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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: maggie on January 03, 2014, 06:23:PM
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maggie, those memories sound SO powerful. I have a rather large lump in my throat :'(
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maggie, those memories sound SO powerful. I have a rather large lump in my throat :'(
I know April, how evocative.
Why would a perfectly sane young man who had such an upbringing coolly shoot his family dead? It doesn't make sense imo.
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April I am the same I read the story about his stay at the large house and I was left feeling so sad for Jeremy and what a terrible Injustice he has suffered lets hope 2014 will be Jeremy Bamber's year :-*
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Maggie we all know he did not shoot his family dead. Why would he his childhood was very loving and he wanted for nothing and he did love his family. :(
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Maggie we all know he did not shoot his family dead. Why would he his childhood was very loving and he wanted for nothing and he did love his family. :(
I agree Susan, his childhood did seem to be very secure. It must have been a bit traumatic for him to go to boarding school but many upper class children do as a matter of course. Many of them settle down and love it, some struggle very badly with it but they are the children who don't feel wanted by their families. I cannot see how Jeremy felt unwanted by his family.
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Maggie was he sent to Boarding school at 8 or 11. I know a boy who was sent away at 8 and it broke his heart but he soon adapted to it and think it made a stronger person of him in his adult life. I am sure it did Jeremy no harm at all.
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Maggie was he sent to Boarding school at 8 or 11. I know a boy who was sent away at 8 and it broke his heart but he soon adapted to it and think it made a stronger person of him in his adult life. I am sure it did Jeremy no harm at all.
I have a friend who didn't confess to his parents until he was 45 that he's HATED boarding school. They were both shocked and asked him why he's never said anything at the time. He said that they's been so tied up with his demanding sister and her refusal to settle into HER boarding school, that he's thought it best to keep his mouth shut!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Maggie was he sent to Boarding school at 8 or 11. I know a boy who was sent away at 8 and it broke his heart but he soon adapted to it and think it made a stronger person of him in his adult life. I am sure it did Jeremy no harm at all.
Think he was sent away at 8 Susan, really don't think it would drive a stable young man to shoot his family when he was 24. Jeremy seemed to do alright within the family, didn't seem to lack anything much imo.
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Maggie sending Jeremy to Boarding school would have made him more independent and able to fend for himself would not have any negative effect on him at all this is just another myth put out by some.
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April some children adapt more easily to Boarding school than others but they all come through it some children hated school full stop but had to put up with it. :'(
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Bitter sweet. At least Jeremy has some good memories from way back.
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Alias When I read about his childhood and visiting his Gran I thought the same he had so many happy memories of his childhood and who would have thought such an innocent little boy would have ended up in the situation he did through no fault of his own I had very mixed emotions of sadness and happiness after reading his story.
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Susan, I hope that Jeremy will get to make some new memories very soon, and not only about prison!!
People keep saying in a sarcastic tone that Jeremy must be the unluckiest person in the world. Well, sadly he isn´t. How about the multitude of other MOJs there are all over the world, aren´t they the unluckiest people in the world too? Judges and juries have believed in "evidence" against each and every one of those persons to convict them, even if it was proven later, often decades later, that they were innocent! Jeremy´s situation, unfortunately, is not unique.
It is such a shame and a disgrace that in many of those cases, evidence has been fabricated by police, prosecution has withheld evidence, "witnesses" have plain lied under oath, false confessions have been obtained by harsh interrogation techniques.
It could happen to each and every one of us.
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Alias I honestly feel Jeremy will gain his freedom and enjoy all that he has missed. So many people have had their lives ruined because of MOJ's some just because they were Irish and they fitted the bill so lets fabricate the evidence how can these police officers live with themselves knowing they have sent innocent men to prison destroying their lives and that of their families if it had been accidentl it would be easier to comprehend but to deliberately fabricate evidence to get a conviction is a disgrace to mankind. I think posters who think Jeremy Bamber is guilty that is their right but it is not necessary to be sarcastic and try and fabricate stories to make Jeremy out to be a truly horrible person he is serving a life sentence is that not enough for them.
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Alias I honestly feel Jeremy will gain his freedom and enjoy all that he has missed. So many people have had their lives ruined because of MOJ's some just because they were Irish and they fitted the bill so lets fabricate the evidence how can these police officers live with themselves knowing they have sent innocent men to prison destroying their lives and that of their families if it had been accidentl it would be easier to comprehend but to deliberately fabricate evidence to get a conviction is a disgrace to mankind. I think posters who think Jeremy Bamber is guilty that is their right but it is not necessary to be sarcastic and try and fabricate stories to make Jeremy out to be a truly horrible person he is serving a life sentence is that not enough for them.
