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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: mike tesko on June 01, 2014, 02:58:PM
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She shot and killed, the boy victims, fought and killed Ralph Bamber...
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She shot and killed, the boy victims, fought and killed Ralph Bamber...
Why would she do at all let alone around 2:30AM instead of doing it before she went to bed?
Why would she not kill Sheila too but instead go to bed and leave the weapon where Sheila could use it to kill her?
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I don't think so. Surely this wont help Jeremy at all.
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I don't think so. Surely this wont help Jeremy at all.
I agree, and I think Jeremy would be livid if he saw this.
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I don't think so. Surely this wont help Jeremy at all.
You seem to be admitting your motivation is to help Jeremy as opposed to find out the truth.
Whether it helps Jeremy or not has no bearing on whether it happened.
Saying it could have happened since she wasn't tested for GSR and foreign blood (she was near Nevill when he was shot so his spatter could have gotten on her innocently anyway) doesn't establish it did.
For this to be credible she would need to have a reason to kill Nevill and the boys but not Sheila and a reason to get out of bed kill them and then go back to bed as if nothing every happened and leave the weapon where Sheila could get it.
It doens't make sense let alone is there any evidence to establish it might have happened. That is the problem not it's potential impact on Jeremy.
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You seem to be admitting your motivation is to help Jeremy as opposed to find out the truth.
Whether it helps Jeremy or not has no bearing on whether it happened.
Saying it could have happened since she wasn't tested for GSR and foreign blood (she was near Nevill when he was shot so his spatter could have gotten on her innocently anyway) doesn't establish it did.
For this to be credible she would need to have a reason to kill Nevill and the boys but not Sheila and a reason to get out of bed kill them and then go back to bed as if nothing every happened and leave the weapon where Sheila could get it.
It doens't make sense let alone is there any evidence to establish it might have happened. That is the problem not it's potential impact on Jeremy.
Sometimes I'm ALMOST glad you're here ;D
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You seem to be admitting your motivation is to help Jeremy as opposed to find out the truth.
Whether it helps Jeremy or not has no bearing on whether it happened.
Saying it could have happened since she wasn't tested for GSR and foreign blood (she was near Nevill when he was shot so his spatter could have gotten on her innocently anyway) doesn't establish it did.
For this to be credible she would need to have a reason to kill Nevill and the boys but not Sheila and a reason to get out of bed kill them and then go back to bed as if nothing every happened and leave the weapon where Sheila could get it.
It doens't make sense let alone is there any evidence to establish it might have happened. That is the problem not it's potential impact on Jeremy.
What I meant is that distorting the truth does not help to identify correct avenues to examine in order to gain positive aspects of the case. ;)
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if june did it then who shot her this scenrio does not really make sense.
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I do know that Sheila loved her boys and gave them the love,hugs and cuddles that she,herself didn't get.
June was a good mother,,but left both Sheila and Jeremy very confused after she'd explained that they'd both been adopted. Probably without explanation,,and certainly there were to be no questions nor mention of contact with the birth parents. Both children felt unloved and unloveable.
June was of a nervous disposition and had problems sleeping,,and when she did sleep,,she was troubled by nightmares.
Not forgetting that nature dealt a devastating blow to June when she wasn't able to give birth. A dreadful blow to any woman,,and one that I don't think June ever got over. Seeing her own sister with two healthy children,,then Sheila with her boys must have all added to her already fragile state of mind,,and the last thing you need is a " round the table conference " on the future of one daughter and two grandsons.
What about June and Nevilles' future ? They were getting on in years and everyone else was thinking about themselves. Who would have looked after their welfares ? Nobody ,,it would have seemed.
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only premeditated killers have accomplices.
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I agree with what EP first said---------------a domestic.
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I think it was possible for June to be one of the shooters, and if she was it easily explains why there was no need for Sheila to handle any additional bullets loaded into the gun, negating the impact of the lack of lead deposits found on Sheila's hand swabs. Has anyone got a better explanation to account for there being no need for Sheiila to handle any bullets used in the shootings, a part from saying Jeremy did it?
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I wonder what the time difference was between the two women dying.
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Mike did you share a cell with Jeremy. Or were you just on the same block ?
Did you become friends.
Did you become convinced of his innocence after speaking to him. Or by researching the case ?
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Mike did you share a cell with Jeremy. Or were you just on the same block ?
Did you become friends.
