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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: JackiePreece on September 26, 2014, 05:38:PM
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How would the trial judge, the defence barrister, the prosecution barrister, the jury and Colin Caffell have felt when the newspaper was published
Ngb do you know how many days it was from Mugfords testimony until a very happy girl posed in her underwear for the NOTW
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Jackie - no underwear... WTF was she thinking?! This was a very tragic murder case involving innocent little children!
(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5242.0;attach=35812;image)
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How would the trial judge, the defence barrister, the prosecution barrister, the jury and Colin Caffell have felt when the newspaper was published
Ngb do you know how many days it was from Mugfords testimony until a very happy girl posed in her underwear for the NOTW
i dont know how the barristers felt there probely used to that sort of thing but i doubt if colin caffell would of been very happy.
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I bet the relatives weren't overjoyed either.
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I am absolutely convinced the trial judges summing up would have been completely different had he known about the deal
I would have loved to ask him that question
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Go ahead and ask him,Jackie. He may have mellowed with his new wifey. ;D
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well if the jury had known they may well og given less weight to her evidence.
there also the fact the judge was lied to.
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You can bet your life they know now,nugs. :-[
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i wonder what they all thought when they saw that.
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i wonder what they all thought when they saw that.
It must have been absolutely mortifying! I don´t know why Colin has never talked about this, to a lesser degree the relatives of the Bambers.
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well he probebly doesnt want to be reminded of it.
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How would the trial judge, the defence barrister, the prosecution barrister, the jury and Colin Caffell have felt when the newspaper was published
Ngb do you know how many days it was from Mugfords testimony until a very happy girl posed in her underwear for the NOTW
One week I think? A nasty piece of work. I wonder what the family thought of it at the time. Making money out of a trajedy.
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Jackie - no underwear... WTF was she thinking?! This was a very tragic murder case involving innocent little children!
(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5242.0;attach=35812;image)
But...but Alias. You know that these pin-up pictures were essential to the story and that they physically forced her to dress like that in the hotel room they paid for her to stay in. ::)
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Go ahead and ask him,Jackie. He may have mellowed with his new wifey. ;D
You may find him with miss whiplash?
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This must be about the 5th time Alias has put this picture up since I joined. And she says she is undecided. Well has been saying it since others turned.
As everyone knows Jeremy had a deal a long time before Julie. He wanted 100k and promised it would be an explosive story. Just as his offer to the sun of Sheila's pictures would have been.
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This must be about the 5th time Alias has put this picture up since I joined. And she says she is undecided. Well has been saying it since others turned.
As everyone knows Jeremy had a deal a long time before Julie. He wanted 100k and promised it would be an explosive story. Just as his offer to the sun of Sheila's pictures would have been.
She only puts it up because she knows you salivate over it. I believe you've said, once or twice, that you think Julie looks tasty.
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This must be about the 5th time Alias has put this picture up since I joined. And she says she is undecided. Well has been saying it since others turned.
As everyone knows Jeremy had a deal a long time before Julie. He wanted 100k and promised it would be an explosive story. Just as his offer to the sun of Sheila's pictures would have been.
I rather think that it is not so much that Bamber got banged up, but that she got off scott free. Because she got off scott free she was then able to go to Canada. Canada do not accept people with criminal records. So forgive those who think she was exceptionally lucky to get away with an unblemished record. For the life of me I cannot understand why people defend her? The family certainly do not like her.
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The NOTW approached Julie after realising Jeremy may be found guilty. They needed a back up exclusive.
Julie could have demanded the same fee as Jeremy. They would have to pay it if Bamber got convicted and the NOTW wanted an exclusive. Or they would have nothing.
But she settled for 25k. A lot less than Bamber. However Bamber still moaned to his lawyers on the morning of the verdict about his NOTW deal.
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What does it matter ? It's a reminder of who put Jeremy away.Because nothing else did !
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She only puts it up because she knows you salivate over it. I believe you've said, once or twice, that you think Julie looks tasty.
I have never said that. Do not lie.
Once, I said she was naturally quite pretty but looked slutty in the NOTW article.
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I rather think that it is not so much that Bamber got banged up, but that she got off scott free. Because she got off scott free she was then able to go to Canada. Canada do not accept people with criminal records. So forgive those who think she was exceptionally lucky to get away with an unblemished record. For the life of me I cannot understand why people defend her? The family certainly do not like her.
Have you got a source saying the family do not like her.
Thank you.
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What does it matter ? It's a reminder of who put Jeremy away.Because nothing else did !
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I rather think that it is not so much that Bamber got banged up, but that she got off scott free. Because she got off scott free she was then able to go to Canada. Canada do not accept people with criminal records. So forgive those who think she was exceptionally lucky to get away with an unblemished record. For the life of me I cannot understand why people defend her? The family certainly do not like her.
i dont know the man who cliamed to have spokesman defended her.
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Have you got a source saying the family do not like her.
Thank you.
it would be rather disturbing if they did like her agter seeing that.