I have always wondered about that bit. They should be quite content, Jeremy is where they think he should be, so why use so much energy on something that is already in place? :o You have to wonder!
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It was sad to see Jeremys' pic on last nights news as being included in the 100 year prison sentence alongside Brady and Rosemary West. I bet the relatives were gloating,and felt safe once more ! 100 years.
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Alias very very strange maybe they fear he will get released.
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Alias very very strange maybe they fear he will get released.
Why would they fear that if they don´t know him?
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Why would they fear that if they don´t know him?
Well, fact is we don't know who anybody is really??
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Well, fact is we don't know who anybody is really??
True. 8)
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I agree Susan, his childhood did seem to be very secure. It must have been a bit traumatic for him to go to boarding school but many upper class children do as a matter of course. Many of them settle down and love it, some struggle very badly with it but they are the children who don't feel wanted by their families. I cannot see how Jeremy felt unwanted by his family.
We know Jeremy had a hard time initially at boarding school but what we don't know is whether Nevill or June ever visited him at half-term,sent him letters and parcels or otherwise made their feelings known that they did love their son. The point of sending Jeremy away at such a young age was that he was predestined for the role of managing a farm,yet after eight long years Jeremy finally realized he was to start from the bottom upwards again and I doubt his psyche could withstand this blow. He seemed to be fine at Colchester College,where he was just one of the crowd,and of course there was nothing wrong in his choice of employment as a barman or a caterer,but maybe his parents interfered in his professional life the way June commented on his private life,Jeremy not receiving her share of the Osea Road dividend "until you learn to live properly".
So now we have a Jeremy who is tied to the Farm by the clause in his father's will,unable to borrow more money from him until he repaid the outstanding loan he already owed him for the world trip,and Jeremy's secondary source of money drying up with June refusing to write any more personal cheques,Jeremy reluctant to press his mother further in case she changed her will. This was,in my opinion,the reason why Jeremy gave the appearance of settling down to farming that last year,though indications are that during that time there was engendered only a heightened resentment of his parents with his remarks to James Richards about hating his parents and the explicit talk to confidant Julie. He used the excuse of his mother's and Sheila's illnesses along with Nevill's stress and Colin's regret about the inability to obtain regular employment to justify doing away with them all,the only hint of remorse post-murders being the throw-away comment that he "did miss the old man occasionally",though since incarceration Jeremy's lips are sealed as his acting vis-à-vis the victims has been confined to a non-speaking role.
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Steve,of course they visited him at weekends or he went home as he also did at half term unless visiting friends. He was in Norfolk not the North of Scotland and however much you squeeze the facts to fit your theory it doesn't work. The Bambers treated them as they would their natural children, sending Jeremy and Sheila to boarding school was a natural progression to them, not a rejection. Thousands of children go to boarding school and it's true some of these children are neglected by their parents and left alone at half term and other holidays but that wasn't the case with the Bamber children. It may not be a choice many parents would make even if they could afford it but I don't believe anyone has killed their families because of it ........... you'll have to do better than that imo.
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Steve,of course they visited him at weekends or he went home as he also did at half term unless visiting friends. He was in Norfolk not the North of Scotland and however much you squeeze the facts to fit your theory it doesn't work. The Bambers treated them as they would their natural children, sending Jeremy and Sheila to boarding school was a natural progression to them, not a rejection. Thousands of children go to boarding school and it's true some of these children are neglected by their parents and left alone at half term and other holidays but that wasn't the case with the Bamber children. It may not be a choice many parents would make even if they could afford it but I don't believe anyone has killed their families because of it ........... you'll have to do better than that imo.
Where was the photograph of the untidy kitchen with the dilapidated furniture and ramshackle staircase I saw the other day? Was there really a housekeeper to tidy that house? Can you imagine Jeremy leaving his dormitory at Gresham's and coming home to that ho-hum timewarp?No wonder he hankered after the bright lights of London where he was born. We have no way of knowing how Jeremy was treated by his parents during the holidays,with June fragile at best as she busied herself with her charity work and Nevill the workaholic put his livelihood first. If they had let the children run riot it would have been far better in my opinion than to give them freedom tempered by judgemental comments which was June's way of letting them know that she was still firmly in control. This strategy failed upon June's admission to St. Andrew's in 1982 and Jeremy and Sheila took advantage of the vacuum. Yet June's trump card was to control the purse strings,yet finding it nigh on impossible to rein Jeremy in after his profligacy was unleashed. Sheila was more pliable due to her illness:she charred for Ann Eaton and obeyed her mother's wish to want to see her grandchildren that August at White House Farm..
