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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: mike tesko on August 26, 2012, 05:03:PM

Title: Mugford file suppressed...
Post by: mike tesko on August 26, 2012, 05:03:PM
Mugford file suppressed...

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Title: Re: Mugford file suppressed...
Post by: mike tesko on August 26, 2012, 05:13:PM
I wonder if Mugfords current employers have ever seen the contents of the withheld file (above)?
Title: Re: Mugford file suppressed...
Post by: mike tesko on August 26, 2012, 05:16:PM
I wonder if Mugfords current employers have ever seen the contents of the withheld file (above)?

Is children's safety being put into jeopardy, by the withholding of such a confidential file, based upon Mugfords involvement in the commissioning of criminal offences, and as an accessory to five murders, including the killing of two children, in their sleep?
Title: Re: Mugford file suppressed...
Post by: mike tesko on August 26, 2012, 05:21:PM
The jury were entitled to know the truth about any motive for Julie Mugford to testify during the trial in favour of the prosecutions case:-

(http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=288.0;attach=1162;image)
(http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=288.0;attach=1164;image)
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Title: Re: Mugford file suppressed...
Post by: Roch on August 26, 2012, 05:25:PM
Is children's safety being put into jeopardy, by the withholding of such a confidential file, based upon Mugfords involvement in the commissioning of criminal offences, and as an accessory to five murders, including the killing of two children, in their sleep?

We don't know what's in the file Mike.  I don't believe they would have let an accessory to murder off the hook.  Accusing her of being such and her being such are two separate things.  What if she is not an accessory but is accused of being such, merely to apply pressure and gain leverage?
Title: Re: Mugford file suppressed...
Post by: mike tesko on August 26, 2012, 05:30:PM
We don't know what's in the file Mike.  I don't believe they would have let an accessory to murder off the hook.  Accusing her of being such and her being such are two separate things.  What if she is not an accessory but is accused of being such, merely to apply pressure and gain leverage?

In my mind, and to my way of thinking, she was an accomplice,(if what she had to say had any truth to it) in the same way that Myra Hindley, was an accomplice of Ian Brady, in the same way that Rose West was an accomplice of Fred West, and in the same way as Ian Huntleys girlfriend, Maxine Carr, was/is an accomplice. In all three cases, the female part of the relationships could have prevented any deaths having occurred or at least ensured the swift arrest of their partners. If what Mugford had to say had any truth to it, she waited a month before she decided to come forward, and this coincided with the fact that Jeremy dumped her for good...
Title: Re: Mugford file suppressed...
Post by: lookout on August 26, 2012, 05:49:PM
In my mind, and to my way of thinking, she was an accomplice,(if what she had to say had any truth to it) in the same way that Myra Hindley, was an accomplice of Ian Brady, in the same way that Rose West was an accomplice of Fred West, and in the same way as Ian Huntleys girlfriend, Maxine Carr, was/is an accomplice. In all three cases, the female part of the relationships could have prevented any deaths having occurred or at least ensured the swift arrest of their partners. If what Mugford had to say had any truth to it, she waited a month before she decided to come forward, and this coincided with the fact that Jeremy dumped her for good...

Absolutely,Mike,,and if she still states that Jeremy committed the murders,then she is no doubt an accessory and should have been tried as such. Why is she so different from the rest of the partners in crime.? Why didn't she sit a polygraph test.?
Title: Re: Mugford file suppressed...
Post by: Buddy on August 26, 2012, 06:31:PM
Absolutely,Mike,,and if she still states that Jeremy committed the murders,then she is no doubt an accessory and should have been tried as such. Why is she so different from the rest of the partners in crime.? Why didn't she sit a polygraph test.?
She didn't need to Lookout. She admitted they she was aware that JB was going to murder the family, yet did nothing. Would you? I don't think so.
Mugford was an accomplice, but turned to give evidence to the crown.
If the jury were aware that she was to recieve £25,000 on conviction I believe they would have discarded her testimony. As it was Two members of the jury werte not convinced. If they had known of the newspaper deal I think it would have been greater.
The night of the telephone call from Jeremy sheadmitted that she had been taking drugs, along with the rest of the household. How can any evidence from this mob be taken seriously.
Title: Re: Mugford file suppressed...
Post by: lookout on August 26, 2012, 07:19:PM
She didn't need to Lookout. She admitted they she was aware that JB was going to murder the family, yet did nothing. Would you? I don't think so.
Mugford was an accomplice, but turned to give evidence to the crown.
If the jury were aware that she was to recieve £25,000 on conviction I believe they would have discarded her testimony. As it was Two members of the jury werte not convinced. If they had known of the newspaper deal I think it would have been greater.
The night of the telephone call from Jeremy sheadmitted that she had been taking drugs, along with the rest of the household. How can any evidence from this mob be taken seriously.


No wonder she's fearful of Jeremy's release.!
Title: Re: Mugford file suppressed...
Post by: mike tesko on August 26, 2012, 07:27:PM
She didn't need to Lookout. She admitted they she was aware that JB was going to murder the family, yet did nothing. Would you? I don't think so.
Mugford was an accomplice, but turned to give evidence to the crown.
If the jury were aware that she was to recieve £25,000 on conviction I believe they would have discarded her testimony. As it was Two members of the jury werte not convinced. If they had known of the newspaper deal I think it would have been greater.
The night of the telephone call from Jeremy sheadmitted that she had been taking drugs, along with the rest of the household. How can any evidence from this mob be taken seriously.