Did you become convinced of his guilt after speaking to him. Or by researching the case ?
was that a deliberate jibe or a typo? I hope the latter .
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jansus funny I read Adam's post as I always do and did not notice the guilt now what does that tell you it was such a lovely post must have been a typo am I right Adam ;D
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Opps. But would be interested to know.
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Mike did you share a cell with Jeremy. Or were you just on the same block ?
Did you become friends.
Did you become convinced of his innocence after speaking to him. Or by researching the case ?
Hi Adam,
I was in a cell next door to Jeremy on B wing, at HMP Full sutton, between 1989 and 1990. All cells are for single use only. I did spend 1989 Christmas day dinner period, banged up in Jeremys cell with him for about three hours, but other than that I have never shared a cell with him on any other occasion. Yes, we became friends.Yes, after speaking with Jeremy and being given access to some of his case papers, I became convinced that he had not killed anyone. After my temporary release from custody in July 1990 until June 1991, I became more and more intrigued by the lack of evidence in his case, coming to the conclusion that he git convicted on circumstantial evidence, and speculation, there was nothing concrete to prove that he was the killer...
Hope this helps...
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As I have already said previously, I do not believe that June was shot in bed, I believe that Sheila shot her and she fell onto the bed.
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I will take this opportunity to remind you all that DC Clark told Ann Eaton, that Sheila and Junes bodies had been on the bed together, with the gun laying between both of them, and Sheila with a bible on her chest...
Clarke was at the scene before the training officers displaced Junes body against the bedroom door, and put Sheila on the bedroom floor parallel with the edge of the bed. CLARK SAW SHEILA AT A TIME WHEN SHE ONLY HAD A SOLITARY BULLET WOUND ON HER NECK...
This is why it is with 100% certainty that Sheila did not kill herself, and why nobody but the police could have killed her. Jeremy didn't kill Sheila, June didn't kill Sheila, no as yet unidentified hitman killed her, it could only have been the police. Whether you choose to accept this as being true or not, is a matter of personal choice, but the facts speak for themselves...
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Thank you Mike.
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There is too much evidence pointing to the fact that prior to the displacement of Junes and Sheila's bodies from the bed, that Sheila had only been shot once....
Dr Craig
PI Miller
DC Clark
Ann Eaton
Julie Mugford
Ewen Smith was told by DR Craig that when he viewed Sheila's body and pronounced her as being dead at 8.44am, her body was on the bed, and she only had a solitary bullet wound in her neck, nothing could be any clearer, the police fired the second shot into her neck, and killed her...
Craig confirmed to Ewen Smith that police were responsible for shooting her by way of the second shot to the neck, and that it happened after he had performed his duties at the scene and left...
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It becomes obvious to me, that June shot and killed the two child victims, and that she fought with, and killed her husband, after battering him senseless with the butt of the rifle, before reloading the gun with additional bullets, then finishing him off with four hits to the top/back of his head. She then reloaded the gun intent on shooting Sheila dead, but in a twist of fate, Sheila somehow got the upper hand when June returned back upstairs, and Sheila shot June as she was standing near the left hand edge of the bed, causing June to fall onto the bed. Sheila shot June numerous more times, until there was only a solitary round inside the gun. She placed the rifle against the left side of the bedroom window at about 7.15am, then made her way downstairs to the kitchen...
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It becomes obvious to me, that June shot and killed the two child victims, and that she fought with, and killed her husband, after battering him senseless with the butt of the rifle, before reloading the gun with additional bullets, then finishing him off with four hits to the top/back of his head. She then reloaded the gun intent on shooting Sheila dead, but in a twist of fate, Sheila somehow got the upper hand when June returned back upstairs, and Sheila shot June as she was standing near the left hand edge of the bed, causing June to fall onto the bed. Sheila shot June numerous more times, until there was only a solitary round inside the gun. She placed the rifle against the left side of the bedroom window at about 7.15am, then made her way downstairs to the kitchen...
It was shortly after Sheila placed the rifle against the bedroom window, that one of the armed poluce ifficers who were carrying out observation and containment duties at the scene, noticed the sudden appearance of the rifle at the bedroom window, which triggered the raid on the opposite side of the farmhouse...
By this stage, there had been two shooters, June and Sheila - Sheila did not have to handle any of the additional bullets that were used to kill four of the victims...
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So basically you are now saying that:
June Bamber is a murderer.
Sheila Caffell is a murderer.
A member of Essex Police is a murderer.
Are you for real?!
