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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: mike tesko on January 11, 2014, 09:36:PM
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How was it possible, for three major attendees at the crime scene, to all refer to the position of Sheila's body, as being situated on the far side of the bed, when they first saw it?
(1) - PI 'Bob' Miller
(2) - Police surgeon, Dr Craig
(3) - DCI 'Taff' Jones...
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How was it possible, for three major attendees at the crime scene, to all refer to the position of Sheila's body, as being situated on the far side of the bed, when they first saw it?
(1) - PI 'Bob' Miller
(2) - Police surgeon, Dr Craig
(3) - DCI 'Taff' Jones...
Ann Eaton, was told by a police officer who had attended the crime scene on that first morning, that Sheila's body had been found upon the bed...
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Relevant entry's from DCI 'Taff' Jones, Pocketbook:-
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How strange, that the head of the first investigation (when the case was being treated as one of four murders and a suicide), DCI 'Taff' Jones, reports seeing Sheila's body on the far side of the bed...
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"On the far side of the bed" can also mean on the floor. Don´t get mad at me! :'(
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How strange, that the head of the first investigation (when the case was being treated as one of four murders and a suicide), DCI 'Taff' Jones, reports seeing Sheila's body on the far side of the bed...
The police surgeon, Dr Craig, saw Sheila's body on the far side of the bed, when he visited the main bedroom, and he pronounced Sheila as being dead, at 8;44am. DCI Jones, arrived at the scene at about 9;10am, and he reports seeing Sheila's body on the bed, some 25 minutes or so, after Craig had reportedly seen her body on the far side of the bed...
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"On the far side of the bed" can also mean on the floor. Don´t get mad at me! :'(
Hi Alias,
In the police logs, it is reported at 7;38am that "the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female had been found upon entry to the kitchen". At 7;41am, a message was past for the "police surgeon, and coroners officer, to be contacted regarding two dead bodies". At just before 7;45am, a civilian employee who was working in the control room (Linda), contacted DS Davidson (SOC) at his home, and informed him that police at whf were dealing with a murder, and a suicide". By 8;10am, police inside the premises reported that a total of five dead persons had now been found, and that in addition to the two bodies already found downstairs, that a further three bodies had been found upstairs". Of course, no one could argue that these messages had not been passed, or even that it could possibly mean that the female body referred to, as found in the kitchen upon entry to the premises by the raid team, was that such a female might have been found on the bedroom floor. I believe that there can be no mistake either, in PI 'Bob' Miller, Dr Craig, or DCI Jones accounts, where they clearly report seeing Sheila's body on the far side of the bed...
If Sheila's body had been on the bedroom floor, when viewed by Miller, Craig, or Jones, it would have been the easiest thing in the world for any of them to simply say, "A female body, on the bedroom floor - but it doesn't...
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Hi Alias,
In the police logs, it is reported at 7;38am that "the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female had been found upon entry to the kitchen". At 7;41am, a message was past for the "police surgeon, and coroners officer, to be contacted regarding two dead bodies". At just before 7;45am, a civilian employee who was working in the control room (Linda), contacted DS Davidson (SOC) at his home, and informed him that police at whf were dealing with a murder, and a suicide". By 8;10am, police inside the premises reported that a total of five dead persons had now been found, and that in addition to the two bodies already found downstairs, that a further three bodies had been found upstairs". Of course, no one could argue that these messages had not been passed, or even that it could possibly mean that the female body referred to, as found in the kitchen upon entry to the premises by the raid team, was that such a female might have been found on the bedroom floor. I believe that there can be no mistake either, in PI 'Bob' Miller, Dr Craig, or DCI Jones accounts, where they clearly report seeing Sheila's body on the far side of the bed...
If Sheila's body had been on the bedroom floor, when viewed by Miller, Craig, or Jones, it would have been the easiest thing in the world for any of them to simply say, "A female body, on the bedroom floor - but it doesn't...
