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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: nugnug on June 16, 2014, 01:46:PM
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if shiela was the killer that ment exsex police had arsed about outside while people were being killed.5 people who could of been saved had they acted quicker.
one of those people was a promenant citzen.
sooner or later this bound to be found out and they would of been in big trouble.
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if shiela was the killer that ment exsex police had arsed about outside while people were being killed.5 people who could of been saved had they acted quicker.
one of those people was a promenant citzen.
sooner or later this bound to be found out and they would of been in big trouble.
You mean of course that they wanted to take the heat off themselves and needed a scapegoat?
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yes that's exactly what i mean
to start they wouldent of realised the consequences of what they had just done but as it sunk in they would be bound to try and find a way out of it.
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if shiela was the killer that ment exsex police had arsed about outside while people were being killed.5 people who could of been saved had they acted quicker.
one of those people was a promenant citzen.
sooner or later this bound to be found out and they would of been in big trouble.
You're right,nugs. Drake,I think it was,,used to play golf with Neville,,so he'd feel more than obliged to do him this favour,,posthumously,,as a way of seeing justice being done to his murderer.
Except that just one thing was overlooked--------------------they had the wrong person !
Unless one and all go over events at WHF that night,,poor Jeremy will remain where he is.
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i mean if an armed unit did nothing while people were being killed what would the consequences not just for them but ep as a whole.
what would the press of made of it.
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This is what I meant yesterday when I said that they weren't conspiring,,but trying their best to get out of the hole that they'd dug themselves.
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i mean you could argue it wasnt really there fault but i doubt if there superiors would see it the same way.
i doubt if the press would.
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This forum have all agreed that the relatives or Julie did not try to frame Jeremy. It is preposterous to suggest they did. Thread already created.
Julie approached the police but had nothing of any value to say. Stan Jones coached her. The silencer handed in by the relatives was of no use.
The police cleaned up the handed in silencer and told the lab technicians to expertly put incriminating blood & DNA in it.
Not sure if this was the reason why. Calling the raid team in after what Jeremy told them seems like protocol to me.
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nobodys agread on anything and that wont change no matter how much you tell people they agrea with you.
we have agread to nothing forums dont have a party line.
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This is what I meant yesterday when I said that they weren't conspiring,,but trying their best to get out of the hole that they'd dug themselves.
and the relatives suddenly offered them a way out of that hole.
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nobodys agread on anything and that wont change no matter how much you tell people they agrea with you.
we have agread to nothing forums dont have a party line.
Have you not read the threads on Julie and the relatives ?
It is preposterous to suggest either had tried to frame Jeremy.
A month after the massacre. With it now being yesterday's news with the media & public, the police tried to frame an innocent man of the massacre of his own family. They succeeded as well.
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ive just given a reason they might of done.
i think they had every reason not to want it to be shiela.
and the atention of the press can return as quickly as it went away.
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Miller & Bews were not Bodie & Doyle. They were policemen in an area where there was little or no crime (source available upon request).
They were dealing in a once in a lifetime situation. A 'depressive psychotic' was going 'crazy' in a house full of guns. And Jeremy said she knew how to use them as well.
Best call in the experts.
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if it was shiela that ment that ep had waited outside while she was killing everybody instead of going in and saving them.
so had a very good reason to want to divert blame from shiela.
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Wrong.
It is standard procedure to bring in experts in a hostage situation where guns are involved.
Did you expect two old codgers like Bews & Miller to go charging in there unarmed ? Why didn't Jeremy ? It was 'the only family he had' Oh I forgot, he was afraid.
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an armed unit had no real excuse to piss around outside.
the orignal team did but not the armed unit.
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Wrong.
It is standard procedure to bring in experts in a hostage situation where guns are involved.
Did you expect two old codgers like Bews & Miller to go charging in there unarmed ? Why didn't Jeremy ? Oh I forgot, he was afraid.
I've yet to hear of a potential hostage incident where the police have sent/allowed to go in a civilian before their own entry. There was NEVER any question of Jeremy going in. Did they not tell him to wait for them?
