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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Adam on August 28, 2014, 02:56:PM
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Inside the gun cupboard -
Boxes of ammunition were piled on top of on another.
To the left was a box packed with 14 smaller boxes.
Behind these two boxes was a dartboard.
Next to the dartboard was a bigger box and a spray gun. Inside this bigger box was to the left was a 7 inch long silencer.
So the silencer really was hidden away. Behind boxes of ammunition, dartboards and guns. There is no reason why the police should check what was in every box in the gun cupboard. It was murder suicide.
If the police did open every box and see each silencer, or cartridge, it is doubtful they would notice the blood. As they were not looking for evidence against Jeremy.
The relatives only noticed the blood when returning to Oak farm.
Thank god the relatives did their own search.
And Jeremy was not stupid leaving the silencer there. Just unlucky that the relatives were more determined than he expected. He did not know about back splatter anyway.
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This thread is for Alias who asked yesterday why Jeremy would leave the silencer at WHF.
Lots of reasons. Such as -
It was hidden away out of sight.
He did not know about back splatter.
It was murder/suicide.
He was not expecting the relatives to do their own search.
Simple.
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This thread is for Alias who asked yesterday why Jeremy would leave the silencer at WHF.
Lots of reasons. Such as -
It was hidden away out of sight.
He did not know about back splatter.
It was murder/suicide.
He was not expecting the relatives to do their own search.
Simple.
if it was put in a box
how come Jeremy did not notice
1) the blood on the outside?
2) the hair on the outside ?
3) How did that blood not get knocked off when it was put in the box or taken out of the box
4) how did the hair not get knocked off when put in the box or taken out of the box?
5) what animal blood was tested for?
6) When the blood was pointed out to the police why did they just put it in a cardboard tube and not handle it with gloves?
7) Did you know a recent expert still said it possibly could have been animal blood?
8) do you know a recent expert said that they do not think the silencer was even used in the shootings.
9) how do you explain the different LAN marks on the bullets PV19 and PV20 that were found in Sheila ?
10) do you think it right that according to the Dickinson report the silencer and Julies testimony were really the only evidence against Jeremy - and one of the most VITAL pieces of evidence was not handled in a proper forensic manner?
11) Why did the police assume immediately that only one rifle was used in the shooting when there were many guns in the house not locked away? Even if it was murder suicide then there still would have been an official inquest or investigation - so should they not have immediately taken all POSSIBLE evidence?
12) Was it right that the police changed the exhibit number on the moderator several times without informing the lab staff who had signed statements referring to the original exhibit numbers?
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Jeremy and people on here claimed the relatives framed Jeremy. Saying 'why didn't the police find the silencer ?'. This thread says why. Everyone now knows it was impossible for the relatives to frame Jeremy.
There are lots of reasons why Jeremy hid the silencer at the back of the gun cupboard. See above. But I will answer you're questions.
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Jeremy and people on here claimed the relatives framed Jeremy. Saying 'why didn't the police find the silencer ?'. This thread says why. Everyone now knows it was impossible for the relatives to frame Jeremy.
There are lots of reasons why Jeremy hid the silencer at the back of the gun cupboard. See above. But I will answer you're questions.
I have never said the relatives framed Jeremy - I have never said the police framed Jeremy
I am still asking questions - and your reasons are assumptions and opinion - not fact because we do not know.
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He may not have noticed the blood and hair.
It may have been dark, he was in a hurry. The blood was inside the baffles of the silencer.
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The light was on in the kitchen,as well as other rooms. Who'd do the shooting with the lights left on ?
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He may not have noticed the blood and hair.
It may have been dark, he was in a hurry. The blood was inside the baffles of the silencer.
I am not that stupid - I was talking about the blob on the outside - surely his gloves would have knocked that off
by the way I did not realise he was shooting in the dark.
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I am not that stupid - I was talking about the blob on the outside - surely his gloves would have knocked that off
by the way I did not realise he was shooting in the dark.
Turning lights on tends to wake people.
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Turning lights on tends to wake people.
you are having a larf aren't you . By the time they were all dead and he was putting the silencer away I don't think he would be worried about putting a light on.Or whilst he was shooting.
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Julies testimony and the silencer is not the only evidence against Jeremy.
There is a mountain of circumstantial and forensic evidence against him.
But this is about the silencer.
Do you agree there is no reason why the police should find the silencer between the 8th - 11th August ?
And that Jeremy was not stupid putting it away at WHF.
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Adam Jeremy would have been stupid to put it away at the back of the cupboard but I still maintain the silencer was not used if he had used it he would have taken it away or cleaned it as he was not to know the police would not find it.
