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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: wilf on June 17, 2014, 03:30:PM
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it si said Jeremy grew canabis in his garden. was there any growing at the time? what was the police reaction when they found it (they surely would) ? or was this in a previous year?
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It was nowhere near the " farms " industry that we see today,Wilf. Probably one or two straggly little plants,,which when grown outside would amount to nothing and wouldn't fill a cigarette paper.
This is where the surveillance came into play,so Jeremy,,and the phones were watched for any deals going on.
The fact that there was no stash of cash anywhere should answer your query.
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it si said Jeremy grew canabis in his garden. was there any growing at the time? what was the police reaction when they found it (they surely would) ? or was this in a previous year?
WHF grew a type of canabis on licence. Whether Jeremy grew it in his garden is as far as I know just hearsay. The police at the time were investigating the movement of canabis from WHF to Colchester under the name Operation Stokenchurch. Nothing was known about this secret operation at that time, but it was revealed years later.
I actually posted photographs of the Stokenchurch antenna that campion had found. If this operation happened, which it did it means that that Special Branch knew about the phonecalls that took place between WHF and Jeremy's house. It also explains why a Special Branch officers were at the murder scene. But because of the secrecy of the operation and because this was still an ongoing operation none of this was heard in the court case. They could have cleared Bamber at that time. But of course none of them care now.
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It was nowhere near the " farms " industry that we see today,Wilf. Probably one or two straggly little plants,,which when grown outside would amount to nothing and wouldn't fill a cigarette paper.
This is where the surveillance came into play,so Jeremy,,and the phones were watched for any deals going on.
The fact that there was no stash of cash anywhere should answer your query.
You cannot grow the type of canabis that they grow today without special equipment. One operation was closed down in Maldon quite recently.
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It was nowhere near the " farms " industry that we see today,Wilf. Probably one or two straggly little plants,,which when grown outside would amount to nothing and wouldn't fill a cigarette paper.
This is where the surveillance came into play,so Jeremy,,and the phones were watched for any deals going on.
The fact that there was no stash of cash anywhere should answer your query.
The garden of Jeremy's cottage, as gardens of other two up, two down cottages, would have been the width of the cottage, which like other two up, two downs was likely to have been 12'. Built to house labourers who, historically produced large families, it's quite possible that it could have been 200' long BUT the garden is overlooked by every other house in the row. Could Jeremy have been getting rid of the excess to his neighbours? Could they all have been serving up steamed marijuana to their families thinking it was a new kind of green vegetable?
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Hello April wish my neighbours would serve that upto me instead of the old looking cabbage and so forth ;D ;D ;D ;D
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What canabis was there at WHF and who was moving it? WHF was licenced to grow drugs for medical use but was this canabis? the licence would surely have had provision for possible criminal exploitstion? there are lots of other madical drugs grown digitalis for example. am I missing something?
there was a field full of canabis grown near one of my walks it had NO street value as it had NO mind altering effect. it was for its fiber use in a type of spray plastering in the building industry. mind you stopped you in your tracks to see acres of it
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What canabis was there at WHF and who was moving it? WHF was licenced to grow drugs for medical use but was this canabis? the licence would surely have had provision for possible criminal exploitstion? there are lots of other madical drugs grown digitalis for example. am I missing something?
there was a field full of canabis grown near one of my walks it had NO street value as it had NO mind altering effect. it was for its fiber use in a type of spray plastering in the building industry. mind you stopped you in your tracks to see acres of it
Wasn´t it opium and not cannabis?
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WHF grew a type of canabis on licence. Whether Jeremy grew it in his garden is as far as I know just hearsay. The police at the time were investigating the movement of canabis from WHF to Colchester under the name Operation Stokenchurch. Nothing was known about this secret operation at that time, but it was revealed years later.
I actually posted photographs of the Stokenchurch antenna that campion had found. If this operation happened, which it did it means that that Special Branch knew about the phonecalls that took place between WHF and Jeremy's house. It also explains why a Special Branch officers were at the murder scene. But because of the secrecy of the operation and because this was still an ongoing operation none of this was heard in the court case. They could have cleared Bamber at that time. But of course none of them care now.
Essex police have a drug division tha thandles drugs.
There is no evidence that his phone was tapped let alone evidence that they recorded a call from Jeremy to Neivll on the night of th emurders.
Your wild tales are becoming as bad as Mike's in fact Mike already make these ridicilous allegations without offering any shred of proof in the past.