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Have you got a source saying the family do not like her.
Thank you.
Yes vidvic. I've spoken to him on the phone.
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The NOTW approached Julie after realising Jeremy may be found guilty. They needed a back up exclusive.
Julie could have demanded the same fee as Jeremy. They would have to pay it if Bamber got convicted and the NOTW wanted an exclusive. Or they would have nothing.
But she settled for 25k. A lot less than Bamber. However Bamber still moaned to his lawyers on the morning of the verdict about his NOTW deal.
Now shall we look at this sensibly? He was either going to be guilty or innocent. Unlike the Scots, we don't do "Not proven" so the NOTW weren't hedging TOO many bets, were they?
I think it HIGHLY unlikely they'd have paid Julie what they'd have paid Jeremy. Julie wasn't being charged. Also, I imagine that the amount paid was done and dusted before the outcome to prevent a wily lawyer saying she was entitled to more.
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Yes vidvic. I've spoken to him on the phone.
thats not what he seemed to be saying when he was on here.
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well if the jury had known they may well og given less weight to her evidence.
there also the fact the judge was lied to.
The jury did not know about either NOTW verbal deals. They did not need to. Nothing had been signed.
They would guess that both would have a deal after the verdict. It was a high profile case.
The jury did know about Susan Battersby's 1984 minor cheque book fraud. The defence brought it up to try to discredit her.
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This must be about the 5th time Alias has put this picture up since I joined. And she says she is undecided. Well has been saying it since others turned.
As everyone knows Jeremy had a deal a long time before Julie. He wanted 100k and promised it would be an explosive story. Just as his offer to the sun of Sheila's pictures would have been.
No, I have always said that. Members here are my witnesses. You try to claim otherwise, but you are wrong.
What has posting this picture got to do with my stance on the case?'
Anyway, I just wrote that I am 99.9% sure that Julie was in on it if Jeremy is indeed guilty. I don´t feel bad posting this picture - she posed for it herself and got her pay.
Thank you!
(And what you say has not an iota to do with what I think about this case! I know you think you have turned other people, Caroline, April, Susan, they have to fend for themselves - you haven´t had any impact on me - just <-----Italics :P - posh..... :P), my stance has never changed. It is the same as the very first day I heard about the case a few years back - before you were here.
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Now shall we look at this sensibly? He was either going to be guilty or innocent. Unlike the Scots, we don't do "Not proven" so the NOTW weren't hedging TOO many bets, were they?
I think it HIGHLY unlikely they'd have paid Julie what they'd have paid Jeremy. Julie wasn't being charged. Also, I imagine that the amount paid was done and dusted before the outcome to prevent a wily lawyer saying she was entitled to more.
I think your credibility has gone out the window April, even with Adam.
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I have never said that. Do not lie.
Once, I said she was naturally quite pretty but looked slutty in the NOTW article.
No need to be embarrassed because you fancy her. We're all -well, SOME of us are- broadminded here ;)
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The jury did not know about either NOTW verbal deals. They did not need to. Nothing had been signed.
They would guess that both would have a deal after the verdict. It was a high profile case.
The jury did know about Susan Battersby's 1984 minor cheque book fraud. The defence brought it up to try to discredit her.
how would they guess there human beings there not psycic.
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Adam I am now getting jealous thought you only had eyes for me :'(
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No, I have always said that. Members here are my witnesses. You try to claim otherwise, but you are wrong.
What has posting this picture got to do with my stance on the case?'
Anyway, I just wrote that I am 99.9% sure that Julie was in on it if Jeremy is indeed guilty. I don´t feel bad posting this picture - she posed for it herself and got her pay.
Thank you!
(And what you say has not an iota to do with what I think about this case! I know you think you have turned other people, Caroline, April, Susan, they have to fend for themselves - you haven´t had any impact on me - just <-----Italics :P - posh..... :P), my stance has never changed. It is the same as the very first day I heard about the case a few years back - before you were here.
Julie was in on it.
She knew about his hatred and resentment. Knew about his plans and aborted trial attempts. But probably never thought he would do anything.
She knew about his confession the morning of the massacre. And kept quiet for a month. Although there are lots of reasons for this.
However it seems that going to WHF was Jeremy's decision alone.
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Adam,I have been a member of the forum for a good few years. When I joined Alias was already here and she has ALWAYS been undecided re: Jeremy's guilt/innocence. I share the same stance,though I do believe Jeremy's case to be a MOJ. Hope that makes it clear for you.
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how would they guess there human beings there not psycic.
Common sense. There would have been camera's at court every day. It was a brutal massacre.
Anyway I would use common sense. Not my psychic abilities.
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Hello tyler yes I have always known Alias is torn between innocent and guilty and that is a very difficult place to be.
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Adam,I have been a member of the forum for a good few years. When I joined Alias was already here and she has ALWAYS been undecided re: Jeremy's guilt/innocence. I share the same stance,though I do believe Jeremy's case to be a MOJ. Hope that makes it clear for you.
