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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: campion on February 15, 2013, 04:57:PM
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I saw this today in Tolleshunt D'arcy outside the newsagents. The Essex Chronicle poster headline
' Double Killer Dies In Jail '. Considering the significance of Tolleshunt D'arcys local history, the headline must carry more impact with locals !!!!!!!
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No sympathy from me.
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No sympathy from me either, I believe it refers to a murderer who killed his former partner and their child from Braintree and He was given a thirty year sentence last year at Chelmsford Crown Court. I understand He took His own life and that was His intention when He killed His Family.
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Just been reading about this case and I must say I am glad the bastard is dead. It was cruelty beyond belief, what the pair of them inflicted on that poor little girl and for what and why...What bloody harm could she have done to them....Good riddens and give the two that killed him a medal...
He got a minimum sentence of 23 years and his wife got 8 years..I can't say what I feel about the poor mite mother, for fear of losing my manners...again!!!!!!
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That might be another one then, I was referring to David Oakes. Apparently the HMP Frankland prisoner died in hospital on Monday at 3.19 am.
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That might be another one then, I was referring to David Oakes. Apparently the HMP Frankland prisoner died in hospital on Monday at 3.19 am.
Hi Campion there was a guy held hostage and killed by two prisoners in Long Lartin yesterday...think that's the one Patti is speaking of.....isn't that right Patti?? ;D
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That might be another one then, I was referring to David Oakes. Apparently the HMP Frankland prisoner died in hospital on Monday at 3.19 am.
Sorry Campion...I always seem to put my foot in it lately for some reason or other...I shall sit on the naughty step and sulk...lol :-[ ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I'm talking about this guy....but please don't read it, if you get upset...I read it and certain parts of it made me feel sick inside...... :'( :'( :'(
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/two-held-child-murderer-killed-jail-104426053.html#TegUHS0
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The point I was trying to raise, and it has been aided by Patti's addition is there is no sympathy for the two murderers mentioned . Both were involved in the murder of children. The significance is what do villager's in Tolleshunt D'arcy think of the newspaper headline because it is clearly aimed at them ? And Bamber maintains He is innocent !
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Hi Campion there was a guy held hostage and killed by two prisoners in Long Lartin yesterday...think that's the one Patti is speaking of.....isn't that right Patti?? ;D
It is maggie, it made me feel sick when I read it.... :'( :'( :'( :'(
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The point I was trying to raise, and it has been aided by Patti's addition is there is no sympathy for the two murderers mentioned . Both were involved in the murder of children. The significance is what do villager's in Tolleshunt D'arcy think of the newspaper headline because it is clearly aimed at them ? And Bamber maintains He is innocent !
Campion, it is also significant that the two men in this case admitted their crimes. Both of them are gone now...
Why is it aimed at those that live in Tolleshunt D'arcy.? :-\ :-\ :-\ ;)
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Hi Patti just read the Sky News report and I feel sick as I had just finished reading the full story of little darling Jamie Bulger and I will probably have nightmares tonight >:( >:( >:
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It is maggie, it made me feel sick when I read it.... :'( :'( :'( :'(
I read a bit Patti, can't do it, can't bare it. I just simply don't understand how anyone could be so cruel.
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I read a bit Patti, can't do it, can't bare it. I just simply don't understand how anyone could be so cruel.
Its heart breaking maggie....I also heard about a case today at work, where a 4 year old was starved of water...What are the social workers doing to protect these children...mores the point, what are the neighbours doing? sickening and depressing... :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Its heart breaking maggie....I also heard about a case today at work, where a 4 year old was starved of water...What are the social workers doing to protect these children...mores the point, what are the neighbours doing? sickening and depressing... :'( :'( :'( :'(
I think the social workers are doing their best Patti. Some of these abusers are very clever at hiding stuff. I agree about the neighbours tho', if these people aren't reported then no one knows.
My daughter is working in a new intervention role which has just been set up. They get in early before they become Child Protection cases and are very hands on. If it just helps one child, it's worth having imo.
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White House Farm is within a mile and a half of the newsagents. The headline could also be interpreted as of local interest, until the article is read it isn't clear who died in jail.
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I think the social workers are doing their best Patti. Some of these abusers are very clever at hiding stuff. I agree about the neighbours tho', if these people aren't reported then no one knows.