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I've yet to hear of a potential hostage incident where the police have sent/allowed to go in a civilian before their own entry. There was NEVER any question of Jeremy going in. Did they not tell him to wait for them?
So on the night everyone agreed the best thing to do was wait for the 'armed' raid team. Jeremy seemed quite happy to wait. Drawing maps and sitting in the car.
Jeremy had rang the police because he was frightened. Poor baby. After what he told Bews & Miller I bet they were frightened as well.
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This forum have all agreed that the relatives or Julie did not try to frame Jeremy. It is preposterous to suggest they did. Thread already created. IT IS PREPOSTOROUS FOR YOU TO SAY THIS FORUM ALL AGREE ON ANYTHING- JUST CREATING A THREAD DOES NOT MAKE IT FACT
Julie approached the police but had nothing of any value to say. Stan Jones coached her. The silencer handed in by the relatives was of no use.???? NOT EVEN SURE WHAT YOUR POINT IS - EVEN IF SHE HAD BEEN A DEFENCE WITNESS SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN OF VALUE -?
The police cleaned up the handed in silencer and told the lab technicians to expertly put incriminating blood & DNA in it. ??? THAT IS NOT A CONSENSUS OF OPINION - UNLESS IT IS YOURS? SOME THINK IT WAS NOT EVEN USED - OTHER THINK IT WAS NOT HANDELED IN A FORENSIC WAY AND SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN USED AS EVIDENCE .
Not sure if this was the reason why. Calling the raid team in after what Jeremy told them seems like protocol to me.SO WHY WERE THEY NOT THERE IMMEDIATELY - WHY WERE THEY CALLED OFF THEN CALLED IN AGAIN?
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The relatives did not have the time, expertise, financial need and courage to frame Jeremy. Thread already created.
Julie approached the police after lots of soul searching. The police had nothing on her.
Rule them out of the equation.
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A month after the massacre, how were the police going to frame Jeremy ?
They could use the recently handed in silencer and get the lab technicians to expertly put incrimination blood inside. That''s how.
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So on the night everyone agreed the best thing to do was wait for the 'armed' raid team. Jeremy seemed quite happy to wait. Drawing maps and sitting in the car.
Jeremy had rang the police because he was frightened. Poor baby. After what he told Bews & Miller I bet they were frightened as well.
Read the police statements - he was told to wait and meet the police outside.
Why would they be frightened - they had armed back up available and apparently were "trained professionals"
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So on the night everyone agreed the best thing to do was wait for the 'armed' raid team. Jeremy seemed quite happy to wait. Drawing maps and sitting in the car.
Jeremy had rang the police because he was frightened. Poor baby. After what he told Bews & Miller I bet they were frightened as well.
Are you suggesting that some sort of discussion took place about kitting Jeremy out with protective clothing and sending him in to do a recce? Whether or not he was happy to wait isn't part of the equation.
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A month after the massacre, how were the police going to frame Jeremy ?
They could use the recently handed in silencer and get the lab technicians to expertly put incrimination blood inside. That''s how.
That has come from you - that is not what any of us think - read my previous post .
The lab technicians were angry with the police about the paperwork handling - I have not seen anyone on here accuse the lab technicians - I think you should be a bit more careful about what you write.
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Yes. They decided to call armed back up. Who decided to force entry at daylight.
Numug is saying the police should have gone in straight away. Because they did not, that is why they framed Jeremy. A month later.
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Yes. They decided to call armed back up. Who decided to force entry at daylight.
Numug is saying the police should have gone in straight away. Because they did not, that is why they framed Jeremy. A month later.
He is saying it is a possibility .
If that was your children in that house and there was NO SOUND and NO SIGN OF LIFE what would you have expected the police to do?
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This forum have all agreed that the relatives or Julie did not try to frame Jeremy. It is preposterous to suggest they did. Thread already created.
Julie approached the police but had nothing of any value to say. Stan Jones coached her. The silencer handed in by the relatives was of no use.
The police cleaned up the handed in silencer and told the lab technicians to expertly put incriminating blood & DNA in it.
Not sure if this was the reason why. Calling the raid team in after what Jeremy told them seems like protocol to me.