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Turning lights on tends to wake people.
They were already on !! Sheesh.
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Adam Jeremy would have been stupid to put it away at the back of the cupboard but I still maintain the silencer was not used if he had used it he would have taken it away or cleaned it as he was not to know the police would not find it.
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This thread is for Alias who asked yesterday why Jeremy would leave the silencer at WHF.
Lots of reasons. Such as -
It was hidden away out of sight.
He did not know about back splatter.
It was murder/suicide.
He was not expecting the relatives to do their own search.
Simple.
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How come Jeremy" knew the bible " too,as it was left by Sheilas' side with the Psalms 51-55 visible ? Was he also into religion ? Or a Theologian perhaps ? Doesn't really bode well with lobster and champagne though.
The sad thing about this was that the jury never knew the significance of those Psalms,nor did a lot of people
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Adam,do me a favour and read Psalms 51-55 then tell me how Jeremy arrived at those very pages,or even why. Bearing in mind that he hadn't got a clue about religion that he was drip-fed it by his mother that he was sick to death of hearing about anything connected to it.
Why would he choose those particular Psalms ?
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so you are clearly saying the silencer was used - and Jeremy put it in the cupboard thinking it would not be discovered - so he scrabbled around on the floor , found a box , put it at the back of the cupboard . So all of my questions are relevant .
Do you think it was on when he shot Sheila ? Or did he take it off before then?
Do you think he used it by mistake ? not realising that it would make the rifle too long when "staging the suicide" just more bad planning on his part?
He was pretty confident that the police would not do even the proper procedure on what was still a murder case- even if it was followed by suicide wasn't he.
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Adam,do me a favour and read Psalms 51-55 then tell me how Jeremy arrived at those very pages,or even why. Bearing in mind that he hadn't got a clue about religion that he was drip-fed it by his mother that he was sick to death of hearing about anything connected to it.
Why would he choose those particular Psalms ?
If Sheila was into religion and June a 'religious maniac' as Jeremy called her, then he may know a bit about religion.
Or he could have browsed the bible beforehand. He had access to it.
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If Sheila was into religion and June a 'religious maniac' as Jeremy called her, then he may know a bit about religion.
Or he could have browsed the bible beforehand. He had access to it.
what whilst doing 17hour days? don't think so.
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Maybe the bible was open at those pages when Jeremy arrived at the farm late on when they were all sleeping. I have often wondered if Jeremy knew more about Sheila than we know about.
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If Sheila was into religion and June a 'religious maniac' as Jeremy called her, then he may know a bit about religion.
Or he could have browsed the bible beforehand. He had access to it.
So before killing everyone,or after,even,he's going to waste precious time flicking through a bible to find the appropriate pages ? How would he know when he knew nothing about religion ?
Just because he had access to them doesn't mean to say that he took notice of them. Playboy magazines were more his heavy,weren't they ?
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so you are clearly saying the silencer was used - and Jeremy put it in the cupboard thinking it would not be discovered - so he scrabbled around on the floor , found a box , put it at the back of the cupboard . So all of my questions are relevant .
Do you think it was on when he shot Sheila ? Or did he take it off before then?
Do you think he used it by mistake ? not realising that it would make the rifle too long when "staging the suicide" just more bad planning on his part?
He was pretty confident that the police would not do even the proper procedure on what was still a murder case- even if it was followed by suicide wasn't he.
I am saying that it was used. Which is following the evidence.
Yes, Jeremy shot Sheila with the silencer on. As the evidence shows. Everyone else was shot with the silencer on, it makes sense to use it.
He may have only realised on the night that the rifle was too long. Or may have known beforehand and decided to use the silencer.
Yes. He was confident. Telling Julie he was watertight and it was an 'open and shut case'. He was right. Only the relatives found the silencer.
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It's not exactly hard to find doom and gloom in the bible. I don't beleive Jeremy wasn't at least familiar with it having grown up with June.
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Maybe the bible was open at those pages when Jeremy arrived at the farm late on when they were all sleeping. I have often wondered if Jeremy knew more about Sheila than we know about.
I was thinking the same thing Susan or we might just be reading too much into the significance. I'm sure there are hundreds of pages in the bible that are similar in tone.
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It's not exactly hard to find doom and gloom in the bible. I don't beleive Jeremy wasn't at least familiar with it having grown up with June.
Mat - you are correct - he must of read it when he threatened the dog with it :D
and he probably heard her quoting it all the time to be honest. But don't think he would have time to pick a particular page.