In addition, the police officer who told Ann Eaton that Sheila's body had been found on top of the bed, with a bible on her chest, had arrived at the scene with DCI Jones (DS 'Stan' Jones) much later than them, so if PI 'Bob' Miller and Dr Craigs account (8;44am) about Sheila's body being on the far side of the bed, really meant that her body was on the bedroom floor, how does this explain, how by the time DS 'Stan' Jones visits the main bedroom, that Sheila's body was now on top of the bed with a bible on her chest? The key to interpreting what was meant by all these persons saying they had seen Sheila's body on the far side of the bed, is to read between the lines, and ask yourself where Sheila's body had been when DS 'Stan' Jones viewed it?
On the bed, not on the floor...
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By reference to the time line of reported events, Sheila's body had been reportedly found upon the bed, rather than on the floor...
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Julie Mugford also reported that police had told her and Jeremy that Sheila's body had been found upon the bed, rather than the floor...
Surely, Miller, Craig, DCI Jones, DS Jones, Ann Eaton, Julie Mugford, could not all have got the facts wrong where Sheila's body had been found, on bed, or on floor?
Why do they all say Sheila's body was found on the floor...
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I think he mentions in his notebook that he first saw a female with severe head injuries in the entrance of the door? With that in mind he also says that another female was seen on the far side of the bed. Now to me that sounds as if he is describing the scene that we already know from the official photographs? If it was to be consistent with Ann Eaton's notes it would have surely mentioned that the first woman was on the bed and not in the door entrance?
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And if it was the floor,it would have said the floor and not the bed.
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I think he mentions in his notebook that he first saw a female with severe head injuries in the entrance of the door? With that in mind he also says that another female was seen on the far side of the bed. Now to me that sounds as if he is describing the scene that we already know from the official photographs? If it was to be consistent with Ann Eaton's notes it would have surely mentioned that the first woman was on the bed and not in the door entrance?
Hi Grahame,
By the time 'Bob' Miller, Dr Craig, DCI 'Taff' Jones, and DS 'Stan' Jones, arrived in the bedroom, Lets for arguments sake, say it was between 8;44am and 9;15am, by this stage, there was only one body downstairs, and four more bodies upstairs, so two bodies in the main bedroom, both female bodies. One female near to the bedroom doorway, and the other on the far side of the bed...
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Hi Grahame,
By the time 'Bob' Miller, Dr Craig, DCI 'Taff' Jones, and DS 'Stan' Jones, arrived in the bedroom, Lets for arguments sake, say it was between 8;44am and 9;15am, by this stage, there was only one body downstairs, and four more bodies upstairs, so two bodies in the main bedroom, both female bodies. One female near to the bedroom doorway, and the other on the far side of the bed...
DS 'Stan' Jones, leaves the scene having viewed Sheila's body on the bed, goes to Jeremy's cottage, at 9 Head Street, Goldhanger, and tells all those that were present (Jeremy, Julie, Ann, David and Anthony) that Sheila was found on the bed, and that she had a bible on her chest...
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DS 'Stan' Jones, leaves the scene having viewed Sheila's body on the bed, goes to Jeremy's cottage, at 9 Head Street, Goldhanger, and tells all those that were present (Jeremy, Julie, Ann, David and Anthony) that Sheila was found on the bed, and that she had a bible on her chest...
Yes the Bible on chest seems to be a special emphasis. She must have been told that. But the "official" photos show the Bible beside Sheila on the floor.
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Yes the Bible on chest seems to be a special emphasis. She must have been told that. But the "official" photos show the Bible beside Sheila on the floor.
Hi Grahame,
It's all down to timing...
When police go into the premises, the bodies of the five victims, are found distributed, as follows, by 7:38am, two bodies found in kitchen upon entry, one dead male, one dead female, 7;45am, police at whf are dealing with a murder and a suicide. By 8;10am, the other three bodies found upstairs - then something goes wrong with the police operation, until by about 8;44am when Miller and Craig visit the bedroom, reporting that there is the body of a dead female on the floor near the door of the bedroom, and then that there was another dead female on the far side of the bed...
The second group of training officers arrive and enter the scene at around 9am, to carry out familiars...
Along comes, DCI 'Taff' Jones, and DS 'Stan' Jones, who visit the bedroom scene, and DCI 'Jones refers in his pocketbook to seeing Sheila's body on the far side of the bed, whereas, DS 'Stan' Jones reports to Ann Eaton, Jeremy and Julie Mugford that Sheila had been found on the bed, with a bible resting on top of her chest (if we say that DS Jones saw Sheila's body on the bed by 9:15am), there is then a 45 minute period, before PC 'David' Bird, starts to take the so called official crime scene photographs, which shows Sheila's body on the bedroom floor...
