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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: vidvic on August 10, 2012, 01:18:AM
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Are there actually any members, from either side of the fence, that believe 'Z' exists or that Mike has mislaid a photo of Sheila, on the bed with one wound, on a computer system, which would almost certainly lead to an immediate appeal?
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I dont believe so, no.
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Are there actually any members, from either side of the fence, that believe 'Z' exists or that Mike has mislaid a photo of Sheila, on the bed with one wound, on a computer system, which would almost certainly lead to an immediate appeal?
Please forgive my apparent naivety but I am still willing to believe that Z does exist in some form. Although obviously I am as frustrated as anybody that since he was first raised many months ago, very little progress, if any, appears to have been made.
While I say that I am still willing to believe Z does exist, the longer it continues with no postive progress in relation to 'Z', the more sceptical I become!
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What about the photograph, Petey?
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Are there actually any members, from either side of the fence, that believe 'Z' exists or that Mike has mislaid a photo of Sheila, on the bed with one wound, on a computer system, which would almost certainly lead to an immediate appeal?
In relation to such photo, I am still open minded.
However, I would say though, that with the advent of modern technology making it possible to alter photos in so many ways, yet still pass them of as genuine, authentic photographs, this leaves a significant problem.
Any photographs which did arise would automatically be deemed fakes that have been altered / photoshopped / edited etc. Therefore if any such photo did arise, then I think it still leaves a long long way to go before an appeal is granted. This would not be automatic.
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Can you think of any reason why Mike, McKay, NGB or even Bamber himself would not be begging Mike to rip his hard drive, or why Mike isn't trying to find and release this photo to the defence?
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Can you think of any reason why Mike, McKay, NGB or even Bamber himself would not be begging Mike to rip his hard drive, or why Mike isn't trying to find and release this photo to the defence?
I must admit, my honest answer to that is no
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Maybe becuase, Mckay etc dont believe such a picture exists?
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Here's another one…why would you get a secret informant, an informant so scared of detection that mike and Z remove their phone batteries and are suspicious of over flying helicopters, to risk taking said photo into CCRC headquarters, rather than just finding it yourself?
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I guess my feelings regarding Z and the photos come from the fact that when I joined this forum I about 70% believed JB to be innocent. Therefore I joined this forum looking to find evidence to convince me of his innocence.
Z and the apparent photos are both what appear to sound very compelling evidence which point towards JBs innocence.
I have never met Mike and know nothing about him or his personal life. However, If I 100% believed that he was talking bullshit with regards Z and the photos then I would leave the forum.
Until I see some other evidence that directs me another way, I will cling to the fact that Mike is being honest and such evidence does exist.
This may be a naive approach to take and I admit that i am very disappointed that in the year that I have been on this forum, despite numerous claims, mainly from Mike, I have SEEN no evidence that furthers my belief in JBs innocence, such that I now approximately 60% think him innocent.
If im honest, at present I wait in hope, rather than expectation.
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Maybe becuase, Mckay etc dont believe such a picture exists?
As I said above, I dont know the answer.
I think its a bit of a bit cheap shot to say that Simon McKay doesn't believe that such picture exists, as none of us have a clue what he's thinking, what approach he is taking and what emphasis he places on various pieces of evidence at his disposal.
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I guess my feelings regarding Z and the photos come from the fact that when I joined this forum I about 70% believed JB to be innocent. Therefore I joined this forum looking to find evidence to convince me of his innocence.
Z and the apparent photos are both what appear to sound very compelling evidence which point towards JBs innocence.
I have never met Mike and know nothing about him or his personal life. However, If I 100% believed that he was talking bullshit with regards Z and the photos then I would leave the forum.
Until I see some other evidence that directs me another way, I will cling to the fact that Mike is being honest and such evidence does exist.
This may be a naive approach to take and I admit that i am very disappointed that in the year that I have been on this forum, despite numerous claims, mainly from Mike, I have SEEN no evidence that furthers my belief in JBs innocence, such that I now approximately 60% think him innocent.
If im honest, at present I wait in hope, rather than expectation.
So, would it be reasonable for me to argue that rather than encouraging you to support JB, that actually this forum has dissuaded you from supporting him?
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Here's another one…why would you get a secret informant, an informant so scared of detection that mike and Z remove their phone batteries and are suspicious of over flying helicopters, to risk taking said photo into CCRC headquarters, rather than just finding it yourself?
