Jeremy Bamber Forum
JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: nugnug on September 02, 2014, 02:18:PM
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what do the indpendant witnesses say are there any independent witness that back up what the relatives say.
by independent witnesses i mean people who are not policeman and no vested in conviction or geting him acquitted.
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Do you mean witnesses who materialized after the trial, witnesses whose statements were available, but not used during the trial, or witnesses used in the trial? Does Brett count?
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after before or during it doesn't matter as long as there independent.
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Hmm, there was a student known to both Julie and Jeremy, who supposedly confirmed Jeremy had expressed dislike of his parents. Various people who had worked at the farm were presumably asked about Jeremy, but I'm not sure which gave statements about him.
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well if they dident give statements then theres no real proof they said anything good or bad about him.
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The students would only have heard what JM would have said,and half of that didn't hold water.
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well the fact we cant even name them suggests this a bit dubious.
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well if they dident give statements then theres no real proof they said anything good or bad about him.
Mike did publish a list of statements , but not sure if they were character witnesses or not , but I was surprised how many there were.
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im trying to see if theres independant witness who back up the relatives or mugford said.
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im trying to see if theres independant witness who back up the relatives or mugford said.
with the relatives I would have thought they were pretty insular in their searching and note taking.
the only others that might know I guess were other people who worked on the farm.
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im trying to see if theres independant witness who back up the relatives or mugford said.
What a strange mission to undertake. It's clearly obvious that there will be no one to back up what Mugford has said, because Bamber told her things in private - so no " independant witnesses " can say they can back it up.
As for the relatives - not sure why they would involve anyone else.
It seems you have a group of people saying the same thing and in a desperation to undermine that you're trying to say because there isn't anyone outside of the griup saying the same thing the groups evidence is somehow likely untrue.
Strange way to bend over backwards to try and make a cluttered point.
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there must be some witnesses who can confirm or refute things the relatives said.
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What a strange mission to undertake. It's clearly obvious that there will be no one to back up what Mugford has said, because Bamber told her things in private - so no " independant witnesses " can say they can back it up.
As for the relatives - not sure why they would involve anyone else.
It seems you have a group of people saying the same thing and in a desperation to undermine that you're trying to say because there isn't anyone outside of the griup saying the same thing the groups evidence is somehow likely untrue.
well if the relatives were telling the truth in what they said about sheila there must be people who knew her who can confirm or refute it.
Strange way to bend over backwards to try and make a cluttered point.
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Mike did publish a list of statements , but not sure if they were character witnesses or not , but I was surprised how many there were.
what i would like is if there are independant witnesses who can confirm or refute what the relatives said about both Jeremy and sheila such as sheila not being able to shoot and jeremy saying dads things about her and stuff like that.
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I don't think you'll find any,nugs. Surely to goodness the law draws the line somewhere. Anything that's ever said about a brother or sister we ALL know goes on all the time in every family.It wasn't just unique to the Bamber children.
It was bad enough having to read the tittle-tattle that came out of the relatives who only saw the Bambers every Preston Guild,so anyone outside the family would have known even less.
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well maybe if we look hard enough we will i mean there must of been people who knew sheila who said things about her.
there must have been people who knew Jeremy who said things about him.
i mean they both had friends and work colleagues im sure after something like that happening some of them surely must of passed comment.
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The following is from the 2002 Appeal Judgement:
116. Other evidence was given which supported the evidence of Miss Mugford that the appellant disliked his family. Mary Mugford (Julie's mother) said the appellant had often told her that he hated his adoptive mother and he described her as quite mad.
117. During the winter of 1984 the appellant told one of the farm workers, "I'm not going to share my money with my sister" and he had always given the impression he did not get on with Sheila Caffell.
118. James Richards, another student from Goldsmiths College who had met the appellant through Julie Mugford, heard him talk of his parents in about February 1985. He claimed they kept him short of money and that his mother was a religious freak. He said, "I fucking hate my parents".
119. In about March 1985, in the context of a discussion about the security at the Osea Road caravan site, the appellant told his uncle Robert Boutflour, "… I could kill anybody … I could easily kill my parents".
120. Witnesses were called on the appellant's behalf in respect of this aspect of the case. They included a sales representative and a chartered surveyor who said they had met the appellant and his father and that they had never heard the appellant say anything nasty about his family.
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i hardly mary mugfurd and robet boulflower independent.
James Richards on the other hand is another matter no he seems like one.
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How the heck could there have been independent witnesses when nobody knew what went on behind the doors of White House Farm ?? Nobody knew the Bamber family ! Not even the relatives.
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im really talking about wasnt what went on behind closed doors im talking about things like sheila being uncoradted unable to shoot a gun jeremy not liking sheila things like that.
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That was rubbish,nugs. Remarks to suit,at the time as they fitted in with the moment.
I wasn't getting at you by the way,as I realise my last post was a bit terse.