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If, the correct interpretation of the words, "Sheila's body was on the far side of the bed", actually means, her body was on the floor, how do you explain DS 'Stan' Jones account to Ann Eaton, and the others, when he told them that "Sheila's body had been found upon the bed, with a bible on her chest"...
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If, the correct interpretation of the words, "Sheila's body was on the far side of the bed", actually means, her body was on the floor, how do you explain DS 'Stan' Jones account to Ann Eaton, and the others, when he told them that "Sheila's body had been found upon the bed, with a bible on her chest"...
Since, there is no way on gods green earth, that anyone could interpret what Jones told Ann Eaton and the others that morning, that "Sheila's body was on the bed, with a bible on her chest", could be a reference to "Sheila's body being on the floor"...
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DS 'Stan' Jones, was in "a bit of a pickle" regarding where he had seen Sheila's body that morning (on the bed, with a bible on top of her chest), so it comes as no surprise to me, that he got Julie Mugford to try and get himself and the police out of the mire, by her introducing the story that Jeremy had later told her that "Mathew (the hit man) had got Sheila to lie down on the bed and to shoot herself". If this was the source from which the claim that Sheila's body had been found upon the bed, then how did Jones know on the morning of 7th August 1985, to inform Ann Eaton and the others, that "Sheila's body had been found on the bed, with a bible on top of her chest", since it was not until a month later that Mugford comes out with her story?
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DS 'Stan' Jones, was in "a bit of a pickle" regarding where he had seen Sheila's body that morning (on the bed, with a bible on top of her chest), so it comes as no surprise to me, that he got Julie Mugford to try and get himself and the police out of the mire, by her introducing the story that Jeremy had later told her that "Mathew (the hit man) had got Sheila to lie down on the bed and to shoot herself". If this was the source from which the claim that Sheila's body had been found upon the bed, then how did Jones know on the morning of 7th August 1985, to inform Ann Eaton and the others, that "Sheila's body had been found on the bed, with a bible on top of her chest", since it was not until a month later that Mugford comes out with her story?
Of course, during my visit to see Ewen Smith at his offices in Birmingham, I saw the photograph of Sheila on the bed, took possession of it, and sent it to Jeremy in a letter marked (RULE 37A, etc) after speaking to him about it during a booked telephone call between Jeremy and myself on the same evening of my visit to Ewens office...
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The letter in question, was intercepted by prison security and confiscated by the Governor, Mr Staples, because of the claim that there had been some sort of abuse with "misuse" of the RULE 37A privilege...
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The letter in question, was intercepted by prison security and confiscated by the Governor, Mr Staples, because of the claim that there had been some sort of abuse with "misuse" of the RULE 37A privilege...
Jeremy had been notified that my letter and its contents had been intercepted and confiscated by prison security, and that he would not be permitted to see its contents...
This caused problems between Jeremy and Giovanni De Stefano who was representing Jeremy at that time - the prison imposed a temporary ban on Jeremy and Giovanni from corresponding using the RULE 37A privilege, and in order to resolve this matter, I wrote a letter to the governor, Mr Staples, at HMP Full Sutton, explaining my reasons for submitting the letter to Jeremy on that occasion, pointing out that it had not been sent with the intention of abusing the RULE 37A privilege at all, as I was registered as Jeremy's McKensie man, and had previously corresponded with Jeremy by those same means, and no-one had informed me that I could no longer rely upon the same privilege...
Additionally, Jeremy asked me to send another letter by normal post into him, mentioning what I had been saying in the confiscated letter, which I duly did...
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Jeremy had been notified that my letter and its contents had been intercepted and confiscated by prison security, and that he would not be permitted to see its contents...
This caused problems between Jeremy and Giovanni De Stefano who was representing Jeremy at that time - the prison imposed a temporary ban on Jeremy and Giovanni from corresponding using the RULE 37A privilege, and in order to resolve this matter, I wrote a letter to the governor, Mr Staples, at HMP Full Sutton, explaining my reasons for submitting the letter to Jeremy on that occasion, pointing out that it had not been sent with the intention of abusing the RULE 37A privilege at all, as I was registered as Jeremy's McKensie man, and had previously corresponded with Jeremy by those same means, and no-one had informed me that I could no longer rely upon the same privilege...