More importantly, do you have any actual genuine evidence that fits this thesis?
Sadly, saying "it becomes obvious to me" falls well short of the evidential threshold.
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i think mikes just trying to discuss all possbilitys.
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The same could be said for the thousands of people who have damned Jeremy from here to Kingdom come,,because if it so happens that he is found innocent,,and by all accounts,because of the fact that Jeremy himself hasn't given up the fight,,and because of one or two things that have come to light,,there is every chance that he will indeed be found an innocent victim in all this too.
Ever since certain aspects of the case have been made public re.the press,,as well as the various links/forums,the public have been able to look at another side instead of erring on the side of caution and going for guilt,,along with the majority just because they " said so ".
It does no harm to keep your options open,,as yes,at first,Jeremy mentioned that his sister was a paranoid schizophrenic,,and is still of the belief that she sadly gunned down the family.I've said so myself,,but after over 2 years studying the whys and wherefores of the implications of those suffering mental health problems in this particular family it does beg the question that there were two " volatile ",but mentally fragile women in the farmhouse that night,,one of which was never keen on visiting and who had issues in which to solve.
Jeremy would never suspect his mother and would probably defy anyone who even hinted at her being partly responsible,,but we have to look at it from all angles,,and given Junes' previous diagnosis of her having a " religious psychosis " it's not beyond the bounds of impossibility that things did spill over,especially if Sheila had been the instigator of the discussion that went on that night. I should imagine that some pretty hurtful things were being said.
Because I'm of the mind that Jeremy took no part in this,,it would have only been natural to have blamed his sister,,as he had no clue as to who else would have carried out such a crime. When you're innocent,,you do think on those lines,,and that to your knowledge,,the family didn't have any enemies,etc. Jeremy wasn't just blaming his sister to " get himself off the hook ",,he genuinely had no idea who else would have been to blame.
So far as I can see,all along he's been upfront with everyone,even the police. What more can he do or say ?
Heads should roll after this for failing to understand that mental health in some cases DOES end in disaster,,so a lot of red faces when he,at last, is proven to have been innocent.
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find the june and shiela scenrio a tad far fetched ok its not impossble but highly unlikely.
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Nugs,,I don't altogether blame Sheila,,but looking at the bodies of the adults,,June is absolutely peppered with gunshot. You can feel the loathing just by looking at Junes poor body.
What a way for anyones' life to end.
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well i mean i find it hard to belive they both did it i mean hat are the chances of that happening.
2 people going mad with weapons in the same house at the same time.
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Not impossible nugs. Self defence and all that. If one happened to grab hold of a firearm,,the other would follow suit,,more as a threat than to fire it in anger.
Why weren't those " grab marks " ever scrutinised on both the arms of June and Neville ?
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It becomes obvious to me, that June shot and killed the two child victims, and that she fought with, and killed her husband, . . .
After persuading him to call Jeremy and put the blame on Sheila?
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Not impossible nugs. Self defence and all that. If one happened to grab hold of a firearm,,the other would follow suit,,more as a threat than to fire it in anger.
Why weren't those " grab marks " ever scrutinised on both the arms of June and Neville ?
no its not impossible but ive never heard of 2 people having complete mental break downs at the same time in the same place.
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no its not impossible but ive never heard of 2 people having complete mental break downs at the same time in the same place.
Nugs,,it wasn't a case of two people both having " mental breakdowns " at the same time. It would only have taken the one,Sheila,who we knew to have been pretty ill latterly,,to have sparked off a chain reaction,causing her mother to argue back with her,,June herself having also been ill and I guess wouldn't have been in any frame of mind to listen to Sheilas' rants. Each one would have then been relying on the support of Neville who'd have been in the middle of it all poor chap. My reckoning is that he was trying his best and that's probably when he rang Jeremy.
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Nugs,,it wasn't a case of two people both having " mental breakdowns " at the same time. It would only have taken the one,Sheila,who we knew to have been pretty ill latterly,,to have sparked off a chain reaction,causing her mother to argue back with her,,June herself having also been ill and I guess wouldn't have been in any frame of mind to listen to Sheilas' rants. Each one would have then been relying on the support of Neville who'd have been in the middle of it all poor chap. My reckoning is that he was trying his best and that's probably when he rang Jeremy.
June had a breakdown why? It doesn't just happen out of the blue from nothing.