Why do you think it is a MOJ ?
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Adam,I have been a member of the forum for a good few years. When I joined Alias was already here and she has ALWAYS been undecided re: Jeremy's guilt/innocence. I share the same stance,though I do believe Jeremy's case to be a MOJ. Hope that makes it clear for you.
Thank you, Tyler. I doubt that it sinks in though.
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http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4841.0.html
On the fence ?
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Hello tyler yes I have always known Alias is torn between innocent and guilty and that is a very difficult place to be.
It is somewhat difficult. I have doubts about how things went down. Some things have not been explained to my satisfaction, so scenarios, which frankly don´t make sense, are made up. Goes for both sides. They aren´t made up out of malice or dishonesty (well, mostly); I just think that people think so much about it that they have to make the pieces of the puzzle fit.
We all know the feeling - you are trying to solve a, say, crossword puzzle, and for the life of you, you can´t figure out that word (of course scipio excepted - he knows everything :P :P :P 8)); so you find yourself making up impossible words to solve the damn thing! ;D
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Alias you are right people on both sides of the fence work scenarios to make it fit what I do is work it out in my mind and keep it to myself but my conclusion is he is guilty and I have no doubts about that. My thoughts are my opinions and I will not post therm.
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Common sense. There would have been camera's at court every day. It was a brutal massacre.
Anyway I would use common sense. Not my psychic abilities.
so there supposed to guess by the fact theres camreas in the court that one of the has made a newspaper deal for 25k
theres always camreas in court that doesnt mean anyones made a newspaper deal.
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so there supposed to guess by the fact theres camreas in the court that one of the has made a newspaper deal for 25k
theres always camreas in court that doesnt mean anyones made a newspaper deal.
There were no cameras at my murder trial.
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For a start,it was a media-driven case which is always bad news as there's a certain amount of bias involved and a scramble for the best headlines.
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Alias you are right people on both sides of the fence work scenarios to make it fit what I do is work it out in my mind and keep it to myself but my conclusion is he is guilty and I have no doubts about that. My thoughts are my opinions and I will not post therm.
Why not post them ?
You made some interesting points the other day. Regarding CC.
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There were no cameras at my murder trial.
Oh! Are you dead?
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i think he means he was on trial for murder.
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i think he means he was on trial for murder.
Oh, right :)
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That figures.
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There were no cameras at my murder trial.
care to elabrate on that adam.
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I don't think I want to know !
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care to elabrate on that adam.
Not guilty. The gun just went off. Five times.
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Adam I am still reading the book and from what CC said Jeremy could walk miles no problem. I don't think he used a window but used the door to leave and walked home through the fields did not use the bike he knew those fields like the back of his hand. Will let you know if I get any more good points from the book CC did say Sheila was frightened of Jeremy.
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HaHaHa april he walked right in to that one ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Not guilty. The gun just went off. Five times.
im tottaly confused now.
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nugnug much more comfortable to be on the forum confused ;D ;D ;D ;D well I find it so ;D
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Adam I am still reading the book and from what CC said Jeremy could walk miles no problem. I don't think he used a window but used the door to leave and walked home through the fields did not use the bike he knew those fields like the back of his hand. Will let you know if I get any more good points from the book CC did say Sheila was frightened of Jeremy.
The bit about killing herself with her twins was interesting.
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im tottaly confused now.
So am I! :o
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Adam I think if anyone really knew Sheila and her life it was her husband Colin although they were divorced he knew June,Ralph and Jeremy. He did say in the book Sheila hated her Mother I know this is a strong word but I am just repeating Colin Sheila would have talked to him about her feelings she really loved Ralph and her twins and had she shot herself she would have died with her babies. He made some great points one he said Ralph would not have allowed a loaded rifle to be left out he would have put it away mainly because of the boys. Jeremy was at Sheila's flat and Jeremy was telling Colin about the nude photo's he had of Sheila how hurtful and disrespectful was that to a man who had just lost his twins and their Mother. I cannot see what Colin would have to gain by not telling the truth and fabricating things Jeremy sent him some dreadful cruel letters he has put them in the book. From what I am reading Jeremy Bamber had two sides to him. Will keep you up to date.
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Adam I think if anyone really knew Sheila and her life it was her husband Colin although they were divorced he knew June,Ralph and Jeremy. He did say in the book Sheila hated her Mother I know this is a strong word but I am just repeating Colin Sheila would have talked to him about her feelings she really loved Ralph and her twins and had she shot herself she would have died with her babies. He made some great points one he said Ralph would not have allowed a loaded rifle to be left out he would have put it away mainly because of the boys. Jeremy was at Sheila's flat and Jeremy was telling Colin about the nude photo's he had of Sheila how hurtful and disrespectful was that to a man who had just lost his twins and their Mother. I cannot see what Colin would have to gain by not telling the truth and fabricating things Jeremy sent him some dreadful cruel letters he has put them in the book. From what I am reading Jeremy Bamber had two sides to him. Will keep you up to date.
