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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: mike tesko on September 27, 2012, 10:17:AM
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Two events involving two different police officers, involving two different identical parker hale silencers, carried out 15 days apart, is capable of proving once and for all, that the silencer evidence was/is dodgy, and that different silencers were merged into one...
29th August 1985 - DI "Ron" Cook, dismantled one of the silencers, separating crucial baffle plates at the top end of the silencer, and does not report seeing any blood, or finding a small flek of dried blood between any of the first six baffle plates, top washer and or metal end cap. Cook took photographs of this exercise and by reference to them you can see that on this date there was/is no blood in the silencer at this stage. Cook then rebuilt the silencer and then screwed it directly onto the contaminated barrell of the anshulz rifle. On the following day (30th August) Cook sent the rebuilt silencer he had dismantled and screwed onto the barrell of the rifle, along with the rifle, and the photographs he had taken, to the ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher, together with a hand written note addressed to Fletcher which basically said, "this is the Bamber rifle and silencer I was talking to you about"...
Fletcher dismantled the silencer again, on 12th September 1985, at which stage the crucial flek of dried blood ( A, EAP BA, AK1 and HP 2-1) first appeared...
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Two events involving two different police officers, involving two different identical parker hale silencers, carried out 15 days apart, is capable of proving once and for all, that the silencer evidence was/is dodgy, and that different silencers were merged into one...
29th August 1985 - DI "Ron" Cook, dismantled one of the silencers, separating crucial baffle plates at the top end of the silencer, and does not report seeing any blood, or finding a small flek of dried blood between any of the first six baffle plates, top washer and or metal end cap. Cook took photographs of this exercise and by reference to them you can see that on this date there was/is no blood in the silencer at this stage. Cook then rebuilt the silencer and then screwed it directly onto the contaminated barrell of the anshulz rifle. On the following day (30th August) Cook sent the rebuilt silencer he had dismantled and screwed onto the barrell of the rifle, along with the rifle, and the photographs he had taken, to the ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher, together with a hand written note addressed to Fletcher which basically said, "this is the Bamber rifle and silencer I was talking to you about"...
Fletcher dismantled the silencer again, on 12th September 1985, at which stage the crucial flek of dried blood ( A, EAP BA, AK1 and HP 2-1) first appeared...
Key features about this silencer, was/is that Sheila's blood got into the silencer by a process of contamination, when Cook screwed the rebuilt silencer onto the barrell of the rifle which was previously photographed against Sheila Caffells bloodstained neck. Also, that this silencer was retained by DI "Ron" Cook throughout the period that DS Jones had handed it (SBJ/1) to him after finding it at the scene on 7th August 1985, along with three other exhibits, SBJ/2, SBJ/3, and SBJ/4. This silencer (SBJ/1) was never kept on DCI "Taff" Jones desk, and was at the lab from 30th August 1985 to beyond 20th September 1985, being examined by various experts, including ballistics, blood and biology, so it could not be the same identical parker hale silencer that Ann Eaton handed to DC Oakey on 11th September 1985, after her brother, David Boutflour had phoned the police to tell them there had been a mix up when Peter Eaton had handed over the other silencer a month previously...
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This silencer could not have been the same silencer which on 13th September 1985, had been given to DS Eastwood and DS Davidson, for them to fingerprint it, and it could not be, and was not the same silencer which the police sent to the lab' (25th September 1985) to be checked for blood and fibres, because one of the silencers (SBJ/1) had already been at the lab' since 30th August 1985, so how could it have been resent to the lab' again on 25th September 1985?
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According to the official version of events, DS Eastwood never had anything at all to with the silencer sent to the lab' on 30th August 1985, which led to the discovery of the crucial flek of dried blood being found inside it, yet the signatures of the relatives and DS Eastwood appear on the self same exhibit label marked DRB/1...
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There should be another police investigation held into these matters...
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Good Morning to one and all Just checking that you are all awake or is my laptop frozen in time :)
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Jury never knew about the two exercises carried out by Cook and Fletcher (who dismantled the same silencer on two different occasions, and that there was no flek of dried blood on the first occasion when Cook did it), nor did the jury know that Cook and PC Whiddon had both screwed a silencer onto the barrell of the same rifle...
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There should be another police investigation held into these matters...
It is crazy Mike that this conviction stands and the CCRC are resisting looking again at the evidence. If Simon McKay has been able to show beyond reasonable doubt, that there is a question mark over the fact that the moderator was used and therefore over all the evidence linked to it, surely there is only one answer and surely that is to go back to the Appeal Court All the arguments about who did what and found which moderator where, are null and void apart from in the eyes of the people who blindly believe Jeremy guilty for whatever reason imo
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It is crazy Mike that this conviction stands and the CCRC are resisting looking again at the evidence. If Simon McKay has been able to show beyond reasonable doubt, that there is a question mark over the fact that the moderator was used and therefore over all the evidence linked to it, surely there is only one answer and surely that is to go back to the Appeal Court All the arguments about who did what and found which moderator where, are null and void apart from in the eyes of the people who blindly believe Jeremy guilty for whatever reason imo
I agree...