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Mat - you are correct - he must of read it when he threatened the dog with it :D
and he probably heard her quoting it all the time to be honest. But don't think he would have time to pick a particular page.
No time to pick up a particular page ?
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No doubt he would have been familiar with the Bibles,but it probably went in one ear and out of the other.
Why choose those particular Psalms,which refer to the sins,evil and transgressions,along with forgiveness.
Sorry,but I can't either see,nor imagine Jeremy speaking or thinking like that.
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No time to pick up a particular page ?
Only if it was a page he knew,. One which perhaps he'd had to memorize. The Bible is a very large book.
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Why choose those particular Psalms,which refer to the sins,evil and transgressions,along with forgiveness.
That's about 80% of the bible.
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Caroline June could have been reading the bible and left it open and Jeremy just grabbed it and put it in place I am sure he had no idea what the pages signified if anything.
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Caroline June could have been reading the bible and left it open and Jeremy just grabbed it and put it in place I am sure he had no idea what the pages signified if anything.
Susan, I'm more inclined to go with that. I don't think the page meant anything to him.
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Would Sheila read the bible before shooting herself ?
She was in a 'crazy' state.
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To say nothing of the bloodied prints which were found on it ::)
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Jeremy and people on here claimed the relatives framed Jeremy. Saying 'why didn't the police find the silencer ?'. This thread says why. Everyone now knows it was impossible for the relatives to frame Jeremy.
There are lots of reasons why Jeremy hid the silencer at the back of the gun cupboard. See above. But I will answer you're questions.
Nothing is impossible Adam I just find it odd that they found it .
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Nothing is impossible Adam I just find it odd that they found it .
They were looking for evidence. The police were not.
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Caroline June could have been reading the bible and left it open and Jeremy just grabbed it and put it in place I am sure he had no idea what the pages signified if anything.
I agree and even more likely because she had missed her bible class.
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They were looking for evidence. The police were not.
They could have placed higher values first like reflecting the love these people gave and received in their lives
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This thread is for Alias who asked yesterday why Jeremy would leave the silencer at WHF.
Lots of reasons. Such as -
It was hidden away out of sight.
He did not know about back splatter.
It was murder/suicide.
He was not expecting the relatives to do their own search.
Simple.
Adam, no, I did not ask that - at all! It was already clear to me yesterday that you didnt understand my question - (which I created a thread for :P)
What I asked was: why was Jeremy so stupid to stage Sheila´s death as a suicide when he had shot her TWICE. How could he expect anyone ty "buy" that it was a suicide when she was shot twice?
That to me seems rather stupid.
THAT was my question, it had nothing to do with the silencer, but you didn´t get it, and now you have created a thread to explain something to me, which I never asked about.
OMG, what a mess! :P
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Adam, no, I did not ask that - at all! It was already clear to me yesterday that you didnt understand my question - (which I created a thread for :P)
What I asked was: why was Jeremy so stupid to stage Sheila´s death as a suicide when he had shot her TWICE. How could he expect anyone ty "buy" that it was a suicide when she was shot twice?
That to me seems rather stupid.
THAT was my question, it had nothing to do with the silencer, but you didn´t get it, and now you have created a thread to explain something to me, which I never asked about.
OMG, what a mess! :P
T'was ever thus! ;D
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Nothing is impossible Adam I just find it odd that they found it .
Particularly when they stood to gain ?
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They could have placed higher values first like reflecting the love these people gave and received in their lives
Well it was three day later. Stan Jones gave AE the keys to WHF to do some clearing up. They decided to also do a search, with Basil Cock and BW present.
I assume Jeremy was in London or abroad.
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Well it was three day later. Stan Jones gave AE the keys to WHF to do some clearing up. They decided to also do a search, with Basil Cock and BW present.
I assume Jeremy was in London or abroad.
in my eyes upon given the keys there is nothing else to add to what happened this short timelapse is actualy quite worrying.
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T'was ever thus! ;D
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Adam, no, I did not ask that - at all! It was already clear to me yesterday that you didnt understand my question - (which I created a thread for :P)
What I asked was: why was Jeremy so stupid to stage Sheila´s death as a suicide when he had shot her TWICE. How could he expect anyone ty "buy" that it was a suicide when she was shot twice?
That to me seems rather stupid.
THAT was my question, it had nothing to do with the silencer, but you didn´t get it, and now you have created a thread to explain something to me, which I never asked about.
OMG, what a mess! :P
Part of you're thread post says 'why hide the silencer'.
It has been answered.
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Part of you're thread post says 'why hide the silencer'.
It has been answered.
It was a question in connection with the main question, which was the one above - and you didn´t get it. I think I give up now and move along.