My daughter is working in a new intervention role which has just been set up. They get in early before they become Child Protection cases and are very hands on. If it just helps one child, it's worth having imo.
I think there should be a massive call on the public Maggie, to have a duty of care to help protect children. Walls are not thin and children cry out when they are hurting, surely neighbours can hear this going off....Sadly its a case of I don't want to get involved, but to me they are involved when they can hear children being abused and they should report it, if not then they are just as guilty for letting this kind of thing happen. The parents have a duty of care too...the buck lays with them.
Social workers, sadly can;t be held responsible, can they really. They can't watch everyone....its a tough job maggie......Anybody who works in child protection has not got an easy job. There will be mistakes! sadly! :( :( :( :(
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White House Farm is within a mile and a half of the newsagents. The headline could also be interpreted as of local interest, until the article is read it isn't clear who died in jail.
I get yer! :( :( :(
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I think there should be a massive call on the public Maggie, to have a duty of care to help protect children. Walls are not thin and children cry out when they are hurting, surely neighbours can hear this going off....Sadly its a case of I don't want to get involved, but to me they are involved when they can hear children being abused and they should report it, if not then they are just as guilty for letting this kind of thing happen. The parents have a duty of care too...the buck lays with them.
Social workers, sadly can;t be held responsible, can they really. They can't watch everyone....its a tough job maggie......Anybody who works in child protection has not got an easy job. There will be mistakes! sadly! :( :( :( :(
Yes, if people don't report when they hear children being abused then they are to blame too. I have a friend who did just that. The matter was sorted very quickly.
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Yes, if people don't report when they hear children being abused then they are to blame too. I have a friend who did just that. The matter was sorted very quickly.
Good for them Maggie.....I would do the same. I suppose its easy for us to comment...but in real life its very different...I'm going to play some music maggie, to cheer up! :) :) :) :)
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I yhink these child killers should be kept in solitery confinement.and fed bread and water.
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Just got locked out had to get housing association to change locks.
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If the point is taken a stage further, the Witham MP Patel openly flags up Her involvement in Bambers appeal attempts. If it was Jeremy who had died on Monday morning, this wouldn't have been a local story. The newsagents is on the main road in the district. Unless someone has knowledge of White House Farm, which not every person driving past does, it may be wrongly assumed it was Bamber who died in jail. As He is involved in the ECHR ruling on a full life tariff meaning He dies in Jail unless new evidence is found to prove His innocence. He is a Big News Item. One day the headline could be applicable to Him. The media scrum involving local politicians will be intense. How many votes is Jeremy Bamber worth, Law and Order is one of the big three at a General Election. Tough on Crime and Tough on the causes of Crime, I think thats the Political soundbite.
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Is there any body in here talking?
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Is there any body in here talking?
hello bigdave!
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Is there any body in here talking?
Hi bigdave. ;D Have you introduced yourself in the foyer?
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Hello maggie hello andrea.soz for not introducing myself.i am david from glasgow.i am 38.
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Hi is jeremy bamber segregated from the rest of the prison population.
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Hello maggie hello andrea.soz for not introducing myself.i am david from glasgow.i am 38.
That's ok bigdave, would you mind going to the foyer on the home page and introducing yourself to the forum. Just a few words telling us why you are interested in the WHF murders. Thanks. :)
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Why have i went from newbie to junior member?
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Hi is jeremy bamber segregated from the rest of the prison population.
Hi Dave
Would you kindly go to the Foyer and introduce yourself please and, tell us what your stance on Jeremy Bamber please...Maggie has kindly requested this. Thank You. :) :) :) :)
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How do you do that patti?
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How do you do that patti?
The FOYER is above the Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion Dave! Clink on HOME at the top and you will see it....Good Luck... :) :) :) :)
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Im back did that patti.or at least i think i did.
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Im back did that patti.or at least i think i did.
You did Dave....thank you... :) :) :) :)
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Is jeremy bamber segregated in prison.like huntley and the rest.
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Is jeremy bamber segregated in prison.like huntley and the rest.
Welcome to the forum Dave. And no he is not segregated as far as I know? Could be wrong though?
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HMP Full Sutton is about 35 miles from here i think he is on a wing with other inmates, but i think he has his own space.
