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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: mike tesko on February 27, 2011, 12:17:PM
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Proof that Police knew about a silencer on 9th August 1985
A great deal has been written and speculated upon, about whether or not Essex police did know about the existence of a silencer (sound moderator) from as early as, 9th August 1985? Now, see the evidence for yourself - DS "Stan" Jones, talks to COLP, about the events from 7th, 8th and 9th August 1985, during which the police spoke to Jeremy about the silencer, on and by evening of 9th August 1985, at 7:30pm, and that this was before the alleged date, that the relatives allegedly found the silencer, in the gun cupboard in the den, on the following day...
DS "Stan" Jones, and DCI "Taff" Jones, knew about the existence of a silencer at the scene, on the day before the relatives allegedly found a silencer, in the gun cupboard, on 10th August 1985...
How could Essex police have known about the silencer (9th August 1985), the day before the relatives allegedly found it (10th August 1985), at the scene?
Here are the notes recorded in DS "Stan" Jones, notebook, and the details of what he discussed with COLP as part of their 1991, investigation into the handling of the case:-
("being uploaded")...
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Sorry for delay in posting evidence about this matter, please bear with me...
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Can you imagine the impact, if it could be shown that Essex police, in particular, DCI "Taff" Jones, and DS "Stan" Jones, both knew about the silencer, the day before the relatives allegedly found it in the gun cupboard (in Den) at whf, on the following day (10th August 1985)?
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FACT is, that DS "Stan" Jones, took possession of four exhibits from the scene, on 7th August 1985, bearing the exhibit references, SBJ/1, SBJ/2, SBJ/3 and SBJ/4 - now what I would like to know, is what item was exhibit SBJ/1 that DS "Stan" Jones, removed from the scene on 7th August 1985?
Was this a silencer (SBJ/1)?
If it was a silencer, and he recovered it from the downstairs toilet / shower room, to whom did this silencer belong to?
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Here is the relevant extract from the interview with COLP, by DS "Stan" Jones, referring to events of evening (7:30pm) 9th August 1985:-
I will be posting a fuller version of his entire interview, by COLP, 1991, in due course...
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What I want to know, and I am sure everyone else would like to know, is how could Essex police know about a silencer, one day before the alleged find of it at the scene by the relatives?
More importantly, how do exhibits, SBJ/1, SBJ/2, SBJ/3 ande SBJ/4, fit in with what we now know?
Did DS "Stan" Jones take possession of control of a silencer (SBJ/1) at the scene on 7th August 1985?
I think he did...
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Not only do I think that DS "Stan" Jones, did take possession of a silencer (SBJ/1) from the scene on 7th August 1985, I can prove it...
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According to the evidence given by DS Davidson, to the COLP investigators, 1991 / 1992, he stated that he did not have any direct involvement with the silencer, stating that that was the Province of Di COOK (SOC), but he lied about that fact...
He lied about his involvement with these different silencers, because if he told the truth, it would have become crystal clear that police had deliberately falsified the account of these different silencer's, which found their way into the possession of the police, at different stages of the investigation, as being one and the same silencer (when of course, they could not possibly have been the same)...
I can post evidence to prove that DS Davidson, lied and misled the COLP investigation, relating to this matter...
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DCI "Taff" Jones, and DS "Stan" Jones, knew about a silencer at and by 7:30pm, on 9th August 1985 - FACT, not speculation, not a theory, not anyones imagination - proven fact, but how could they have known about a silencer, which was not yet found by the relatives, until 11th September 1985, or as the case may be, by 10th August 1985?
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At what stage, did DS "Stan" Jones, take possession of exhibits, SBJ/2, SBJ/3 and SBJ/4, from the scene at whf?
How does he think he is going to get away with this?
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So, the record shows that not only did Essex police know about a silencer by 7:30pm, on the evening of 9th August 1985, but that DS "Stan" Jones, took possession of exhibit, SBJ/1, from the scene, on 7th August 1985, and by 12th August 1985, he was taking possession of a different silencer (DB/1) from Peter Eaton...
I am particularly interested in this second silencer (DB/1), which found its way into police possession by the evening of 12th August 1985...
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Yes, that is interesting. It's also interesting that Ann Eaton was given the keys to the farm and not Jeremy - I don't understand that. She seemed to be everywhere. What was she doing at Jeremy's house on 9th August if she thought he was a killer? She went to the farm a few times didn't she? Would you do that if you thought that a killer was at large?
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I am also very interested, in discovering which of these two different identical looking Parker hale silencers, was examined for fingerprints, by oblique light test, on 15th August 1985, and whether or not, this was the same silencer, (SBJ/1) or a different one, (DB/1), which was examined for fingerprints, by super glue treatment, on the 23rd August 1985?
