Jeremy Bamber Forum
OFF TOPIC => General => Topic started by: Roch on August 19, 2012, 04:32:PM
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Some age old disagreements are breaking out. I hope that members can avoid over-stepping the mark with their comments because this just inflames things. Rather than clogging up case related threads, can members please divert disagreements that cannot be sorted via pm, to this thread instead.
Please note that Mods can sometimes help to mediate between members, when disagreements are channeled via pm.
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Well you took it off topic by insulting me Mat. Before that I was arguing on topic with Lithium. Can't you just accept the fact that I really don't consider you all that important? Please do not engage with me at all. Because it is obvious that you cannot even mention my name without being insulting.
Oh, Grahame. You're so see through. Your only goal in that topic was to goad me and anyone can see that. You must believe the mods/members here to be blind if you do not believe they can see right through your original posts in that topic.
You know nothing about the case, as I said you fail to even properly debate the Bamber case without making stories up about GAV or what your 'friend' was told by a NOTW Editor ::), it is all very see through.
You should apologise to the mods for yet again being the cause of trouble and trolling on the forum as myslef, nugnug, gordo, SL and lithium, oncesaid and others were causing you no harm in a topic what was case related until you showed up with your worn out insults about my relationship status as if that is any bother to you.
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Oh, Grahame. You're so see through. Your only goal in that topic was to goad me and anyone can see that. You must believe the mods/members here to be blind if you do not believe they can see right through your original posts in that topic.
You know nothing about the case, as I said you fail to even properly debate the Bamber case without making stories up about GAV or what your 'friend' was told by a NOTW Editor ::), it is all very see through.
You should apologise to the mods for yet again being the cause of trouble and trolling on the forum as myslef, nugnug, gordo, SL and lithium, oncesaid and others were causing you no harm in a topic what was case related until you showed up with your worn out insults about my relationship status as if that is any bother to you.
Well in fact I was looking for YOUR apology Mat. I think you need treatment by the way. I'm not interested in your childish outbusts. And if Roch doesn't mind me saying this is a bad idea. For I see it as a seed cultivation kit for young trolls of which mat is the chief. A nasty piece of work if ever their was one and one who was responsible for the distrust caused and the departure of two of the forums best posters. The forum can do without this troll rather than pandering to his trollish nature. In fact if anything this thread will reveal that he is indeed a troll. Bring back our two best members Jackie and Keira whom he has done nothing but denigrate before the whole forum and get rid of this cheapskate and excuse of a man.
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Jackie's ban had nothing to do with me. Ask Roch/NGB they have already confirmed this to you on two occasions, shame you need it confirming again.
As for Keira - it was you and Keira who apparently got together to try and get information out of me. When that backfired on you Keira left. Says more about the type of people you and Keira are than it says about me. :-\
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Jackie's ban had nothing to do with me. Ask Roch/NGB they have already confirmed this to you on two occasions, shame you need it confirming again.
As for Keira - it was you and Keira who apparently got together to try and get information out of me. When that backfired on you Keira left. Says more about the type of people you and Keira are than it says about me. :-\
As I told you if you care tyo read what I said. I did not collaborate or get together to get information from you. I fact if you go and read what I actrually said you will find that I warned her against it. But the plain facts are that it was you who came onto the forum as some kind of bigshot from some government body who knew all about the bamber case and putting it around that he hadn't a cats hope in hell of getting an appeal, that began the whole process. I personally learnt nothing from her delvings and in fact had very little interest because of your characteristic trollish behaviour. I wasn't interested in you then and I'm not interested in you now so just back off and stop insulting me with your weak presence on the forum. Stop looking at yourself Mat. You won't find what you are looking for within yourself.
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As I told you if you care tyo read what I said. I did not collaborate or get together to get information from you. I fact if you go and read what I actrually said you will find that I warned her against it. But the plain facts are that it was you who came onto the forum as some kind of bigshot from some government body who knew all about the bamber case and putting it around that he hadn't a cats hope in hell of getting an appeal, that began the whole process. I personally learnt nothing from her delvings and in fact had very little interest because of your characteristic trollish behaviour. I wasn't interested in you then and I'm not interested in you now so just back off and stop insulting me with your weak presence on the forum. Stop looking at yourself Mat. You won't find what you are looking for within yourself.
I've never called myself a big shot anything, if you think my job makes me a big shot - that's your opinion but I'm actually quite humble and I have so many superiors that I don't feel high up the cahin of command at work.
You've very little respect left, Grahame. No respect for yourself - and I don't see how you can have any respect left from members of this forum. You accuse me of being fake, or making things up when in fact this is indeed what you're guilty of.
You pretended to be GAV, a former SAS who came online to tell people off. That's embaressing, yet you still show your face.
You created the account BloggsAndSon to hide behind and to attack people - I called you on it and you denied it, but then had to admit it, again emabressing but you still show your face.
You've left FOUR times (that I have seen!) and have attacked the members and the mods here each time you have a outburst and leave.
Let you still claim I am the troublemaker and the one with fake crednetials when the above posts show your shady time on this forum where I have had ONE account the whole time.
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Yes your humility shows mat ::) Look mate we both have opinions of each other. We may be right we may be wrong. Personally I don't give a damn what you think. So why don't you stop your whining about things not being fair and just set me to ignore. I certainly am getting a bit bored at all this old turf that you keep bringing up. I have apologised to you once before (you never have to me by the way) and tried to get along with you. But then you start opening up old scars and I certainly do not think it is my place to apologise to you. As for your humility? Well that will be left for the wise on the forum to decide. But for me I am closing the door on both you and the subject now and try and remember the forum before you showed up with your extensive knowledge of the case and your overwhelming use of people skills. Now leave me alone for goodness sake. Your constant complaining is wearing me down. And your "humility" is positively overwhelming that I'm beginning to feel I need a mediator to speak to you.
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Yes your humility shows mat ::) Look mate we both have opinions of each other. We may be right we may be wrong. Personally I don't give a damn what you think. So why don't you stop your whining about things not being fair and just set me to ignore. I certainly am getting a bit bored at all this old turf that you keep bringing up. I have apologised to you once before (you never have to me by the way) and tried to get along with you. But then you start opening up old scars and I certainly do not think it is my place to apologise to you. As for your humility? Well that will be left for the wise on the forum to decide. But for me I am closing the door on both you and the subject now and try and remember the forum before you showed up with your extensive knowledge of the case and your overwhelming use of people skills. Now leave me alone for goodness sake. Your constant complaining is wearing me down. And your "humility" is positively overwhelming that I'm beginning to feel I need a mediator to speak to you.
I'm aware that you've apologised to me - this was back when Keira was here and you were very abusive, she told you that you have to apologise to me. You apologised and then said that "actually sod the twat, I can't apologise and am leaving!" so you left the forum.
I disagree that I've never said sorry to you, I have done and I'm sure you remember it.
I will keep my distance from you - which is what I was doing - just do not come into topics where a debate is happening unless you wish to ADD to the debate and not just post silly messages.
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Wgich I did of course and then you began to be abusive towards me. Anyway little man I have just as much right if not more right to post on this forum as you do. And will post wherever and whenever I like and will not be told what to do by a little hitler like you. Get out of my site you obnoxious little fraud.
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. Get out of my site you obnoxious little fraud.
This certianly isn't your site. :)
. Anyway little man I have just as much right if not more right to post on this forum as you do.
I'm certianly not little and you've no more right than anyone. :)
by a little hitler like you.
You bullied women over Nazi comments. Then you make them yourself. :-\
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Boys please can we try and be civil. I have had such a lovely day with my family and come on here to world war 3.