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steve you are a weirdo! Love
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Where was the photograph of the untidy kitchen with the dilapidated furniture and ramshackle staircase I saw the other day? Was there really a housekeeper to tidy that house? Can you imagine Jeremy leaving his dormitory at Gresham's and coming home to that ho-hum timewarp?No wonder he hankered after the bright lights of London where he was born. We have no way of knowing how Jeremy was treated by his parents during the holidays,with June fragile at best as she busied herself with her charity work and Nevill the workaholic put his livelihood first. If they had let the children run riot it would have been far better in my opinion than to give them freedom tempered by judgemental comments which was June's way of letting them know that she was still firmly in control. This strategy failed upon June's admission to St. Andrew's in 1982 and Jeremy and Sheila took advantage of the vacuum. Yet June's trump card was to control the purse strings,yet finding it nigh on impossible to rein Jeremy in after his profligacy was unleashed. Sheila was more pliable due to her illness:she charred for Ann Eaton and obeyed her mother's wish to want to see her grandchildren that August at White House Farm..
Oh dear!!!! Steve, you really do prefer people to slot int neat niches, don't you. POOR house keeper!!! If her forte was doing housework for others and taking pride in a job well done, the Bamber's kitchen must have been a NIGHTMARE. I wonder, Steve, where do you think this poor lady's responsibilities END? She goes to work, She does the job she's paid to do. END OF STORY. What the family do to all her good work is THEIR responsibility, however, we are talking about a WORKING family here who probably lead a Box and Cox existence WITHOUT the added extras of a somewhat fey female, whose interests probably lay more in cafe culture than domesticity, and her twin boys, who she's probably NOT taught the art of tidiness.
I'm amused that you use Jeremy as the example of "hankering for the bright lights of London" HOW do you think Sheila felt having to LEAVE them to be incarcerated once again in that bleak, soulless box of a house that she couldn't WAIT to get away from?
You paint a rather unkind and unpleasant picture of June as a controlling mother. Maybe, like you, she had firm pictures of what was the ideal. A VERY dangerous concept to hold. The "ideal" for one person is "anathema" to another. She certainly SEEMS to have gone down the road of assuming two things 1. By controlling the purse strings she had the right to control the person. 2. She was earning affection. Sadly, neither was true and she had long since ceased to have much in the way of control over her adult children, who may have done little more than be dutiful to her, as was I with my own mother, when occasion demanded it. I think it highly likely that June's expectations of how she believed her children SHOULD behave were firmly entrenched in the Art Deco era of her own ordered upbringing.
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Where was the photograph of the untidy kitchen with the dilapidated furniture and ramshackle staircase I saw the other day? Was there really a housekeeper to tidy that house? Can you imagine Jeremy leaving his dormitory at Gresham's and coming home to that ho-hum timewarp?No wonder he hankered after the bright lights of London where he was born. We have no way of knowing how Jeremy was treated by his parents during the holidays,with June fragile at best as she busied herself with her charity work and Nevill the workaholic put his livelihood first. If they had let the children run riot it would have been far better in my opinion than to give them freedom tempered by judgemental comments which was June's way of letting them know that she was still firmly in control. This strategy failed upon June's admission to St. Andrew's in 1982 and Jeremy and Sheila took advantage of the vacuum. Yet June's trump card was to control the purse strings,yet finding it nigh on impossible to rein Jeremy in after his profligacy was unleashed. Sheila was more pliable due to her illness:she charred for Ann Eaton and obeyed her mother's wish to want to see her grandchildren that August at White House Farm..
Such a snob. ;D ;D
Steve,,however dilapidated and ramshackle a place is,,it was the home that Jeremy remembered while at Gresham,with it's stuffed-shirt ,stiff-collared atmosphere. He would probably have given anything to have swapped places and remained at home.
That part of the house looked to be more or less closed off upwards towards the back-stairs anyway,as the door leading up there was seemingly rickety,as were the stairs. All old houses have these sorts of areas.
As for allowing,or not allowing the children run riot as you put it,,there were the fields to play in and let off as much steam as they liked,so I would doubt there'd have been any restrictions there.
