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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: killingeve on August 02, 2013, 09:32:AM
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Julie Mugford was just 20 years of age at the time of the tragedy at WHF. Yet despite her youth and coming from a middle classish background and attending grammar school and university she claims to have personally experienced the following:
1. An abusive step-father who beat her.
(source JB's wit stat page 14)
2. Suffered an anonymous brutal rape whilst in France.
(source: Letter dated May 1996 - Justice For All - The Manchester Mckenzie organisation)
3. Her ex boyfriend discussing his plans with her to murder 5 members of his adoptive family for up to a year before following through and announcing on the eve in question "Tonights the night".
Steve_uk has recently stated in a post that he believes those claiming abuse etc should always be listened to and any claims taken seriously. I totally agree. We have recently heard about much child abuse from the past: childrens' homes, church, celebs where the victims felt unable to come forward and when they did their claims were not taken seriously and dealt with appropriately. However, I have to say imo the statistical chances of one young female from a UK middle classish background suffering all 3 of the above seems unlikely.
Perhaps it is also worth bearing in mind the integrity of Julie Mugford's character:
1. Cheque book fraud
2. Burglary
3. Drug dealing
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Hi NN,,having read snippets of the " Justice for All ",,it's quite plain to see that this case should never have gone to trial if the police had done their job properly.
This is the worse MOJ that this country is ever going to see.! I mean that,,100%.
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Julie Mugford was just 20 years of age at the time of the tragedy at WHF. Yet despite her youth and coming from a middle classish background and attending grammar school and university she claims to have personally experienced the following:
1. An abusive step-father who beat her.
(source JB's wit stat page 14)
2. Suffered an anonymous brutal rape whilst in France.
(source: Letter dated May 1996 - Justice For All - The Manchester Mckenzie organisation)
3. Her ex boyfriend discussing his plans with her to murder 5 members of his adoptive family for up to a year before following through and announcing on the eve in question "Tonights the night".
Steve_uk has recently stated in a post that he believes those claiming abuse etc should always be listened to and any claims taken seriously. I totally agree. We have recently heard about much child abuse from the past: childrens' homes, church, celebs where the victims felt unable to come forward and when they did their claims were not taken seriously and dealt with appropriately. However, I have to say imo the statistical chances of one young female from a UK middle classish background suffering all 3 of the above seems unlikely.
Perhaps it is also worth bearing in mind the integrity of Julie Mugford's character:
1. Cheque book fraud
2. Burglary
3. Drug dealing
Good post NN, the alternative would suggest that there is a tendency to massage the truth for the purpose of seeking attention.
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Quote," The relatives had openly admitted that after the murders,their only consideration was how to incriminate Jeremy Bamber."unquote.
Says it all really.
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Did anyone know that Colin had had sex with another woman on his wedding night.?
Nice sort of a chap I must say.
Is it any wonder that poor Sheila was ill,if she'd known about this little gem.?
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Did anyone know that Colin had had sex with another woman on his wedding night.?
Nice sort of a chap I must say.
Is it any wonder that poor Sheila was ill,if she'd known about this little gem.?
Where did you read that info lookout? :)
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Where did you read that info lookout? :)
On the " Justice for All " site,Maggie. He apparently confessed to it having happened.Well he had to do,didn't he,,before he started his book.?
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Re. JM's rape. I'm almost sure that she'd have sued,knowing her love for money,,so in fact,it's questionable as to whether she was raped. Just happened to be something else she could pin on Jeremy for not having been there at the time.Yeah.!
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The more I read about this,the worse it gets. If I was Jeremy,I'd be stamping my feet at the disgust of all the lies rolling off the tongues of those who should have been comforting him after losing all his family,but instead were scheming to get " shut of him " for the rest of his life and theirs.
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Julie Mugford was just 20 years of age at the time of the tragedy at WHF. Yet despite her youth and coming from a middle classish background and attending grammar school and university she claims to have personally experienced the following:
1. An abusive step-father who beat her.
(source JB's wit stat page 14)
2. Suffered an anonymous brutal rape whilst in France.
(source: Letter dated May 1996 - Justice For All - The Manchester Mckenzie organisation)
3. Her ex boyfriend discussing his plans with her to murder 5 members of his adoptive family for up to a year before following through and announcing on the eve in question "Tonights the night".
Steve_uk has recently stated in a post that he believes those claiming abuse etc should always be listened to and any claims taken seriously. I totally agree. We have recently heard about much child abuse from the past: childrens' homes, church, celebs where the victims felt unable to come forward and when they did their claims were not taken seriously and dealt with appropriately. However, I have to say imo the statistical chances of one young female from a UK middle classish background suffering all 3 of the above seems unlikely.