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Boys please can we try and be civil. I have had such a lovely day with my family and come on here to world war 3.
I am civil. My worst insult was 'old'. He's now have a beltdown - I'm waiting to be called twat, tyro etc etc any second. :-\
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Have a group hug and smile. You will far better...promise
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Please MODERATORS get this irritating little gizmo off my back PLEEEEEZE!
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Roch is more than welcome to look in the topic and see who got onto who's case, Grahame. Let's leave it at that.
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Roch is more than welcome to look in the topic and see who got onto who's case, Grahame. Let's leave it at that.
Yes lets. Go back and report to your friend lamberton. ;)
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I wouldn't call him a friend. He's someone I have spoken to for five minutes to dispell nasty rumours spread about me.
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This is clearly a dispute that is not going to be resolved. Drawing it away from simmering on case related threads hasn't worked as well as I'd wished for. The only option that makes sense to me now, is for you both place each other on ignore. This would be very helpful. I think the remarks have gone as far as they should, so please, let's leave it be.
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Well in fact I was looking for YOUR apology Mat. I think you need treatment by the way. I'm not interested in your childish outbusts. And if Roch doesn't mind me saying this is a bad idea. For I see it as a seed cultivation kit for young trolls of which mat is the chief. A nasty piece of work if ever their was one and one who was responsible for the distrust caused and the departure of two of the forums best posters. The forum can do without this troll rather than pandering to his trollish nature. In fact if anything this thread will reveal that he is indeed a troll. Bring back our two best members Jackie and Keira whom he has done nothing but denigrate before the whole forum and get rid of this cheapskate and excuse of a man.
Absolute rubbish. I don't know if you're saying that to try and make a point, but I'm sure you can't possibly believe what you say.
Jackie's actual posts on this forum were of very limited benfit in my opinion. I don't doubt she did good work outside of posting, but in terms of actual posting hers added very little to the case in my opinion.
The statement you have made is quite an insult to people like ngb, roch, vidvic, hartley who to name just 4 have all made far better posts than the 2 people you appear to idolise for some bizarre reason.
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I agree with the sentiments RE: Jackie. Keira at times was very knowledgeable.
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Absolute rubbish. I don't know if you're saying that to try and make a point, but I'm sure you can't possibly believe what you say.
Jackie's actual posts on this forum were of very limited benfit in my opinion. I don't doubt she did good work outside of posting, but in terms of actual posting hers added very little to the case in my opinion.
The statement you have made is quite an insult to people like ngb, roch, vidvic, hartley who to name just 4 have all made far better posts than the 2 people you appear to idolise for some bizarre reason.
Petey this is an insult to no one. Foir it does not exclude anyone that you have named. In fact I posted on Saturday on the murder of a 14 year old that you were one of the posters I respected. see my post here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.1425.html I wonder if you could please temper your posts in future so as not to discount other people's posts as "absolute rubbish" thus discounting the posters value to the forum? This kind of remark I find quite insulting, especially as it comes from a professional man such as yourself. Keira was of immense value to this forum for your information.
note: In my link you will see I made a mistake and posted you as an anti. Someone reminded me that you weren't. But I suppose it is just the aggressive way you treat posters that I thought that? It can be very insulting to the poster you are answering, especially when the poster is not attacking you in any way.
On an added little bit of information. Jackie is my friend and is really being battling with depression for some considerable time. Even thouogh some of her friends appear to have forsaken her I never will. I think a little mercy and understanding wouldn't go amiss don't you? What I find shocking so many times on this forum is that the seemingly more intelligent people on this forum so many times appear to have the least understanding when it comes to illness of the mind and inner personality. And yet they deliberate boldly upon Sheila's mental illness. Well look here among your number and show a little more mercy towards those who need it instead of labelling them as liars and their posts as rubbish. Or their personalities worth nothing just because they have criticised you some times. Thank you.
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Petey this is an insult to no one. Foir it does not exclude anyone that you have named. In fact I posted on Saturday on the murder of a 14 year old that you were one of the posters I respected. see my post here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.1425.html I wonder if you could please temper your posts in future so as not to discount other people's posts as "absolute rubbish" thus discounting the posters value to the forum? This kind of remark I find quite insulting, especially as it comes from a professional man such as yourself. Keira was of immense value to this forum for your information.
note: In my link you will see I made a mistake and posted you as an anti. Someone reminded me that you weren't. But I suppose it is just the aggressive way you treat posters that I thought that? It can be very insulting to the poster you are answering, especially when the poster is not attacking you in any way.
On an added little bit of information. Jackie is my friend and is really being battling with depression for some considerable time. Even thouogh some of her friends appear to have forsaken her I never will. I think a little mercy and understanding wouldn't go amiss don't you? What I find shocking so many times on this forum is that the seemingly more intelligent people on this forum so many times appear to have the least understanding when it comes to illness of the mind and inner personality. And yet they deliberate boldly upon Sheila's mental illness. Well look here among your number and show a little more mercy towards those who need it instead of labelling them as liars and their posts as rubbish. Or their personalities worth nothing just because they have criticised you some times. Thank you.
So do you stand by your statement that Jackie is both one of the forums best posters and indeed 1 of the best 2 forum members?
My post was not a personal attack on you and I stand by my comment that claiming Jackie is one of the forums best posters and the best member, is indeed absolute rubbish. This does not mean that all of your posts are absolute rubbish, as I'm sure you have made some valid points over the months.
I have never commented on Sheila's illness (as far as i can recall), as this is an area I have very very limited knowledge.
With regards Jackie I had no idea she suffers from depression, I just disagreed with most things she wrote on this forum, although to be fair prob 90% of her posts were criticising the other forum or specific individuals who post on there. That's why in my opinion she added so very little to the debate regarding JB.
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So do you stand by your statement that Jackie is both one of the forums best posters and indeed 1 of the best 2 forum members?
My post was not a personal attack on you and I stand by my comment that claiming Jackie is one of the forums best posters and the best member, is indeed absolute rubbish. This does not mean that all of your posts are absolute rubbish, as I'm sure you have made some valid points over the months.
I have never commented on Sheila's illness (as far as i can recall), as this is an area I have very very limited knowledge.
With regards Jackie I had no idea she suffers from depression, I just disagreed with most things she wrote on this forum, although to be fair prob 90% of her posts were criticising the other forum or specific individuals who post on there. That's why in my opinion she added so very little to the debate regarding JB.
I thought you were an anti bamber. No I didn't say that you are one of the best forum members. That is debatable. What I did say is that among others who are anti bambers you are one of those I respect.
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I thought you were an anti bamber. No I didn't say that you are one of the best forum members. That is debatable. What I did say is that among others who are anti bambers you are one of those I respect.
When have I ever claimed to be one of the best forum members?! I personally think I am a long way down the pecking order.
Your post specifically stated that JACKIE was one of the forums best posters and indeed 1 of the 2 best members, a statement which I reiterate that I think is still absolute rubbish.
Equally over the months I have probably repeatedly stated that I about 60-70% believe JB innocent. When I first joined the forum I was nearer to 70%. Currently I am nearer to 60%.
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So do you stand by your statement that Jackie is both one of the forums best posters and indeed 1 of the best 2 forum members?
My post was not a personal attack on you and I stand by my comment that claiming Jackie is one of the forums best posters and the best member, is indeed absolute rubbish. This does not mean that all of your posts are absolute rubbish, as I'm sure you have made some valid points over the months.
I have never commented on Sheila's illness (as far as i can recall), as this is an area I have very very limited knowledge.
