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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Adam on June 13, 2014, 11:02:PM
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Sheila opened fire in the main bedroom.
Neville died downstairs after being shot upstairs. Sheila would would only have had three bullets left if she had shot the twins first. Not enough to prevent Neville and June from restraining her.
It has already been asked how an awake Neville & June allowed Sheila to fire off 11 bullets unchallenged. Letting Sheila accurately hit them both eleven times, five times in the head.
But did an awake Neville & June not anticipate Sheila was about to start shooting ? It would have been the perfect time to both jump on her. Rather than wait to be shot ?
People cannot claim they were not expecting Sheila to suddenly start shooting. Neville had already rang Jeremy and said 'come quickly, Sheila has gone crazy and she's got the gun'.
June & Neville were both awake, in the bedroom with Sheila. Sheila was holding a not very powerful rifle. Why was a restraining attempt not made minutes or seconds before shots were fired ?
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Sheila opened fire in the main bedroom.
Neville died downstairs after being shot upstairs. Sheila would would only have had three bullets left if she had shot the twins first. Not enough to prevent Neville and June from restraining her.
It has already been asked how an awake Neville & June allowed Sheila to fire off 11 bullets unchallenged. Letting Sheila accurately hit them both eleven times, five times in the head.
But did an awake Neville & June not anticipate Sheila was about to start shooting ? It would have been the perfect time to both jump on her. Rather than wait to be shot ?
People cannot claim they were not expecting Sheila to suddenly start shooting. Neville had already rang Jeremy and said 'come quickly, Sheila has gone crazy and she's got the gun'.
June & Neville were both awake, in the bedroom with Sheila. Sheila was holding a not very powerful rifle. Why was a restraining attempt not made minutes or seconds before shots were fired ?
Anyone who looks at the crimes in an honest fashion recognizes that the shooting started in the master bedroom. The twins were not shot first.
The parents were the most dangerous and needed to be killed first, particularly Nevill. His size and strenght made it obvious ahead of time he was the biggest threat and that was borne out by the fact he put up a fight even though he was wounded. 11 shots were fired at them in the bedroom and that was only possible if the gun had been loaded to maximum capacity.
The only reason Nevill made it alive to the kitchen and struggled with the killer in the kitchen was because the weapon was empty. There is no other explanation for why he would leave the bedroom alive and why the killer did shoot him in the kitchen but instead knocked him out and then shot him after. The killer had to knock his out to be able to reload and once reloaded killed him.
The killer then fully relaoded the magazine (10 rounds). Went upstairs and either shot the boys 8 times then Sheila twice or Sheila twice and then the boys 8 times. The gun was then empty. If one asserts that Sheila was the killer then obviously they would insist she shot the twins and then used the last 2 on herself.
The killer could have fired the 11 rounds in under 15 seconds. We don't know for a fact that Nevill didn't try to do anything. It coudl simply be that by the time he reacted the killer bolted dowstairs towards the kitchen and that Nevill chased his killer there, caught the killer in the kitchen, tried to disarm said killer and that is the reason for the struggle that occurred.
While this is what the evidence suggests happened zealots on both sides of the aisle resist.
Some who insist Jeremy is guilty do not like these facts because one of the arguments they make is rendered baseless. They like to point out that Sheila had no pockets so would not have been able to carry extra ammunition. Jeremy claims he was not sure if he fully loaded the magazine or not. They like to pretend the gun had only 8 bullets and that she would have had to reload after firing 8 but had no opportunity and would thus have been easily disarmed so can't be responsible. Moreove rthey suggest she would not have relaoded the magazine to capacity so would have needed ot keep running up and down.
They don't like the fact that she didn't need to keep running up and down to reload. She could have simply loaded 4 rounds after knocking Nevill out and then loaded another 10 before going upstairs. So no need to carry bullets anwhere.
Most Jeremy Zealots like that aspect but not enough to admit this is the truth of what happened because there are so many other damaging aspects to this reality.
1) if the event started in the master bedroom then the purported phone call by Nevill was a farce. They thus try to pretend things started elsewhere some suggesting the shooting started elsehwere as well.
2) Sheila would not have known she could load 11 rounds in the weapon and even if she knew this she would be unlikely to bother if she had truly been in a crazy rage as alleged.
3) During the course of the struggle in the kitchen Sheila would definiteny have broken a nail and likely received some other injuries to her hands including blisters or scratches from the stock as it broke. Moreover, she would have had Nevill's blood on her clothing and possibly body as well. So many Jeremy supporters choose not to admit a struggle took place because the ramifications are so damaging.
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Why do you think Neville or June did not converge/jump on Sheila before she had the chance to unload 11 bullets in the main bedroom ?
The situation could not be more serious. Sheila had spent minutes or hours having a psychotic episode. Holding a rifle. Neville had rang Jeremy. Although BW said Neville could restrain Sheila with one arm.
Amazingly neither Neville or June anticipated Sheila was about to start shooting. Or they did anticipate, but did nothing . June was so laid back, she remained in bed.