It's only natural that as you get older you want to escape the confines of playing tick and hide and seek,to want to explore what the outside world has to offer-----------that's no crime. It's part of growing up. Jeremy was a normal person,inquisitive and adventurous,thus his travelling bug.
He was finding his feet and showing independence,which is a good thing rather than relying on others to plan and map your life out for you. Even one,or both of his parents let him have a free rein in that respect to " get it out of his system " before he gets down to what his father wanted him to follow,which was farming,,and which he showed an interest 18 months before the tragedy. Neville had shown his pleasure when he spoke to Barbara Wilson about this very subject,,though in the months that followed,,it was plain to see that certain members of the extended family were less than happy about Jeremys' future on the farm as hostilities were more than evident.
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Strange then that Robert Boutflour's notes were different,making it plain when he spoke of guns that it was Jeremy Nevill feared being around,just as Barbara Wilson reiterated in the recent documentary. As for Jeremy being independent,the problem was he couldn't live within his means,a lesson we all have to learn. If Sheila according to Dr. Hugh Cameron Ferguson was immature for her age how aptly this description fitted Jeremy.
I don't want to run down old Georgian houses with their classical facades which form part of this country's history. I would only say that the Victorians built better. I apologize to the relatives if they feel I have slighted their house:just every internal photograph I see it all looks so untidy and a bit dirty.
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Strange then that Robert Boutflour's notes were different,making it plain when he spoke of guns that it was Jeremy Nevill feared being around,just as Barbara Wilson reiterated in the recent documentary. As for Jeremy being independent,the problem was he couldn't live within his means,a lesson we all have to learn. If Sheila according to Dr. Hugh Cameron Ferguson was immature for her age how aptly this description fitted Jeremy.
I don't want to run down old Georgian houses with their classical facades which form part of this country's history. I would only say that the Victorians built better. I apologize to the relatives if they feel I have slighted their house:just every internal photograph I see it all looks so untidy and a bit dirty.
As you well know the family were under threat from other outside sources and BW never said in the programme who JN was afraid of ( if he did ever voice this fear) how do you know it was not from the people who had actually threatened the family or even if SC had even got hold of a gun before ? You don't know. I was bought up in a farm house and also used to visit the main estate house ( owned by people who were well off) they are often a bit ramshackle and untidy and yes sometimes a bit dirty . But we were always very healthy children. Also I can assure you we never appreciated the way we were brought up until much later in life. That's just normal when you get to your teens and early 20s .
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Strange then that Robert Boutflour's notes were different,making it plain when he spoke of guns that it was Jeremy Nevill feared being around,just as Barbara Wilson reiterated in the recent documentary. As for Jeremy being independent,the problem was he couldn't live within his means,a lesson we all have to learn. If Sheila according to Dr. Hugh Cameron Ferguson was immature for her age how aptly this description fitted Jeremy.
I don't want to run down old Georgian houses with their classical facades which form part of this country's history. I would only say that the Victorians built better. I apologize to the relatives if they feel I have slighted their house:just every internal photograph I see it all looks so untidy and a bit dirty.
Steve dear, of COURSE it was. You seem to forget that RWB seemed to make it his life's work to discredit Jeremy at every turn. It was he who dripped poison regarding him into his brother in laws ear and probably encouraged others to do the same. You'll get no argument from me about either Sheila OR Jeremy being immature. This happens when children are bought up to believe in the money tree.
I don't entirely agree with your assessment of Georgian houses. I know some which are beautiful and are furnished sensitively and tastefully. WHF seems not to have been one of those.
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As you well know the family were under threat from other outside sources and BW never said in the programme who JN was afraid of ( if he did ever voice this fear) how do you know it was not from the people who had actually threatened the family or even if SC had even got hold of a gun before ? You don't know. I was bought up in a farm house and also used to visit the main estate house ( owned by people who were well off) they are often a bit ramshackle and untidy and yes sometimes a bit dirty . But we were always very healthy children. Also I can assure you we never appreciated the way we were brought up until much later in life. That's just normal when you get to your teens and early 20s .
Well it's a pity Jeremy didn't appreciate what he had but left people to pick up five dead bodies whilst he was crying crocodile tears outside. It's pretty plain now to whom Nevill was alluding when discussing the shooting season where "accidents do happen" and I also reject the assertion even if it does come from Mike that the Bamber's were under surveillance when anyone who lived through that time knows full well how the Conservatives starved the public services of money.