With regards Jackie I had no idea she suffers from depression, I just disagreed with most things she wrote on this forum, although to be fair prob 90% of her posts were criticising the other forum or specific individuals who post on there. That's why in my opinion she added so very little to the debate regarding JB.
You joined the forum at one of the worst times. I will be posting in the lamberton thread soon if I can figure out how to, some screen captures of the abuse various members on this forum have been receiving from the "other" forum. Jackie was at the end of her tether at the time and certainly was not at her best and even I disagreed with some of the things she has said and done. But all the abuse that she undesevervedly received from various members of the other forum had really driven her to her limits. It it were myself I reckon I would have been sent to a mental institution by now. But I was very surprised how she did in fact hold it together. Unfortunately her health has deteriorated and I feel that all I can do is support her in what she is going through.
None of this is your fault of course. You just turned up at a time where she was questioning and doubful about everyone who joined. This is one reason that I hate this kind of internet abuse and being accused of the same thing myself when what I am actually doing most of the time3 is responding to it by defending my friends. I just wish that those on here who ought to know better (not referring to you Petey) would see that that is what I am actually doing.
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When have I ever claimed to be one of the best forum members?! I personally think I am a long way down the pecking order.
Your post specifically stated that JACKIE was one of the forums best posters and indeed 1 of the 2 best members, a statement which I reiterate that I think is still absolute rubbish.
Equally over the months I have probably repeatedly stated that I about 60-70% believe JB innocent. When I first joined the forum I was nearer to 70%. Currently I am nearer to 60%.
No no listen petey. I DID NOT SAY THAT YOU EVER CLAIMED TO BE ONE OF THE BEST FORUM MEMBERS. but that you are one of the anti posters that I respect, among others who I may have forgotten to mention.
And yes Jackie was AT ONE TIME one of the best posters this forum had. She brought many members and supporters to this forum through her twitter account. She brought ngb here. she got Simon McKay involved and goodness knows just how many media people interested in the case. It was all her work. If it were not for Jackie we would not have been blessed with the presence of ngb. So yes she was one of the forum's best posters. That was why the lamberton troll centre targeted her with all their abuse and stalking her by sending indian meals around her house and taxis to her door in the middle of the night. Which was not denied but rather greeted with great laughter by the whole of their forum membership.
It was then she began to change and the strain began to show. They truly are a wicked lot over on that so called "forum". Excuse me while I spit at the mention of his name. None of it your fault of course petey. I'm just sorry you didn't know my friend Jackie at her best and that you got caught up in all this troll mess. I lay the blame for her depression squarely at that evil man's feet.
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I would again like to emphasise for the benefit of the whole pro bamber membership that rather than looking at what Jackie has done in a cold black and white manner as if she has betrayed us and therefore leave her alone. But rather in an understanding loving supporting kind of way in order for her to gain strength from our support and let her know that we are always here for her. If you counted her your friend once, then once again become her friend. Because of what she had formerly done for this forum which was a great deal, she must be encouraged rather than be condemned. I would not say this for just anyone. But for Jackie I say it.
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No no listen petey. I DID NOT SAY THAT YOU EVER CLAIMED TO BE ONE OF THE BEST FORUM MEMBERS. but that you are one of the anti posters that I respect, among others who I may have forgotten to mention.
And yes Jackie was AT ONE TIME one of the best posters this forum had. She brought many members and supporters to this forum through her twitter account. She brought ngb here. she got Simon McKay involved and goodness knows just how many media people interested in the case. It was all her work. If it were not for Jackie we would not have been blessed with the presence of ngb. So yes she was one of the forum's best posters. That was why the lamberton troll centre targeted her with all their abuse and stalking her by sending indian meals around her house and taxis to her door in the middle of the night. Which was not denied but rather greeted with great laughter by the whole of their forum membership.
It was then she began to change and the strain began to show. They truly are a wicked lot over on that so called "forum". Excuse me while I spit at the mention of his name. None of it your fault of course petey. I'm just sorry you didn't know my friend Jackie at her best and that you got caught up in all this troll mess. I lay the blame for her depression squarely at that evil man's feet.
That is your opinion but we shall agree to disagree.
I don't doubt and have never doubted that Jackie has done a number of good things OFF this forum eg getting Simon McKay, ngb and mark williams-thomas involved.
However, with her posts ON this forum I think she has very very limited usefulness, laregly because her posts were concentrated on criticisng the other forum and people who post on it, rather than actually concentrating on JB and his case and furthering the debate.
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mat if you cant take i would strongly suggest you stop dishing it out.
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I can take it nugnug, I'm use to taking it on this forum.
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I would again like to emphasise for the benefit of the whole pro bamber membership that rather than looking at what Jackie has done in a cold black and white manner as if she has betrayed us and therefore leave her alone. But rather in an understanding loving supporting kind of way in order for her to gain strength from our support and let her know that we are always here for her. If you counted her your friend once, then once again become her friend. Because of what she had formerly done for this forum which was a great deal, she must be encouraged rather than be condemned. I would not say this for just anyone. But for Jackie I say it.
Grahame, I feel that my self and ngb have been supportive and understanding towards Jackie, in the time that she was on/off the forum. i don't think there has been any want of an understanding or accommodation of Jackie. I bear Jackie absolutely no ill will whatsoever.
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Grahame, I feel that my self and ngb have been supportive and understanding towards Jackie, in the time that she was on/off the forum. i don't think there has been any want of an understanding or accommodation of Jackie. I bear Jackie absolutely no ill will whatsoever.
Totally agree Grahame, I have only known Jackie for a few months but have found her to be a lovely person and good friend, she has been going through a really difficult time and I try to support her to the best of my ability. I will always defend her, she's one of the best and I find it hard to take when I have to listen to some people sneering and denigrating her when they know nothing about her. (Petey, I don't mean you!).
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Jackie was her own worst enemy at times, specifically on the board. I think the board became a place for her to air her nasty opinions and to cause trouble for the 'anti-bamber' members. The board stopped being about the case for Jackie long before I got here.
I think the mods did all they could with her, she was given a free range for longer than she truly deserved and yet she threw it back in the faces of those who's supported and protected her. :-\
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Jackie was her own worst enemy at times, specifically on the board. I think the board became a place for her to air her nasty opinions and to cause trouble for the 'anti-bamber' members. The board stopped being about the case for Jackie long before I got here.
I think the mods did all they could with her, she was given a free range for longer than she truly deserved and yet she threw it back in the faces of those who's supported and protected her. :-\
I think your comments are uninvited and unnecessary Mat,
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Uninvited? :-\ It's a forum Maggie, you don't have to be invited to post in a topic - especially regarding things that happened whilst I was here on the forum.
I thought it was important to stand up for the mods - so that history wans't being re-written regarding Jackie's ban. She was given semi bans time and time again. I don't see how they could have been fairer with her, in fact she was lucky not to have been banned months before she actually was.
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I think your comments are uninvited and unnecessary Mat,
Whether the views are uninvited or unnecessary is up for debate and they perhaps could have been aired in a better manner.
I would say they are pretty much accurate views tho in my opinion.
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I would again like to emphasise for the benefit of the whole pro bamber membership that rather than looking at what Jackie has done in a cold black and white manner as if she has betrayed us and therefore leave her alone. But rather in an understanding loving supporting kind of way in order for her to gain strength from our support and let her know that we are always here for her. If you counted her your friend once, then once again become her friend. Because of what she had formerly done for this forum which was a great deal, she must be encouraged rather than be condemned. I would not say this for just anyone. But for Jackie I say it.
