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OTHER HIGH PROFILE CASES => Other cases => Topic started by: Patti on October 18, 2012, 11:14:AM
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South Yorkshire police are to travel to island of Kos to examine a mound of earth close to where Ben went missing.
http://news.sky.com/story/999208/missing-ben-needham-new-search-in-greece
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are i had almost forgotten about this case.
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Hi nugnug little Ben Needham disappearing from outside his grandparents home in broad daylight must be 23 or 24 years ago now. :(
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Saw this on this news tonight. I hope that if he is dead that he is found so that his mother gets closure, though she still believes him to be alive. Really sad :(
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I think this is one of the saddest possible break throughs in any case. In all the time and in various documentaries over the years I have always felt that Bens mum had taken some solace in believeing him to be alive but being brought up by other adults. If the worst was to happen i fear she must be brought back to those early days again and the failure of the police to locate him at any stage over the years is a blatant failure of theirs.
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how could this mound of earth have not been noticed before.
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I think a 1 year old has had either an accident/murdered or been abducted. This mound has never been examined...I hope for Kerry sake they find nothing...... ???
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I think this search will be interesting. When you look at it, just like we did in the April Jones case. We have a remote place off the beaten track and child abducted. How rare is that? Very rare indeed. I think South Yorkshire police are right to investigate, for it could have been an accident that no one knew what happened at the time........If it's not the case then I feel Kerry will continue with her world search for her son....
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how could this mound of earth have not been noticed before.
The mound of earth wasn't there on the day Ben went missing. The area where the mound is now was searched, but it was searched in the dark with torches. Sometime after, (not sure how long after), the mound of earth was placed in that area.
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but i doubt if a mound of earth would of just stayed the untouched for all those years i find it hard to believe it is that old.
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how could this mound of earth have not been noticed before.
Several articles say the mound wasn't there on the day, but Bens mum says the mound was there on the day he went missing
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/10/19/ben-needham-kos-search_n_1984719.html?ncid=GEP
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but i doubt if a mound of earth would of just stayed the untouched for all those years i find it hard to believe it is that old.
It would have been left at the time as a mound of earth, then nature takes over and it would then blend into the landscape.
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Do you guy's think they will find anything? ???
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Update from yesterday. The police searching for Ben have shifted the mound of earth and reduced it at ground level. The police are sifting the dirt and have found small items from a car that is thought to be one of the cars that Ben had with him on the day he went missing. However, they have to prove this of course....They have also found other toys in the same vicinity, along with animal bones.....There is on anthropologist on site.
Kerry has now returned to Kos, but wont be visiting the place where her son went missing 21 years ago. She gave an emotional plea for help yesterday and had to held by her mother...Kerry was shaking and she said that her this has made her family stronger and she will continue to find her son....
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Latest update reveals no trace of Ben. The UK police are on their way home and no further to finding him after 23 years...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223601/Still-sign-Ben-Needham-police-team-finish-digging-operation-Greek-island-Kos.html
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Hi Patti
I have always thought little Ben Needham was taken and sold to a childless couple and as he was so young he will have accepted his life as it is now and love his parents who ever they are. My heart goes out to his birth Mother who will never be at peace till she knows where little Ben went. The poor woman got no help from the Greek Authorities or anybody if it comes to that she was out on her own trying to find her child. Total disgrace.
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Hi Patti
I have always thought little Ben Needham was taken and sold to a childless couple and as he was so young he will have accepted his life as it is now and love his parents who ever they are. My heart goes out to his birth Mother who will never be at peace till she knows where little Ben went. The poor woman got no help from the Greek Authorities or anybody if it comes to that she was out on her own trying to find her child. Total disgrace.
Hi Susan, she has remained strong throughout. I am pleased they haven't found anything, it puts her mind at rest that he wasn't involved in any sort of accident at least. I hope you right Susan. :( ??? ???
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Hi Patti I think Ben was just at the right age to be taken and given a new identity and he will be a young man now of 24/25 and will have accepted his life as it is, Now little Maddie was that bit older and she would remember who her Mummy was so that could be a different matter all together does not bare thinking about,
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Who or what was the reason that this search was done now, after all these years?
It doesn't seem to be Ben's mum that pushed for the search to be carried out, so who was it and why now?
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Who or what was the reason that this search was done now, after all these years?
It doesn't seem to be Ben's mum that pushed for the search to be carried out, so who was it and why now?
Oncesaid......... Apparently the owner of the house and land has recently passed away,so I guess they took the opportunity to search whilst it was unoccupied.
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Ben's mother lives in hope that she will see him again; consider the LEGAL KIDNAPPINGS!