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HMP Full Sutton is about 35 miles from here i think he is on a wing with other inmates, but i think he has his own space.
Don't think there is much room for another in his cell mertol, as it's stacked with documents ;D ;D
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Don't think there is much room for another in his cell mertol, as it's stacked with documents ;D ;D
That it is maggie i understand from one corner to the other almost ceiling high, im suprised they permit the files i would have thought a fire hazzard they would be, i guess only a jobsworth will have other ideas.
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Im back.
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Im back.
have you been somewhere? :)
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Yes caroline went to answer phone.
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What part of the country are you in.
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What part of the country are you in.
Caroline lives in the part next to the pub on the corner...lol :) :) :)
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That it is maggie i understand from one corner to the other almost ceiling high, im suprised they permit the files i would have thought a fire hazzard they would be, i guess only a jobsworth will have other ideas.
I know mertol. makes you wonder why they allow this, you would expect it would be seen as a fire hazard.
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Im going to get a sticker for my ferrari that say's my other cars a lada lol.
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Im going to get a sticker for my ferrari that say's my other cars a lada lol.
AND??
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And what maggie?
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Well am I supposed to be impressed by the ferrari or the down market lada why should I care? Will either of them change Jeremy Bambers life ?
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No just a joke maggie.i drive a skoda a bmw.do you know jeremy?
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No just a joke maggie.i drive a skoda a bmw.do you know jeremy?
No I don't know Jeremy. I dont believe.he's guilty either. :)
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Caroline lives in the part next to the pub on the corner...lol :) :) :)
Two pubs Patti, two pubs!! ;D ;D
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What part of the country you in maggie?
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Fish and Chips.............
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Escuse me, but what has all this rubbish got to do with the topic "Killer dies in jail"?
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Escuse me, but what has all this rubbish got to do with the topic "Killer dies in jail"?
Just wondering that myself,,Lugg.
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Were are you in the country.
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Lugg?
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Can we stick to the topic in the subject line please. Thank you.
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Hello patti morning.
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I heard there are 10500 people live in tolleshunt d'arcy.according to wikipedia.is that true.
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Hello patti morning.
Morning Dave. Have you found your way around yet? Would you please stick to the topics. Its just not cricket to keep asking people where they live... :) :) :) :) :)
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If the eatons own and lease whf .who owns it.and who owns 9 head street now?
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The killer butler died in jail.roy hall. He was scottish.
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If the eatons own and lease whf .who owns it.and who owns 9 head street now?
I had heard that it belonged to the church.
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I had heard that it belonged to the church.
WHF,,that is.
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Ive seen the photos of. Head street in archives is it the pink house jeremy lived in?
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Ive seen some of the houses in tolleshunt d'arcy.and gold hanger they are not exactly skint in that area are they.
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Ive seen some of the houses in tolleshunt d'arcy.and gold hanger they are not exactly skint in that area are they.
Doesn't mean a thing,BD. Big headaches go with big priced houses,,maintenance if they're Graded buildings,,Council Tax and the usual Utility bills,,,so you'd have to work hard for the upkeep of them.
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Nobody seems to b talking in hear.
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Because it doesn't refer to the case in hand,,,which is about Jeremy Bamber.
Other threads contain all aspects of the case.
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No sympathy from me either, I believe it refers to a murderer who killed his former partner and their child from Braintree and He was given a thirty year sentence last year at Chelmsford Crown Court. I understand He took His own life and that was His intention when He killed His Family.
I have no sympathy for him either however I wished that he had spent longer in prison before his death. Apparently he died of natural causes, and was supposed to have cancer. In November of last year, the Court of Appeal refused to quash the whole-life sentence on him. What I found interesting was that he made an attempt on his own life after the shootings, shooting himself in the neck/face area and survived.
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Just got locked out had to get housing association to change locks.
Why? You could just get back in through a window without causing any damage.
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maybe dave1975 lives in a high rise flat ;D ;D ;D
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No reader i live in a tenement sandstone.
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That guy giovani de stefano is a fake lawyer lol.
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No reader i live in a tenement sandstone.
Wow bigdave some of those sandstone tenements are amazing ;D ;D
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9 head street has just sold recently.and the house now is pink.quite ironic considering he was called a poof.you can see photos of it on zoopla.