Were the letters sent after conviction ?
Are you able to copy any onto the forum ? If not too long.
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I fear that CC wasn't without another side too. There must have been something that gave reason for June not liking him. She seemed shrewd in that respect,as she was right about JM being a harlot.
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Adam I think if anyone really knew Sheila and her life it was her husband Colin although they were divorced he knew June,Ralph and Jeremy. He did say in the book Sheila hated her Mother I know this is a strong word but I am just repeating Colin Sheila would have talked to him about her feelings she really loved Ralph and her twins and had she shot herself she would have died with her babies. He made some great points one he said Ralph would not have allowed a loaded rifle to be left out he would have put it away mainly because of the boys. Jeremy was at Sheila's flat and Jeremy was telling Colin about the nude photo's he had of Sheila how hurtful and disrespectful was that to a man who had just lost his twins and their Mother. I cannot see what Colin would have to gain by not telling the truth and fabricating things Jeremy sent him some dreadful cruel letters he has put them in the book. From what I am reading Jeremy Bamber had two sides to him. Will keep you up to date.
Maybe that was too difficult for her.
In any case, I find it a very odd spot for Sheila to have died in - her parents´ bedroom. Why would Jeremy pick that place? Why not by the twins, in her own room or in the corridor? To get to that spot where she was found, you would either have to go through the room with the dead bodies of poor Nicholas and Daniel - or, literally, step over the dead and disfigured body of June.
Why would Jeremy risk upsetting her to no end and bring the situation out of control?
Unless he just happened upon her there as Harters claims - but that is not usually discussed.
Further, I have a big problem with the way Jeremy would have had to be positioned to be able to shoot Sheila as it is claimed she was shot.
That whole scene in the bedroom is always what I keep coming back to, and the main reason for my doubts.
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Maybe that was too difficult for her.
In any case, I find it a very odd spot for Sheila to have died in - her parents´ bedroom. Why would Jeremy pick that place? Why not by the twins, in her own room or in the corridor? To get to that spot where she was found, you would either have to go through the room with the dead bodies of poor Nicholas and Daniel - or, literally, step over the dead and disfigured body of June.
Why would Jeremy risk upsetting her to no end and bring the situation out of control?
Unless he just happened upon her there as Harters claims - but that is not usually discussed.
Further, I have a big problem with the way Jeremy would have had to be positioned to be able to shoot Sheila as it is claimed she was shot.
That whole scene in the bedroom is always what I keep coming back to, and the main reason for my doubts.
If that is what CC says, then everyone has to take his word for it.
Either Jeremy made a location mistake in carrying/leading Sheila to the main bedroom.
Or Sheila woke and retreated to the corner after seeing a man with a rifle.
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Alias don't think she would have found it difficult if she had just shot her twins to keep them safe from evil.Have you thought yes I guess you have that Jeremy had help with these horrendous murders. I am convinced he did trying to figure out how he did this but as yet just playing with ideas.
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Alias don't think she would have found it difficult if she had just shot her twins to keep them safe from evil.Have you thought yes I guess you have that Jeremy had help with these horrendous murders. I am convinced he did trying to figure out how he did this but as yet just playing with ideas.
Why would he need help in executing five sleeping people ( with a silencer). Of which two were women & two were 6 six year old.
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Alias don't think she would have found it difficult if she had just shot her twins to keep them safe from evil.Have you thought yes I guess you have that Jeremy had help with these horrendous murders. I am convinced he did trying to figure out how he did this but as yet just playing with ideas.
You know I think he might have had help if he carried out the murders.
I think Sheila might have done this "for June", and thus chose the bedroom to die in - with the bible. Somehos that seems too contrived and complicated for Jeremy to have come up with.
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Why would he need help in executing five sleeping people ( with a silencer). Of which two were women & two were 6 six year old.
You are talking about "carrying" Sheila. Adam, we can walk, run, scream, we can even use a telephone - and shoot guns!
I find your remarks about women rather offensive, Adam.
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Why would he need help in executing five sleeping people ( with a silencer). Of which two were women & two were 6 six year old.
well your the expert.
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You are talking about "carrying" Sheila. Adam, we can walk, run, scream, we can even use a telephone - and shoot guns!
I find your remarks about women rather offensive, Adam.
We are talking about 61 year old June and recovering anorexic Sheila. Not the Williams sisters.
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We are talking about 61 year old June and recovering anorexic Sheila. Not the Williams sisters.
Didn't the pathologist refer to Sheila as "a well nourished female"?
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We are talking about 61 year old June and recovering anorexic Sheila. Not the Williams sisters.
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Sheila was described in the autopsy report that she was "a well nourished female."
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April! ;D
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Adam you may have misunderstood I said I thought he had help not that he needed help big difference. Maybe two people wanted the family dead think about that.
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Adam you may have misunderstood I said I thought he had help not that he needed help big difference. Maybe two people wanted the family dead think about that.