The social services snatch children and threaten that they will NEVER BE RETURNED !
This maybe be ok in genuine cases. But many are not, Remember the Websters; one of their 3 small children broke a limb so the authorities took all 3 kids and put them up for adoption. They were told that they will never see them again!! Later , it was found that the child had BRITTLE BONE DECEASE. The Social people apologised," but you will never see your kids again"
I know that there are other such cases
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haughton yes Ben Needham's Mother has had a life of torture not knowing where her baby went and if he is happy and well and she will never be at peace with herself. I have watched with horror where in some instances the Social Services have removed children from their parents and have had them adopted and the parents are not even allowed to see them in most instances they got it wrong but too late to put the matter right. The children that should have been removed are left and starved or beaten to death. They have alot to answer for.
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Kerry Needham returned to Kos on the 10th December to appeal again on a show "Light at the End of the Tunnel" for her missing son that disappeared in 1991.
A woman then contacted the show who was on holiday in Kos 1995. A photo was taken of a fair haired boy Corinthia, west of Athens . The woman became friends with another woman, who said the boy was not her biological son but had been bought for 800,000 drachmas - worth about 12-15,000 Euros in today's money.
http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/update/2012-12-10/is-this-ben-needham/
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Greek police are to do a DNA test on a young man living in the Roma camp who is thought to look like the enhanced image of Ben Needham.
Please let us have some good news.....
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Patti we will pray for good news as Ben's poor Mother Kerry has waited so long to find her baby. Lets hope it is not a false alarm.
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Patti we will pray for good news as Ben's poor Mother Kerry has waited so long to find her baby. Lets hope it is not a false alarm.
We can hope Susie eh? I shall ask whoever hears me for help.... :) :) :) :)
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He'll be with the Romanys'.
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Patti you will always have somebody to help you that is for sure in what form I cannot say ;D ;D ;D ;D I guess in whatever form you believe in ;D
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Patti you will always have somebody to help you that is for sure in what form I cannot say ;D ;D ;D ;D I guess in whatever form you believe in ;D
I sure need it at times....I think we all do. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Thank you Susie :-*
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He'll be with the Romanys'.
A young man was having his DNA checked. He's from a Roma camp. Also images and a video will be available quite soon. Todays news.
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A young man was having his DNA checked. He's from a Roma camp. Also images and a video will be available quite soon. Todays news.
Keep your fingers crossed,,this could be Ben.
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This young guy was with 3 other young Roma men attending a church service in Limassol,Cyprus. It's believed that Ben fled Greece in case he had to join the army,,and this latest sighting is very significant,according to officials. Bens' mother and grandmother are in Cyprus to find out this latest news.
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This young guy was with 3 other young Roma men attending a church service in Limassol,Cyprus. It's believed that Ben fled Greece in case he had to join the army,,and this latest sighting is very significant,according to officials. Bens' mother and grandmother are in Cyprus to find out this latest news.
Hope so Lookout we have everything crossed in Sheffield.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I think Ben is mid 20's now so surely if he's still alive, especially with recent press coverage, he would wonder why he looked so different from those bringing him up :-\
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Hope so Lookout we have everything crossed in Sheffield.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Patti,,he was described as being fair-haired with blue eyes and about 20-25.
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He has light brown hair. There is a grainy image of him in the church on the Mirror website.
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Hi tyler I have been looking at the photo not very clear wonder if it is Ben would be wonderful if it was to give Kerry peace of mind. Susanxx
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He has light brown hair. There is a grainy image of him in the church on the Mirror website.
Saw that tyler and tried to post the link but it wouldn't let me for some reason ?????
How fantastic if it is him and they are able to find him.. It won't be straight forward though as his mum will be a stranger to him but at least she will know he is alive and hopefully happy but why take a little boy??
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Hi Susan/Tyler
I think Ben probably had a fatal accident and came off the back of his uncle's moped. The uncle, only a teenager, probably panicked and disposed of Ben's body :( I have no evidence for this just a gut feeling. Hope it doesn't offend anyone.
Love 'n' hugs. NN xx
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Hi N/N welcome back nice nun. I have read this could have happened to Ben but his Mother is clinging onto the fact that he is still alive which I guess I can understand. It would be wonderful if he was found.xxx
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Hi N/N welcome back nice nun. I have read this could have happened to Ben but his Mother is clinging onto the fact that he is still alive which I guess I can understand. It would be wonderful if he was found.xxx
Hi Susan
I'm always nice really :)
Yes I agree. It must be awful not knowing.