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It's so easy when you know nothing of another person to make them do exactly what YOU want them to within the confines of your own brain space. You COULD make them do anything you like but you're limited by your own parameters. As such, I imagine it would be very difficult for you to get to grips with what June would have done so you INSULT her by saying she was so laid back, she remained in bed. I think June would have put her life entirely into God's hands. I think she would have prayed. Her faith had always sustained her. Her belief in God was the driving force in her life. I believe that in her last few, TERRIFYING minutes, it's not impossible that her focus was entirely on God.
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Why do you think Neville or June did not converge/jump on Sheila before she had the chance to unload 11 bullets in the main bedroom ?
The situation could not be more serious. Sheila had spent minutes or hours having a psychotic episode. Holding a rifle. Neville had rang Jeremy. Although BW said Neville could restrain Sheila with one arm.
Amazingly neither Neville or June anticipated Sheila was about to start shooting. Or they did anticipate, but did nothing . June was so laid back, she remained in bed.
Adam - please - you could restrain an 11 year old with one arm - but not if they were facing you whilst in the middle of a psychotic episode with a gun - they may not be seeing you as a person but as the enemy so there would be no reasoning with them. We have been through this hundreds of times
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11 year old ?
Just seems strange that the mother & father of the supposed killer did not try to restrain her before the shooting started. They were all in a confined space.
It may have resulted in one bullet being fired. That is better that 11 shots hitting two people. Five of those shots hitting the head.
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Perhaps if Sheila had said to her parents," I'm going to get the gun to shoot you both ",,might have prepared them for what was to happen. ::) Then they'd have had chance to do something about it,,,wouldn't you agree ?
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Do you agree that Sheila opened fire ( her first shots) in the main bedroom, with a fully loaded rifle. The crime scene evidence supports this. Jeremy's own testimony is that he left the rifle fully loaded.
Do you agree that Neville and June were both awake when Sheila started firing in the main bedroom ? Jeremy's own evidence supports Neville being awake. It is inconceivable that June would not have woken from hearing the noise of a 'crazy' Sheila. Or been woken by Neville prior to the first 11 shots being fired. Neville would want to protect June & would want her help.
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That's possibly how it all began,,with June receiving her first shot whilst still in bed,until eventually getting herself up as best she could. Neville getting downstairs in preparation to phone Jeremy,closely followed by Sheila,,as he actually wouldn't have received a shot before phoning,or he'd have said so.
Then because Sheila was confused that her father wasn't supporting her this time,,she was between two adults who were both condemning her actions.
What followed after that,,I'm not going to speak my thoughts on here,,so instead I'll keep them to myself,,but there were two volatile women involved here.
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That's possibly how it all began,,with June receiving her first shot whilst still in bed,until eventually getting herself up as best she could. Neville getting downstairs in preparation to phone Jeremy,closely followed by Sheila,,as he actually wouldn't have received a shot before phoning,or he'd have said so.
Then because Sheila was confused that her father wasn't supporting her this time,,she was between two adults who were both condemning her actions.
What followed after that,,I'm not going to speak my thoughts on here,,so instead I'll keep them to myself,,but there were two volatile women involved here.
1) Both June and Nevill were shot in the bedroom the claim he got out without being shot is not true.
2) If June had already been shot when he reached the phone he would called for an ambulance not called Jeremy, Jeremy could not do a thing for her. If he were a moron and called Jeremy instead of 999 he still woudl have stated June had been shot and needed help.
3) Sheila could and would have shot him before Jeremy could have answered the phone
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I don't think that Sheila did start the shooting.She only threatened,initially,,as it could have began with a " bargaining process " involving her life and the childrens' futures,,along with present day arrangements such as foster care pro-tem and respite for Sheila at Eastbourne ? convalescence.
The conversation was also bound to have touched on the meeting with Christine and how Sheila had hoped to see more of her. Much to Junes' dismay probably,as she,June,would have had a feeling of inadequacy I imagine. Nobody but nobody would have known of Junes' feelings deep down,,but I've a jolly good idea.
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I don't think that Sheila did start the shooting.She only threatened,initially,,as it could have began with a " bargaining process " involving her life and the childrens' futures,,along with present day arrangements such as foster care pro-tem and respite for Sheila at Eastbourne ? convalescence.
The conversation was also bound to have touched on the meeting with Christine and how Sheila had hoped to see more of her. Much to Junes' dismay probably,as she,June,would have had a feeling of inadequacy I imagine. Nobody but nobody would have known of Junes' feelings deep down,,but I've a jolly good idea.
Sorry Lookout but cannot agree with your theory, we don't know what June felt about Sheila meeting her birth Mum, she possibly had complex feelings but we have no idea what they were or what was spoken about that night. In reality, all we know in fact is the statement from Pamela Boutflour and even then we are accepting that her statement was truthful. Also Barbara Wilson's statement that Nevill was short with her when she telephoned during the evening. Again, we know that BW appeares to have been a little imaginative so maybe need a small pinch of salt with that. Imo :-\ :)