Perhaps it is also worth bearing in mind the integrity of Julie Mugford's character:
1. Cheque book fraud
2. Burglary
3. Drug dealing
An excellent and noteworthy post, NaNu. Stimulation and danger seem to play a large part in her life.
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Apparently,JMs' reason for identifying the deceased was to " speak to Sheila to get to know what happened ". So immediately I smell uncertainty after the accusations against Jeremy.! Why the need to ask someone who can't answer,anyway.?
JM already knew of the phone conversation when Jeremy allegedly said " tonight's the night ",,so why the uncertainty when she already knew that Jeremy " had murdered them all ".?
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Apparently,JMs' reason for identifying the deceased was to " speak to Sheila to get to know what happened ". So immediately I smell uncertainty after the accusations against Jeremy.! Why the need to ask someone who can't answer,anyway.?
JM already knew of the phone conversation when Jeremy allegedly said " tonight's the night ",,so why the uncertainty when she already knew that Jeremy " had murdered them all ".?
Very true lookout, it is a contradiction isn't it?
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Very true lookout, it is a contradiction isn't it?
And what led to her ghoulish desire to go back for a second look at the twins?
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Julie Mugford was just 20 years of age at the time of the tragedy at WHF. Yet despite her youth and coming from a middle classish background and attending grammar school and university she claims to have personally experienced the following:
1. An abusive step-father who beat her.
(source JB's wit stat page 14)
2. Suffered an anonymous brutal rape whilst in France.
(source: Letter dated May 1996 - Justice For All - The Manchester Mckenzie organisation)
3. Her ex boyfriend discussing his plans with her to murder 5 members of his adoptive family for up to a year before following through and announcing on the eve in question "Tonights the night".
Steve_uk has recently stated in a post that he believes those claiming abuse etc should always be listened to and any claims taken seriously. I totally agree. We have recently heard about much child abuse from the past: childrens' homes, church, celebs where the victims felt unable to come forward and when they did their claims were not taken seriously and dealt with appropriately. However, I have to say imo the statistical chances of one young female from a UK middle classish background suffering all 3 of the above seems unlikely.
Perhaps it is also worth bearing in mind the integrity of Julie Mugford's character:
1. Cheque book fraud
2. Burglary
3. Drug dealing
xxxxxxx :P ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Perhaps it is also worth bearing in mind the integrity of Julie Mugford's character:
1. Cheque book fraud
2. Burglary
3. Drug dealing
NaNu, it is and I have! Might it be possible that each of these crimes is a springboard for another, as in, "What will YOU do if I............"? It seems reasonably clear that she didn't need Jeremy beside her to break the law. Was it she who persuaded Jeremy to break into the caravan site office? Did she offer to be part of the Amsterdam drugs run. I feel quite certain that she would have found more takers amongst her student friends than would Jeremy amongst the local farmers.
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And what led to her ghoulish desire to go back for a second look at the twins?
Lord only knows,April.
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Lord only knows,April.
Lookout HI!!!!! Wonderful to know there's someone out there. I think it's just thee and me tonight. Guess the others are all exhausted after yesterdays debacle.
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Lookout HI!!!!! Wonderful to know there's someone out there. I think it's just thee and me tonight. Guess the others are all exhausted after yesterdays debacle.
Hi April,,,yes,I'm here,,mulling over the way that case was conducted,,without any proper investigation.
Words don't describe how Jeremy has felt all these years,,knowing he's been imprisoned through hatred and greed.
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Hello girls can I join your gang ;D ;D ;D
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Hi April,,,yes,I'm here,,mulling over the way that case was conducted,,without any proper investigation.
Words don't describe how Jeremy has felt all these years,,knowing he's been imprisoned through hatred and greed.
Makes me feel helpless and frustrated because it's something I have no control over. If I can feel so strongly about something which doesn'r effect me personally, God alone knows what it does to Jeremy. I guess he's learned incalculable degrees of patience over the years.
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Hello girls can I join your gang ;D ;D ;D
Susan, you are VERY welcome :)
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Hello girls can I join your gang ;D ;D ;D
Why of course,Susan. ;D ;D ;D Yippee.
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Why of course,Susan. ;D ;D ;D Yippee.