That's standard practice when I meet any of my clients, after a full body search and use of sniffer dogs!
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So, would it be reasonable for me to argue that rather than encouraging you to support JB, that actually this forum has dissuaded you from supporting him?
It would be a fair comment to say that yes my belief in JBs innocence is not as strong as when I first joined the forum a year ago.
However, I would add the caveat that I simply do not have the time to read through the thousands and thousands of documents available through this forum and elsewhere, so although I come from a legal background I am nowhere near as qualifed to speak on this case as a number of other posters and dont have the detailed knowledge that some possess.
BUT I do still think JB is probably innocent.
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It would be a fair comment to say that yes my belief in JBs innocence is not as strong as when I first joined the forum a year ago.
However, I would add the caveat that I simply do not have the time to read through the thousands and thousands of documents available through this forum and elsewhere, so although I come from a legal background I am nowhere near as qualifed to speak on this case as a number of other posters and dont have the detailed knowledge that some possess.
BUT I do still think JB is probably innocent.
Masterful fence sitting....(joke)
I appreciate your honesty.
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Masterful fence sitting....(joke)
I appreciate your honesty.
My legal training came in useful somewhere!
If you have any more questions requiring honest answers, just pm me and I will tell you straight.
Interestingly on this forum overall, pro JB seem to dislike me more, whereas I get on better with anti JB supporters!
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Are there actually any members, from either side of the fence, that believe 'Z' exists or that Mike has mislaid a photo of Sheila, on the bed with one wound, on a computer system, which would almost certainly lead to an immediate appeal?
Be careful what you say about the type of photograph you say I have a copy of, where have I said I have mislaid a photograph of Sheila on the bed with only one wound on her neck? Stop twisting the truth about the photo I have access to. The other thing- the informant "Z" does exist, and he was at the scene when police shot Sheila, but you are free to speculate about what he witnessed and what he has told me, and what he knows about the actual circumstances of how Sheila died in the bedroom long after the police surgeon, Dr Craig, pronounced her as being dead (8:44am). The other thing, Sheila was almost certainly still very much alive when Jeremy complained to a police officer at the scene that police who went into premises had shot dead his family. Jeremy left the scene believing that all his family inside whf were dead because police had told him so, but in Sheila's case this was not true or entirely accurate, she died later, and this is what the police cover up was / is all about...
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Just to put the record straight, I have have always maintained that Sheila shot herself and that she did try to take her own life by way of the so called original shot (bullet PV/20) to the side of the neck. But she had no control over how, when, where, and by whom the fatal shot under the chin was inflicted? In this respect police are responsible for shooting Sheila and it was this shot ( bullet PV/20) that killed her...
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Be careful what you say about the type of photograph you say I have a copy of, where have I said I have mislaid a photograph of Sheila on the bed with only one wound on her neck? Stop twisting the truth about the photo I have access to. The other thing- the informant "Z" does exist, and he was at the scene when police shot Sheila, but you are free to speculate about what he witnessed and what he has told me, and what he knows about the actual circumstances of how Sheila died in the bedroom long after the police surgeon, Dr Craig, pronounced her as being dead (8:44am). The other thing, Sheila was almost certainly still very much alive when Jeremy complained to a police officer at the scene that police who went into premises had shot dead his family. Jeremy left the scene believing that all his family inside whf were dead because police had told him so, but in Sheila's case this was not true or entirely accurate, she died later, and this is what the police cover up was / is all about...
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Mike,
I'm afraid that I don't have the time to trawl through literally thousands of your posts to locate the "offending" entry.
However, if you look at your entry numbered 103 on the "How to lay hands of photographs of Sheila on the bed with one wound" you state that "I may have inadvertently said that I could provide a copy of the photographs of Sheila on the bed with only one wound.."
So, you must accept that you had previously stated that you had such a photograph - please alse see entries numbered 95 - 102 where Tony contends that you had assured him that you had such a photograph
Please also note that within entry numbered 103 you state that you have preserved a copy of the photograph on your hard drive.
I am getting weary of this but I will try one last tim. Mike would you please answer this question:
DO YOU HAVE ON YOUR HARD DRIVE A COPY OF A PHOTOGRAPH WHICH SHOWS SHEILA ON THE BED?