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I am also very interested, in finding out, which of these two different, identical looking Parker Hale silencers, (SBJ/1 and DB/1) was dismantled by DI Cook (SOC) on 29th August 1985, rebuilt, and screwed onto the end of the bloodstained Bamber rifle, before both were re-submitted to the Lab' for examination on 30th August 1985, inside which was found the crucial flake of blood, that produced the blood group activity, A, EAP BA, AK1 and HP 2-1)?
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I am also very interested, in finding out, which of these two different, identical looking Parker Hale silencers, (SBJ/1 and DB/1) was dismantled by DI Cook (SOC) on 29th August 1985, rebuilt, and screwed onto the end of the bloodstained Bamber rifle, before both were re-submitted to the Lab' for examination on 30th August 1985, inside which was found the crucial flake of blood, that produced the blood group activity, A, EAP BA, AK1 and HP 2-1)?
I think I missed the bit about him dismantling it. Is there a document to show that?
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If silencer SBJ/1 was the same silencer as DB/1, how did it end up back in the possession of the relatives to enable Peter Eaton to hand it over to DS Jones, on the evening of 12th August 1985, considering that by 7:30pm, on the evening of 9th August 1985, DS "Stan" Jones, and DCI "Taff" Jones, already knew about the existence of a silencer, which they spoke to Jeremy about at his cottage, 9 Head Street, Goldhanger?
It does not make sense, and cannot be reconciled with the details of the prosecutions case, as alleged at the time of Bambers trial, in October 1986...
In my opinion...
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I am also very interested, in finding out, which of these two different, identical looking Parker Hale silencers, (SBJ/1 and DB/1) was dismantled by DI Cook (SOC) on 29th August 1985, rebuilt, and screwed onto the end of the bloodstained Bamber rifle, before both were re-submitted to the Lab' for examination on 30th August 1985, inside which was found the crucial flake of blood, that produced the blood group activity, A, EAP BA, AK1 and HP 2-1)?
I think I missed the bit about him dismantling it. Is there a document to show that?
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Photographic record, only...
I will post the necessary linked pictures for your thoughts, and attention:-
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Thanks but that doesn't say who took it to bits and when.
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Baffle plates, at time Cook (SOC) dismantled silencer, and rebuilt it, before screwing it onto the barrel of the bloodstained Bamber rifle, had the jaws of the baffle plates, downward facing, at this time, which by 29th April 1986, had become upward facing...
Baffle ;plates had been turned "head over heels", between 29th August 1985, and 29th April 1986 - but for what purpose, or reason?
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Thanks but that doesn't say who took it to bits and when.
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I cannot publish evidence that proves it was DI Cook (SOC) and that he did it on 29th August 1985, but you will either have to accept what I am saying about this, or wait until the matter comes to court, if it ever comes to court...
However, I think I am allowed to post a copy of a handwritten note, sent by COOK to the ballistics expert, on 30th August 1985, to Fletcher, which deals with these events, where Cook prompts Fletcher, along the lines that this is the Bamber rifle, which Cook has been speaking to him about...
In the meantime, please look at, and consider this - an Essex police record which confirms that by 9am, on 9th August 1985, police knew about the silencer in the gun cupboard:-
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I should think that all of our members will now be more than satisfied, that Essex police knew about a silencer, at the scene, long before the relatives allegedly found a silencer in the gun cupboard, in the "den" at whf, on 11th September 1985, or as the case may be, by 10th August 1985?
So, who is conning who, about these different silencers?
Essex police?
The relatives?
The DPP?
or, as the case may be:-
Mike Tesko?
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I am deeply troubled by these different identical looking Parer Hale Silencers...
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I am deeply troubled by the fact that DS "Stan" Jones, and DCI "Taff" Jones, were questioning Jeremy about the silencer at 7:30pm, on evening of 9th August 1985, and that Essex police were recording documentation saying that a silencer was in their possession by 9am, on 9th August 1985?
Somebody is not telling the truth, about these silencers...
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Thanks but that doesn't say who took it to bits and when.
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I cannot publish evidence that proves it was DI Cook (SOC) and that he did it on 29th August 1985, but you will either have to accept what I am saying about this, or wait until the matter comes to court, if it ever comes to court...
However, I think I am allowed to post a copy of a handwritten note, sent by COOK to the ballistics expert, on 30th August 1985, to Fletcher, which deals with these events, where Cook prompts Fletcher, along the lines that this is the Bamber rifle, which Cook has been speaking to him about...