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Part of you're thread post says 'why hide the silencer'.
It has been answered.
You're doing t again Adam - I am taking the Straw Poll thread off the board. Go back to the threads and don't post any links to your old posts unless someone asks you or they will be removed.
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It was a question in connection with the main question, which was the one above - and you didn´t get it. I think I give up now and move along.
I did answer it yesterday in you're thread.
This thread has gone into more detail on one of you're questions. And given you answers, unless you disagree.
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You're doing t again Adam - I am taking the Straw Poll thread off the board. Go back to the threads and don't post any links to your old posts unless someone asks you or they will be removed.
What are you talking about ? I have not posted any links.
Why can't I post related links to a post ? Just don't click on it.
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I did answer it yesterday in you're thread.
This thread has gone into more detail on one of you're questions. And given you answers, unless you disagree.
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Would have been nice to get a thank you from Alias after I spent time creating a thread answering one of her questions.
The thread included information not posted on here before, about where the silencer was in the cupboard.
Instead she gets picky and moans.
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What are you talking about ? I have not posted any links.
Why can't I post related links to a post ? Just don't click on it.
No one and I mean NO ONE wants any of your links to old posts posting, if they do, they will ask BUTd don't be holding your breath!!
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I did answer it yesterday in you're thread.
This thread has gone into more detail on one of you're questions. And given you answers, unless you disagree.
I didn´t ask about the silencer, Adam - you misunderstood.
I think I am being very patient now!
Read what I write!
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No one and I mean NO ONE wants any of your links to old posts posting, if they do, they will ask BUTd don't be holding your breath!!
Thank you. That makes me feel good. You don't talk for everyone.
Don't click on them then. What is the problem ?
Oh yes, you were a Jeremy supporter. He sent you some letters to make you feel important. So you did not like my posts earlier in the year which totally highlighted his guilt. So you still do not like it when I show further evidence showing his guilt. It makes you look stupid.
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Why stage the Bible, why hide the silencer, why fake the phonecall from Nevill, thereby narrowing the possible culprits down to Sheila and himself? Why not keep it open to more than those two by NOT staging a suicide?
Part of you're thread Alias. The words 'why hide the silencer' visible.
I spent time answering this part of you're question for you today. A thank you would be nice.
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Back on thread topic. It is simple why Jeremy put the silencer where he did.
All explained on page one.
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Why stage the Bible, why hide the silencer, why fake the phonecall from Nevill, thereby narrowing the possible culprits down to Sheila and himself? Why not keep it open to more than those two by NOT staging a suicide?
Part of you're thread Alias. The words 'why hide the silencer' visible.
I spent time answering this part of you're question for you today. A thank you would be nice.
You can´t take it isolated. I am not particularly interested in the silencer in this instance.
Now, good night all!
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You can´t take it isolated. I am not particularly interested in the silencer in this instance.
Now, good night all!
Then don't ask.
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You could do with going to bed,Adam,you're getting nowty.
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It was a rhetorical question, Adam.
I know you are having a break. Take care.
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Thank you. That makes me feel good. You don't talk for everyone.
Don't click on them then. What is the problem ?
Oh yes, you were a Jeremy supporter. He sent you some letters to make you feel important. So you did not like my posts earlier in the year which totally highlighted his guilt. So you still do not like it when I show further evidence showing his guilt. It makes you look stupid.
Adam - that's well out of order.
Caroline and I can agree to disagree and we are not rude to each other - can you not post without sarcastic comments. Try following our example.
Also I don't think you have answered my questions.
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Adam - that's well out of order.
Caroline and I can agree to disagree and we are not rude to each other - can you not post without sarcastic comments. Try following our example.
Also I don't think you have answered my questions.
Adam is on a little "holiday", don´t know if you know? He will be able to post again in a few hours though.
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Adam is on a little "holiday", don´t know if you know? He will be able to post again in a few hours though.
;) ;) :)
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Adam is on a little "holiday", don´t know if you know? He will be able to post again in a few hours though.
ahhhhh.
thanks
A few hours - hmmm - will that be enough ? You do know he will be reading some more books? ???
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jansus don't think a few hours ban will make any difference to Adam after all he is Adam and that is the way he is ;D just silly other than abusive. I would think the most effective method would be to remove posts other than ban. Just my opinion Am I correct in thinking he has been banned..
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jansus don't think a few hours ban will make any difference to Adam after all he is Adam and that is the way he is ;D just silly other than abusive. I would think the most effective method would be to remove posts other than ban. Just my opinion Am I correct in thinking he has been banned..