I've just been corrected by one of Jackie's friends. She emphasises that she is not depressed and never has been depressed. Sorry. Thought she was. But I do know that she is angry. With me :o help!
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I can't speak for anyone but myself, but personally my time on the forum would have been eaiser if Jackie hadn't have been around when I joined.
She was hell bent on proving that I was Ann Eaton, in fact on two or three occasions she said "RIGHT GOT PROOF! FORWARDING TO MODS NOW!" It was all very strange to be a new member and be dragged into something so deep rooted.
At least she didn't tell me to go play in traffic, eh Petey? ;D
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Grahame, I feel that my self and ngb have been supportive and understanding towards Jackie, in the time that she was on/off the forum. i don't think there has been any want of an understanding or accommodation of Jackie. I bear Jackie absolutely no ill will whatsoever.
Great to hear it Roch. Thank you for your support for her.
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Without question since jackie has gone the foprum is not the same, for those who knew her a little more you may be suprised what she said to me in a phone chat, words to the effect that all she wanted in this case was the truth to come out, she made no view one way or the other in that chat but by banning jackie was not the way to go at the end of the day its only a forum im not expecting any views to be supressed today.
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Without question since jackie has gone the foprum is not the same, for those who knew her a little more you may be suprised what she said to me in a phone chat, words to the effect that all she wanted in this case was the truth to come out, she made no view one way or the other in that chat but by banning jackie was not the way to go at the end of the day its only a forum im not expecting any views to be supressed today.
mertol a lot a great posters have gone since the attack of the trolls. Now it seems that Dr. Sandra Lean has legged it now unfortunately. But we are hopeful still.
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Without question since jackie has gone the foprum is not the same, for those who knew her a little more you may be suprised what she said to me in a phone chat, words to the effect that all she wanted in this case was the truth to come out, she made no view one way or the other in that chat but by banning jackie was not the way to go at the end of the day its only a forum im not expecting any views to be supressed today.
I would like the ban on ALL members lifted. Surely we can defend ourselves.
It serves no purpose at the end of the day. We are in a position to place unwelcome members on ignore.
Just saying.
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Mat I know the feeling as a totally new member and to be dragged into something that was not justified to be ridiculed and made to feel so unwanted. Now I'm free of that.
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Mat I know the feeling as a totally new member and to be dragged into something that was not justified to be ridiculed and made to feel so unwanted. Now I'm free of that.
I'm still going through it, Susan. They now think I am John Lamberton. It's sad that as a way to try and discredit me there are still trolls willing to say rubbish even though they know it isn't true.
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Without question since jackie has gone the foprum is not the same, for those who knew her a little more you may be suprised what she said to me in a phone chat, words to the effect that all she wanted in this case was the truth to come out, she made no view one way or the other in that chat but by banning jackie was not the way to go at the end of the day its only a forum im not expecting any views to be supressed today.
I am getting thoroughly fed up with posts such as this. I suspect I have had more dealings with Jackie than anyone here. The mods have been criticised by members on several occasions for failing to take action in imposing bans. We receive frequent messages either directly or by implication asking us to ban particular members. We have only done so where there has been no alternative, and even then the ban has usually been only for a short period. The fact that Jackie remains banned should therefore give an indication to members that there were very powerful reasons for imposing a ban in this case. Because Jackie is not able to defend herself here I have not posted the reasons for the ban and I will not be drawn into doing so. I would however ask members who have no knowledge whatsoever about the circumstances surrounding this to refrain from criticising the actions of the mods. The mods were and are in complete agreement on this.
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Mat I know how you feel it is terrible when you are accused of being somebody you are not. Don't forget I had the red forum making fun of me nightly at least you have them on your side. I was lucky to have support from so many on this forum Bridget,Maggie,Patti,april,Caroline,Grahame the list goes on and on it does help if you have friends around you.
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Mat I know the feeling as a totally new member and to be dragged into something that was not justified to be ridiculed and made to feel so unwanted. Now I'm free of that.
Yes and strangely susan so do I. I had only been on the forum for about a week when I was threatened with the police by a certain member.
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Mat I know how you feel it is terrible when you are accused of being somebody you are not. Don't forget I had the red forum making fun of me nightly at least you have them on your side. I was lucky to have support from so many on this forum Bridget,Maggie,Patti,april,Caroline,Grahame the list goes on and on it does help if you have friends around you.
Yeah, it's good that MOST people are aware I'm not John, Weety, Ann Eaton - a phone hacker, Jack The Ripper, Kevin Craigie. Etc, etc. :)
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I am getting thoroughly fed up with posts such as this. I suspect I have had more dealings with Jackie than anyone here. The mods have been criticised by members on several occasions for failing to take action in imposing bans. We receive frequent messages either directly or by implication asking us to ban particular members. We have only done so where there has been no alternative, and even then the ban has usually been only for a short period. The fact that Jackie remains banned should therefore give an indication to members that there were very powerful reasons for imposing a ban in this case. Because Jackie is not able to defend herself here I have not posted the reasons for the ban and I will not be drawn into doing so. I would however ask members who have no knowledge whatsoever about the circumstances surrounding this to refrain from criticising the actions of the mods. The mods were and are in complete agreement on this.
There was no alternative and there was much deliberation beforehand, for weeks if not months actually. Everything was done to accommodate Jackie and she was given enough rope to climb a mountain.
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Don't worry, Roch, NGB. When you've been blamed for Jackie this week it will be back to me for next week. ;D
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I am getting thoroughly fed up with posts such as this. I suspect I have had more dealings with Jackie than anyone here. The mods have been criticised by members on several occasions for failing to take action in imposing bans. We receive frequent messages either directly or by implication asking us to ban particular members. We have only done so where there has been no alternative, and even then the ban has usually been only for a short period. The fact that Jackie remains banned should therefore give an indication to members that there were very powerful reasons for imposing a ban in this case. Because Jackie is not able to defend herself here I have not posted the reasons for the ban and I will not be drawn into doing so. I would however ask members who have no knowledge whatsoever about the circumstances surrounding this to refrain from criticising the actions of the mods. The mods were and are in complete agreement on this.
Erm......Yes judge. :-X
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Mat I don't think things are that bad I have not heard anything about you being Mr. Lamberton or indeed anyone else you are Mat and that is that, :)
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Mat I don't think things are that bad I have not heard anything about you being Mr. Lamberton or indeed anyone else you are Mat and that is that, :)
:) x
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Maggie I am so sorry to hear that I was obviously not on the forum when that happened. You are the last person in the world Maggie that would need to be threatened with the Police what a nightmare for you. I don't think you would know how to break the law >:(
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Don't worry, Roch, NGB. When you've been blamed for Jackie this week it will be back to me for next week. ;D
I was always being blamed by either one side or the other. As Wilfred Pickes always used to say. "It's not mooch foon is it?" Glad I'm out of it. Though my right arm sometimes is difficult to stop from making the nazi salute. ZEEK HEIL. Ooops! sorry. ::)
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Maggie I am so sorry to hear that I was obviously not on the forum when that happened. You are the last person in the world Maggie that would need to be threatened with the Police what a nightmare for you. I don't think you would know how to break the law >:(
I think I might know how susie but I do my best not to, don't see the point in looking for trouble. Thanks for your sympathy. ;D
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Maggie I am so sorry to hear that I was obviously not on the forum when that happened. You are the last person in the world Maggie that would need to be threatened with the Police what a nightmare for you. I don't think you would know how to break the law >:(
It was me that told her I would go to the police over what she was saying. This was when Keira told me she'd banned me because Maggie was sending PM's claiming that I had hacked her phone and Jackie's phone. It wasn't until months later I realised that things weren't as black and white as they had been painted and that Maggie hadn't actually gone to Keira saying she had proof I'd hacked her phone.