Someone pointed out about Maddie's age related image and wondered what Kate would like without the anguish etched on her face. I thought the poor woman resembled a stroke victim when I saw her on the recent Crimewatch prog :(
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Sadly,,the DNA isn't that of missing Ben. Another blow for the family. Roma camps should be scoured to test all fair haired young men,,because if Ben's around,,he won't know who he is after all this time.
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Hi lookout I am so sad to hear that I was really hoping that Kerry was going to be reunited with her lovely boy at long last she has suffered such torment for so long and she will be devasted by the news :(
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Hi lookout I am so sad to hear that I was really hoping that Kerry was going to be reunited with her lovely boy at long last she has suffered such torment for so long and she will be devasted by the news :(
Hi Susan,,,I really feel for her. Her insides must feel as though theyre torn to shreds,,poor woman. He's got to be out there somewhere,,as Kerry has said from the start,that she's convinced that the gypsies took him.
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Sadly as I anticipated the DNA tests proved negative.
There seems to be a basic lack of understanding re biology ie it's possible and happens quite often that children share completely different physical characteristics compared to those of their parents and wider family.
It's also sad that there appears to be a perception that gypsies, Romas, travellers, call them what you will, abduct babies/small children for profit. I'm not aware of any evidence to support this? There's a world of difference between nicking stuff and abducting babies/small children. Bit like saying JB nicked a few hundred quid from the family firm therefore it's indicative of a propensity towards crime and the murder of his family.
Thinking about it I can't ever recall seeing or hearing about the above group involved in serious crime? They seem to me to be quite family orientated and come from close knit communities not usually a breeding ground for child abduction. I would expect to see higher levels of empathy in such a group leading to less harm to others not more.
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Sadly as I anticipated the DNA tests proved negative.
There seems to be a basic lack of understanding re biology ie it's possible and happens quite often that children share completely different physical characteristics compared to those of their parents and wider family.
It's also sad that there appears to be a perception that gypsies, Romas, travellers, call them what you will, abduct babies/small children for profit. I'm not aware of any evidence to support this? There's a world of difference between nicking stuff and abducting babies/small children. Bit like saying JB nicked a few hundred quid from the family firm therefore it's indicative of a propensity towards crime and the murder of his family.
Thinking about it I can't ever recall seeing or hearing about the above group involved in serious crime? They seem to me to be quite family orientated and come from close knit communities not usually a breeding ground for child abduction. I would expect to see higher levels of empathy in such a group leading to less harm to others not more.
Hi NN :)
Each natural child will have 10 alleles from each parent. In Ben's case they have his DNA. They was able to get it from the hospital where he was born....the same hospital I was born in and my son.
I actually feel sorry for the Roma families who fled their own Country to live else where in Europe. They were tagged as being thieves and live in appalling conditions with no education or prospects. Its a life they have chosen, but they get no help from the Countries they live in. Maybe this needs addressing. :) :) :) :)
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New Hope for Kerry and her family as they appeal on Greek TV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=487-JAc1i8A
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New Hope for Kerry and her family as they appeal on Greek TV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=487-JAc1i8A
Patti just been watching it on TV that poor woman has looked for that child for over 22 years I do hope he is found she will then be at peace within herself. :(
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Patti just been watching it on TV that poor woman has looked for that child for over 22 years I do hope he is found she will then be at peace within herself. :(
I hope so to Susan.
They are saying they have a dramatic new lead.
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I hope so to Susan.
They are saying they have a dramatic new lead.
Patti lets hope so she seems to have been given false hope so manytimes in the past :(
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yes i heard that as well hopefully its true.
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I'm also hoping that something does come of this latest lead. That poor family haven't had any sort of a life since the child was taken. I wonder if he's ever realised that he's " different " and that's the reason he'd come forward,otherwise,how would a 21month old know/remember at the time he was taken ?
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I'm also hoping that something does come of this latest lead. That poor family haven't had any sort of a life since the child was taken. I wonder if he's ever realised that he's " different " and that's the reason he'd come forward,otherwise,how would a 21month old know/remember at the time he was taken ?
lookout what is the new lead I cannot get sound on the You Tube :'(
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lookout what is the new lead I cannot get sound on the You Tube :'(
Because Bens family appealed on television,it sparked a few enquiries,which police are studying,as because last year,the DNA of a young man thought to be Ben,turned out negative for a match.
I haven't seen the video as yet but presumably it's about the appeal that went out on a missing persons programme,in Greece. Ben's family are out there at the moment. Poor things,all this time their lives in limbo,because there's no way you'd be able to put your mind to anything in case you missed the slightest bit of news,or a phone call. I can't imagine their pain.