In the meantime, please look at, and consider this - an Essex police record which confirms that by 9am, on 9th August 1985, police knew about the silencer in the gun cupboard:-
The time and date on that is 9 am on 7th August, and I'm not sure what it's referring to - surely not to the items listed - SOC weren't even on the scene at 9 am.
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Thanks but that doesn't say who took it to bits and when.
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I cannot publish evidence that proves it was DI Cook (SOC) and that he did it on 29th August 1985, but you will either have to accept what I am saying about this, or wait until the matter comes to court, if it ever comes to court...
However, I think I am allowed to post a copy of a handwritten note, sent by COOK to the ballistics expert, on 30th August 1985, to Fletcher, which deals with these events, where Cook prompts Fletcher, along the lines that this is the Bamber rifle, which Cook has been speaking to him about...
In the meantime, please look at, and consider this - an Essex police record which confirms that by 9am, on 9th August 1985, police knew about the silencer in the gun cupboard:-
The time and date on that is 9 am on 7th August, and I'm not sure what it's referring to - surely not to the items listed - SOC weren't even on the scene at 9 am.
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They (DS Davidson) were there from about 8:25am, actually...
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Why were DS "Stan" Jones, and DCI "Taff" Jones, asking Jeremy questions about the silencer, at 7:30pm, on 9th August 1985, if the police did not already know about a silencer found at the scene by that stage?
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What siginifcance, if any, can be placed upon the FACT, that DS "Stan" Jones, took possession of four exhibits from the scene on 7th August 1985, bearing the identifying marks, SBJ/1, SBJ/2, SBJ/3 and SBJ/4?
Was it just a coincidence that the silencer (SBJ/1) was originally given DS Jones, exhibit reference, by 13th August 1985?
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Thanks but that doesn't say who took it to bits and when.
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I cannot publish evidence that proves it was DI Cook (SOC) and that he did it on 29th August 1985, but you will either have to accept what I am saying about this, or wait until the matter comes to court, if it ever comes to court...
However, I think I am allowed to post a copy of a handwritten note, sent by COOK to the ballistics expert, on 30th August 1985, to Fletcher, which deals with these events, where Cook prompts Fletcher, along the lines that this is the Bamber rifle, which Cook has been speaking to him about...
In the meantime, please look at, and consider this - an Essex police record which confirms that by 9am, on 9th August 1985, police knew about the silencer in the gun cupboard:-
The time and date on that is 9 am on 7th August, and I'm not sure what it's referring to - surely not to the items listed - SOC weren't even on the scene at 9 am.
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They (DS Davidson) were there from about 8:25am, actually...
But DC Bird didn't even photograph the scene until much later - you said that yourself. How could the gun and bullet cartridges have been fingerprinted before that?
Are you suggesting that a silencer was found in the gun cupboard well before 9 am on 7th August?
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Oh, and according to one log, Davidson didn't even leave en route to the farm until 8.38.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=263.0;attach=702;image
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Thanks but that doesn't say who took it to bits and when.
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I cannot publish evidence that proves it was DI Cook (SOC) and that he did it on 29th August 1985, but you will either have to accept what I am saying about this, or wait until the matter comes to court, if it ever comes to court...
However, I think I am allowed to post a copy of a handwritten note, sent by COOK to the ballistics expert, on 30th August 1985, to Fletcher, which deals with these events, where Cook prompts Fletcher, along the lines that this is the Bamber rifle, which Cook has been speaking to him about...
In the meantime, please look at, and consider this - an Essex police record which confirms that by 9am, on 9th August 1985, police knew about the silencer in the gun cupboard:-
The time and date on that is 9 am on 7th August, and I'm not sure what it's referring to - surely not to the items listed - SOC weren't even on the scene at 9 am.
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They (DS Davidson) were there from about 8:25am, actually...
But DC Bird didn't even photograph the scene until much later - you said that yourself. How could the gun and bullet cartridges have been fingerprinted before that?
Are you suggesting that a silencer was found in the gun cupboard well before 9 am on 7th August?
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Gun, 25 cartridge cases, and silencer, were to be fingerprinted, collected from scene at 9am...
Correct...
Enter separate firearms team, to conduct a re-en-action of the earlier operation - gun was moved, bodies were moved, bullet cases were collected up, and removed by 9am - 9:22am...
The bigger picture is beginning to take shape now that you are asking the proper questions...
In my opinion...
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Who is Christopher Nevile by the way?
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Who is Christopher Nevile by the way?
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Relative of Ralph Bambers...
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Who is Christopher Nevile by the way?
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Relative of Ralph Bambers...
OK, thanks. He was at Jeremy's house when Stan Jones and DCI Jones went there on 9th August.