I was always being blamed by either one side or the other. As Wilfred Pickes always used to say. "It's not mooch foon is it?" Glad I'm out of it. Though my right arm sometimes is difficult to stop from making the nazi salute. ZEEK HEIL. Ooops! sorry. ::)
Are you trying to be humorous? Because posts like that aren't even slighlty funny! What's gotten into you today - you at first tell the board about your FRIENDS mental illness and now you're posting even more Hitler comments. :-\
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This is all getting rather silly now.
If people cannot be friends can they not just ignore one another?
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This is all getting rather silly now.
If people cannot be friends can they not just ignore one another?
Very good advice Margot. I will.
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This is all getting rather silly now.
If people cannot be friends can they not just ignore one another?
I'll agree to it, if you call me dear, dear.
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Grahame who the heck is Wilfred Pickles not another username of John's is it.
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It was me that told her I would go to the police over what she was saying. This was when Keira told me she'd banned me because Maggie was sending PM's claiming that I had hacked her phone and Jackie's phone. It wasn't until months later I realised that things weren't as black and white as they had been painted and that Maggie hadn't actually gone to Keira saying she had proof I'd hacked her phone.
Are you trying to be humorous? Because posts like that aren't even slighlty funny! What's gotten into you today - you at first tell the board about your FRIENDS mental illness and now you're posting even more Hitler comments. :-\
You are right mat I apologise.
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It was me that told her I would go to the police over what she was saying. This was when Keira told me she'd banned me because Maggie was sending PM's claiming that I had hacked her phone and Jackie's phone. It wasn't until months later I realised that things weren't as black and white as they had been painted and that Maggie hadn't actually gone to Keira saying she had proof I'd hacked her phone.
Are you trying to be humorous? Because posts like that aren't even slighlty funny! What's gotten into you today - you at first tell the board about your FRIENDS mental illness and now you're posting even more Hitler comments. :-\
Yes, well mat you're not the only one who has things to put up with on the forum..You seem to think you are the only one who has stuff to deal with.
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I was always being blamed by either one side or the other. As Wilfred Pickes always used to say. "It's not mooch foon is it?" Glad I'm out of it. Though my right arm sometimes is difficult to stop from making the nazi salute. ZEEK HEIL. Ooops! sorry. ::)
hail graham.
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Grahame who the heck is Wilfred Pickles not another username of John's is it.
Wilfred Pickles was a radio presenter of the 50's. Here is a link http://my-yorkshire.co.uk/people/wilfred-pickles.html
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I'll agree to it, if you call me dear, dear.
thats a good boy. Now dear please stick to your word
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Wilfred Pickles was a radio presenter of the 50's. Here is a link http://my-yorkshire.co.uk/people/wilfred-pickles.html
Was that the programme with 'Mabel at the Table' ghrahame... :o :o ;D ;D ;D
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Yes, well mat you're not the only one who has things to put up with on the forum..You seem to think you are the only one who has stuff to deal with.
Where did I say I'm the ONLY one who has stuff to put up with on the forum? I'm certainly not the only person who has been accused of being other people - in fact I can't think of anyone that has never been accused of having more than one account. I challenge you to find someone who has been accused of being 'fake' more than me though, Maggie.
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Grahame just kidding :)
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Everyone is to have Disagreements with each other!! I bet many would disagreement if I talked a wikileak support that works or know someone that does in the CCRC or essex police to copy all the imformation held under pii then upload them here and send copies over the UK.
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Was that the programme with 'Mabel at the Table' ghrahame... :o :o ;D ;D ;D
Can't remember Maggie, I was only a kid at the time.
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Can't remember Maggie, I was only a kid at the time.
I can Grahame, what about Jimmy Clitheroe, Ray's a Laugh..... Friday nights have never been thesame since!!
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I can Grahame, what about Jimmy Clitheroe, Ray's a Laugh..... Friday nights have never been thesame since!!
Yes I remember listening to them on the wireless after a Sunday lunch of roast beef and Yorshire pudding. My mum's a brilliant cook. She's in her 90's you know. In fact if you all toddle over to kind Mr. Lamberton's forum now you can see a picture of her. And I'm told he has written a bit about her as well. :)
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Yes I remember listening to them on the wireless after a Sunday lunch of roast beef and Yorshire pudding. My mum's a brilliant cook. She's in her 90's you know. In fact if you all toddle over to kind Mr. Lamberton's forum now you can see a picture of her. And I'm told he has written abit about her as well. :)
The Clitheroe Kid, I usd to love that and the Navy Lark on a Sunday....These kids today don't know what they missed.
That is so nice of him to do that for you Grahame. John Lamberton is such a thoughtful person.
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Mat I can honestly say since I joined the forum it is just very recent that I have heard your name linked with another upto that point I had never heard your name and Fake mentioned. Maybe you are just over reacting it is easily done I know.
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The Clitheroe Kid, I usd to love that and the Navy Lark on a Sunday....These kids today don't know what they missed.
That is so nice of him to do that for you Grahame. John Lamberton is such a thoughtful person.
Isn't he though? Bless. We will have to make him a nice wreath to throw onto his grave won't we?
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Mat I can honestly say since I joined the forum it is just very recent that I have heard your name linked with another upto that point I had never heard your name and Fake mentioned. Maybe you are just over reacting it is easily done I know.
You've never heard me accused of being someone else? My first say here Jackie said I was Ann Eaton - then Hartley and a few other people, didn't you see that? She was relentless.
Then Keira thought I was an American - she also said that there was a rumour I was gay and then a women - all this posted on the main board.
Then Stephanie Hall thought I was a man accused of murder - Kevin Cragie.
Finally now - Chelsea thinks I am John Lamberton. :-\
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Lithium certainly is. That's why I posted Margots picture of Baby John Lamberton....to see who defended it !!
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Lithium certainly is. That's why I posted Margots picture of Baby John Lamberton....to see who defended it !!
So does this mean you now accept you were wrong about me - and should apologise?
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Mat I can honestly say since I joined the forum it is just very recent that I have heard your name linked with another upto that point I had never heard your name and Fake mentioned. Maybe you are just over reacting it is easily done I know.
:P its BDSM time to see whos tell porks!! ;D :-* :-*
Anna Eaton? she a tidy lady! I like older ladies! :-* :-*
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Mat when all that was going on I was'ent even on the forum. I thought you and Jackie had become friends. The Saturday it was the glorious 12th me and you made up Rhodes was posting at the same time and he posted to me and said "Jackie I hear you and Mat are meeting up in Brentwood." So I thought you had put all your differences behind you. Keira has now gone and Chelsea is just kidding saying you are John Lamberton indeed.
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So does this mean you now accept you were wrong about me - and should apologise?
Last night I was convinced you were Lamberton. I shall reserve my judgement for the time being Mat. However, shall watch you close. My desk lamp distorted the picture you posted(reflectionon on LCD screen) which made it look like you had a tea cosy on your head !! Hope you did not get a hair do on my account.
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Last night I was convinced you were Lamberton. I shall reserve my judgement for the time being Mat. However, shall watch you close. My desk lamp distorted the picture you posted(reflectionon on LCD screen) which made it look like you had a tea cosy on your head !! Hope you did not get a hair do on my account.
What? That wasn't my picture. That was Lithium you said that to, not me. I am the one with the tattoo. :-\
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John Lamberton cannot be everyone and everywhere.