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Without saying much at all that might denigrate Mike in any way, I would say that such a picture if it exists would be worth millions. See my signature.
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Be careful what you say about the type of photograph you say I have a copy of, where have I said I have mislaid a photograph of Sheila on the bed with only one wound on her neck? Stop twisting the truth about the photo I have access to. The other thing- the informant "Z" does exist, and he was at the scene when police shot Sheila, but you are free to speculate about what he witnessed and what he has told me, and what he knows about the actual circumstances of how Sheila died in the bedroom long after the police surgeon, Dr Craig, pronounced her as being dead (8:44am). The other thing, Sheila was almost certainly still very much alive when Jeremy complained to a police officer at the scene that police who went into premises had shot dead his family. Jeremy left the scene believing that all his family inside whf were dead because police had told him so, but in Sheila's case this was not true or entirely accurate, she died later, and this is what the police cover up was / is all about...
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Mike,
I'm afraid that I don't have the time to trawl through literally thousands of your posts to locate the "offending" entry.
However, if you look at your entry numbered 103 on the "How to lay hands of photographs of Sheila on the bed with one wound" you state that "I may have inadvertently said that I could provide a copy of the photographs of Sheila on the bed with only one wound.."
So, you must accept that you had previously stated that you had such a photograph - please alse see entries numbered 95 - 102 where Tony contends that you had assured him that you had such a photograph
Please also note that within entry numbered 103 you state that you have preserved a copy of the photograph on your hard drive.
I am getting weary of this but I will try one last tim. Mike would you please answer this question:
DO YOU HAVE ON YOUR HARD DRIVE A COPY OF A PHOTOGRAPH WHICH SHOWS SHEILA ON THE BED?
Mike
DO YOU HAVE ON YOUR HARD DRIVE A COPY OF A PHOTOGRAPH WHICH SHOWS SHEILA ON THE BED?
It's a pretty simple question
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If theres only about 500+ photos to look into then its not hard, but how ever if Mike had such photo years ago placed in such storage the fact could be mislaid into other things etc may have been forgotten, but I think Mike's the type of person that never forgets or lets anything go!
I could say I believe the photo is about somewhere? may be a bluff tactic!!
I would say the photo of the blood foot print, or footprint in nevil's blood is TRUE and is recorded! FACT
If this foot print is barefooted and sheila's size then this proves her feet were NOT clean and FACT shelia was stood in Nevils blood proving SHE was the killer! and the police cleaned her feet as part of training!
Yes this forum is watch by some of the ex-police officers!!
Its my quest to try and find this photo!
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Mike has yet to provide physical proof such a picture exists at all, however to say it does not may not be fair, given the jury only viewed well planned and select images it may simply be one of the images they never saw, because they were not meant to see it, one thing of note, unless i am mistaken digital cameras were not around then like all the photos they can only exist in a 1st generation format, put simply film or video home system/Betamax format , raw image years before the airbrush talents of agencies like NASA airbrushing plates of the Lunar surface.
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If theres only about 500+ photos to look into then its not hard, but how ever if Mike had such photo years ago placed in such storage the fact could be mislaid into other things etc may have been forgotten, but I think Mike's the type of person that never forgets or lets anything go!
I could say I believe the photo is about somewhere? may be a bluff tactic!!
I would say the photo of the blood foot print, or footprint in nevil's blood is TRUE and is recorded! FACT
If this foot print is barefooted and sheila's size then this proves her feet were NOT clean and FACT shelia was stood in Nevils blood proving SHE was the killer! and the police cleaned her feet as part of training!
Yes this forum is watch by some of the ex-police officers!!
Its my quest to try and find this photo!
"the photo of the blood foot print, or footprint in nevil's blood is TRUE and is recorded! FACT"
Would it be possible for you to publish said photo or provide the relevant link so that it can be seen on this forum?
Jim
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By some strange coincidence, there is a company called "Enigma Data Solutions" based in Uckfield in East Sussex, who appear to specialise in file management and data storage. :-\
http://www.enigmadata.com/
Has Mike said he's made any trips to Uckfield lately?
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Mike was in Essex a while ago, he posted many pictures he took with his camera they looked early morning shots mike gets about.
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If theres only about 500+ photos to look into then its not hard, but how ever if Mike had such photo years ago placed in such storage the fact could be mislaid into other things etc may have been forgotten, but I think Mike's the type of person that never forgets or lets anything go!