Do did CC think Jeremy walked to WHF ?
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The NOTW approached Julie after realising Jeremy may be found guilty. They needed a back up exclusive.
Julie could have demanded the same fee as Jeremy. They would have to pay it if Bamber got convicted and the NOTW wanted an exclusive. Or they would have nothing.
But she settled for 25k. A lot less than Bamber. However Bamber still moaned to his lawyers on the morning of the verdict about his NOTW deal.
Oh well that's ok then. ::)
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Why would he need help in executing five sleeping people ( with a silencer). Of which two were women & two were 6 six year old.
It would have been even easier for Sheila then? There were only 2 sleeping adults 2 of them children.
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It seems such a article can still generate lively debate , its clear Alias has a split view and for a long time , without fresh withheld data I can see such a view remaining for some time but like it or not one question still exists to this day how could someone sink so low for the cash? it was not a question of morals because anyone with some would not do such a thing, back then and today it still goes on .
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It would have been even easier for Sheila then? There were only 2 sleeping adults 2 of them children.
But Neville was awake. Ringing Jeremy and saying 'Come quickly, Sheila's gone crazy and she's got the gun'. And then ringing the police.
So not so easy for Sheila.
However June was shot with her head on the pillow. So almost certainly asleep. Just as the twins were asleep. Neville shot right beside her by/in the bed, before running downstairs and leaving everyone. So perhaps both were asleep. But then how could it be Sheila ?
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It seems such a article can still generate lively debate , its clear Alias has a split view and for a long time , without fresh withheld data I can see such a view remaining for some time but like it or not one question still exists to this day how could someone sink so low for the cash? it was not a question of morals because anyone with some would not do such a thing, back then and today it still goes on .
Obviously what Bamber did was much worse. Trying to sell his story (and pictures) twice. Being rejected once and being unable to provide his 'explosive' story upon conviction. It was his own immediate family he was trying to make money on so inexcusable.
Although Bamber has constantly been in the media over the last 29 years saying Sheila did it and blaming the relatives and police. They certainly are explosive claims.
Although he has been careful not to criticise none of the massacred people, even Sheila. But it's too late, his hatred and resentment towards them was apparent to a lot of people pre massacre.
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Adam not sure what Colin thought I think he walked home from WHF ??? Caroline put a very interesting post up awhile ago read it very good theory. Colin mentioned in the book that Jeremy left a party in the huff and walked home about 20 miles away.
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Adam not sure what Colin thought I think he walked home from WHF ??? Caroline put a very interesting post up awhile ago read it very good theory. Colin mentioned in the book that Jeremy left a party in the huff and walked home about 20 miles away.
Did Colin also mention that at times he was too drunk to take his wife home ?
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Morning lookout Colin is in no way excusing himself from this horrendous tragedy. On reflection he feels he let Sheila down and his boys and he has to live with the guilt for his part in the sad events and he seems very genuine. He talks of himself being drunk and how he let lovely Sheila down :(
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Susan,Sheila was let down and forgotten by everyone. Even towards the end her friends were making their excuses because they couldn't get over the change in her,and all thought she'd become " odd " as she'd also reverted back to being deeply religious.
Some friends,eh ? June just poo-pooed her illness and more or less had no sympathy saying in as many words " that she had to get over her own ".Marvellous !! Imagine being cold-shouldered by everyone.It's enough to send anyone mad.
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lookout I do agree poor Sheila was let down by the system and friends. I think she would have had support from Ralph as she was close to him but Colin is of the opinion that June was jealous of the relationship between Ralph and Sheila and did her best to put a stop to it. :(
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The letter that Sheila had sent to AE from her hospital bed,would you not have thought that the recipient of that letter would have acted on it ? I would. The poor woman was wanting someone to talk to at that point,she had nobody,not even her father this time,who she'd spend all night on the phone to at times,just for company. How desperate does a person have to be to resort to that ?
I don't think anyone realises that Sheila was crying out for help.
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But Neville was awake. Ringing Jeremy and saying 'Come quickly, Sheila's gone crazy and she's got the gun'. And then ringing the police.
So not so easy for Sheila.
However June was shot with her head on the pillow. So almost certainly asleep. Just as the twins were asleep. Neville shot right beside her by/in the bed, before running downstairs and leaving everyone. So perhaps both were asleep. But then how could it be Sheila ?
Yes that is true I must admit. But because of the timescale that scipio pointed out I am skeptical as to whether Nevill phoned the police and unti or if further evidence comes to like to the contrary then that will remain my opinion. Of course I might be wrong?
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Susan,Sheila was let down and forgotten by everyone. Even towards the end her friends were making their excuses because they couldn't get over the change in her,and all thought she'd become " odd " as she'd also reverted back to being deeply religious.
Some friends,eh ? June just poo-pooed her illness and more or less had no sympathy saying in as many words " that she had to get over her own ".Marvellous !! Imagine being cold-shouldered by everyone.It's enough to send anyone mad.