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packagebuilder I keep telling you I'm an older lady much nicer than Ann :)
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Im not saying he is everyone. I do know that he does like to use a variety of names.
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Mat when all that was going on I was'ent even on the forum. I thought you and Jackie had become friends. The Saturday it was the glorious 12th me and you made up Rhodes was posting at the same time and he posted to me and said "Jackie I hear you and Mat are meeting up in Brentwood." So I thought you had put all your differences behind you. Keira has now gone and Chelsea is just kidding saying you are John Lamberton indeed.
Who is Rhodes, Susan? Sorry I'm not sure which member is called Rhodes. Yeah Jackie has posted on the red forum a few times that she is meeting up with me but I've never arranged this with her. I sent her an email to see why she was saying it and to let her know to be careful because if someone has arranged to meet up with her pretending to be me then that's a little strange.
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Lithium, tell me this. How come you know such detailed information about the Mitchell case ?
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Wow just read this thread properly now, you think I'm Lamberton still?
Your posting style is not his, in my opinion. However I'm not sure if you answered admin's question put to you, about whether you ever posted as D-FENS?
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D-FENS? Thats the name I was searching for last night, and could not find the post.
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Not sure if any of you care or believe what I say. But when people began accusing me and Lithium and whoever else as being JL I checked it out myself. Lithium certianily isn't JL.
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packagebuilder I keep telling you I'm an older lady much nicer than Ann :)
:P :D every lady I tried asking out have always been taken! :-[
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packagebuilder you must be asking the wrong ones. When you say older would that stretch to say 80 or around that age :)
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packagebuilder you must be asking the wrong ones. When you say older would that stretch to say 80 or around that age :)
Hopefully he wouldn't!
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Roch I remember D-Fens was not around for long :) don't think he was Mr.Lamberton.He was having a pop at sandra L.
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Awww thats too old for me, I would love to drive into bed with a 40 year lady! I am 21 ;) if you want head on the adult LH forum! and checkout some of topics there. ;D
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Mat depends how desperate he is :) :) :)
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Having a pop at sandra just like John lamberton does
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if you want head on the adult LH forum!
I mis-read this. :-\
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Awww thats too old for me, I would love to drive into bed with a 40 year lady! I am 21 ;) if you want head on the adult LH forum! and checkout some of topics there. ;D
Um... what is an adult LH forum, or shouldn't I ask?
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Um... what is an adult LH forum, or shouldn't I ask?
I'm not sure either! I'm not sure if he said "if you want head - go there."
Link? :-\
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I'm not sure either! I'm not sure if he said "if you want head - go there."
Link? :-\
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Hi to you Bridget. I am at a loss as to what packagebuilder says never mind knowing what he wants. Don't ask him :) :) :)
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Lithium! Same hoody as your sig!
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I think you are much better looking than Mr. Lamberton :) :) :)
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I don't think he looks like a tea cosy at all..
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Hi to you Bridget. I am at a loss as to what packagebuilder says never mind knowing what he wants. Don't ask him :) :) :)
I'm afraid I already did - I may regret that ;)
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It was his hair she said looks like a tea cosy.
I was going to post another photo with my shirt off but... I think I will leave it. After last time when all you girls fell in love with me etc.. Bridget, Patti, Keira... The bad ones.
Jokes.
lol mat why u wanna know if thats me in the mask or not?
I noticed the hoody was the same. Or least looks like it. I love V for Vendetta.
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Wilfred Pickles was a radio presenter of the 50's. Here is a link http://my-yorkshire.co.uk/people/wilfred-pickles.html
he was also tom courtneys dad in the film billy liar his part was billy fisher tom a hull man like me.
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lol i thought the silly pics were behind us but apparently not that Chelsea said im "definitely" lamberton, just at 7pm. As soon as she's seen that post I'll delete it and hopefully that'll be that. I don't have the slightest interest in Lamberton or what his story is.
Hands up all those who haven't rushed off and saved it, just in case ;)
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Now you have lost me. Might be back later, depending on what mood I am in
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Now you have lost me. Might be back later, depending on what mood I am in
I'm guessing it will be an untrusting mood.
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Bridget more like a Bee Hive :)
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Probably giggly mood. My mate Ruby is 21, we having a get together. I'm putting my Beyonce boots on
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As far as I know, that account was banned for being Lamberton though wasn't it? I've broken no forum rules as far as I'm aware and the only time I'm not making relevant posts in a thread is when I'm defending myself.
Only you haven't followed forum protocol in that you haven't yet introduced yourself in the foyer. Perhaps i you did you wouldn't have caused such a stir in the forum?
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Probably giggly mood. My mate Ruby is 21, we having a get together. I'm putting my Beyonce boots on
Seeing thats all she wears anyway.
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lol I've lost you how? by proving again that I'm not overweight and don't have grey or receding hair? can you just admit I'm not Lamberton? I'll probably be here quite a lot til I start back at the end of the month and I'd rather not go through this every time I try and comment on a topic.
I think she knows we're not JL. She just won't admit it.
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Nah it's my opinion on Luke Mitchells guilt that's causing the problem I think.
So why haven't you introduced yourself? Do you do that in everyday life? Instead of knocking on the front door do you just walk into a strangers house, sit down at the tea table and start talking?
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So why haven't you introduced yourself? Do you do that in everyday life? Instead of knocking on the front door do you just walk into a strangers house, sit down at the tea table and start talking?
Give him a break - the actual mods haven't had a go at him, so quit it. He's a new member maybe he hasn't seen that you're meant to say hello first!
A 'Strangers house' this isn't a bloody online forum!
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Probably giggly mood. My mate Ruby is 21, we having a get together. I'm putting my Beyonce boots on
Have fun Chelsea :D
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Come on, you've got some explaining to do..
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Come on, you've got some explaining to do..
Or a link to post!
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Terrible analogy
(http://i.imgur.com/0krzx.jpg)
Wouldn't you like to share something of the real you with forum members? After all you don't want to be seen breaking any forum rules do you?
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Or a link to post!
We need no filthy links on this forum thank you.
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There was a time when joining and starting out on the foyer was standard my question to the mods is simple do new members have the option to introduce now?
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What do you want me to share? What have you shared?
You'd be suprised.
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What do you want me to share? What have you shared?
I've been here ages mate. I cant remember. Just share with folk a little bit of your life or experiences that you think is safe to do so on an internet forum. And perhapd a little section to explain the case you are interested in and why you have reached the conclusions you have done perhaps? :)
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Ok I just done it, do you feel any better now grahame?
The question is, do you feel better? ;D
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You'd be suprised.
Oh blimey. anyone got a fly swat?
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Oh blimey. anyone got a fly swat?
I meant you'd be suprised at what I've shared. Not what you've shared. Calm down.
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Come on, you've got some explaining to do..
aww Sorry I've read the "signs" wrong!! :-[ :-[ :-[
Sorry!
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There was a time when joining and starting out on the foyer was standard my question to the mods is simple do new members have the option to introduce now?
This is something I hope to address. It has been left to one side. This in itself has lead to disorder. Keep this polished up and some of the rest will slot into place. This was the original reason I introduced it.
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This is something I hope to address. It has been left to one side. This in itself has lead to disorder. Keep this polished up and some of the rest will slot into place. This was the original reason I introduced it.
Thank you Grahame and i wish you every sucess with your post , i trust a restoration of sanity will prevail with time, my only concern is ive not seen anything of patti, a very good member .
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Thank you Grahame and i wish you every sucess with your post , i trust a restoration of sanity will prevail with time, my only concern is ive not seen anything of patti, a very good member .