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Just watched the short video,Susan and it would appear that a young man's DNA is being tested. Well hear soon enough one way or the other.
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Just watched the short video,Susan and it would appear that a young man's DNA is being tested. Well hear soon enough one way or the other.
Thanks for that lookout. Fingers crossed :)
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Thanks for that lookout. Fingers crossed :)
Ben would have to know,or realise that he's " different " in some way,in order to come forward in the first place ?
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I find it hard to believe Ben had been abducted. There were just too many adults around-both grandparents,Uncles Danny and Stephen and the owner of the house they were renovating,Michaelis Kypreos. I don't think Ben just wandered off in the 104 degree July heat,and anyway the grandparents say they could see Ben through the door onto the terrace where he was playing.
It's possible Stephen gave Ben a ride on his motorcycle at 2-30pm that afternoon as he had done on previous days and Ben fell off. Stephen under hypnosis several years later says he has visions of Ben dead and buried with a spade. Maybe he panicked and has kept the secret for all these years. https://youtu.be/igIsNj5AInc
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I find it hard to believe Ben had been abducted. There were just too many adults around-both grandparents,Uncles Danny and Stephen and the owner of the house they were renovating,Michaelis Kypreos. I don't think Ben just wandered off in the 104 degree July heat,and anyway the grandparents say they could see Ben through the door onto the terrace where he was playing.
It's possible Stephen gave Ben a ride on his motorcycle at 2-30pm that afternoon as he had done on previous days and Ben fell off. Stephen under hypnosis several years later says he has visions of Ben dead and buried with a spade. Maybe he panicked and has kept the secret for all these years. https://youtu.be/igIsNj5AInc
I tend to agree with you Steve. I hope I'm wrong but it has never really rung true to me. I feel really bad saying this because I obviously don't know but have always suspected Ben is dead. :-\
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Nothing's impossible but would there have been time for a hole to be dug in the time they realised he was missing (unless the family was in on it)? The ground looks tough to dig but I'm not dismissing it. I'd have thought if he fell, his body would have been recovered but it seems the farm house was remote so I wonder how the family could have been followed and then Ben kidnapped.
I do know the toddlers round here move extremely fast, so as I say I wouldn't rule anything out.
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Nothing's impossible but would there have been time for a hole to be dug in the time they realised he was missing (unless the family was in on it)? The ground looks tough to dig but I'm not dismissing it. I'd have thought if he fell, his body would have been recovered but it seems the farm house was remote so I wonder how the family could have been followed and then Ben kidnapped.
I do know the toddlers round here move extremely fast, so as I say I wouldn't rule anything out.
Jo I have had the same thoughts myself. To dig a grave for little Ben without the grandparents knowing would have been nigh impossible I think. Unless the little guy wandered off and was taken. It is all so sad. Did I not read a JCB was working in the area and the little guy may have been killed accidently by going to close when it was working. :(
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Morning all
I was looking around on he net yesterday and found the first news report on our local TV news station.
It appears there were construction workers at the remote house, but I don't know how many of them were there at the time Ben went missing. I do find it odd that Ben just disappeared within one minute of going outside. I doubt the family were being watched in such a remote place or that a child could have been seen from the road...Its a mystery.
If you look at the video there is an interview with one of the neighnours at Norfolk Park where she says that Ben used to knock on her door and would take her hand and walk with her. I was a bit shocked that Ben would be allowed out at such a young age...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-VWLhqC6t8
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Morning Patti,
In view of the way the child was allowed to have gone along with the neighbour,I too was shocked to hear that and points me to the way the McCanns were vilified ??
Ben was a baby in comparison and you don't let babies out of your sight. Yes,shocked,and surprised too.Whether remote or not,it shouldn't have happened.
Sadly,with both the McCanns and the Needhams,it's been a question of guilt that they've brought the subjects up over the years.
I'm not saying that you wouldn't go to the ends of the earth looking,of course you would,but I think more so if you'd felt at fault.
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Morning Patti,
In view of the way the child was allowed to have gone along with the neighbour,I too was shocked to hear that and points me to the way the McCanns were vilified ??
Ben was a baby in comparison and you don't let babies out of your sight. Yes,shocked,and surprised too.Whether remote or not,it shouldn't have happened.
Sadly,with both the McCanns and the Needhams,it's been a question of guilt that they've brought the subjects up over the years.
I'm not saying that you wouldn't go to the ends of the earth looking,of course you would,but I think more so if you'd felt at fault.
Hi Lookout
Of course, you would look forever for your child. I know I would never give up. Blame must be an enormous burden. "Why did I not think to have my children safe by my side", must be felt by both sets of parents.