Lookout, this is a carousel of sadness. It's VERY possible that friends gave up on Sheila because they couldn't reach her and they didn't have the knowledge and tools to help her. We all know that "care in the community" is mostly PANTS. Communities aren't equipped to care for those suffering mental illness. It's hard enough, if one HAS the training, to be with someone who's depressed, let alone those with more complex problems.
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Yes that is true I must admit. But because of the timescale that scipio pointed out I am skeptical as to whether Nevill phoned the police and unti or if further evidence comes to like to the contrary then that will remain my opinion. Of course I might be wrong?
Mr G,my argument is that whether Neville phoned or not,it still wouldn't have been a cast iron alibi because of the silencer debacle,because you'd still have the doubters saying it was Jeremys' voice and not Nevilles',even if it HAD been Neville,genuinely.
So as far as I'm concerned,it matters not either way. Neville may have rang,but it's no big deal if he hadn't have done,is the way I see it. Whatever happened,Jeremy was daft enough to have rang the police,and they were alerted.
I wonder if Jeremy's ever thought it was the dumbest thing he ever did,looking back over the years. He may as well have just turned over and gone back to sleep for all the trouble it brought him.
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Mr G,my argument is that whether Neville phoned or not,it still wouldn't have been a cast iron alibi because of the silencer debacle,because you'd still have the doubters saying it was Jeremys' voice and not Nevilles',even if it HAD been Neville,genuinely.
So as far as I'm concerned,it matters not either way. Neville may have rang,but it's no big deal if he hadn't have done,is the way I see it. Whatever happened,Jeremy was daft enough to have rang the police,and they were alerted.
I wonder if Jeremy's ever thought it was the dumbest thing he ever did,looking back over the years. He may as well have just turned over and gone back to sleep for all the trouble it brought him.
Hi lookout. In my humble opinion Jeremy was not looking for and obviously didn't need am alibi. Let's face it, if he had been planning this thing for a year as Mugford says he was then if he was looking for an alibi he would most certainly have thought up a more convincing one. After all how pathetic is a pretending to get a phone call from your father in the middle of the night and then repeating it to your girlfriend over 60 miles away and could not back up anything he said?
It is obvious to the most biased mind that this was not meant to be an "alibi". I've never heard anything so absurd in all my days. ;D
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Lookout, this is a carousel of sadness. It's VERY possible that friends gave up on Sheila because they couldn't reach her and they didn't have the knowledge and tools to help her. We all know that "care in the community" is mostly PANTS. Communities aren't equipped to care for those suffering mental illness. It's hard enough, if one HAS the training, to be with someone who's depressed, let alone those with more complex problems.
April,what was wrong in someone approaching Sheilas' doctor and explaining to him/her their findings on how Sheila had appeared ? There are times,like this,when it's good to interfere,then at least the GP has a note of it,even if it's not acted upon. The likes of AE should have done that very thing being Sheilas' aunt and showing concern. Once it's left with the GP,then you've done your duty.
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Hi lookout. In my humble opinion Jeremy was not looking for and obviously didn't need am alibi. Let's face it, if he had been planning this thing for a year as Mugford says he was then if he was looking for an alibi he would most certainly have thought up a more convincing one. After all how pathetic is a pretending to get a phone call from your father in the middle of the night and then repeating it to your girlfriend over 60 miles away and could not back up anything he said?
It is obvious to the most biased mind that this was not meant to be an "alibi". I've never heard anything so absurd in all my days. ;D
And yet it almost worked. You're right his alibi is dumb especially especially as more recently, when he realised it wasn't working for him, he changed the time of his call to allow for the phone call from Neville. I guess Jeremy thought it was a good alibi to pretend he was home when it all happened and leaving the phone off the hook so no one could contact WHF. The jury obviously thought it was absurd too.
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And yet it almost worked. You're right his alibi is dumb especially especially as more recently, when he realised it wasn't working for him, he changed the time of his call to allow for the phone call from Neville. I guess Jeremy thought it was a good alibi to pretend he was home when it all happened and leaving the phone off the hook so no one could contact WHF. The jury obviously thought it was absurd too.
It was a ncie try at an alibi, and it almost worked, I agree. But it has changed recently, very telling.
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April,what was wrong in someone approaching Sheilas' doctor and explaining to him/her their findings on how Sheila had appeared ? There are times,like this,when it's good to interfere,then at least the GP has a note of it,even if it's not acted upon. The likes of AE should have done that very thing being Sheilas' aunt and showing concern. Once it's left with the GP,then you've done your duty.
Yes, Lookout. In a perfect world all those things would have undoubtedly happened. Can you give me ONE good reason why AE, Sheila's cousin, by the way, who had NO knowledge of Sheila's day to day life and lived roughly 50 miles away from her, should take it upon herself to be Sheila's carer. The chances are Sheila's friends who lived nearer to her didn't know who was her doctor.