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Hello April wish my neighbours would serve that upto me instead of the old looking cabbage and so forth ;D ;D ;D ;D
Marijuana cheese sounds good, doesn't it Susan OR using in in place of spinach in a Florentine dish. Wouldn't THAT make your eyes sparkle ;D ;D ;D
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Marijuana cheese sounds good, doesn't it Susan OR using in in place of spinach in a Florentine dish. Wouldn't THAT make your eyes sparkle ;D ;D ;D
Eating pot makes you sick. Some US states have violated federal law and legalized pot for various reasons. There are a number of pot food products being sold currently that have caused a rash of illnesses. Pot brownies used to just be done for a joke but unless a token amout of pot is used it should not be consumed.
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Wasn´t it opium and not cannabis?
Alias - yes that is what I read before - WHF was quite advanced for its time and licenced to grow opium for medicinal purposes. Probably a good income I should think.
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im suprised the police and proscution dident make more of the fact he was growing dope.
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im suprised the police and proscution dident make more of the fact he was growing dope.
I agree - in those days it would be very handy to add to the "character assassination"
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So there we have it,,Jeremy the( dope peddlar ) peddling like fury from the scene of the crime. ;D ;D ;D
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I agree - in those days it would be very handy to add to the "character assassination"
an to that charge i don't think hes got any claim of innocence.
so i am rather surprised that wasn't biged up.
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Doesn't make him a murderer though.
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no but i thought they would charged him with it while they were looking for evidence to charge him with murder handy bit of character assassination.
rather funny they never thought of that.
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no but i thought they would charged him with it while they were looking for evidence to charge him with murder handy bit of character assassination.
rather funny they never thought of that.
Prior bad acts must at least be indictments if not convictions in order to be used unless there were some direct relation to the crime. For instance if it were documented that the fight witesses between Jeremy and Nevill had to do with Nevill growing drugs then the drug issue could come in through the witness to the fight testifying about such. But in reality the witness didn't know what the fight was over so no issue was raised at all for said fight.
You can't just say look he grew drugs so he is a bad seed and likely guilty of murder. Bad acts have to be used for nuanced purposes and brought in, in nuanced ways like the potential example I gave.
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they dident need them to be admissable in court they just had to get it in the papers.
if a jurer has had read of it in a newspaper then the damage is done.
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Wasn´t it opium and not cannabis?
Yes
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so that would be even more damaging.
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Also used in the manufacturing of heroin.
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I am not sure from reading a bit further whether it was specifically JB that was being watched? was it not to do with the theft of the crops in general ? So did they suspect it was an inside job or outside job and WHF was just being watched in general ?
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They used to have those dried opium plants at florists here - they were for flower decorations. Youngsters would buy them and boil the "heads" into "tea", which gave a mild opium effect. They are prohibited now - the authorities found out about this.
Can´t help wondering if Sheila and Jeremy would have done the same with the crops readily available to them at the farm?!
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I am not sure from reading a bit further whether it was specifically JB that was being watched? was it not to do with the theft of the crops in general ? So did they suspect it was an inside job or outside job and WHF was just being watched in general ?
Are you talking about the Caravan burglary when you say job?
There is no evidence Jeremy was being watched by police of any kind until after the murders when they came to suspect him.
Some people are claiming without any evidence to back up their claims that police definitely would have been watching him prior to the murders because of neighbors complained that he was growing drugs. I doubt aneighbor;s complain would result in his phone being tapped and him being followed aorund and there is no evidence that such occurred.
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a small ammount for own use, back garden style, seems small fry to get special branch involved. and phone taps are home office controled so not given out without good reason. if crop theft related to drugs us was the problem how come MAFF wernt involved it was their licence?
all seems a bit cloak and dagger to me. this is an awful tradgedy without getting theories of organised crime into the mix
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a small ammount for own use, back garden style, seems small fry to get special branch involved. and phone taps are home office controled so not given out without good reason. if crop theft related to drugs us was the problem how come MAFF wernt involved it was their licence?
all seems a bit cloak and dagger to me. this is an awful tradgedy without getting theories of organised crime into the mix
I have to agree with you here. A few cannabis plants in a back yard would be a matter for the local police, nothing more.
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Maybe it was the opium poppies that were the attraction. They were worth money if grown for the pharmas in the manufacture of medicines,etc.
There were a few notorious drug gangs around at that time too.
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What canabis was there at WHF and who was moving it? WHF was licenced to grow drugs for medical use but was this canabis? the licence would surely have had provision for possible criminal exploitstion? there are lots of other madical drugs grown digitalis for example. am I missing something?
there was a field full of canabis grown near one of my walks it had NO street value as it had NO mind altering effect. it was for its fiber use in a type of spray plastering in the building industry. mind you stopped you in your tracks to see acres of it
Yes it was cannabis. But I'm not prepared to divulge my source, because they told me in confidence.