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If Nevill had been so afraid of Jeremy, he would have locked away his firearms. He would have gone further than that: he would have forbidden Jeremy to come to the farm at all.
As it was, Nevill trusted Jeremy to come to the farm to work every day - with guns lying around. What you say is BS.
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Well it's a pity Jeremy didn't appreciate what he had but left people to pick up five dead bodies whilst he was crying crocodile tears outside. It's pretty plain now to whom Nevill was alluding when discussing the shooting season where "accidents do happen" and I also reject the assertion even if it does come from Mike that the Bamber's were under surveillance when anyone who lived through that time knows full well how the Conservatives starved the public services of money.
But Steve, it doesn't make sense to claim Nevill was frightened of Jeremy and believed he wanted to kill him because he allowed him to use guns anytime he wanted or needed to and left them easily accessible even with the twins in the house. I cannot believe Nevill would have behaved in such a way.
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If Nevill had been so afraid of Jeremy, he would have locked away his firearms. He would have gone further than that: he would have forbidden Jeremy to come to the farm at all.
As it was, Nevill trusted Jeremy to come to the farm to work every day - with guns lying around. What you say is BS.
No June wouldn't have let Nevill throw Jeremy out. It's in Robert Boutflour's typewritten notes. Maybe that's why they reached the compromise solution of Bourtree Cottage. But the kitchen scene on 7 August 1985 speaks to me that maybe Nevill in the run-up to the murders saw Jeremy as a threat in the back of his mind..
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No June wouldn't have let Nevill throw Jeremy out. It's in Robert Boutflour's typewritten notes. Maybe that's why they reached the compromise solution of Bourtree Cottage. But the kitchen scene on 7 August 1985 speaks to me that maybe Nevill in the run-up to the murders saw Jeremy as a threat in the back of his mind..
I don´t buy that. His firearms were easily accessible to Jeremy, that wouldn´t have been the case if Nevill had the slightest fear of Jeremy.
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Well it's a pity Jeremy didn't appreciate what he had but left people to pick up five dead bodies whilst he was crying crocodile tears outside. It's pretty plain now to whom Nevill was alluding when discussing the shooting season where "accidents do happen" and I also reject the assertion even if it does come from Mike that the Bamber's were under surveillance when anyone who lived through that time knows full well how the Conservatives starved the public services of money.
Now now Steve, this isn't a political forum and it very much depends on ones mind set as to whom Nevill was alluding. Furthermore can you please tell me why ANY child should be grateful to its' parents. It was THEIR choice to HAVE children and THEIR choice of how the should be bought up and what values they should be installed with.
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But Steve, it doesn't make sense to claim Nevill was frightened of Jeremy and believed he wanted to kill him because he allowed him to use guns anytime he wanted or needed to and left them easily accessible even with the twins in the house. I cannot believe Nevill would have behaved in such a way.
But maggie that could have been staged by Jeremy. Nobody visited the house much and from what we know of Nevill he was always careful with guns. I find it difficult to conceive the situation as Police found it with ammunition in the kitchen for goodness sake as well as the gun left out in the den.
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But maggie that could have been staged by Jeremy. Nobody visited the house much and from what we know of Nevill he was always careful with guns. I find it difficult to conceive the situation as Police found it with ammunition in the kitchen for goodness sake as well as the gun left out in the den.
I don't think Nevill was careful with guns, I have read in the past there were guns in most rooms at times. They were farmers, guns were just part of life, everything changed in the late 80s after a series of people went on killing sprees in Hungerford and of course the little children in Dunblaine.
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I don't think Nevill was careful with guns, I have read in the past there were guns in most rooms at times. They were farmers, guns were just part of life, everything changed in the late 80s after a series of people went on killing sprees in Hungerford and of course the little children in Dunblaine.
Maggie, I can confirm that back in the late 70's/early 80's IU was spending a lot of time at a farm. There was frequently a gun pointing at me from the utility room table as I walked through the door!!! To get to the gun cabinet it required one to go through the kitchen, down a long passage to the office beyond. It was usually too much effort.
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Today, Monday 13th January, 2014 is :-
"JEREMY BAMBER'S BIRTHDAY". - In a One Word Song, altogether now:- FIFTY THREE YEARS YOUNG. -
"CONGRATULATIONS,". You deserve FREEDOM, at long last!
"THE TRUTH NEVER SLEEPS, EVER!" - Mandy Rice-Davies )2013). #%€$¥ &£s.