I could say I believe the photo is about somewhere? may be a bluff tactic!!
I would say the photo of the blood foot print, or footprint in nevil's blood is TRUE and is recorded! FACT
If this foot print is barefooted and sheila's size then this proves her feet were NOT clean and FACT shelia was stood in Nevils blood proving SHE was the killer! and the police cleaned her feet as part of training!
Yes this forum is watch by some of the ex-police officers!!
Its my quest to try and find this photo!
In fact most here will not believe who watches this forum. But I can tell you it connects with the very top. ;)
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By some strange coincidence, there is a company called "Enigma Data Solutions" based in Uckfield in East Sussex, who appear to specialise in file management and data storage. :-\
http://www.enigmadata.com/
Has Mike said he's made any trips to Uckfield lately?
I have not seen him. 8)
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If theres only about 500+ photos to look into then its not hard, but how ever if Mike had such photo years ago placed in such storage the fact could be mislaid into other things etc may have been forgotten, but I think Mike's the type of person that never forgets or lets anything go!
I could say I believe the photo is about somewhere? may be a bluff tactic!!
I would say the photo of the blood foot print, or footprint in nevil's blood is TRUE and is recorded! FACT
If this foot print is barefooted and sheila's size then this proves her feet were NOT clean and FACT shelia was stood in Nevils blood proving SHE was the killer! and the police cleaned her feet as part of training!
Yes this forum is watch by some of the ex-police officers!!
Its my quest to try and find this photo!
I remember reading about " the footprint ",,but the actual information was in a French newspaper,,, it gave far more in-depth to what went on than our newspapers did. Ours were all biased towards Jeremy being the killer.!
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I have not seen him. 8)
Must have been in stealth mode then. :D
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There an index of the COLP 1991 report listing everything!!
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1900.15.html
most people have seen this! I just grab afew here
but I see two differnet lots of photos of Sheila?
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Sub index
5 BK Photograph of footprint*
7 E photo's of Sheila at the Scene*
23 E video tape of the scene*
37 AB SOCO photo of Sheila Caffell*
32 N 12 loose photo of the scene*?
Yes as I am aware there is a video of the crime scene and one photo of sheila looks of a still from a video with lots of blood!!
why is there two set of sheila photos?
What could be differnet from SOCO, and photo of sheila....
? 12 crime scene photo? are they beening kept back....
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There an index of the COLP 1991 report listing everything!!
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1900.15.html
most people have seen this! I just grab afew here
but I see two differnet lots of photos of Sheila?
Box
Sub index
5 BK Photograph of footprint*
7 E photo's of Sheila at the Scene*
23 E video tape of the scene*
37 AB SOCO photo of Sheila Caffell*
32 N 12 loose photo of the scene*?
Yes as I am aware there is a video of the crime scene and one photo of sheila looks of a still from a video with lots of blood!!
why is there two set of sheila photos?
What could be differnet from SOCO, and photo of sheila....
? 12 crime scene photo? are they beening kept back....
We we have yet to see the video tape of the scene.
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the location of the video tape is unknown?
at CCRC, essex HQ, in a dusty old back room in the police stations in essex, a reporter at the scene?, BBC, under Ron Cooks bed in a "biscuit tin"?
Could these 12 photo be the ones that been supressed?
are we keep getting sheila photos by SOCO?
but the "photos of Sheila at scene"* before SOCO are there? raid team, and tom,dick,harry reporter with a "polaroid" instant photo camera? oh in one photo you see this camera... and the "carpet grippers" along the skirting boads in the main bedroom? proves carpets were ripped up and burned in the yard on the bonfire.....