Sheila had a breakdown why? It doesn't jsut happen out of the blue for nothing.
over 99% of cases of suicide, murder or murder-suicide by Schizophrenics is when they are drunk, high on drugs, stopped taking their medication or were not diagnosed yet and never under treatment.
Cases of Schizophrenics killing while on their medication is exceedingly rare and those cases usually involve killing not because of the illness so much as some other reason like heat of passion (a non-ill person in their place might have done the same thing).
So the odds are already against either breaking down and resorting to murder individually, the odds of them having breakdowns at the same time where they both are murderous even more remote.
The chance of them getting up out of bed and doing this in the middle of the night makes it even more remote if they were going to fight it would have been earlier.
If they were fighting why would Nevill call Jeremy? Jeremy had a poor relationship with both June and Sheila so how could he be a mediator? this is one of the things Colin broaches in his supplemental statement to police. She had such a poor relationship with Jeremy that she didn't like the idea of Jeremy driving her home from Collin's party- Colin is the one who selected Jeremy for the task.
If there is an explosive situation who would call someone to bring a lighted match?
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June was not shot whilst sleeping in bed, otherwise there would have been fibres from the quilt and her nightdress on the buullets and similar fibers carried into the wounds she sustained. Prosecution claims that June was sleeping in her bed when she got shot is a red herring introduced by the prosecution so that they could turn the trial into a two horse race, instead of it being a three horse race (in reality), or a four horse race if Jeremy was added into the equation...
June
Sheila
Police
Jeremy
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June was not shot wholst sleepinf in bed * othrrwise tjere would habee fibres from the quilt and her mightdress on the nillets. and similat fibers carried into zhe wounds dhe dustained. Prosecution claims that June was sleeping in her bed when she got shot is a red herring introduce by the prosecution so that they could turn the trial into a two horde race, instad of it being a three horse race (in realitty), or a four horse race if Jeremy was afded into the equation...
June
Sheila
Police
Jeremy
Several bullets that exited her body were in the bed. She bled in the bed as well, clearly she had been in bed while a number of the shots were fired.
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June had a breakdown why? It doesn't just happen out of the blue from nothing.
Sheila had a breakdown why? It doesn't jsut happen out of the blue for nothing.
over 99% of cases of suicide, murder or murder-suicide by Schizophrenics is when they are drunk, high on drugs, stopped taking their medication or were not diagnosed yet and never under treatment.
Cases of Schizophrenics killing while on their medication is exceedingly rare and those cases usually involve killing not because of the illness so much as some other reason like heat of passion (a non-ill person in their place might have done the same thing).
So the odds are already against either breaking down and resorting to murder individually, the odds of them having breakdowns at the same time where they both are murderous even more remote.
The chance of them getting up out of bed and doing this in the middle of the night makes it even more remote if they were going to fight it would have been earlier.
If they were fighting why would Nevill call Jeremy? Jeremy had a poor relationship with both June and Sheila so how could he be a mediator? this is one of the things Colin broaches in his supplemental statement to police. She had such a poor relationship with Jeremy that she didn't like the idea of Jeremy driving her home from Collin's party- Colin is the one who selected Jeremy for the task.
If there is an explosive situation who would call someone to bring a lighted match?
I'm not saying you're wrong................exactly!!!!! but shall we look at this from a different perspective? A POSSIBLE reason that she didn't want Jeremy to take her home from the party was that she wanted to get Colin away from his girlfriend. Colin, on the other hand MAY have sen what was coming, ie the suggestion that they reconcile, and decided that he didn't WANT to leave his girlfriend so he told his ex that he'd had too much to drink and asked Jeremy AND Julie to take her home, MAYBE because he was the only other person there who she knew.
It has been suggested that at the time June WAS on medication for depression but I can't verify it. There's no point in going over the Haloperidol thing again as we'll never agree. You give endless facts and stats and having spent, what felt like AEONS on them, I know just how well they can be made to fit. All I will say is, given that Sheila HAD left the hospital early to avoid Christine Jay seeing her in psychiatric care, given that Dr F WAS concerned enough about her to suggest she was visited by psych nurses, which didn't happen, given that NOBODY from Mental Health had ANY contact with her when she had to have been under the greatest psychological strain she'd EVER experienced, whilst I won't say categorically that she experienced breakdown, given her past history, I feel it's more likely that she did, than didn't.
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Several bullets that exited her body were in the bed. She bled in the bed as well, clearly she had been in bed while a number of the shots were fired.
You cannot possibly know that she was in the bed, as opposed to being on the bed when she got shot...