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I agree...
So do I!
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Gosh, Caroline!!! Is it really you? I thought the place was deserted :) :) :) :)
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It has taken a considerabke amount of time, to be able to fathom out what the police did, what the relatives did, and what was done at the lab' relating to all these different looking identical silencers, on different occasions under separate exhibit references, which were all merged into one silencer, containing the blood and paint evidence - with a view to proving or trying to show that Sheila Caffell could not have killed herself...
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Hi april and now here I am :)
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It has taken a considerabke amount of time, to be able to fathom out what the police did, what the relatives did, and what was done at the lab' relating to all these different looking identical silencers, on different occasions under separate exhibit references, which were all merged into one silencer, containing the blood and paint evidence - with a view to proving or trying to show that Sheila Caffell could not have killed herself...
I'm sure it has Mike and now it seems possibly all a tissue of lies and presumption. Waste of everyone's time but of course particularly Jeremy's. It's, almost, beyond belief. imo
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It has taken a considerabke amount of time, to be able to fathom out what the police did, what the relatives did, and what was done at the lab' relating to all these different looking identical silencers, on different occasions under separate exhibit references, which were all merged into one silencer, containing the blood and paint evidence - with a view to proving or trying to show that Sheila Caffell could not have killed herself...
Were there NO relatives who liked Jeremy Bamber? Wow! that sucks. :(
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Hey Susan. I guess now we can call ourselves a group!!!
Mike, well done. I know that HUGE amounts of time and energy have gone into what you've done. Fingers crossed it does what you want it to.
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Were there NO relatives who liked Jeremy Bamber? Wow! that sucks. :(
Lugg, I feel it was more to do with the fact that Jeremy wasn't truly "family" because he was adopted. I don't think, for one moment that Nevill and June thought of him in that way, but the bottom line, IMO, was that the "real" family couldn't bear the thought of what they saw as being theirs, going outside of "family".
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Lugg, I feel it was more to do with the fact that Jeremy wasn't truly "family" because he was adopted. I don't think, for one moment that Nevill and June thought of him in that way, but the bottom line, IMO, was that the "real" family couldn't bear the thought of what they saw as being theirs, going outside of "family".
Their attitude towards him does rather give that impression doesn't it? Not one seemed to doubt his guilt from a very early stage. Also I haven't read of one tear shed by the extended family other that JB? But rather when he cried himself it was seen by them as being "crocodile" tears. I wonder how one is supposed to cry given the tragic circumstances. Personally I would rather question their very "lack" of tears?
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Their attitude towards him does rather give that impression doesn't it? Not one seemed to doubt his guilt from a very early stage. Also I haven't read of one tear shed by the extended family other that JB? But rather when he cried himself it was seen by them as being "crocodile" tears. I wonder how one is supposed to cry given the tragic circumstances. Personally I would rather question their very "lack" of tears?
I would love £1 for every time I've been told "One doesn't make a public show of emotion"OR "Public displays of emotion are vulgar".
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Their attitude towards him does rather give that impression doesn't it? Not one seemed to doubt his guilt from a very early stage. Also I haven't read of one tear shed by the extended family other that JB? But rather when he cried himself it was seen by them as being "crocodile" tears. I wonder how one is supposed to cry given the tragic circumstances. Personally I would rather question their very "lack" of tears?
Actually, Ann Eaton did say that she cried the Tuesday after the deaths when she was talking on the phone about funeral arrangements. But that is the only mention of any kind of emotion that I remember.
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I don't think you can really expect to see references to the relatives crying in the statements, they weren't under suspicion. Here is what Ann Eaton said in 1991:
I told people to be strong for Jeremy's sake , but also for my own sake because if I saw too many people I would cry for the people I loved, and once I started I would not be able to sop crying...I found [David Boutflour] outside Aunt Connie Lugg's cottage about 50 yards from 9 Head Street. David was crying and in order to cheer him up I suggested that we go in and have a chat with Aunt Connie.
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I don't think you can really expect to see references to the relatives crying in the statements, they weren't under suspicion. Here is what Ann Eaton said in 1991:
I told people to be strong for Jeremy's sake , but also for my own sake because if I saw too many people I would cry for the people I loved, and once I started I would not be able to sop crying...I found [David Boutflour] outside Aunt Connie Lugg's cottage about 50 yards from 9 Head Street. David was crying and in order to cheer him up I suggested that we go in and have a chat with Aunt Connie.
Thank you for that Bridget.
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Police corruption was rife in the case of the Cardiff Three,in which the murder of a prostitute took place in 1988. I think it was about 9 officers who were charged with corruption in that case.
Similar to Jeremys',,,,, hidden documents/files. Paperwork which was told it had been destroyed,,,and wasn't.
Two of the innocent men who were charged with murder have since died. I doubt they ever got a pardon,,as the excuse is,when it comes to releasing those who've suffered an injustice,are usually released " on licence " !.