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Maggie not if you lock yourself out ;D
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My house is worth £350.000.
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Maggie not if you lock yourself out ;D
Very true Susie. byeeeexxxx
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I would love to buy the farm house from whf.and live in it.i bet its haunted.you could get a medium or a psychic.
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Mystic meg lol.
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wow bigdave must be some pad you have there ;D ;D ;D
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Just been reading about this case and I must say I am glad the bastard is dead. It was cruelty beyond belief, what the pair of them inflicted on that poor little girl and for what and why...What bloody harm could she have done to them....Good riddens and give the two that killed him a medal...
He got a minimum sentence of 23 years and his wife got 8 years..I can't say what I feel about the poor mite mother, for fear of losing my manners...again!!!!!!
Regardless of protection wings etc if another prisoner/s wants to get you they will get you, its all just a matter of timing. There are a lot of lifers in prison who have nothing to lose as they know they are not getting released, so they wouldnt think twice of killing someone like Subham Anwar.
From what I've heard, the majority of prisoners believe in JB's innocence. I believe this to be true, otherwise he would be dead by now.
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Hi oncesaid I agree with you as child killers are not taken too kindly to in prison and certain prisoners would go out of their way to kill you.
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bigdave whf could well be haunted. Stick to your sandstone tenement in Glasgow ;D
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No reader I live in a tenement sandstone.
I'm not sure what that is, but presumably it has windows. If you are double-glazed, it might be easier to get in through the front door if all the windows were locked, but most people don't lock every window. Most front doors can be opened without causing damage.
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reader I assume a sandstone tenement could have several floors and bigdave is on the top floor better to enter by the door if you can especially if you can't stand heights ;D
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Perhaps, but it's a bit misleading to say that you live in a £350,000 house if you just have the top floor in it.
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I have three floors but the neighbours are on the ground floor.its a weird set up.
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reader bigdave will have two floors and some of these refurbished tenements are now worth a fortune this is why the housing associations buy them and rent them out to young men about town for a massive rent ;D
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He's just said he has three floors. That suggests a lot of windows that were all closed or inaccessible to a ladder. If he lives alone, that's a large property for just one person. If he doesn't live alone, wouldn't there be another set of keys in the possession of another occupant?
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I would love to buy the farm house from whf.and live in it.i bet its haunted.you could get a medium or a psychic.
I think it should have been flattened. Why would anyone want to live there?
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Hi reader the tenement will have three floors but he will only live on one floor which will have kitchen living room bedroom and bathroom that is the norm and if he lives on the top floor would need a firemans ladder to access through the windows so sticks to the door ;D ;D ;D All the windows would be closed I would suspect ;)
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Whf is listed you cant pull it down.
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Oncesaid I could never live in a house where such a dreadful tragedy had occurred it would haunt me daily inspite of taking in a medium :(
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Quite cleaver how you know how my house is laid out.i have. 6 bedrooms.and two batjrooms as i have two wife and eight kids.
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Mediums are evil they are of the devil.it tells you in the quran.
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wow you must have the whole tenement to yourself to house your family now I know why it is worth £350.000 must be a super house.
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Only joking.
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Hi bigdave I knew that as you Glasgow folk have a wicked sense of humour my bestest friend is from Glasgow and keeps me entertained all day when we are walking ;D ;D ;D
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Only joking.
Okay. A typical window-cleaner's ladder would reach the top floor without difficulty. Were all the windows closed? Did anyone else have keys? Did the main entrance door (for the floors you used) automatically deadlock when it closed? Could it be key-operated from the inside?
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Only joking.
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I do have have a big house hough.
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bigdave please tell Reader why you did not use a ladder and climb in through the windows instead of breaking the lock on the door he really wants to know ;D
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Hi i did not have a ladder.
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And you never had the windows cleaned? In any case, was there a window open (or easily openable once a ladder was available)?
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bigdave top answer 10 out 0f 10 ;D ;D ;D
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I clean my windows from the inside they flip round.
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Was one of the windows open when you were locked out? (Your local window cleaner could reach it.) You seem reluctant to say.
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bigdave1975, why do you keep asking where people live? I don´t think it sits well with anyone.