Two rounds were eventually recoved from one of the pillows, but there is absolutely no evidence that this proves she had been shot whilst sleeping in bed, as opposed to falling onto the bed, and then being shot...
Presence of her blood on the bed, does not prove she was shot whilst a sleep..
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June had a breakdown why? It doesn't just happen out of the blue from nothing.
Sheila had a breakdown why? It doesn't jsut happen out of the blue for nothing.
over 99% of cases of suicide, murder or murder-suicide by Schizophrenics is when they are drunk, high on drugs, stopped taking their medication or were not diagnosed yet and never under treatment.
Cases of Schizophrenics killing while on their medication is exceedingly rare and those cases usually involve killing not because of the illness so much as some other reason like heat of passion (a non-ill person in their place might have done the same thing).
So the odds are already against either breaking down and resorting to murder individually, the odds of them having breakdowns at the same time where they both are murderous even more remote.
The chance of them getting up out of bed and doing this in the middle of the night makes it even more remote if they were going to fight it would have been earlier.
If they were fighting why would Nevill call Jeremy? Jeremy had a poor relationship with both June and Sheila so how could he be a mediator? this is one of the things Colin broaches in his supplemental statement to police. She had such a poor relationship with Jeremy that she didn't like the idea of Jeremy driving her home from Collin's party- Colin is the one who selected Jeremy for the task.
If there is an explosive situation who would call someone to bring a lighted match?
Mental illness isn't something that's planned,,nor is it possible to predict what a patient will do when put under pressure.
Yes,,both women had breakdowns.Both of which you should by now have read about in order to form your own judgement about the two women.
Sheila HAD more or less stopped taking the medication which was prescribed,,save for the remains of a reduced level of the anti-psychotic intra-muscular drug,,which would have been so reduced at that stage,to have made no difference at all to her mental state,apart from reverting her illness back to a stage of violence before she'd began the course.
Neither women were good sleepers. Schizophrenics hardly sleep at night,,and June used to be treated for her nighmares if and when she slept because she too was a poor sleeper.
Neville would have called Jeremy,because this time during one of Sheilas " episodes " she'd happened to have a gun. So appropriately enough,,Neville called for help to Jeremy first,thinking that between the two of them,they'd avoid a fate worse than death,,sadly it wasn't to be. Neville would have avoided ringing the police in case it inflamed the situation even more if Sheila had seen them.
Jeremy had offered to take Sheila home from the party,because Colin was too drunk. It had nothing to do with the fact that he took her home under sufferance. Much as you and others would like to think on those lines. It helps with your own agendas.
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i dont think think the problem was not taking it was the medication she was taking.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=869.0
wich can couse murders.
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According to Cyclops reviewers, it can be proven categorically that June had not been shot in bed, but that she was shot initially whilst standing upright close to the bed, and that as a result of being shot she fell back on the bed and was shot repeatedly...
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You cannot possibly know thAt she was in the bed, ss opposed to being on the bed when she got shot...
Two rounds were eventually recoves from one of the pillows, but there is absolutely no evidence that this proves she had been shot whilst sleeping in bed as opposed to falling onto the bed and then being shot...
Presence of her blood on the bed, does not prove she was shot whilst a sleep..
I'm not seeing a distinction between being in bed and on the bed or even being asleep as opposed to not falling asleep yet or waking up and then being shot.
Why would she let Sheila live after killing everyone else and worse get on the bed and allow Sheila access to the gun?
You are looking at the evidence and trying to make up scenarios that the physical evidence can't definitively rule out as opposed to being guided by the evidence.
You first said in another thread that June wasn't tested for GSR and blood of other victims so this means she could theoretically have been involved.
Now you say she was but have no evidence of that you still just have the same lack of evidence to prove for sure she didn't fire a gun. By the same token though you lack any physical evidence she did fire a gun.
It is bad enough you have no evidence but the scenario makes no sense. A scenario has to make sense to be even slightly plausible.
June killing anyone make no sense but especially not to kill just the boys and Nevill and then sit in bed and present Sheila with the opportunity to then kill her.
On rare occasion implausible things are proved to have occurred but they were proved and we know they occurred because of strong proof it happened and that certainly is lacking here. The lack of testing June for GSR and foreign blood doesn't amount to evidence the implausible happened.