Would this be the knitting gang??????? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Would this be the knitting gang??????? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
PATTI!!!!! Good to see you, as long as you have some conversation to offer, it can be any damn group you want it to be ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D xxxxxxxxx
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PATTI!!!!! Good to see you, as long as you have some conversation to offer, it can be any damn group you want it to be ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D xxxxxxxxx
Oh blinkin heck, I am normally a quiet person. I met Bridget on Sunday and she is a right old bossy boots...xxxxxxxx
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Oh blinkin heck, I am normally a quiet person. I met Bridget on Sunday and she is a right old bossy boots...xxxxxxxx
How is bridget? I miss her input to the forum.
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How is bridget? I miss her input to the forum.
She is hunky dory April a lovely person, but knows sod all about Jeremy Bamber. We had a lovely chat and hopefully will meet up again later on in the year. I don't miss her on here though...lol ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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She is hunky dory April a lovely person, but knows sod all about Jeremy Bamber. We had a lovely chat and hopefully will meet up again later on in the year. I don't miss her on here though...lol ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
So what was her interest in the case, Patti?
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So what was her interest in the case, Patti?
I'm not sure we didn't really talk about it much, apart from the fact that I told her off for savaging my posts...lol No she is a lovely person and very relaxed. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Where has Lookout gone? I dare bet she is under the table with that Brandy.....lol ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I'm not sure we didn't really talk about it much, apart from the fact that I told her off for savaging my posts...lol No she is a lovely person and very relaxed. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Susan, stuck her head in the door a few posts back. Now she's disappeared. What's the betting she's gassing ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Susan, stuck her head in the door a few posts back. Now she's disappeared. What's the betting she's gassing ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I bet she is writing a note for the postman....oh and the milkman ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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All duck Steve has just logged on.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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That's Corrie finished,,now it's a toss-up whether I do the watering or not. I was hoping for rain but it didn't materialise.
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I bet she is writing a note for the postman....oh and the milkman ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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That's Corrie finished,,now it's a toss-up whether I do the watering or not. I was hoping for rain but it didn't materialise.
Open a bottle Lookout and do it in the morning....lets get smashed lol ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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All duck Steve has just logged on.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Patti, after yesterday :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Patti, after yesterday :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
I can't remember yesterday April...Oh yeah! NaNu thinks I don't love her....but I will let you into a little secret...I did the research for NaNu and sent for the certificate, surely that tells her something....Where is she by the way? Flipping trouble lololol Shall I delete that last bit April? What I am saying is that I do like her and have done what I did for her...cos I'm like that...But I can be a cow,....ask Caroline ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Open a bottle Lookout and do it in the morning....lets get smashed lol ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Well I might just have a snifter of Chivas Regal.It's been unopened for the past 3 years. ( whisky )
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Well I might just have a snifter of Chivas Regal.It's been unopened for the past 3 years. ( whisky )
Unopened lol Under the table with it..Ha! Is that a malt Lookout? ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I can't remember yesterday April...Oh yeah! NaNu thinks I don't love her....but I will let you into a little secret...I did the research for NaNu and sent for the certificate, surely that tells her something....Where is she by the way? Flipping trouble lololol Shall I delete that last bit April? What I am saying is that I do like her and have done what I did for her...cos I'm like that...But I can be a cow,....ask Caroline ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Patti, I wonder which of us haven't said or done things we later regret :) By the way, I must just tell you that I haven't heard back from bro in law, but I have a feeling he's busy trying to get his next book finished. It's really exciting, Sussex assizes up to 1900 (I think).
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Patti, I wonder which of us haven't said or done things we later regret :) By the way, I must just tell you that I haven't heard back from bro in law, but I have a feeling he's busy trying to get his next book finished. It's really exciting, Sussex assizes up to 1900 (I think).
