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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: mike tesko on May 01, 2013, 08:35:PM

Title: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: mike tesko on May 01, 2013, 08:35:PM
Here is the Evidence police stage managed Sheila's body, at the scene...

After 10am, PC Bird took the following images of bloodstains present upon Sheila Caffells nightdress - if she had been dead from as long ago as say 3am, how could the shape and size of the bloodstain in the same area of the nightdress change so significantly, and dramatically?
Title: Re: Here is the Evidence police stage managed Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: mike tesko on May 01, 2013, 08:39:PM
The truth about what police did, is encapsulated in these two cropped images - how can you argue against such a formiddable piece of photographic evidence...
Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: mike tesko on May 01, 2013, 08:41:PM
What sort of trick photography are the police, the relatives, and thier supporters going to rely upon, or refer to to explain this latest development - I wonder...
Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: mike tesko on May 01, 2013, 08:44:PM
Please, take a good long hard look at both images, and explain to me, how spots of spattered blood can appear along the edge of the large bloodstain in one image, yet be absent from the other, do you really think I am such a fool as not to realize and know the significance of such basic observations...
Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: mike tesko on May 01, 2013, 08:47:PM
Both images were taken at the scene by PC Bird (SOC) after 10 O'clock, on 7th August 1985:-
Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: Bridget on May 01, 2013, 08:54:PM
Please, take a good long hard look at both images, and explain to me, how spots of spattered blood can appear along the edge of the large bloodstain in one image, yet be absent from the other, do you really think I am such a fool as not to realize and know the significance of such basic observations...

I think it's because you are using your photos of photos, and if you look at the full images (uncropped) the second one is much poorer quality and slightly out of focus when compared to the first one.
Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: mike tesko on May 01, 2013, 09:01:PM
Here we go again, mystic Bridget, trying to blame the quality of the photographs for such discrepancies - when will they stop being so pathetic with thier excuses - everybody can see the shape and size of the bloodstains are significantly different, which planet do you come from, the blind one...

Fucking hell, give me strength...

Tell you what, bird brain of Britain, let  Bambers campaign team get the negatives of the originals and lets see if these differences are visible between both negatives, give me strength all mighty god, to put up with such nonsense from these people, they will stop at nothing to protect the honesty and integrity of these dishonest / evil police officers who stage managed Sheila's body, took pictures afterwards, and used those images to blame Jeremy Bamber for having done the stage managing...

Either talk sensible, or stop reading what I post, put me on ignore...
Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: Bridget on May 01, 2013, 09:06:PM
Here we go again, mystic Bridget, trying to blame the quality of the photographs for such discrepancies - when will they stop being so pathetic with thier excuses - everybody can see the shape and size of the bloodstains are significantly different, which planet do you come from, the blind one...

Fucking hell, give me strength...

Tell you what, bird brain of Britain, let  Bambers campaign team get the negatives of the originals and lets see if these differences are visible between both negatives, give me strength all mighty god, to put up with such nonsense from these people, they will stop at nothing to protect the honesty and integrity of these dishonest / evil police officers who stage managed Sheila's body, took pictures afterwards, and used those images to blame Jeremy Bamber for having done the stage managing...

Either talk sensible, or stop reading what I post, put me on ignore...

 ::)

We'll just let other readers decide whether or not the lack of spots on the second photograph is down to photo quality shall we?

First photo:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4311;image

Second photo:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4308;image






Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: mike tesko on May 01, 2013, 09:06:PM
I know what I see, and I know what I know, and there ain't nobody on this earth gonna convince me that the shape and size of the bloodstain in both images is the same, it only looks different because of the quality of the images - what a practical joker, mystic Bridget is...
Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: mike tesko on May 01, 2013, 09:10:PM
::)

We'll just let other readers decide whether or not the lack of spots on the second photograph is down to photo quality shall we?

First photo:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4311;image

Second photo:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4308;image

Yeah, we will, now stop being absolutely pathetic, negatives of original images will resolve this matter, once and for all, and I know what I am saying is a winning argument, and that what you are saying is a losing argument...

Sheila was still alive when these photographs were taken, and the additional spottings of blood along the edge of the main bloodstain is evidence of that / this - she was still breathing long after 10 O'clock, matey / chummy...
Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: mike tesko on May 01, 2013, 09:15:PM
These images, of the conflicting bloodstains photographed on Sheila's nightdress, needs to be shown on the front pages of every national newspaper in the country / world, and reported on Sky News, and other news programs, because it is argubly the best chance yet that Bamber has got of showing that Sheila was not dead when police first entered the farmhouse at 7:30am - she was still bleeding after 10am, and coughing up blood which spattered along the edge of the large bloodstain on her nightdress, hence the reason why they later applied CPR...
Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: mike tesko on May 01, 2013, 09:19:PM
Let Bambers legal team, examine the negatives of these two photographs, so as to arrive at the correct, conclusion...
Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: Roch on May 01, 2013, 10:13:PM
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We'll just let other readers decide whether or not the lack of spots on the second photograph is down to photo quality shall we?

First photo:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4311;image

Second photo:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4308;image

The bible should give you a clue.  Then again, not sure.  But there is a blue triangle contained within the stain on one image that is not replicated in the other image.
Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: mike tesko on May 01, 2013, 10:32:PM
Look at the shadow from the rifles barrel, in the first image, and compare it against the non existent shadow in the second image, one where barrell is resting against the chest of Sheila (barrell not resting against neck), and other shows barrel resting against neck...
Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: mike tesko on May 01, 2013, 10:38:PM
In order to adjust Sheila's nightdress, as shown in the two posted images, one or two things had to occur, (1) Sheila's right hand had to be removed from rifle, (2) rifle had to be removed, (3), nightdress had to be readjusted...