Susan, it's been done on more occasions than I can count. Did you notice any difference?
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Hello April Since I joined the forum I have never seen any good come out of a ban in fact to the contrary at times. Delete the posts end of story.
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I agree there,Susan. It would have hurt more to delete a few posts and drop his total,than to ban him.
He should be called Radish because of all his repeats. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Ha Ha lookout I love radish ;D
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I agree there,Susan. It would have hurt more to delete a few posts and drop his total,than to ban him.
He should be called Radish because of all his repeats. ;D ;D ;D ;D
What moderator should run around after him day and night picking up his droppings? :-\
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Susan/lookout. It wasn't a decision taken lightly. He was given several warnings but became argumentative and disruptive, and VERY rude to Caroline and others. Each time his posts have been deleted he has reposted. He was offered a second chance which he chose to ignore.
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April if that is the case he deserves to be banned if he was warned maybe make him think twice about being so silly and rude. I told him earlier in a post he should apologise to Caroline for being so rude to her but he just ignored me.
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April if that is the case he deserves to be banned if he was warned maybe make him think twice about being so silly and rude. I told him earlier in a post he should apologise to Caroline for being so rude to her but he just ignored me.
Susan, we'll keep our fingers crossed and hope :)
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HaHaHa April "Live in hope and die in despair" ;D ;D ;D ;D he was probably a kid at school who thought he was cool when he was sent to detention all the time. ;D
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Adam will have missed us all so much that he will be practically a saint when he comes back, just wait and see! ;) ;D
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Adam - that's well out of order.
Caroline and I can agree to disagree and we are not rude to each other - can you not post without sarcastic comments. Try following our example.
Also I don't think you have answered my questions.
Thanks Jansus :). It's the naughty step for Adam I'm afraid, I think he thought all of the warnings were were just a bluff.
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HaHaHa April "Live in hope and die in despair" ;D ;D ;D ;D he was probably a kid at school who thought he was cool when he was sent to detention all the time. ;D
Oh, Susan, d'ya mean you think he's actually left school :o :o :o :)
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April you could be right never thought of that ;D ;D ;D
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I think he's still wet behind the ears as well. A sort of a " Billy Liar ".
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See, we are talking about Adam - we must miss him a little bit! ;)
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Alias has Scipio gone on a little holiday with Adam ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Alias has Scipio gone on a little holiday with Adam ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You never know. Wonder if they talk about threads, sources and how gawdawful Jeremy B is during their break. I hope they can find something else to talk about. Would do them a world of good! ;D
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Alias you never know they may have gone out dancing kinda tap dncing ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Alias you never know they may have gone out dancing kinda tap dncing ;D ;D ;D ;D
I was thinking more along the lines of a crash course/bootcamp in anger management and "Controlling your Hissy Fits", combined with drums and pipes classes? Scipio likes to wear a kilt, and I don´t think Adam will mind, he´ll just do what it takes (after the anger management class).
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He's back! ;D
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Yes I am back.
My thread relates to everyone. Can you not delete it please.
Thank you.
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Yes I am back.
My thread relates to everyone. Can you not delete it please.
Thank you.
It's gone, post on the Bamber case - everyone knows why you were banned.
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Can you just leave the thread on there. People are free to comment on it.
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Can you just leave the thread on there. People are free to comment on it.
The stuff contained in it is why you were banned.
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Tell me what's incorrect.
Thank you.
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Stan Jones took possession of a sound moderator at the scene on the morning of the shootings, 7th August 1985...
This silencer was fingetprinted by DS Davidson on 9th August 1985...
You do not have to be a genious to work it out that the other silencer found by relatives at the scene on 10th August 1985, occurred after Jones had already taken possession of the other silencer three days earlier...
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In one of Stan Jones statements, he mentions receiving a message from DCI Jones, whilst Stan Jones and DC Clark were with Jeremy at his cottage taking a witness statement from Jeremy on 7th August 1985. As a result, Stan left Jeremys cottage around 11am and went back to the scene to recover a sound moderator that DCI Jones had asked him to collect and bring it to his office at Witham police station.
This sound moderator was not the same one found three days later by relatives, FACT...
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Just because " a silencer ",or 2,3,4,5,is in the equation,doesn't mean to say that Jeremy was the murderer no matter how many times it's used against him whether Sheilas' blood was on it,or King Kongs'.
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Susan this is the thread about 'silly' Jeremy leaving the silencer in the gun cupboard.
To be fair to him he was not silly. He was right in believing the police would not bother searching inside small boxes. It was murder/suicide.
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Adam must have missed that thread I will go and study it thank you kindly :)
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For Gemma.