That sounds really interesting April, just my cup of tea/wine. I love history and the old bailey online is fascinating, one could write a book about that. I wont ever get mine finished, but the story is a brilliant piece of our history that many people don't know about. ...No worries though me dear. X ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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That sounds really interesting April, just my cup of tea/wine. I love history and the old bailey online is fascinating, one could write a book about that. I wont ever get mine finished, but the story is a brilliant piece of our history that many people don't know about. ...No worries though me dear. X ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Lovely Patti, I'm going to be a real party pooper and call it a night.. Wish you happy dreams. Speak with you tomorrow. Have a feeling we're going to get another storm. xxxxxxxxx
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My dear ladies
susan is now the proud owner of a Yi Fi and is connected to mobile broadband but have spent all the day trying to decide how to create a new email address as my old one was on Dial Up. Have finished up with 5 different ones and five different passwords and forgot the lot of them so I have a man coming to my rescue on Monday but I can manage without the email as nobody emails anyway :'( Will love you all and leave you as I have been flat out since 5 a.m. (just moved house) into my rabbit hutch new one started already house not rabbit hutch. Nite nite my friends.x
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Lovely Patti, I'm going to be a real party pooper and call it a night.. Wish you happy dreams. Speak with you tomorrow. Have a feeling we're going to get another storm. xxxxxxxxx
Nite Nite Lovely April, sleepo wello....I hopo Carolino willo moveo this lotio....lateronio....Night April, sweet dreams. X ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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My dear ladies
susan is now the proud owner of a Yi Fi and is connected to mobile broadband but have spent all the day trying to decide how to create a new email address as my old one was on Dial Up. Have finished up with 5 different ones ands five different passwords and forgot the lot of them so I have a man coming to my rescue on Monday but I can manage without the email as nobody emails anyway :'( Will love you all and leave you as I have been flat out since 5 a.m. (just moved house) into my rabbit hutch new one started already house not rabbit hutch. Nite nite my friends.x
Yey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nite nite Susan...sleep tight and I have no idea what Yi Fi is ....lol ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Morning Patti
a Wi Fi is a wireless modem best thing since sliced bread sorry spelt it incorrectly earlier I worship the little thing. Congratulations to the two members who worked none stop I am sure to get the forum up and running again if you ever need my assistance all you have to do is beg ;D ;D ;D
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Hi NN,,well I've still got this experiment with Steve,to carry out. A matter of a " sit-up-and-beg" bicycle to pedal from Goldhanger,along the sea-wall to WHF to see if it can be done in 10 minutes. In the dark of course,,with no street lights. Skirts billowing in the slight sea breezes,and the wind whistling up the leg of my drawers. ;D
Steve will be in the courtyard of WHF with a stopwatch,,with his Thermos in a carrier bag.
I have wondered what will happen when Jeremy is free. There'll be something that we can get our teeth into. 8)
Hohoho Lookout you could do it as a sponsored event ;D ;D ;D
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Morning Patti
a Wi Fi is a wireless modem best thing since sliced bread sorry spelt it incorrectly earlier I worship the little thing. Congratulations to the two members who worked none stop I am sure to get the forum up and running again if you ever need my assistance all you have to do is beg ;D ;D ;D
Am I going bonkers or have I posted on the wrong thread...Must be this Yorkshire Gold Tea. Susie I think I have one of those is it a modem? Alls I know is that I can use the internet...lose house phones and don't know how to work the remote control...mind you there is a lot of them, so have to go through them all to put the tele on...I think the last time was about 3 months ago.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Am I going bonkers or have I posted on the wrong thread...Must be this Yorkshire Gold Tea. Susie I think I have one of those is it a modem? Alls I know is that I can use the internet...lose house phones and don't know how to work the remote control...mind you there is a lot of them, so have to go through them all to put the tele on...I think the last time was about 3 months ago.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
patti, you requested that it was moved to "Off Topic" which I did ;D
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patti, you requested that it was moved to "Off Topic" which I did ;D
Yes, but you have moved all of it.....You on the champers April. Hahahahahahahah Give your address and I will nip down with another bottle... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Can anyone add anything further re JM's claims of violence at the hands of her step-father and/or the "brutal rape" by an anonymous individual in France?
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Can anyone add anything further re JM's claims of violence at the hands of her step-father and/or the "brutal rape" by an anonymous individual in France?
Hi NN,,not yet,,but I aim to do some delving. JM being money-orientated,I would have imagined it would have come to light well before now,,with oodles of compensation to boot.
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Can anyone add anything further re JM's claims of violence at the hands of her step-father and/or the "brutal rape" by an anonymous individual in France?
Hi NN,,not yet,,but I aim to do some delving. JM being money-orientated,I would have imagined it would have come to light well before now,,with oodles of compensation to boot.
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Hi NN,,not yet,,but I aim to do some delving. JM being money-orientated,I would have imagined it would have come to light well before now,,with oodles of compensation to boot.
Hi Lookout
Wld JM have been eligible for any compensation?
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Hi Lookout
Wld JM have been eligible for any compensation?
I think so,NN,,if it had been to court of course.
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Hi, can you all check and see if you can see the counter on the main page or is the advert for HugeDomains visible? Cheers
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Hi Caroline,,yes,it's there on my left of the screen.
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Hi, can you all check and see if you can see the counter on the main page or is the advert for HugeDomains visible? Cheers
Hi Caroline, no advert and counter is up on my pages. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hi Caroline, no advert and counter is up on my pages. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Caroline HI :) Counter. No advert.