Then the whole process, had to be done in reverse, in order that second photograph could be taken...
Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: Roch on May 01, 2013, 10:40:PM
But can you see what I mean about the blue triangle?
Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: mike tesko on May 01, 2013, 10:42:PM
In order to adjust Sheila's nightdress, as shown in the two posted images, one or two things had to occur, (1) Sheila's right hand had to be removed from rifle, (2) rifle had to be removed, (3), nightdress had to be readjusted...

Then the whole process, had to be done in reverse, in order that second photograph could be taken...

DI Cook has gone on record as saying he moved Sheila's hand, and that he removed the rifle from Sheila's body and rested it against the bedroom window - yet DC Hammersley claims he recovered the rifle DRH/15 from a top Sheila's body...
Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: Alias on May 01, 2013, 10:45:PM
But can you see what I mean about the blue triangle?

I can“t see it.
Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: mike tesko on May 01, 2013, 10:45:PM
But can you see what I mean about the blue triangle?

You mean, here:-
Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: Alias on May 01, 2013, 10:47:PM
The picture has been cut, you have to see the whole nightgown.
Good nite.
Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: Roch on May 01, 2013, 11:22:PM
Mike / Alias,

No I mean follow the edge line up from arm, in left image, until you reach a blue material triangle.  The same triangle is not replicated in the other image on the right.
Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: Bridget on May 02, 2013, 12:30:AM
The bible should give you a clue.  Then again, not sure.  But there is a blue triangle contained within the stain on one image that is not replicated in the other image.

Different camera angles, that's all.
Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: mike tesko on May 02, 2013, 06:13:AM
Different camera angles, that's all.

What a load of codswallop...

Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: mike tesko on May 02, 2013, 06:22:AM
We'll let the negatives of these photographs do the talking - I wonder how the different angle of photograph argument effects the sudden appearance of splashes of expiated blood which appear in the second image, absent from the first?

According to mystic Bridget, it has got something to do with camera angles, ha, ha, ha...
Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: mike tesko on May 02, 2013, 06:24:AM
Here, look at this:-

Mystic Bridget, argues that the reason for the change in shape of the bloodstain on the nightdress is due to the change of angle that both photographs which captured these two images were taken in - now lets look into the logic of what the mystic has said, and is saying...

She advocates that the photographer moves from his original position where he took this photo:-
Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: mike tesko on May 02, 2013, 06:29:AM
Here, look at this:-

Mystic Bridget, argues that the reason for the change in shape of the bloodstain on the nightdress is due to the change of angle that both photographs which captured these two images were taken in - now lets look into the logic of what the mystic has said, and is saying...

She advocates that the photographer moves from his original position where he took this photo, to a different position at which point he took a second image. Now, in order to achieve what mystic Bridget is advocating, the photographer has to move to the right, to have any chance of capturing a different view of the bloodstain in question, which effectively moves the end of the guns barrel, shown in image (1), to the left:-
Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: mike tesko on May 02, 2013, 06:41:AM
If the photographer moves from his original position, to a dirrent position by going right, the position of the end of the guns barrel has to move left against the backdrop of the body - it cannot move right because the position of the camera angle has moved right, the end of the guns barrel has to move left against the backdrop of Sheila's body, yet we find that in the photographs which show the additional blood, including additional expiated blood, the barrel of the gun has moved right and is resting against Sheila's neck on her left, but the photographers right...

You cannot make something like the end of a guns barrel move to the right (from vantage point of photographer) if the photographer changes his position by moving to the right, it has to move the position of the end of the guns barrel to the left against the backdrop of the body (in this examople), you cannot move to the right and make the end of the guns barrel go right in the same process - mystic Bridget, is talking codswallop, ha, ha, ha, (what a joker)...
Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: Lugg on May 02, 2013, 09:46:AM
Both images were taken at the scene by PC Bird (SOC) after 10 O'clock, on 7th August 1985:-
It is very difficult to see Mike. But there is some kind of spotting in that area in the photo on the left. But it is very faint. The photo on the right seems to be brighter and therefore the spotting appears more definite. Also it appears that the photo on the left was taken at a slightly different angle to the one on the right. This can be seen in the definite shadow of the crease in the one on the left caused by the flash probably? But then again I notice the blue triangles as well.
Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: Roch on May 02, 2013, 09:58:AM
Different camera angles, that's all.

I very much doubt it Bridget.  The position of triangular sliver I am referring to is easily placed in respect of where it should be on the other photo.  It is missing.  The only way that can happen is if the folds are in a different position. 

Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: Lugg on May 02, 2013, 10:04:AM
I very much doubt it Bridget.  The position of triangular sliver I am referring to is easily placed in respect of where it should be on the other photo.  It is missing.  The only way that can happen is if the folds are in a different position.
Possibly caused when they moved the gun? Looking generally at the two pictures though and looking at Sheila's hair, it does not look as if they moved her body, as every hair on her head is in exactly the same place?
Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: mike tesko on May 03, 2013, 06:51:AM
Possibly caused when they moved the gun? Looking generally at the two pictures though and looking at Sheila's hair, it does not look as if they moved her body, as every hair on her head is in exactly the same place?

Did not move her body inbetween the two frames of photographs, but adjusted her nightdress and the position of the rifle...
Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: mike tesko on May 03, 2013, 06:52:AM
Here:-

They didn't want anyone outside the cover up, to see images like these...
Title: Re: Here is the Evidence, that police stage managed, Sheila's body, at the scene...
Post by: mike tesko on May 03, 2013, 07:09:AM
Lets look more closely:-