he had made with her. The already suspicious relatives following behind.
Things lightened up later, with friends at the Champagne reception. Especially when Jeremy entered the room, pointed at his Hugo Boss suit and said 'Me Boss'.
For a short period, he really was 'the boss'.
It's not unusual for a man of his age not to have a suit and certainly nothing unusual to want to buy a decent suit for such an occasion. The suit was possibly a necessary purchase and I see nothing sinister in buying a designer suit.
Jeremy didn't put powder on his face, it was a joke made by Brett Collins.
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It's not unusual for a man of his age not to have a suit and certainly nothing unusual to want to buy a decent suit for such an occasion. The suit was possibly a necessary purchase and I see nothing sinister in buying a designer suit.
Jeremy didn't put powder on his face, it was a joke made by Brett Collins.
Is that what Jeremy told you ?
He certainly looked very pale at the funeral. Although in fine spirits immediately before and afterwards as my earlier post today confirms.
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so what do you wear to a funruel then adam
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so what do you wear to a funruel then adam
When my dad dies, ideally a Hugo Boss suit. Then I can point at it and say 'Me Boss'.
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When my dad dies, ideally a Hugo Boss suit. Then I can point at it and say 'Me Boss'.
Advice: Be careful of speaking idle words as they have a tendency of biting back ten times harder.
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Advice: Be careful of speaking idle words as they have a tendency of biting back ten times harder.
There are things you can joke about - and then there are some you shouldn´t.....
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When my dad dies, ideally a Hugo Boss suit. Then I can point at it and say 'Me Boss'.
Can you get any weirder, it's quite frightening
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Is that what Jeremy told you ?
He certainly looked very pale at the funeral. Although in fine spirits immediately before and afterwards as my earlier post today confirms.
No, it's clearly written in both Julie's statement and Wilkes's book.
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When my dad dies, ideally a Hugo Boss suit. Then I can point at it and say 'Me Boss'.
What a stupid thing to say!
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What a stupid thing to say!
Yes, Jeremy should not have said it.
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Yes, Jeremy should not have said it.
It would seem that it's not just Jeremy who is capable of callousness - I wonder what you dad would make of your comment? I'd ask you to not tempt fate but you're too immature to take any notice.
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Adam I think when your Father does die you will feel quite differently to what you are posting on here what you are actually inferring is your Father is your boss and your post could be quite insulting to him hope he does not read the forum :'(
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http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=284.0
I could not see anything in here about Jeremy refusing Brett's suggestion that he should make up to make himself look more pale. Surely Jeremy would not be a party pooper.
Wilkes's book does not confirm or deny whether Jeremy agreed to Brett's suggestion. Although he did look very pale at the funeral.
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http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=284.0
I could not see anything in here about Jeremy refusing Brett's suggestion that he should make up to make himself look more pale. Surely Jeremy would not be a party pooper.
Wilkes's book does not confirm or deny whether Jeremy agreed to Brett's suggestion. Although he did look very pale at the funeral.
If you can't find the reference, that's your problem and if you want to repeat incorrect information that also your prerogative - I'm not looking for it for you!
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If you can't find the reference, that's your problem and if you want to repeat incorrect information that also your prerogative - I'm not looking for it for you!
It is not in Julies WS. Which I kindly posted the link for you to read. Sheet 15.
It is also not in Wilkes's book.
Brett suggested Jeremy wear make up to make him look pale. Jeremy looked pale at the funeral. Therefore I was right. Unless a source shows otherwise.
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It is not in Julies WS. Which I kindly posted the link for you to read. Sheet 15.
It is also not in Wilkes's book.
Brett suggested Jeremy wear make up to make him look pale. Jeremy looked pale at the funeral. Therefore I was right. Unless a source shows otherwise.
You are getting desperate now . I suppose you think him having black hair is relevant as well ::) That would definitely make him a murderer ( not a new age romantic) .
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You are getting desperate now . I suppose you think him having black hair is relevant as well ::) That would definitely make him a murderer ( not a new age romantic) .
Just responding to another poster who said Jeremy did not wear make up at the funeral to make himself look pale. After Brett suggested this.
The two sources given to me do not state this.
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It is not in Julies WS. Which I kindly posted the link for you to read. Sheet 15.
It is also not in Wilkes's book.
Brett suggested Jeremy wear make up to make him look pale. Jeremy looked pale at the funeral. Therefore I was right. Unless a source shows otherwise.
Bamber was a rather vain chappie I must admit. But it doesn't make him a murderer.
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Just responding to another poster who said Jeremy did not wear make up at the funeral to make himself look pale. After Brett suggested this.
The two sources given to me do not state this.
So do you think there is any other possible reason he might look pale in a black and white photograph of a funeral?