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Yes, it is now my case that police did swab June Bambers hands (DRH/33), bur that upon being received at the lab' on 9th August in the same packaging as another firearm said not to have been.used in this case, the hand swabs in question were never examined or analysed. So there is your answer to that part of your scenario, Junes hand swabs were taken, but rejected at the lab' because of possible contamination, because the police sent Junes hand swabs to the lab' in the same evidence bag as the BSA air rifle...
Furthermore, I can change my mind about the evidence or lack of it whenever I want to, this is a forum where the purpose is to debate matters, with this in mind why should I be restricted to only one view, when I might have got many? I am not giving evidence in a court of law, and I certainly do not need the expertise of a police officer to paraphase the content of a witness statement they might require from me - you might never kmow when a senior officer might tamper so called legally, with its contents. I can think for myself, I can speak for myself, I can write for myself, but sometimes my spelling is appalling...
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Yes, it is now my case that police did swab June Bambers hands (DRH/33), bur that upon being received at the lab' on 9th August in the same packaging as another firearm said not to have been.used in thus case, the hand swabs in question were never examined or analysed. So there is your answer to that part of your scenario, Junes hand swabs were taken, but rejected at the lab' because of possible contamination because the police sent Junes hand swabs to the lab' in the save evidence bag as the BSA air rifle...
Furthermore, I can change my mind about the evidence or lack of it whenever I want to, this is a forum where the purpose is to debate matters, with this in mind why shoild i be restricted to only one view, when I might have got many? I am not giving evidence in a court of law, and I certainly do not need the experzise of ap...oolice officer to paraphasethe contents of a witness statement they might require from me - you might never kmow when a senior officer mihht tamper so called legally with its contents. I can tjink for myself, I can speak for myself, I can write for myself, but sometimes my spelling is appalling...
You have the right to make an claims you like. But they are going to be challenged unless they make sense and have evidentiary support. Questions about why June would do the things alleged are natural and have to be expected.
If you want to believe it that's your preogative but the scenario is implausible and there is no evidence at all to back it up.
Where we stand is you saying it is not impossible and you choose to believe it happened and apparently a couple of people being the same with most others saying it is implausible and will not believe it unless evidence is put forth to establish it happened. This is the stalemate we find outselves in.
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Reviewers have identified the evidence which places June out of the bed, her being shot out of the bed and as a result of being shot out of bed, how she fell onto the bed where she received other bullet wound injuries. Evidence does exist to prove that June was initially shot out of bed and that she fell onto the bed, and there was obviously something of an altercation on the bed after June had fallen upon the bed, resulting in June being shot on the bed, including the shot between the eyes. June was on the bed, thats where DC Clarke saw her laying alongside Sheila before he left the scene to go with Jeremy back to his cottage to take a witness statement from him. Clarke told Ann Eaton within hours of having seen Junes and Sheila's bodies on the bed, that their bodies had been discovered on the bed with a rifle between the bodies on the bed, and a bible on Sheila's chest...
You cannot say there is no evidence to prove this because DC Clark attended the scene and saw the two bodies on the bed, and the first chance he got to tell anyone about anything he had seen, was when he spoke to Ann Eaton that same morning whilst the evidence of June and Sheila being in the bed together, was still very fresh in his memory - so that is real evidence to show that police must have, and did move and disturb two bodies on the bed, and move them off the bed, one either side of the bed, and it was the police and no-one else who stage managed the scene in the bedroom in time for PC Bird to photograph it, with a view to presenting these photographs as proof of how the bodies of June and Sheila had been found upon entry to the farmhouse, when it was not...
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The only blood found on the bedroom carpet, was blood which originated from June Bamber...
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I do not believe that June Bamber got shot five times whilst sleeping in bed, and then got out of bed to wander around the bedroom, I think her blood got all over the bedroom carpet as a result of her being shot on the bed and trying to dodge the bullets...
By the time the fifth bullet struck her body she had collapsed into unconsciouness back on the bed, then Sheila simply finished her off with an additional two bullets...
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Reviewers have identified the evidence which places June out of the bed, her being shot out of the bed and as a result of being shot out of bed, how she fell onto the bed where she received other bullet wound injuries. Evidence does exist to prove that June was initially shot out of bed and that she fell onto the bed, and there was obviously something of an altercation on the bed after June had fallen upon the bed, resulting in June being shot on the bed, including the shot between the eyes. June was on the bed, thats where DC Clarke saw her laying alongside Sheila before he left the scene to go with Jeremy back to his cottage to take a witness statement from him. Clarke told Ann Eaton within hours of having seen Junes and Sheila's bodies on the bed, that their bodies had been discovered on the bed with a rifle between the bodies on the bed, and a bible on Sheila's chest...