Additionally, Jeremy asked me to send another letter by normal post into him, mentioning what I had been saying in the confiscated letter, which I duly did...
It should also be noted that on the evening of my visit to Ewens office, I had spoken to Jeremy on a prearranged phone call which Jeremy had booked. During that telephone call I told Jeremy that there existed a photograph of Sheila on the bed. These booked telephone calls were always recorded by prison security, and so the Home office not only had the photograph of Sheila on the bed which the Governor (Mr Staples) placed on Jeremy's prison file, but they also had an audio recording of what I told Jeremy about the existence of the photograph of Sheila on the bed. In addition, I had written again to Jeremy saying that there existed this photograph of Sheila on the bed - Jeremy had this letter, and others written by me to him making mention of the said photograph...
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It should also be mentioned that all the files in the possession of Ewen Smith had to be transferred to Giovanni's office in London, and that Ewen had been in contact with Giovanni to mention that I might be used to help get all the case files and photographic albums between Birmingham and London. But for me saying that I could not do it, I would have had temporary access to all the case files and photographs, which Jeremy was keen for me to do, since his main priority at this time was to get his hands on the photograph of Sheila on the bed, which he thought would be damning proof to prove that police must have stage managed Sheila's body on the bedroom floor, for which he had been blamed for doing...
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It should also be mentioned that all the files in the possession of Ewen Smith had to be transferred to Giovanni's office in London, and that Ewen had been in contact with Giovanni to mention that I might be used to help get all the case files and photographic albums between Birmingham and London. But for me saying that I could not do it, I would have had temporary access to all the case files and photographs, which Jeremy was keen for me to do, since his main priority at this time was to get his hands on the photograph of Sheila on the bed, which he thought would be damning proof to prove that police must have stage managed Sheila's body on the bedroom floor, for which he had been blamed for doing...
At this time, Jeremy was not aware that I had enclosed the photograph of Sheila on the bed in my RULE 37A correspondence, which the Governor at HMP Full Sutton had duly confiscated. One of the reasons I had refused to get involved in the transfer of information and material from Ewens office in Birmingham, to Giovanni's offices in London, was because I knew that the photograph of Sheila on the bed was not there, because I had removed it, and sent it in to Jeremy under the RULE 37A privilege, thinking it would not be intercepted or vetted by prison staff. In any event, I have letters written to me by Jeremy, and he has letters written by me to him, at around this time, all we talk about is the existence of this photograph of Sheila on the where bed, and arrangements we would need to make for me to get my hands upon it...
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An historical account of this correspondence between Jeremy and myself around this time, involving this matter, exists. There also exists Internet records where I am in contact with another close friend of Jeremy's (Lee), where I make mention of the existence of this photograph of Sheila's body on the bed, and arrangements being made for she and I to visit Giovanni's offices in London, with a view to obtaining any photographs of Sheila on the bed. Lee and Giovanni had met privately on a number of occasions, and I think on one of these occasions Giovanni had taken Lee out for a meal. In any event, I arranged to meet up with Lee in London, I think we met up at Charring Cross train station as a result of me traveling down to London from Barnsley, via Sheffield. After a coffee we went to Giovanni's office and were met by his son, Michael (who was at University taking a law degree)...
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An historical account of this correspondence between Jeremy and myself around this time, involving this matter, exists. There also exists Internet records where I am in contact with another close friend of Jeremy's (Lee), where I make mention of the existence of this photograph of Sheila's body on the bed, and arrangements being made for she and I to visit Giovanni's offices in London, with a view to obtaining any photographs of Sheila on the bed. Lee and Giovanni had met privately on a number of occasions, and I think on one of these occasions Giovanni had taken Lee out for a meal. In any event, I arranged to meet up with Lee in London, I think we met up at Charring Cross train station as a result of me traveling down to London from Barnsley, via Sheffield. After a coffee we went to Giovanni's office and were met by his son, Michael (who was at University taking a law degree)...