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Adam, go look at the photos from the funeral in the picture thread (bottom, page one). Jeremy is no paler than anybody else attending.
Just another silly claim to blacken Jeremy.
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Having missed a memorial service, Jeremy thought he better attend the funeral.
Rather than the funeral getting in the way of his gallivanting around Europe, it was decided that a day should be made of it.
A lovely Hugo Boss suit was bought especially for the day out. Champagne was ordered for the funeral reception, although rumours that the recently purchased 'Amsterdam' cannabis was also available, is untrue.
Jeremy was concerned about the cameras not getting his good side. For a laugh, make up was worn to make him look more pale. Julie did not want to go, but was persuaded. 'Jolly up' buddie Brett was of course present. He wouldn't miss it for the world.
At the funeral Jeremy did Bob De Niro proud, once he exited the car. Looking down, holding his hand over his face and making the same groaning sound Ann Eaton said he had made with her. The already suspicious relatives following behind.
Things lightened up later, with friends at the Champagne reception. Especially when Jeremy entered the room, pointed at his Hugo Boss suit and said 'Me Boss'.
For a short period, he really was 'the boss'.
if you have seen what I have you would have posted one very different maiden post.
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if you have seen what I have you would have posted one very different maiden post.
do you mean on that particular day - or in general?
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Dressing smart today looks odd , somehow you come across as above others you don't see folks dress smart thesedays we live in the age of trainers and trackie bottoms a borderline of a Rab C Nesbit culture if you will , but back then there existed some morals dressing smart was no crime then I consider it a show of respect I notice today its crumbled to pieces and back in the 80s the English Language was still in force but would in time slip to the insane and dumb tone of Do you know what I mean society, which gladly I opted out of if dressing smart is and was a crime then , then lets have Jeremy in court and have him on that .
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Good post,Mertol.
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Dressing smart today looks odd , somehow you come across as above others you don't see folks dress smart thesedays we live in the age of trainers and trackie bottoms a borderline of a Rab C Nesbit culture if you will , but back then there existed some morals dressing smart was no crime then I consider it a show of respect I notice today its crumbled to pieces and back in the 80s the English Language was still in force but would in time slip to the insane and dumb tone of Do you know what I mean society, which gladly I opted out of if dressing smart is and was a crime then , then lets have Jeremy in court and have him on that .
yes he needs lessons on exactly how to react when you have lost your family and are being hounded constantly by the press. There must be a manual with instructions somewhere .
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yes he needs lessons on exactly how to react when you have lost your family and are being hounded constantly by the press. There must be a manual with instructions somewhere .
None of us knows how we're going to do it until we're in a position of having to, but I find it sickeningly disrespectful when Adam makes crude and tasteless comments about it.
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None of us knows how we're going to do it until we're in a position of having to, but I find it sickeningly disrespectful when Adam makes crude and tasteless comments about it.
I don´t know how you can make a joke about one of your parents´ funeral - but he did! :o
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None of us knows how we're going to do it until we're in a position of having to, but I find it sickeningly disrespectful when Adam makes crude and tasteless comments about it.
It's because he is a crude,disrespectful and tasteless person,April. He can't help it.
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I don´t know how you can make a joke about one of your parents´ funeral - but he did! :o
He probably thinks it makes him look sophisticated and adult.
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I said at the time I read Colins book that one thing I did appreciate more was the absolute hell they all went through with the press and that included them getting into granny Bambers house under false pretences.
That included relatives of Colins and Jeremy and Julie - it was unrelenting and very cruel.
And that included the funerals .
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How can an overgrown schoolboy slob look sophisticated ? ;D
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I said at the time I read Colins book that one thing I did appreciate more was the absolute hell they all went through with the press and that included them getting into granny Bambers house under false pretences.
That included relatives of Colins and Jeremy and Julie - it was unrelenting and very cruel.
And that included the funerals .
Jan, all these years on, I think we tend to forget just how big the story was. The local media made copy of it for years. It was the area version of Diana's death.
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No, it's clearly written in both Julie's statement and Wilkes's book.
FOR ADAM!
Chapter 11 Page 90 in Wilkes's book states that Brett Collin's told Jeremy to put white powder on his face to make him LOOK sadder and that it was JUST A JOKE! He didn't actually have make-up on, they JOKED ABOUT IT!
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FOR ADAM!
Chapter 11 Page 90 in Wilkes's book states that Brett Collin's told Jeremy to put white powder on his face to make him LOOK sadder and that it was JUST A JOKE! He didn't actually have make-up on, they JOKED ABOUT IT!
No comment Adam?
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'Brett suggested that Jeremy accentuate his grief by wearing white powder on his face. It was, the New Zealander declared, purely a joke'.
This does not state whether Bamber wore make up or not. It just said there was a conversation about it. You claimed he certainly did not although his skin does look a lot more pale than usual.