Yeah, the mob from the bedsits where Julie was staying were all on drugs, and many had got criminal convictions for drug dealing and usage - I have copies of their criminal records to prove it...
Title: Re: Mugford file suppressed...
Post by: Roch on August 26, 2012, 07:28:PM
How can any evidence from this mob be taken seriously.

'mob' as in crooks?  I have wondered this my self.   I'm not referring to her friends.
Title: Re: Mugford file suppressed...
Post by: mike tesko on August 26, 2012, 07:46:PM
It was rather convenient for the prosecution to keep it quiet about Mugford and her pals all being druggies, who mostly have previous convictions for taking or supplying drugs, and all manner of other criminal offences - the prosecution did not want the jury to know about the background of some of their witnesses, because it was an important part of their case that Jeremy got the timing of his call to Julie wrong, in relation to his call from his father, and to the police...

It was al-right for the prosecution to try and paint Jeremy in a poor light, but when it came down to the background of its own witnesses, it left a lot to be desired, since most of them were druggies, and they lived in a building full of bedsits, that could best be described, as a drugs den...
Title: Re: Mugford file suppressed...
Post by: lookout on August 26, 2012, 07:47:PM
Yeah, the mob from the bedsits where Julie was staying were all on drugs, and many had got criminal convictions for drug dealing and usage - I have copies of their criminal records to prove it...

That doesn't surprise me Mike.
Title: Re: Mugford file suppressed...
Post by: mike tesko on August 26, 2012, 07:50:PM
That doesn't surprise me Mike.

Prosecution had evidence that not only was Julie Mugford an active criminal engaged in cheque book frauds, she was also a drug taker, a drugs dealer, and she lived amongst, and associated with other drug users, other drug dealers, and other criminals - and what would her current employer have to say about that, if they got to know about it?
Title: Re: Mugford file suppressed...
Post by: mike tesko on August 26, 2012, 07:52:PM
another witness statement made by Julie Mugford:-

(http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=284.0;attach=1088;image)
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Title: Re: Mugford file suppressed...
Post by: mertol22 on August 26, 2012, 08:06:PM
it was iced over mike, the jury were not to know, it was crucial to present mugford as a good reliable witness with no former history to dent that portfolio.
Title: Re: Mugford file suppressed...
Post by: mike tesko on August 26, 2012, 08:09:PM
it was iced over mike, the jury were not to know, it was crucial to present mugford as a good reliable witness with no former history to dent that portfolio.

Yes, I know - they had to try and make her look whiter than white, when in reality she was a dark shadow lurking in daylight...
Title: Re: Mugford file suppressed...
Post by: mike tesko on August 26, 2012, 08:10:PM
If only her employers knew what she was really like ( a wolf dressed in sheeps clothing) they would sack her on the spot...

Thief
Fraudster
Drug taker
Drug dealer
Burglar
liar


(http://twitpic.com/show/large/94d264)
Title: Re: Mugford file suppressed...
Post by: mike tesko on August 26, 2012, 08:15:PM
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Title: Re: Mugford file suppressed...
Post by: mike tesko on August 26, 2012, 08:19:PM
Jeremy admits to "burglary at Osea Road camp site" with accomplice, Julie Mugford:-

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Jeremy was bailed after appearing at Witham Magistrates court, charged with the burglary, but Julie Mugford, was never charged at all, because she agreed to become a prosecution witness in the case against Jeremy Bamber (Mugford the scumbag druggie, fraudster, burglar, liar)...

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Here is a photograph of the office at Osea road camp site that Jeremy, and Julie Mugford broke into:-

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Title: Re: Mugford file suppressed...
Post by: mertol22 on August 26, 2012, 08:41:PM
its possible mugford talked jeremy into it sounds like she was skint
Title: Re: Mugford file suppressed...
Post by: mike tesko on August 26, 2012, 08:43:PM
its possible mugford talked jeremy into it sounds like she was skint

Could be, she was a money grabber, and knew which side the toast was buttered on, from one moment to the next...
Title: Re: Mugford file suppressed...
Post by: mike tesko on August 26, 2012, 08:52:PM
In keeping with what the police surgeon, Dr Craig, and Police Inspector "Bob" Miller, saw when they viewed Sheila's body at the scene at 8:44am, on 7th August 1985, Julie Mugford only saw one bullet hole on Sheila's neck when she went to identify her body at Chelmsford hospital mortuary, but how could anyone miss the evidence, as shown in this crime scene photograph?

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Title: Re: Mugford file suppressed...
Post by: mike tesko on August 26, 2012, 08:54:PM
In keeping with what the police surgeon, Dr Craig, and Police Inspector "Bob" Miller, saw when they viewed Sheila's body at the scene at 8:44am, on 7th August 1985, Julie Mugford only saw one bullet hole on Sheila's neck when she went to identify her body at Chelmsford hospital mortuary, but how could anyone miss the evidence, as shown in this crime scene photograph?

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How could anyone only see one huge bullet hole on Sheila's neck when clearly there was and had been two such bullet entry holes? Do the police and the CPS think we are daft, or something?
Title: Re: Mugford file suppressed...
Post by: mertol22 on August 26, 2012, 11:08:PM
Could be, she was a money grabber, and knew which side the toast was buttered on, from one moment to the next...
if jeremy was short of money i would be just as easy believing he did it but  i feel he was wise with cash after all he was working