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Jeremy was/is intelligent,but--------------------clever he wasn't.Certainly not clever enough to have carried out 5 murders.
Clever is leaving no stone unturned,which didn't appear to be the case with one thing and another. Anyone else as daft as he was would have held up their hands and shouted " It was me " ! If he'd committed the crime,he may as well have done just that.
Doris Foulkes was right. Jeremy didn't have the gumption,so she knew him. :)
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Jeremy was/is intelligent,but--------------------clever he wasn't.Certainly not clever enough to have carried out 5 murders.
Clever is leaving no stone unturned,which didn't appear to be the case with one thing and another. Anyone else as daft as he was would have held up their hands and shouted " It was me " ! If he'd committed the crime,he may as well have done just that.
Doris Foulkes was right. Jeremy didn't have the gumption,so she knew him. :)
Which is why he got caught! You don't need to be clever to carry out 5 murders and get caught. The clever part is NOT getting caught.
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Which is why he got caught! You don't need to be clever to carry out 5 murders and get caught. The clever part is NOT getting caught.
;D ;D ;D
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Which is why he got caught! You don't need to be clever to carry out 5 murders and get caught. The clever part is NOT getting caught.
So you don't have to be mad to carry out murders,nor clever either,so what does one have to be.? ;D ;D ;D
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So you don't have to be mad to carry out murders,nor clever either,so what does one have to be.? ;D ;D ;D
Well in Jeremy's case - desperate to inherit.
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Well in Jeremy's case - desperate to inherit.
& greedy with the belief that you're smart enough to get away with it.
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& greedy with the belief that you're smart enough to get away with it.
I agree, he 'thought' he was clever enough but just didn't think it through. He might have talked about killing his parents for a year but I think the whole plan was carried out on the spur.
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Oooooh,I don't think either fits the category. :D
He knew money wasn't that far away with grannie old and frail and June benefitting,who'd naturally have either given or loaned money to Jeremy if he'd needed it for anything specific.
Because Jeremy wasn't the murdering kind,any attempt on his part would have landed him in prison which he very likely would have known,as he would also have known that any thoughts of gaining anything from such a crime would also be quashed,as it's immediately relinquished.
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Oooooh,I don't think either fits the category. :D
He knew money wasn't that far away with grannie old and frail and June benefitting,who'd naturally have either given or loaned money to Jeremy if he'd needed it for anything specific.
Because Jeremy wasn't the murdering kind,any attempt on his part would have landed him in prison which he very likely would have known,as he would also have known that any thoughts of gaining anything from such a crime would also be quashed,as it's immediately relinquished.
It did ;D
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It did ;D
Unwittingly.Surprisingly, Shockingly,and above all, Unfairly.
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Well in Jeremy's case - desperate to inherit.
Jeremy showed no sign whatsoever that he was desperate to inherit
He had savings in the bank and was not in debt to anyone
Jeremy was going to inherit anyway which was clear from Junes letter. Those parents loved both children and there is not a shred of evidence Jeremy was going to be cut out of his parents will
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Jeremy showed no sign whatsoever that he was desperate to inherit
He had savings in the bank and was not in debt to anyone
Jeremy was going to inherit anyway which was clear from Junes letter. Those parents loved both children and there is not a shred of evidence Jeremy was going to be cut out of his parents will
Mike just said the other day that he had no money (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4036.msg166108.html#msg166108). Perhaps he was going to inherit 'some' money from his gran (although we don't know that). However, with his parents out of the way, he would get their share and also their estate. I didn't say he was going to be cut out of the will?
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He had savings in the bank and was not in debt to anyone
He had £2000.
It did ;D
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he could of been greedy but he wasnt exactly in desperate need of money he had no debts was on a high salary and plenty of money in the bank.of course for some people thats not enough and maybe he was one of them but it cant be said that he was desperate for money.
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He had £2000.
;D
Which he owed to the hitman. ;D
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Mike just said the other day that he had no money (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4036.msg166108.html#msg166108). Perhaps he was going to inherit 'some' money from his gran (although we don't know that). However, with his parents out of the way, he would get their share and also their estate. I didn't say he was going to be cut out of the will?
The wills have already been discussed in detail in other threads.
There is no evidence he was getting any money from Mabel Speakman.
He admitted in court he would have to continue on the farm to inherit from Neville. Did he love farming ? Read the recent thread.
June was planning to cut/reduce Jeremy from her will.
The cost of Sheila & the twins meant any future inheritance was reducing. Fast.
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Unwittingly.Surprisingly, Shockingly,and above all, Unfairly.
Yes, I'm sure he felt that to be the case.
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The wills have already been discussed in detail in other threads.
There is no evidence he was getting any money from Mabel Speakman.
He admitted in court he would have to continue on the farm to inherit from Neville. Did he love farming ? Read the recent thread.
June was planning to cut/reduce Jeremy from her will.
The cost of Sheila & the twins meant any future inheritance was reducing. Fast.
Actually, whilst it's possible he MAY have loved farming, it's perfectly possible that he felt trapped, that he didn't have a choice.