I believe that Giovanni was in the middle east representing the interests of Saddam Hussain at this time, or he may have been in Rome at his family residence there, but he was in contact with us through his son, Michael, over the phone whilst we were in his office in London, on that occasion...
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Soon after our arrival in London (Lee had travelled there from her home in Colchester), and once we got to Giovanni's office, Michael duly proceeded to produce a large number of photographs which Lee and myself began to examine, with a view to finding any photographs of Sheila's body on the bed. As we were going through these photographic albums, we selected a number of crime scene photographs which we asked Michael to photocopy for us to take away for research purposes? He proceeded to do this, but there came a time when the ink in the photocopying machine ran out, and so Lee and myself resorted to taking pictures of the photographs using cameras and mobile phones...
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Soon after our arrival in London (Lee had travelled there from her home in Colchester), and once we got to Giovanni's office, Michael duly proceeded to produce a large number of photographs which Lee and myself began to examine, with a view to finding any photographs of Sheila's body on the bed. As we were going through these photographic albums, we selected a number of crime scene photographs which we asked Michael to photocopy for us to take away for research purposes? He proceeded to do this, but there came a time when the ink in the photocopying machine ran out, and so Lee and myself resorted to taking pictures of the photographs using cameras and mobile phones...
I later contacted Lee by use of telephone and internet, requesting that she send me the images she had taken using camera or phone during our visit to Giovanni's office in London, and she sent me several images via attachments in email, images which I could not photograph myself, because the batteries in my equipment had ran flat...
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I later contacted Lee by use of telephone and internet, requesting that she send me the images she had taken using camera or phone during our visit to Giovanni's office in London, and she sent me several images via attachments in email, images which I could not photograph myself, because the batteries in my equipment had ran flat...
Some of the images sent to me by Lee, on these occasions, have been posted on this site, and elsewhere...
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what does the 9.45 entry say from the bit where he talked to relatives? can not read it all? something about the "facts" he explained to them?
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what does the 9.45 entry say from the bit where he talked to relatives? can not read it all? something about the "facts" he explained to them?
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Friday 9th August1985
8:30am coffin(?)
9:45am Witham on murder interviews with DS Jones and relatives clan friends of Bambers.-Anne Eaton who stated that neither Jeremy or Sheila knew very much about firearms and did not think Sheila was capable of carrying out these crimes.
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Friday 9th August1985
8:30am coffin(?)
9:45am Witham on murder interviews with DS Jones and relatives clan friends of Bambers.-Anne Eaton who stated that neither Jeremy or Sheila knew very much about firearms and did not think Sheila was capable of carrying out these crimes.
If it does say that I wonder where these "Jeremy is a crack shot" remarks come from?
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I don't need it bigger LOL - just could not read the writing . It says something about he explained some "facts" to them then they seemed happy with his explanation?
Just wondered what those "FACTS" were .
It does make you wish the notes and statements were more detailed :(
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I don't need it bigger LOL - just could not read the writing . It says something about he explained some "facts" to them then they seemed happy with his explanation?
Just wondered what those "FACTS" were .
It does make you wish the notes and statements were more detailed :(
Hi jansus,
the facts extracted from Jeremy on this occasion, relate to only 20 bullets missing from the box of 50' found on the kitchen worktop, police asked Jeremy where the other five bullets that were fired in the shootings had come from? Jeremy told police on that occasion, that there were already some bullets in the ammunition magazine before he had loaded the gun with additional rounds from the box being spoken of...
Police were satisfied with his explanation regarding this...
They also questioned Jeremy as to whether or not the silencer was fitted to the rifle when Jeremy last handled it on the evening prior to the shootings - Jeremy told police it was not fitted to gun on that occasion, he also told them that he did not know who had removed it, after police reminded him that the silencer had been fitted to the gun on the penultimate week-end when he was target shooting with Anthony Pargeter, behind the barn at whf...
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Hi jansus,
the facts extracted from Jeremy on this occasion, relate to only 20 bullets missing from the box of 50' found on the kitchen worktop, police asked Jeremy where the other five bullets that were fired in the shootings had come from? Jeremy told police on that occasion, that there were already some bullets in the ammunition magazine before he had loaded the gun with additional rounds from the box being spoken of...
Police were satisfied with his explanation regarding this...
