Jeremy Bamber Forum
JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Kaldin on February 17, 2011, 09:55:AM
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I've been reading a very long manuscript by David Shaw on Sleuthing for Justice, and it's actually very interesting.
Who is David Shaw? Has he had a book published?
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Which thread is that under on Sleuthing for Justice? I wouldn't mind taking a look at that myself. Can't help you with who he is though I'm afraid.
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Which thread is that under on Sleuthing for Justice? I wouldn't mind taking a look at that myself. Can't help you with who he is though I'm afraid.
It's ok I have found it myself.
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I've been reading a very long manuscript by David Shaw on Sleuthing for Justice, and it's actually very interesting.
Who is David Shaw? Has he had a book published?
Hi Kaldin,
How do I get on to "Sleuthing for Justice" or can David Shaw's manuscript be put on this site? Cheers
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I've been reading a very long manuscript by David Shaw on Sleuthing for Justice, and it's actually very interesting.
Who is David Shaw? Has he had a book published?
Hi Kaldin,
How do I get on to "Sleuthing for Justice" or can David Shaw's manuscript be put on this site? Cheers
you need to email them with a username and password and they will set up an account which you can then change the password on.
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I've been reading a very long manuscript by David Shaw on Sleuthing for Justice, and it's actually very interesting.
Who is David Shaw? Has he had a book published?
Hi Kaldin,
How do I get on to "Sleuthing for Justice" or can David Shaw's manuscript be put on this site? Cheers
you need to email them with a username and password and they will set up an account which you can then change the password on.
Thanks
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Thanks Kaldin for getting me hooked on this David Shaw manuscript :D
I have been reading for hours and am only about half way through
Do you think it could be David Shaw aka Mike Teskowski?
Actually I have a suspicion that Mike has been quoting from this document and not disclosing the fact that they are infact NOT his own words.
That is probably why I feel I have read certain parts word for word on this forum.
Of course if I am wrong then Mike you have my unreserved apology.
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Thanks Kaldin for getting me hooked on this David Shaw manuscript :D
I have been reading for hours and am only about half way through
Do you think it could be David Shaw aka Mike Teskowski?
Actually I have a suspicion that Mike has been quoting from this document and not disclosing the fact that they are infact NOT his own words.
That is probably why I feel I have read certain parts word for word on this forum.
Of course if I am wrong then Mike you have my unreserved apology.
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No problem - David Shaw is a very interesting Character - some of his friends worked on the case, attended the scene, provided inside information...
Wonder what exhibits some of the police involved in this sordid affair, retained in case they were ever prosecuted?
Interesting....
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Shaw's work is rather strange - it reads like a novel even though much of it is fact, and the evidence to support the account is mostly ignored; various details are not quite right. However, the description of the trial makes a good read. If it were published, a libel suit might result.
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Shaw's work is rather strange - it reads like a novel even though much of it is fact, and the evidence to support the account is mostly ignored; various details are not quite right. However, the description of the trial makes a good read. If it were published, a libel suit might result.
I agree that some details aren't quite right. A lot of it sounds a bit like the stuff that Mike has been saying.
I found it interesting because it followed the events in chronological order, which made it easy to follow, and it gave some insight into the personalities of the people involved - people like Stan Jones and Julie Mugford. I don't know how accurate it is though. Some conversations were reported as if he was there in the interviews.
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Can yuo give me a link to the text matey:)
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Can yuo give me a link to the text matey:)
You have to be a member to read it, but here's a link.
http://www.sleuthingforjustice.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=2445&sid=9a7b4fd25e5ca5e73f5e600e06cd1f65
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If you're not registered on the sleuthing site, try this link (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:jP4ZtW5Off0J:www.sleuthingforjustice.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D74%26t%3D2445&hl=en&gl=uk&strip=1) instead, which is a Google cache of it.
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If you're not registered on the sleuthing site, try this link (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:jP4ZtW5Off0J:www.sleuthingforjustice.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D74%26t%3D2445&hl=en&gl=uk&strip=1) instead, which is a Google cache of it.
Oh well done!
Hello by the way. I've seen you on Sleuthing for Justice. ;D
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I googled him some time ago and from what I can recall David Shaw (a pseudonym) is an Australian who wrote a book in the style of a novel which talked about the use of steroids, I think, in sport - in weight training? I'm sure he makes a mention of the book somewhere in the thread you are referring to. I think I found his book is on Amazon.com.
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The inner circle members, have the most to lose - if the truth ever comes out...