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Maybe it was the opium poppies that were the attraction. They were worth money if grown for the pharmas in the manufacture of medicines,etc.
There were a few notorious drug gangs around at that time too.
I dont think it is or was illegal to grow opium in this country ( not really hot enough) processing it IS
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Yes
Ngb it was cannabis as well I know that for a fact.
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Are you talking about the Caravan burglary when you say job?
There is no evidence Jeremy was being watched by police of any kind until after the murders when they came to suspect him.
Some people are claiming without any evidence to back up their claims that police definitely would have been watching him prior to the murders because of neighbors complained that he was growing drugs. I doubt aneighbor;s complain would result in his phone being tapped and him being followed aorund and there is no evidence that such occurred.
No I was not
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a small ammount for own use, back garden style, seems small fry to get special branch involved. and phone taps are home office controled so not given out without good reason. if crop theft related to drugs us was the problem how come MAFF wernt involved it was their licence?
all seems a bit cloak and dagger to me. this is an awful tradgedy without getting theories of organised crime into the mix
Wilf you will just have to take my word on this one. But those who were involved in the Rettendon murders are here around Maldon now. They are organised gangs who have moved down from London's East End and are controlling the drug trafficking here right now. I believe that something is going to kick off soon.
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Maybe it was the opium poppies that were the attraction. They were worth money if grown for the pharmas in the manufacture of medicines,etc.
There were a few notorious drug gangs around at that time too.
Extracting opium from the poppies and turning it into morphine – or heroin – is so complex and expensive that growers are confident the flowers will not be pilfered by enterprising drug dealers.
The opium poppy, Papaver somniferum, was first grown commercially on British farms in 2002 and is a different species to the common wild red poppy which contains no morphine at all.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1028504/The-opium-fields-England--heroin-producing-poppies-grown-make-NHS-pain-relief-drugs.html
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http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2939.msg104299.html#msg104299
on this link there is mention of a photo of a cannabis plant - bit random.
Also I seem to remember Mike posted a document that showed the surveilance
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Just noticed that Nevilles' watch was a Cartier one. Jeremy would have whizzed that and sold it if he'd been at WHF that night,. Cartier goods demand excellent prices,being that he( " was a greedy pig ".)
It would have gone straight in his pocket !
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who was MCclean - mentioned twice on the list IV and letter from page to McClean?
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Just noticed that Nevilles' watch was a Cartier one. Jeremy would have whizzed that and sold it if he'd been at WHF that night,. Cartier goods demand excellent prices,being that he( " was a greedy pig ".)
It would have gone straight in his pocket !
He couldn't afford to take Nevill's wallet or any of his parent's jewelry because it needed ot look like Sheila killed them not a robbery. He would get eveyrhting thye own down the road so had no need to grab anything at the time of the murders.
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He couldn't afford to take Nevill's wallet or any of his parent's jewelry because it needed ot look like Sheila killed them not a robbery. He would get eveyrhting thye own down the road so had no need to grab anything at the time of the murders.
Someone else beat him to it in the end,so he may as well have half-hinched it.
Half of what was at the farmhouse no-one else knew about so it needn't have looked like a robbery.
I notice that nobody came forthwith after the murders with any mention of the watch ?
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Someone else beat him to it in the end,so he may as well have half-hinched it.
Half of what was at the farmhouse no-one else knew about so it needn't have looked like a robbery.
I notice that nobody came forthwith after the murders with any mention of the watch ?
Lookout. What happens after any death is that the relatives go to the house to take what valuables there are. The main reason for this is that those valuables, whether they be antiques or jewellery are not included in the estate. The reason for that is obvious. Death duties. The relatives acted no different when it came to WHF. Jeremy was also the same. He also removed stuff. They all did. No one wants to pay death duties. Why shout the state get what was not theirs?
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Lookout. What happens after any death is that the relatives go to the house to take what valuables there are. The main reason for this is that those valuables, whether they be antiques or jewellery are not included in the estate. The reason for that is obvious. Death duties. The relatives acted no different when it came to WHF. Jeremy was also the same. He also removed stuff. They all did. No one wants to pay death duties. Why shout the state get what was not theirs?
I agree,Grahame. I did the same so far as I could anyway,otherwise it would have looked suspicious if the place had been stripped bare. ;D ;D
As things stood,the death duties were still stiff,,on top of everything else.