They also questioned Jeremy as to whether or not the silencer was fitted to the rifle when Jeremy last handled it on the evening prior to the shootings - Jeremy told police it was not fitted to gun on that occasion, he also told them that he did not know who had removed it, after police reminded him that the silencer had been fitted to the gun on the penultimate week-end when he was target shooting with Anthony Pargeter, behind the barn at whf...
It appears the police got themselves into some sort of a pickle regarding the silencer taken into DS 'Stan' Jones possession (SBJ/1) from the scene on 7th August 1985, since DS Jones took possession of the wrong silencer at the scene on the first day of the police investigation - he took control of the Anthony Pargeter silencer, not the Bamber family owned one...
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This mix up, effected what relatives were telling police about the possible use of a silencer in the shootings, relatives believed the Bamber family owned silencer was the one police had possession of from an early stage, which had been used on the gun during the shootings, but it turned out to be the wrong silencer, a mistake that wasn't rectified until over a month and a half later (after, 11th September, 1985)...
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What came to light, during the first phase of the police investigation, was that all the relatives with the exception of Anthony Pargeter, and police (including DS 'Stan' Jones), was that there was normally only a solitary silencer kept at the scene, not two different identical ones...
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Lets get the now known facts right, on and by 9th August, 1985, DS 'Neil' Davidson, had fingerprinted this silencer (SBJ/1) with a view to establishing who's fingerprints had been present upon it, to try and show who might have been responsible for taking it off the Anshulz rifle barrel, and transferring it onto the barrell of Anthony Pargeters .22 Bruno bolt action, found in the downstairs toilet...
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Therefore, by the time David Boutflour, finds the second silencer in the office cupboard, on 10th August, 1985, police are already treating the other (SBJ/1) silencer as a key piece of evidence, even so far as to go to lengths to try and establish who had been responsible for removing it from the barrel of the Bamber family owned rifle...
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Therefore, by the time David Boutflour, finds the second silencer in the office cupboard, on 10th August, 1985, police are already treating the other (SBJ/1) silencer as a key piece of evidence, even so far as to go to lengths to try and establish who had been responsible for removing it from the barrel of the Bamber family owned rifle...
By fingerprinting it (SBJ/1), on 9th August 1985, one day before David Boutflour found the second silencer (DRB/1) in the downstairs office cupboard...
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Sheila's body was on bed, before police who took part in a training exercise, moved it to the bedroom floor, and stage managed her body to try and suggest that she had taken her own life, there...
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At least two different crime scene photographs were taken of Sheila's body laid out on the bed, before police moved her body to the floor...
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At least two different crime scene photographs were taken of Sheila's body laid out on the bed, before police moved her body to the floor...
illustrated images, only:-
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You would not describe the position of Ralph Bambers body, as shown in the crime scene photographs, as being located, "on the far side of the kitchen table", unless his body had been on the kitchen table - you would describe the position of his body, as being on the floor by the corner of the aga surround with his head in the coal bucket. Similarly, the fact that three chief prosecution witnesses, PI 'Bob' Miller, police surgeon, Dr craig, and DCI 'Taff' Jones, all describe Sheila's body to be on the far side of the bed, and that a fourth police officer (DS 'Stan' Jones) who attends the scene and views Sheila's body, before leaving and going along to Jeremy's cottage at Goldhanger, where he informs Ann Eaton and all those gathered there, that Sheila's body had been found on top of the bed, with a bible on her chest, it must surely mean that these other references made by Miller, Craig and Jones (DCI) to Sheila's body being on the far side of the bed, refers to her body being on top of the bed, or on the furthest part of the bed from their vantage point upon each of them entering the main bedroom through the bedroom door, and not upon the floor where police eventually photographed her obviously stage managed body, because from the vantage point of the doorway through which the three witnesses entered the bedroom, none of them would have been able to see where Sheila's body eventually ends up in time for PC Bird to photograph it there, from 10 O'clock, onwards...
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Why would DS 'Stan' Jones, tell Ann Eaton, and the others, after arriving at Jeremy's cottage directly from the scene, that Sheila's body had been found on top of the bed with a bible on her chest, if he had not seen her body on the bed before he left the scene to come to Jeremy's cottage? It doesn't make sense, for DS 'Stan' Jones to say that Sheila's body was found on the bed, with a bible on her chest, if her body had been found on the bedroom floor with a rifle on her chest, and a bible on the floor, alongside her body...