You cannot say there is no evidence to prove this because DC Clark attended the scene and saw the two bodies on the bed, and the first chance he got to tell anyone about anything he had seen, was when he spoke to Ann Eaton that same morning whilst the evidence of June and Sheila being in the bed together, was still very fresh in his memory - so that is real evidence to show that police must have, and did move and disturb two bodies on the bed, and move them off the bed, one either side of the bed, and it was the police and no-one else who stage managed the scene in the bedroom in time for PC Bird to photograph it, with a view to presenting these photographs as proof of how the bodies of June and Sheila had been found upon entry to the farmhouse, when it was not...
Ann Eaton claimed in 1991 that someone told her June and Sheila were in bed, and that she thinks it was Clarke but wasn't sure. The police though all say their bodies were found on the floor.
Eaton could have misunderstood or could have been told by someone not there but there is no evidence to suggest it is true even if someone told it to her.
The evidence is the complete opposite that she was shot in bed then got up.
Once again why woudl she shoot them in the middle of the night of all times? Why would she shoot everyone but Sheila then let Sheila get the gun to shoot her?
It still makes no sense and whether she was shot in bed or standing doesn't increase the chance of her shooting anyone. You have no evidence she shot anyone you just claim there is no evidence to prove for sure she didn't.
The stalemate I described earlier would not change even if it could be shown June had been standing when she was shot.
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June Bamber shot the child victims, and then fought overpowered and killed her husband, downstairs...
If Sheila had been wearing the nightdress worn by June, everyone would have been convinced of Sheila's culpability - Sheila was one of the shooters, June was the other, Sheila had no need to load any additional rounds into the gun that were used in the shootings, June was responsible for completing that duty...
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The three adults were all found in the most awkward of positions,,especially the two women,,and it doesn't sit right with me as far as I'm concerned.
Sheilas' head was too near the bedside table,,and June looked as though she may have been in a sitting position on the floor with the door as a support. These are what I imagine in my mind.I don't expect anyone to think the same.
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June Bamber shot the child victims, and then fought overpowered and killed her husband, downstairs...
If Sheila had been wearing the nightdress worn by June, everyone would have been convinced of Sheila's culpability - Sheila was one of the shooters, June was the other, Sheila had no need to load any additional rounds into the gun that were used in the shootings, June was responsible for completing that duty...
June did not lay down on the bed and allow Sheila to take control of the gun and shoot her...
June used a crocheted cloth mat to carry additional rounds upstairs to the bedroom where June proceeded to load up the gun with the last bullets. Once she had loaded up the gun, she was confronted by Sheila who took possession of the gun with 8 rounds loaded into it. SHEILA then shot June, who fell back onto the bed, Sheila kept on firing bullet after bullet whilst a wounded June Bamber attempt to avoid the aim of the rifle in Sheila's possession. Once Sheila had killed off June, she made her way over to the window, and rested the rifle against the left hand jamb - soon to be visible to the eagle eyed WPC Julia Jeapes, who duly passed a radio message to that fact...
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Perhaps Crispy did it?? He was the only one left alive at the end of it all! ;D ;D
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Hi Caroline
stop copying Adams posts he always blames poor Crispy ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hi Caroline
stop copying Adams posts he always blames poor Crispy ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Think about it Susan, the barks heard over the telephone, his hiding under the bed. Doesn't fool me! If they tested that hair on the silencer, I reckon it would have belonged to guess who? ;)
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Think about it Susan, the barks heard over the telephone, his hiding under the bed. Doesn't fool me! If they tested that hair on the silencer, I reckon it would have belonged to guess who? ;)
And the fact that he was hiding under the bed PROVES his guilt ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Caroline/April
Adam will be so pleased we have finally agreed one of his posts ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Was Crispy ever paw-printed? Didn´t think so! One of many things that makes you go, hmmmmm. 8)
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Was Crispy ever paw-printed? Didn´t think so! One of many things that makes you go, hmmmmm. 8)
It does indeed, Alias ;D ;D ;D
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Alias good point never thought of that maybe they are on file ;D ;D ;D ;D Adam will know ;D
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Was Crispy ever paw-printed? Didn´t think so! One of many things that makes you go, hmmmmm. 8)
They're probably held under PII :o