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It was Sheila who hated the farm and everything to do with it.That's why she preferred to be in London where the nightlife was.
June had been hoping to get her interested enough in the farm to make a living from it in future years,but it wasn't to be. Sheila just wasn't interested. Then there was money spent on a secretarial course,a modelling course and Lord knows what else.
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The wills have already been discussed in detail in other threads.
There is no evidence he was getting any money from Mabel Speakman.
He admitted in court he would have to continue on the farm to inherit from Neville. Did he love farming ? Read the recent thread.
June was planning to cut/reduce Jeremy from her will.
The cost of Sheila & the twins meant any future inheritance was reducing. Fast.
Does Wilkes say anything about Bamber's grans will Adam?
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Mike just said the other day that he had no money (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4036.msg166108.html#msg166108). Perhaps he was going to inherit 'some' money from his gran (although we don't know that). However, with his parents out of the way, he would get their share and also their estate. I didn't say he was going to be cut out of the will?
You stated he was desperate
Show me how YOU know he was desperate?
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Actually, whilst it's possible he MAY have loved farming, it's perfectly possible that he felt trapped, that he didn't have a choice.
Your opinion
Jeremy told me on the phone he had it easy. There were times on the farm he worked but very occasionally when required. HE told me he had everything he needed, He loved working out side in the fresh air, he loved his cottage and he loved eating out of a night in his local 2 minutes from his home.
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Your opinion
Jeremy told me on the phone he had it easy. There were times on the farm he worked but very occasionally when required. HE told me he had everything he needed, He loved working out side in the fresh air, he loved his cottage and he loved eating out of a night in his local 2 minutes from his home.
Well he's not going to tell the truth is he. You're talking to a convicted child killer who is trying to pass himself off as probably the greatest MOJ in British history - as hundreds of people, police, judges, relatives must be involved - he's trying to pass that off as fact - what do you expect him to say?
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Your opinion
Jeremy told me on the phone he had it easy. There were times on the farm he worked but very occasionally when required. HE told me he had everything he needed, He loved working out side in the fresh air, he loved his cottage and he loved eating out of a night in his local 2 minutes from his home.
Well campion junior said that he knew a lot about tractors when he spoke to him if that is anything to go by?
But in my opinion to discuss whether he liked farming or not is rather a fruitless exercise?
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Grahame Certain people on this forum insinuate Jeremy murdered his family because he worked 17 hour days
That's ridiculous
The assumption is ridiculous
Jeremy did not work 17 hour days on a regular basis
fact
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Hello april if Jeremy loved farming so much why did he want to become a deep sea diver :'( farming is usually in the blood and Jeremy was brought up with farming why on earth did he wish to leave it. Must not have liked it.
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Does Wilkes say anything about Bamber's grans will Adam?
Don't recall anything. The recent will threads are all interesting. I will find the links.
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http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5667.0.html
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http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5742.0.html
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Hello april if Jeremy loved farming so much why did he want to become a deep sea diver :'( farming is usually in the blood and Jeremy was brought up with farming why on earth did he wish to leave it. Must not have liked it.
Susan, it may have been that he was attracted to the Auz life style.
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http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5838.0.html
Whether Bamber loved farming has already been discussed recently.
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Sorry,,but the money bit does nothing for me.Jeremy was quite at liberty to tap his parents any time,and they always obliged. So he had no worries/problems there. Plus a good wage and free accommodation etc. He neither had the motive nor incentive to murder anyone,not even his old,ailing,frail grannie,who would have been the easiest target of all with her money passed on to June and Pam.
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april maybe not attracted to English farming.
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april maybe not attracted to English farming.
It appears he simply wanted the money and an affluent lifestyle, he just didn't want to work for it.
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http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5838.0.html
Whether Bamber loved farming has already been discussed recently.
It was Sheila who hated the farm ! She found it too boring.
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april maybe not attracted to English farming.
OR not attracted to feeling trapped into English farming.
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It was Sheila who hated the farm ! She found it too boring.
But Sheila wasn't expected to LIVE on the farm or WORK the farm. Her income was basically assured and it must have seemed to Jeremy that he was working to help support her.
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That's a good point.
Jeremy working very hard was helping the family business make money. Meaning Neville could pay Sheila's medical bills , accommodation, bills and the twins.
And he didn't understand her illness.
I'm not certain that understanding it would have made a difference. Her condition, I imagine, was chronic. I see no reason why Jeremy should have been made responsible for her support............not that it excuses him killing her.
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Sheilas' condition had been inflicted upon her,of that there's no doubt. Her mother was very much the Jekyll and Hyde character,that nobody saw !!
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Don't recall anything. The recent will threads are all interesting. I will find the links.
Yes I am aware of the links Adam. I just wondered where the information originally came from?
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Yes I am aware of the links Adam. I just wondered where the information originally came from?
The consensus was that Jeremy was not that close to MS. She would have left everything to June.