Hi mertol, I know Patti was galavanting at the weekend....she may still be in recovery....maybe you should give her a call. ;D
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Thank you Grahame and i wish you every sucess with your post , i trust a restoration of sanity will prevail with time, my only concern is ive not seen anything of patti, a very good member .
The reason for the imbalance was because of the resignation of one of the mods. I hope to cover that which Roch is unable to cover. He has a lot of stuff on his plate at the moment and I wish to help out for a bit thats all. Nothing sinister in it at all. My appointment has just been misinterpreted by some.
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Thank you Grahame and i wish you every sucess with your post , i trust a restoration of sanity will prevail with time
Mertol, your post is highly insulting. I thought ngb had put you in the picture today. But it obviously didn't sink in.
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This is starting to get a little silly and i was under the notion the forums primary role is to discuss the case , for now i will take a break i will return in late september, i actually had thought i was simply expressing a view . I will still contact patti via phone though, and a member by email.
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This is starting to get a little silly and i was under the notion the forums primary role is to discuss the case , for now i will take a break i will return in late september, i actually had thought i was simply expressing a view . I will still contact patti via phone though, and a member by email.
Dont go mertol, we will miss you . Im sure things will settle down soon and we'll get back on track.
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Hi Petey
I don't wish to sound picky but it would be nice to see some gender balance in your 'hall of fame'. I personally think that Bridget and Patti contribute significantly.
To be honest I was just naming 4 posters off the top of my head who make far better posts than Jackie ever did. There are a number of other posters who I could have included.
With respect to the 2 people you mentioned, I have no problem with Patti who makes some decent posts, but she has only been on the forum since late April.
Equally although Bridget also makes a number of valuable posts, I have not fully forgiven her for what in my opinion, were her appalling, incredibly hurtful, ill thought out posts regarding the Hillsborough disaster, something which is obviously close to my heart.
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To be honest I was just naming 4 posters off the top of my head who make far better posts than Jackie ever did. There are a number of other posters who I could have included.
With respect to the 2 people you mentioned, I have no problem with Patti who makes some decent posts, but she has only been on the forum since late April.
Equally although Bridget also makes a number of valuable posts, I have not fully forgiven her for what in my opinion, were her appalling, incredibly hurtful, ill thought out posts regarding the Hillsborough disaster, something which is obviously close to my heart.
As I said at the time, I know little about Hillsborough, and all I was trying to do was learn more about it from you. You unfortunately were too blinded by your own emotions to get past the fact that I used to read the Sun.
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Morning Bridget how are you today. Could you believe when you saw the selection list for a new Mod and myself and Margot were not included. Unbelievable :)
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Margot and Susan would have been cool...added some much needed comedy
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Morning Chelsea the mind boggles. But I still think we should have been on the list just out of respect :)
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me too, I am good at moderating people
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Hi Chelsea I much prefer to boss people around :)
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Morning Bridget how are you today. Could you believe when you saw the selection list for a new Mod and myself and Margot were not included. Unbelievable :)
We can still whip these unruly boys into shape dear. They really need to be on the naughty step sometimes.
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Morning Bridget how are you today. Could you believe when you saw the selection list for a new Mod and myself and Margot were not included. Unbelievable :)
Morning Susan, me neither, I guess we are all rejects *sniff*
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We can still whip these unruly boys into shape dear. They really need to be on the naughty step sometimes.
They can't. I'm sitting here at the moment. >:(
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Hi Margot some of them need to be on the naughty step all the time. Best man won :)
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They can't. I'm sitting here at the moment. >:(
Have you been a good boy? If you have you can come off there and let someone else on there
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Have you been a good boy? If you have you can come off there and let someone else on there
Thats what I'm waiting to find out. I feel that I've been found with my hand in the cookie jar at the moment. I would like to say like Cromwell waiting to do battle with the Kings army. But somehow I don't feel very confident for some reason? I think I may have allowed the powder to get wet?
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Good Morning Grahame Congratulations!! I am singing the song to you but you probably can't hear it. I think there is every danger that you and Margot end up on the naughty step together :)
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I could sit on Grahame's knee on the naughty step to keep him company. :)
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Margot I can see exactly where you are going today. :)
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As I said at the time, I know little about Hillsborough, and all I was trying to do was learn more about it from you. You unfortunately were too blinded by your own emotions to get past the fact that I used to read the Sun.
Whether you used to buy the sun, still buy the sun or ever will buy the sun is completely irrelevant to me. It was your hurtful, ill thought out comments regarding the Hillsborough disaster and South Yorkshire police which I took offence to. If, as you say you know little about the disaster, then why make such bold, hurtful statements as you did at the time. How about doing some research before making such comments on a clearly emotive subject.
I don't think you realise the level of upset your ill-perceived series of posts made. Yet rather than apologise for your lack of foresight, you try to spin it round and say i'm blinded by my emotions.
If you want my honest opinion, I thought your comments were absolutely appalling. If I was you I would be deeply apologetic and ashamed over the posts I made, then the matter could be put to bed.
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Whether you used to buy the sun, still buy the sun or ever will buy the sun is completely irrelevant to me. It was your hurtful, ill thought out comments regarding the Hillsborough disaster and South Yorkshire police which I took offence to. If, as you say you know little about the disaster, then why make such bold, hurtful statements as you did at the time. How about doing some research before making such comments on a clearly emotive subject.
I don't think you realise the level of upset your ill-perceived series of posts made. Yet rather than apologise for your lack of foresight, you try to spin it round and say i'm blinded by my emotions.
If you want my honest opinion, I thought your comments were absolutely appalling. If I was you I would be deeply apologetic and ashamed over the posts I made, then the matter could be put to bed.
I had no intention of commenting on Hillsborough at all, you attacked me when I mentioned the fact that I used to read the Sun and dragged me into it. I have no interest in revisiting the subject, but perhaps you could enlighten me as to what I said that so offended you.
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I had no intention of commenting on Hillsborough at all, you attacked me when I mentioned the fact that I used to read the Sun and dragged me into it. I have no interest in revisiting the subject, but perhaps you could enlighten me as to what I said that so offended you.
I did no such thing at all. I have no problem with people who used to read the sun. I have problems with McKenzie, Duckenfield, Murray and I have problems with people who make ill thought out, hurtful posts about the subject as you did.
I equally have no desire to revisit your hurtful posts. All I have ever been hoping for is a genuine apology for the obvious hurt your posts caused. I accept that this was unintentional but your comments were very hurtful not just to me but to anybody affected by the Hillsborough disaster.
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I did no such thing at all. I have no problem with people who used to read the sun. I have problems with McKenzie, Duckenfield, Murray and I have problems with people who make ill thought out, hurtful posts about the subject as you did.
I equally have no desire to revisit your hurtful posts. All I have ever been hoping for is a genuine apology for the obvious hurt your posts caused. I accept that this was unintentional but your comments were very hurtful not just to me but to anybody affected by the Hillsborough disaster.
You certainly did attack me, go back and read the thread. And instead of just repeating your assertion that I have made "hurtful posts" back it up and identify them. If anything you owe me an apology.
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Bridget you should not be on this forum while you are being investigated by the police
Since I'm not, I assume it's ok.
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Hi Margot some of them need to be on the naughty step all the time. Best man won :)
:) :-[
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packagebuilder you will be on the naughty step with Margot. You may enjoy it. :) :)
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You certainly did attack me, go back and read the thread. And instead of just repeating your assertion that I have made "hurtful posts" back it up and identify them. If anything you owe me an apology.