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Someone said a few months ago in a letter to an Essex paper, that if the truth is ever allowed to be told, Jeremy Bamber will walk out of prison a free man...
Have you got anymore on that?
I could send a letter in tomorrow saying the opposite...
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From what I can recall, David Shaw (a pseudonym) is an Australian who wrote a book in the style of a novel which talked about the use of steroids, I think, in sport - in weight training?
That sounds right. The book (a paperback) is Over The Edge (ISBN 0646330470), and is unavailable to buy, but you might find it in a library. Curiously, his publisher doesn't seem to have published any other book. Google finds some speculation (probably wrong) about his name. He has helped mike tesko, and his wording seems to have been used in mike tesko's posts occasionally, but I think he rejected out-of-hand some of mike tesko's speculations and mike tesko rarely mentions him now.
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From what I can recall, David Shaw (a pseudonym) is an Australian who wrote a book in the style of a novel which talked about the use of steroids, I think, in sport - in weight training?
That sounds right. The book (a paperback) is Over The Edge (ISBN 0646330470), and is unavailable to buy, but you might find it in a library. Curiously, his publisher doesn't seem to have published any other book. Google finds some speculation (probably wrong) about his name. He has helped mike tesko, and his wording seems to have been used in mike tesko's posts occasionally, but I think he rejected out-of-hand some of mike tesko's speculations and mike tesko rarely mentions him now.
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David Shaw and myself, agreed on many things, but there were some features of the case that we chose to agree, to disagree on....
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From what I can recall, David Shaw (a pseudonym) is an Australian who wrote a book in the style of a novel which talked about the use of steroids, I think, in sport - in weight training?
That sounds right. The book (a paperback) is Over The Edge (ISBN 0646330470), and is unavailable to buy, but you might find it in a library. Curiously, his publisher doesn't seem to have published any other book. Google finds some speculation (probably wrong) about his name. He has helped mike tesko, and his wording seems to have been used in mike tesko's posts occasionally, but I think he rejected out-of-hand some of mike tesko's speculations and mike tesko rarely mentions him now.
Spintex Publishing House who produced 'Over The Edge' specialise in self-publishing, also known as vanity publishing.
Everyone's got a story!
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Shaw's work is rather strange - it reads like a novel even though much of it is fact, and the evidence to support the account is mostly ignored; various details are not quite right. However, the description of the trial makes a good read. If it were published, a libel suit might result.
I agree that some details aren't quite right. A lot of it sounds a bit like the stuff that Mike has been saying.
I found it interesting because it followed the events in chronological order, which made it easy to follow, and it gave some insight into the personalities of the people involved - people like Stan Jones and Julie Mugford. I don't know how accurate it is though. Some conversations were reported as if he was there in the interviews.
I agree that the way some things are reported it is like he was actually there at the time. I think that is why I am finding it such a compelling read. Well worth checking out.
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David Shaw claims to quote a letter from Jim Carr (father of Met Officer Carr) to Robert Boutflour outlining a list of point he has raised with Essex Police on behalf of the family.
Many of them we are discussing here, but there were a few curiosities: (numbers as per leeter)
3) JB previously professed distaste for blood sports and rabbit shooting
4) The Registered letters
(To Barker, found by A/E 15/08?)
8) The TV programme I spoke to you about
10) Leaving Australia in a hurry
Does anyone have any info on any of the points raised?
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"the tv programme i spoke to you about" mmmmmmm wonder what all thats about?
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Should have added - this letter pre-dates JB's arrest... according to David Shaw.
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David Shaw claims to quote a letter from Jim Carr (father of Met Officer Carr) to Robert Boutflour outlining a list of point he has raised with Essex Police on behalf of the family.
Many of them we are discussing here, but there were a few curiosities: (numbers as per leeter)
3) JB previously professed distaste for blood sports and rabbit shooting
4) The Registered letters
(To Barker, found by A/E 15/08?)
8) The TV programme I spoke to you about
10) Leaving Australia in a hurry
Does anyone have any info on any of the points raised?
Once again, Robert Boutflour seemed rather obsessed about Jeremy's trip to Australia/New Zealand.
I think David Shaw said that took place in the late 70s but RB said it was in 1983.
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going back to "who is david shaw" as we know he was writing a book on the whf murders, and was looking for a publisher for his book. mike gave him the details of a publisher and that publisher is now on the facebook page, and visits jeremy.
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David Shaw believes that there was a small group of police officers who were inside the farmhouse, who knew the truth about what really took place surrounding Sheila's death in the bedroom, which he refers to as "the inner circle" all of whom were Freemasons, although he says that this feature was coincidental..