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Today, Monday 13th January, 2014 is :-
"JEREMY BAMBER'S BIRTHDAY". - In a One Word Song, altogether now:- FIFTY THREE YEARS YOUNG. -
"CONGRATULATIONS,". You deserve FREEDOM, at long last!
"THE TRUTH NEVER SLEEPS, EVER!" - Mandy Rice-Davies )2013). #%€$¥ &£s.
Happy birthday, Jeremy Bamber.
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I second that,Campion.
A Very Happy Birthday to Jeremy.x May 2014 bring Good Luck.
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Happy Birthday Jeremy !!
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I know April, how evocative.
Why would a perfectly sane young man who had such an upbringing coolly shoot his family dead? It doesn't make sense imo.
None of it makes sense.
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Alias I honestly feel Jeremy will gain his freedom and enjoy all that he has missed. So many people have had their lives ruined because of MOJ's some just because they were Irish and they fitted the bill so lets fabricate the evidence how can these police officers live with themselves knowing they have sent innocent men to prison destroying their lives and that of their families if it had been accidentl it would be easier to comprehend but to deliberately fabricate evidence to get a conviction is a disgrace to mankind. I think posters who think Jeremy Bamber is guilty that is their right but it is not necessary to be sarcastic and try and fabricate stories to make Jeremy out to be a truly horrible person he is serving a life sentence is that not enough for them.
Just because they are Irish ?
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Ha Ha Ha Adam is that one of your jokes. Don't get it ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Not a joke.
You said some people suffer MOJ's just because they are Irish.
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Rubbish. I said the Birmingham 6 fitted the criteria for the bombings as they were Irish and they were wrongfully charged with the offence. I suggest you Google The Birmingham 6, The Guildford 4, The Maguire 7 and learn something of police corruption where innocent men were sent tp prison and served long sentences before their convictions were quashed. Very sad the effect these convictions had on the men themselves and their immediate families. Suggest you read the horrendous tactics used by the police to get these men convicted.
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Alias I honestly feel Jeremy will gain his freedom and enjoy all that he has missed. So many people have had their lives ruined because of MOJ's some just because they were Irish and they fitted the bill so lets fabricate the evidence how can these police officers live with themselves knowing they have sent innocent men to prison destroying their lives and that of their families if it had been accidentl it would be easier to comprehend but to deliberately fabricate evidence to get a conviction is a disgrace to mankind. I think posters who think Jeremy Bamber is guilty that is their right but it is not necessary to be sarcastic and try and fabricate stories to make Jeremy out to be a truly horrible person he is serving a life sentence is that not enough for them.
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Just because they are Irish ?
Your ignorance of how MOJ's occur and why they have occurred makes your opinions worthless Adam :o :o :o
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Thank you Gringo. And good evening.
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Thank you Gringo. And good evening.
You're welcome Adam . Your seemingly incredulous questioning of why the Birmingham 6 etc. were convicted on fabricated evidence does betray a lack of background knowledge on your part which some would consider vital in considering other possible MOJ's.
There is a wealth of verifiable information available which lays bare the methods used by police at this time to gain wrongful convictions. This knowledge is vital when studying possible miscarriages. If you are not aware of the corrupt practices employed by police at this time then you are unaware of the signs you should be looking for and you have quite openly displayed an ignorance of relevant knowledge which makes any conclusions you arrive at redundant.
Good evening to you too :)
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Adam I have replied to this post and your comment about being Irish did you not read it or am I to take it that your reply is No Comment ;D ;D ;D ;D
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You're welcome Adam . Your seemingly incredulous questioning of why the Birmingham 6 etc. were convicted on fabricated evidence does betray a lack of background knowledge on your part which some would consider vital in considering other possible MOJ's.
There is a wealth of verifiable information available which lays bare the methods used by police at this time to gain wrongful convictions. This knowledge is vital when studying possible miscarriages. If you are not aware of the corrupt practices employed by police at this time then you are unaware of the signs you should be looking for and you have quite openly displayed an ignorance of relevant knowledge which makes any conclusions you arrive at redundant.
Good evening to you too :)
GRINGO!!!!!!!!! I do believe you've upset Adam. MANY congratulations. It seems that you're the only one capable of getting under his thick skin :D :D :D
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Not a joke.
You said some people suffer MOJ's just because they are Irish.
Yes perhaps Susan should have clarified,just for you, that they needed to be catholic too ::) ::)