The other interesting thing is, that when DS Jones saw the body prior to leaving the scene and attending Jeremy's cottage, in order for him to inform everyone there, that Sheila was found on the bed, is that he did not see a rifle on her body at all, only a bible on her chest, but if the bible was on her chest by that stage, how could the rifle end up on top of Sheila's body as well, in time for PC Bird (SOC) to later photograph it there after DS Jones had left the scene, to go to Jeremy's?
Does this not tend to suggest that police had stage managed Sheila's body on the floor with the rifle on her body, after DS 'Stan' Jones, had left the scene to go along to Jeremy's cottage that morning - we know by the timing with which PC Bird started to take photographs in the main bedroom, that Sheila's body was on the bedroom floor by that stage, and it must be true that earlier when DS Jones viewed the body, that it was on the bed minus any weapon upon the body. So at some stage between DS Jones arriving at the scene and seeing Sheila's body on the bed with no gun at all upon it, only a bible on her chest, a police officer, or a number of police officers present inside the premises after Jones leaves the scene to go along to Jeremy's cottage, were responsible for moving Sheila's body from the bed, to the floor, responsible for taking the bible from her chest and placing it alongside her body on the bedroom floor, before positioning the rifle on her chest with the muzzle of the barrel in various positions against her throat, and arranging her hands and arms upon and around the gun on her body, with a view to presenting any photographs taken at this stage, as being representative of how the raid team had originally found Sheila's body on the very first occasion, which cannot be true considering that DS 'Stan' Jones told Ann Eaton and the others present at Jeremy's cottage, that Sheila's body had been on the bed with a bible on her chest when he arrived at the scene and viewed her body...
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So, it becomes obvious to a blind man, that these 'familiars' involved moving the bodies of the victims, and various key exhibits around - in particular, that part of these 'familiars' involved moving Sheila's body from the bed to the floor, taking the bible off her chest whilst her body was present upon the bed, and laying the bible on the floor next to her re-arranged body, and responsible for positioning the rifle on top of her body whilst her body was on the floor, so that the barrel of the rifle ended up in the region of Sheila's neck, and that police arranged Sheila's hands and fingers upon, and around the gun, so that by 10 O'clock that same morning, PC Bird (SOC) could come along and start taking his famous crime scene photographs which apparently represent the original position that the raid team had found Sheila's body in...
Seems to me, that many police officers of varying rank who were present at the scene that morning, know full well that Jeremy Bamber could not have killed his sister, nor could he have stage managed her body on the bedroom floor, to fool police into thinking that she had taken her own life - this part of the police case / investigation is utter bollocks...
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I was also very interested to read the COLP investigation (1981/92) interview of DI 'Ron' Cook, in which he says that the only people present inside the farmhouse after SOC took control of the crime scene from 10 O'clock, onwards, were himself, Ds Davidson, DC Hammersley, and PC Bird. Well, for a start Cook is a liar , he will say anything to protect himself and others from being prosecuted. Later , in the same COLP interview , he alters his response , by adding "unless I invited them in"...
Cook has lied through his teeth, he knows full well that additional firearms officers entered the building at around 9 O'clock, and that these officers performed familiars inside various rooms at the farmhouse , and remained inside the premises moving bodies and other items of evidential value, until around 11.15am, that same morning...
He never invited this bunch of criminals into the crime scene at all, they were there before SOC took control of the crime scene at 10 O'clock, and remained in the farmhouse for two and a quarter hours carrying out a training exercise, until about 11.15am...
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PI 'Ivor' Montgomery, and PS Woodcock, were privy to the familiars that took place involving the disturbance of victims bodies, and other items of evidential value. These officers helped in the reconstruction of the raid by the second group of firearms officers, as part of a so called police training exercise. The net result of this training exercise was that bodies of adult victims, and items of evidentialvalue, ended up where they had not originally been at ground zero...
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illustrated images, only:-
Those images are eerie! The girl looks like Sheila on a surface that looks like something between a coffin and a bed.
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Those images are eerie! The girl looks like Sheila on a surface that looks like something between a coffin and a bed.