Trouble is it could happen to any of us...you turn your head for a few minutes and they are gone, like the toddler on the beach in Portugal....where Amaral said he had drowned in the sea, but he was taken....Children can be snatched from home like Elizabeth Short and there was an incident where a child was snatched from her own bath here in England....
Preditors are out there and they operate all over the world in my opinion.... Someone must know the truth Lookout. :(
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Hi Lookout
Of course, you would look forever for your child. I know I would never give up. Blame must be an enormous burden. "Why did I not think to have my children safe by my side", must be felt by both sets of parents.
Trouble is it could happen to any of us...you turn your head for a few minutes and they are gone, like the toddler on the beach in Portugal....where Amaral said he had drowned in the sea, but he was taken....Children can be snatched from home like Elizabeth Short and there was an incident where a child was snatched from her own bath here in England....
Preditors are out there and they operate all over the world in my opinion.... Someone must know the truth Lookout. :(
Patti it horrifies me the amount of children who are stolen. More so now than ever before. A few years ago,a friend and I were on the beach at Blanes/Spain, and a distraught little girl came to us crying for her mummy. Both my friend and I gathered up our stuff and walked up and down the beach with this child what seemed like ages,until we saw the poor demented mother near the sea thinking that the child may have wandered into the water.
I was absolutely furious at the time that the woman hadn't kept an eye on the little girl ( Amy ) and between my fury and the womans hysterics,there was quite a gathering that had surrounded us. However,I was glad it was me that the child came to,because I felt quite sick afterwards thinking what might have been. It's an horrendous and frightening feeling when there are hoards of people around.
To be honest,I could have hit the woman ;D ;D ;D but for her having been hysterical,I thought better of it.
I've thought about this woman when I read about children being taken,or missing.She was so distraught that day,it was awful to see,and I was vexed because of what could have happened. It doesn't bear thinking about what these parents go through.
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The latest on the DNA testing of a man who came forward in the Ben Needham case is an imposter.
I hope he gets charged with wasting time and also further dampening the spirits of the family.I don't understand why people do this sort of thing knowing that they're not who they say they are. Cranks !
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The latest on the DNA testing of a man who came forward in the Ben Needham case is an imposter.
I hope he gets charged with wasting time and also further dampening the spirits of the family.I don't understand why people do this sort of thing knowing that they're not who they say they are. Cranks !
Unless you know more, isn't that a little harsh? I have no idea of what was happening around me when I was the age of Ben when he disappeared. WAS he deliberately wasting police time OR did he genuinely wonder, for reasons we don't know about, if he'd been a "changeling"? We could say that ANY male of the right sort of age is a Ben imposter but in most cases, doing DNA tests of any who may come forward, may be the only way to elliminate them.
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Unless you know more, isn't that a little harsh? I have no idea of what was happening around me when I was the age of Ben when he disappeared. WAS he deliberately wasting police time OR did he genuinely wonder, for reasons we don't know about, if he'd been a "changeling"? We could say that ANY male of the right sort of age is a Ben imposter but in most cases, doing DNA tests of any who may come forward, may be the only way to elliminate them.
According to the news,the man was an imposter,as I imagine there'll be a few, for whatever reason the appeal brings them forward.It doesn't state anything else other than he was an imposter. Nothing about him having been dumped at birth or anything,but then again,how would anyone know,from a baby,whether they'd been stolen or not ? A baby of 21 months at the time wouldn't remember so aren't likely to come forward unless they now have that knowledge.
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"Detectives believe they may have received the vital phone call that will help them solve the 24-year mystery of missing toddler Ben Needham.
British officers yesterday spoke of the “exciting” calls which came flooding in after they appeared on Greece’s hugely popular version of Crimewatch.
Police have now received 85 calls and emails from Greek nationals, including seven ‘interesting’ leads.
Some callers suggested they were Ben, who would now be 25. Others said they knew who Ben was.
Afterwards Ben’s gran Christine, 62, said: “I think in all those calls there is the magic one. I’m so excited.”
Another was a claim about what might have happened in the very early days on the Greek island of Kos."
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I hope there is a lead, but I remain doubtful. I really hope I am wrong,
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I would remain hopeful,the same as I do with Madeleine McCann,as nothing otherwise has been reported. There is always that gleam of hope.
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I would remain hopeful,the same as I do with Madeleine McCann,as nothing otherwise has been reported. There is always that gleam of hope.
I just have this gut feeling Lookout that something is not right, :'(
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I just have this gut feeling Lookout that something is not right, :'(
You mean in the sense that the little chap is no longer with us ?