I imagine that it's highly unlikely that most members will agree with ANYTHING said by you, irrelevant of how many threads you create.
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A month after the massacre, how were the police going to frame Jeremy ?
They could use the recently handed in silencer and get the lab technicians to expertly put incrimination blood inside. That''s how.
There seems to be an echo or a parrot in here but whatever it is, it's getting the hang of things! ;)
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That has come from you - that is not what any of us think - read my previous post .
The lab technicians were angry with the police about the paperwork handling - I have not seen anyone on here accuse the lab technicians - I think you should be a bit more careful about what you write.
So how did the police frame Jeremy one month after the massacre ?
The relatives did not have the time, knowledge of blood types, courage, financial need or blood planting expertise to frame Jeremy.
How did the blood get into the silencer if the police did not tell the lab technicians to do so ?
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So how did the police frame Jeremy one month after the massacre ?
The relatives did not have the time, knowledge of blood types, courage, financial need or blood planting expertise to frame Jeremy.
How did the blood get into the silencer if the police did not tell the lab technicians to do so ?
The question COULD be: How do YOU think the police framed Jeremy? As you obviously don't think they did, I imagine you'll be as interested in anything we have to say about it, as are we with what you repeatedly dish out.
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So how did the police frame Jeremy one month after the massacre ?
The relatives did not have the time, knowledge of blood types, courage, financial need or blood planting expertise to frame Jeremy.
How did the blood get into the silencer if the police did not tell the lab technicians to do so ?
The blood samples from SC didn't go straight to the lab. There were three samples taken and only two were used. The samples were kept in the SOCO fridge and as we know, there is no mention of the silencer until September.
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The question COULD be: How do YOU think the police framed Jeremy? As you obviously don't think they did, I imagine you'll be as interested in anything we have to say about it, as are we with what you repeatedly dish out.
I have recently said it must have been the police instructing the lab technicians. But people have today refuted this.
So that must mean the silencer handed in by the relatives already had the correct incriminating blood.
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I have recently said it must have been the police instructing the lab technicians. But people have today refuted this.
So that must mean the silencer handed in by the relatives already had the correct incriminating blood.
Or did it?
Even now the experts are arguing about the blood in the silencer - and we know how wrong experts can be
you must be familiar with the Sion Jenkins case/ Barry George/ and even sadder cases involving professor meadows.
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Or did it?
Even now the experts are arguing about the blood in the silencer - and we know how wrong experts can be
you must be familiar with the Sion Jenkins case/ Barry George/ and even sadder cases involving professor meadows.
Jansus, in Adam's fantasy world, experts never lie because experts NEVER get it wrong.
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Jansus, in Adam's fantasy world, experts never lie because experts NEVER get it wrong.
Because we all live in the perfect world of Camberwick Green and Trumpton.
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Because we all live in the perfect world of Camberwick Green and Trumpton.
Grahame, I thought he lived with Noddy and Big Ears :D
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I just think his mind is too small to be let out alone ;D
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im allways people say the police had no motive to fit him up but the actully had a very good one.
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if shiela was the killer that ment exsex police had arsed about outside while people were being killed.5 people who could of been saved had they acted quicker.
one of those people was a promenant citzen.
sooner or later this bound to be found out and they would of been in big trouble.
The evidence is that she killed everyone before police ever arrived. SO your claim they coudl be faulted for the deths is erroneous.
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time of death was never established so the evedence says no such thing.
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The blood samples from SC didn't go straight to the lab. There were three samples taken and only two were used. The samples were kept in the SOCO fridge and as we know, there is no mention of the silencer until September.
The 3 samples were transferred to the lab though.
The samples had seals on the bottles and also a bag that contained the bottles. The lab found no evidence the seals had bene broken. You therefore have no evidence that the police planted anything.
Indeed the police considered the significance of the suppressor to be the potential for prints.
Any planting of evidence would have to have been done by the lab which not only needed to plany evidence but remove evidence because if the gun had been used without the suppressor then the gun itself would have had blood in it which needed to vanish.
There of course is no evidence of any of this happening. You need proof to discount the suppressor evidence and have none.