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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Jan on September 20, 2014, 03:50:PM
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Instead of constantly trying to prove motive or character assassination of Jeremy
I would like to know what posters think , in their opinion PROVES that Sheila did not do it .
Lets try discussing from a different angle for a change.
Don't forget that we know she was ill ( I don't think anyone can disprove that ) so in "theory" she would not need a motive.
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well nothing really.
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A brilliant suggestion where we can discuss the motives that Sheila had and the type of character that she was. How it all began,when,and why.
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I dont think she needed a motive at all .
I mean what proves forensically that she did not do it - Or why physically could she have not done it?
Say Jeremy did not exist - and we did not have the phone call from Neville
Imagine this was a scene the police came across - but there was the possibility that someone else had been in the house .
How would they prove it was not Sheila that did it?
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Sadly all my threads have shown it was Jeremy and not Sheila.
No one can explain what Sheila was doing when Neville made his mysterious phone calls.
Neville not restraining a small un cordinated Sheila who had no gun experience. Holding a not very powerful rifle.
Neville abandoning his family when the shooting started.
My 14 points showing Sheila did not commit the crime.
June's head on the pillow when being shot.
The perfect time for an execution.
Jeremy's motive, opportunity and no alibi.
Shall I continue ?
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Sadly all my threads have shown it was Jeremy and not Sheila.
No one can explain what Sheila was doing when Neville made his mysterious phone calls.
Neville not restraining a small un cordinated Sheila who had no gun experience. Holding a not very powerful rifle.
Neville abandoning his family when the shooting started.
My 14 points showing Sheila did not commit the crime.
June's head on the pillow when being shot.
The perfect time for an execution.
Jeremy's motive, opportunity and no alibi.
Shall I continue ?
read the question then elaborate
For example how does junes head being on the pillow in any way prove that Sheila did not do it?
I am not talking about Jeremy at all in this thread .
that is the whole point.
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Instead of constantly trying to prove motive or character assassination of Jeremy
I would like to know what posters think , in their opinion PROVES that Sheila did not do it .
Lets try discussing from a different angle for a change.
Don't forget that we know she was ill ( I don't think anyone can disprove that ) so in "theory" she would not need a motive.
Such has been posted numerous times.
1) The killer would have had some kind of wound on his/her hand from the rifle stock breaking where the killer was holding it unless the killer was wearing gloves.
2) The killer would have left fingerprints in blood unless wearing gloves because the gun had blood on it.
3) The killer would have had both high velocity impact spatter from shooting the victims and medium velocity impact spatter from Nevill. This impact spatter would have been on the body of the killer as well as the clothing.
4) The killer would have had GSR on their hands and clothing. Had Sheila been hugging the weapon to shoot herself 2 times with it for sure GSR would have gotten on her gown but there was none. That can only happen if the rifle was not being held across her body but rather perpendicular to her by someone else. The killer also would have had elevated lead levels from loading the wepaon. Sheila had no reason to wash her hands or body that is only done to conceal your actions if you intend to try to get away with a crime and tell peopel you did not do it. If you are planning suicide you don't bother. She had no reason to change her clothing and no way to conceal clothing she wore had she changed. If there had been clothing with spatter and GSR that she changed out of and gloves such would have been found. Obviously she had no ability to change out of the gown she was kille din though and it was GSR free.
5) The moderator was used at all stages of the murders. It was present at the outset, during the struggle in the kitchen and even when Sheila was shot. There is no way Sheila would have gotten the moderator out to use and Jeremy insists the gun was sitting out without the moderator attached.
Nor could Sheila have shot herself with it attached and then put the moderator away after her death.
6) Sheila would not have used 18-20 rounds from the batch of bullets sitting in the kitchen and though 30 remained to go to the closet to get 5-7 additional rounds instead of continuing to use the same batch in the kitchen. This proves the bullets were staged.
7) Sheila was shot while sitting propped up against something and a short while afte rher death was moved flat by someone who then put the gun across her body and opened and closed the bible in a pool of blood that formed after her death. This is further proof she didn't kill herself.
8) Sheila never fired the weapon in her life and had no interest in guns. She would not have grabbed the gun she would have selected a different weapon if she wanted a weapon. It is the first semi-auto the fmaily owned she didn't grow up around people using semi-autos. She would not have known that a round needed to be manually fed into the chamber let alone known how to do so since she never used it before. She would have pulled the trigger, nothing would have happened and she would have been disarmed.
9) Nevill calling Jeremy instead of disarming Sheila himself or grabbing one of the multitude of weapons available in the kitchen makes no sense. Moreover the shooting started in the bedroom and moved to the kitchen later. Jeremy made sure the bedroom had no phone. There was no opportunity for Nevill to make a call before the shooting started so the phone call clearly never happened.
10) Jeremy's actions were not the actions reasonable for someone who had received the call he claimed he received from his father. Nor were his claims about taking out the gun and then leaving it out credible he clearly was trying to blame his sister.
11) Julie testified that Jeremy planned to kill his family and to frame Sheila
12) Sheila was being successfully medicated and thus was not likely to have a psychotic episode at all let alone in the middle of the night suddenly while everyone was asleep. Things spark psychotic episodes they don't just happen from nothing at all but wiht eveyrone asleep there wa snothing to spark it.
13) When Sheila did have psychotic episodes she was not violent towards anyone, not even Freddie who she viewed as the Devil, and only had such episodes when she stopped taking her medicaiton which is why she was being injected.
14) Nevill had a calming effect on Nevill and in the past was able to bring her out of her psychotic episodes.
15) There is no evidence that Sheila was suicidal and no motive for her to kill anyone else. Schizophrenics will kill others because of delusions of kill themselves because of depression but not kill out of both motivations. Those who kill family in the meantime kill family ill caretakers who they view as standing in their way. The only time they kill relatives before suicide is dependents because being responsible for dependents provides a reason to live and with that out of the way they cna then kill themselves.
There are more reasons but these are the major ones and they all corroborate Julie's assertions that Jeremy set out to frame Sheila. The physical evidence is quite clear that Sheila did not do it. She would have had blood of the victims and GSR on her clothing but didn't among other things that would have been present. Moreover she can't have killed herself. That alone is enough to say for sure it wasn't her but rather someone else.