1 "but I think despite that the fans have been vindicated haven't they?" - unbelievable insensitivity. Why do you think 20,000+ people go to Anfield on the 15th April every year to seek justice for the 96, as well as countless hours spent campaigning and speaking with mp's etc.
2 "Yes I'm seriously asking the question. Perception now is that the fans were not at fault, and so the Sun was wrong - the fans are vindicated. What truth hasn't been told and what does JFT96 mean?" - are you living in the real world. The perception amongst a number of people still remains that Liverpool fans were partly culpable for the deaths, despite the fact this is simply not true. The truth that not 1 single person has admitted or accepted culpability.
3 "If the Sun said what you say, of course I understand why people were upset, but I think you over estimate the influence of the Sun, to me it was little more than a comic." - Why question what I say. Just use the internet to check its accuracy which is 100% You understand why people are upset. Could you play down the pain, suffering and devastation caused anymore?! Whether you want to believe it or not the Sun had and has massive massive influence. It is the most widely read newspaper and influences the way people think. If they print a front page headline stating "the truth," people believe it, despite the fact it is pure lies. Why do you think politicians are so keen to get Murdoch onside.
So do you still believe you have nothing to apologise for and your comments were acceptable? Please remember this is a very very emotive subject.
JFT96
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packagebuilder you will be on the naughty step with Margot. You may enjoy it. :) :)
I look forward to sitting on package builders knee now Grahame has dumped me on the floor when he rushed out.
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packagebuilder You have pulled at last :) :) :)
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I look forward to sitting on package builders knee now Grahame has dumped me on the floor when he rushed out.
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1 "but I think despite that the fans have been vindicated haven't they?" - unbelievable insensitivity. Why do you think 20,000+ people go to Anfield on the 15th April every year to seek justice for the 96, as well as countless hours spent campaigning and speaking with mp's etc.
2 "Yes I'm seriously asking the question. Perception now is that the fans were not at fault, and so the Sun was wrong - the fans are vindicated. What truth hasn't been told and what does JFT96 mean?" - are you living in the real world. The perception amongst a number of people still remains that Liverpool fans were partly culpable for the deaths, despite the fact this is simply not true. The truth that not 1 single person has admitted or accepted culpability.
3 "If the Sun said what you say, of course I understand why people were upset, but I think you over estimate the influence of the Sun, to me it was little more than a comic." - Why question what I say. Just use the internet to check its accuracy which is 100% You understand why people are upset. Could you play down the pain, suffering and devastation caused anymore?! Whether you want to believe it or not the Sun had and has massive massive influence. It is the most widely read newspaper and influences the way people think. If they print a front page headline stating "the truth," people believe it, despite the fact it is pure lies. Why do you think politicians are so keen to get Murdoch onside.
So do you still believe you have nothing to apologise for and your comments were acceptable? Please remember this is a very very emotive subject.
JFT96
What disgusts me is the sight of Kelvin McKenzie regularly popping up on the tv and radio. He still attempts to justify his actions and is equally opionated when it comes to other issues. Why would anyone care to hear his opinion on anything? Scum.
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What disgusts me is the sight of Kelvin McKenzie regularly popping up on the tv and radio. He still attempts to justify his actions and is equally opionated when it comes to other issues. Why would anyone care to hear his opinion on anything? Scum.
Agreed Neil ;D ;D
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1 "but I think despite that the fans have been vindicated haven't they?" - unbelievable insensitivity. Why do you think 20,000+ people go to Anfield on the 15th April every year to seek justice for the 96, as well as countless hours spent campaigning and speaking with mp's etc.
2 "Yes I'm seriously asking the question. Perception now is that the fans were not at fault, and so the Sun was wrong - the fans are vindicated. What truth hasn't been told and what does JFT96 mean?" - are you living in the real world. The perception amongst a number of people still remains that Liverpool fans were partly culpable for the deaths, despite the fact this is simply not true. The truth that not 1 single person has admitted or accepted culpability.
3 "If the Sun said what you say, of course I understand why people were upset, but I think you over estimate the influence of the Sun, to me it was little more than a comic." - Why question what I say. Just use the internet to check its accuracy which is 100% You understand why people are upset. Could you play down the pain, suffering and devastation caused anymore?! Whether you want to believe it or not the Sun had and has massive massive influence. It is the most widely read newspaper and influences the way people think. If they print a front page headline stating "the truth," people believe it, despite the fact it is pure lies. Why do you think politicians are so keen to get Murdoch onside.
So do you still believe you have nothing to apologise for and your comments were acceptable? Please remember this is a very very emotive subject.
JFT96
Yes I still believe I have nothing to apologise for so don't hold your breath. Those all seem like perfectly reasonable questions / comments to make, given that I repeatedly told you I knew next to nothing about Hillsborough, you wanted the discussion and I was just trying to understand why you felt the way you do. If anyone wants to read my comments in context they are here:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=2826.30
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Yes I still believe I have nothing to apologise for so don't hold your breath. Those all seem like perfectly reasonable questions / comments to make, given that I repeatedly told you I knew next to nothing about Hillsborough, you wanted the discussion and I was just trying to understand why you felt the way you do. If anyone wants to read my comments in context they are here:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=2826.30
Unbelievable. I didn't want to believe you could be so cold-hearted. I genuinely hope for your sake that it is your naivety over the hurt that your posts has brought, which makes you feel this way.
As you knew next to nothing, either do some research or ask more appropriate, sensitive questions by pm, as opposed to making insensitive, hurtful posts on the open forum.
I'm not looking to pick an argument, but take it from someone who was and is affected by the Hillsborough disaster that your comments and posts were deeply hurtful, insensitive and in my opinion insulting.
If you feel that you do not wish to apologise and that you are in the right, then of course that is your outlook. I'm not going to continue to discuss this matter any further so if that is your belief I genuinely pity you and feel incredibly sorry for your family that you are so cold - hearted and / or unwiling to accept and apologise when you have overstepped the mark. How about showing some humility. Is that too much to ask?
JFT96
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Unbelievable. I didn't want to believe you could be so cold-hearted. I genuinely hope for your sake that it is your naivety over the hurt that your posts has brought, which makes you feel this way.
As you knew next to nothing, either do some research or ask more appropriate, sensitive questions by pm, as opposed to making insensitive, hurtful posts on the open forum.
I'm not looking to pick an argument, but take it from someone who was and is affected by the Hillsborough disaster that your comments and posts were deeply hurtful, insensitive and in my opinion insulting.
If you feel that you do not wish to apologise and that you are in the right, then of course that is your outlook. I'm not going to continue to discuss this matter any further so if that is your belief I genuinely pity you and feel incredibly sorry for your family that you are so cold - hearted and / or unwiling to accept and apologise when you have overstepped the mark. How about showing some humility. Is that too much to ask?
JFT96
Petey all I have ever done is try to understand by asking questions. I'm sorry you can't see that, and I'm sorry if I've offended you, but that's about as far as I can go. You seem intent on deciding what I think, and I can assure you that you haven't a clue. It does appear that rational debate about Hillsborough with you will be impossible, so I'll leave it at that.
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Petey all I have ever done is try to understand by asking questions. I'm sorry you can't see that, and I'm sorry if I've offended you, but that's about as far as I can go. You seem intent on deciding what I think, and I can assure you that you haven't a clue. It does appear that rational debate about Hillsborough with you will be impossible, so I'll leave it at that.
Thankyou for your apology, which I accept.
I can debate the Hillsborough disaster perfectly rationally.
If you have any further specific questions you wish to ask, just send me a pm. Regards