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In fact most here will not believe who watches this forum. But I can tell you it connects with the very top. ;)
M i 5 ,special branch etc ???..........hmmmm
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M i 5 ,special branch etc ???..........hmmmm
Nope. ;)
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At yesterdays meeting with "Z", I discussed with him in detail what the police got up to by falsifying the photographic evidence to help cover up for the fact that police did shoot Sheila, and put it down to her shooting herself twice, by a reliance on recoil - where the rifle discharged a second shot twice in quick succession? "Z" was eager to point out to me that the same rifle could hardly have fired both shots with it being resting against the bedroom window, when Sheila's body was elsewhere in the bedroom? He is adamant that photograph 23 is key to unlocking the lies which Essex police have been telling regarding the sequence with which photographs of Sheila were taken at the scene - he says photographs, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32 were definitely (100%) taken after 23, not beforehand. He also insists that earlier photographs taken of Sheila in the bedroom show her body on the bed, with only a solitary wound to her throat - these photographs have been removed and supposedly destroyed along with the corresponding photographic negatives (understood to have been 7/8 consecutively taken pictures), but as "Z" says, copies of the said photographs were retained by some members of the raid team (for insurance purposes), who were not happy with being told to report the discovery of Sheila's body on the bedroom floor with the rifle atop it, when this / that was not how they had found her body. He says that police originally found Sheila downstairs, at which time the rifle which was spotted by WPC Julia Jeapes was resting against the upstairs bedroom window, where it remained until PC Bird took photograph 23 showing it there...
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Well whoever Z is, he's not American, otherwise he'd be called Zee. ;)
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At yesterdays meeting with "Z", I discussed with him in detail what the police got up to by falsifying the photographic evidence to help cover up for the fact that police did shoot Sheila, and put it down to her shooting herself twice, by a reliance on recoil - where the rifle discharged a second shot twice in quick succession? "Z" was eager to point out to me that the same rifle could hardly have fired both shots with it being resting against the bedroom window, when Sheila's body was elsewhere in the bedroom? He is adamant that photograph 23 is key to unlocking the lies which Essex police have been telling regarding the sequence with which photographs of Sheila were taken at the scene - he says photographs, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32 were definitely (100%) taken after 23, not beforehand. He also insists that earlier photographs taken of Sheila in the bedroom show her body on the bed, with only a solitary wound to her throat - these photographs have been removed and supposedly destroyed along with the corresponding photographic negatives (understood to have been 7/8 consecutively taken pictures), but as "Z" says, copies of the said photographs were retained by some members of the raid team (for insurance purposes), who were not happy with being told to report the discovery of Sheila's body on the bedroom floor with the rifle atop it, when this / that was not how they had found her body. He says that police originally found Sheila downstairs, at which time the rifle which was spotted by WPC Julia Jeapes was resting against the upstairs bedroom window, where it remained until PC Bird took photograph 23 showing it there...
According to what "Z" told me yesterday, once WPC Jeapes spotted the rifle at the bedroom window, (15 minutes or so before the raid team began to commence their approach to enter the farmhouse), Jeapes and other officers kept the rifle at the bedroom window in their sights at all times until police inside the premises completed their search up to and inclusive of the message being passed at 8:10am, where it was reported (Radio log contents) that a further three bodies had been found upstairs by that stage?
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According to what "Z" told me yesterday, once WPC Jeapes spotted the rifle at the bedroom window, (15 minutes or so before the raid team began to commence their approach to enter the farmhouse), Jeapes and other officers kept the rifle at the bedroom window in their sights at all times until police inside the premises completed their search up to and inclusive of the message being passed at 8:10am, where it was reported (Radio log contents) that a further three bodies had been found upstairs by that stage?
Anyone who thinks that WPC Jeapes simply spotted the rifle at the bedroom window before the raid team set off to go into the premises and that from that point onwards it was forgotten about, should think again, because it was important to keep sight of that rifle which appeared at the bedroom window some 15 minutes or so before the raid team set off to get into the premises, it had not been there beforehand, so obviously someone (Sheila) had placed it there...
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Anyone who thinks that WPC Jeapes simply spotted the rifle at the bedroom window before the raid team set off to go into the premises and that from that point onwards it was forgotten about, should think again, because it was important to keep sight of that rifle which appeared at the bedroom window some 15 minutes or so before the raid team set off to get into the premises, it had not been there beforehand, so obviously someone (Sheila) had placed it there...
"Z" also asked me to point out to forum members and visitors that WPC Julia Jeapes was a trained firearms instructor, and she reported seeing what appeared to be a rifle that was leaning up against the bedroom window, not a shotgun? He points out that there were only three rifles found at the scene (whf) that morning (1) the Bamber owned Anshulz .22 semi-automatic rifle, (2) Anthony Pargeters .22 Bruno bolt action rifle, and (3) the .22 air rifle. According to the police (1) was found on Sheila's body (although it was resting against the bedroom window). Well, Pargeter claims his rifle was not at the scene on the night, evening, morning of the shootings, since he had taken his rifle home with him to Bourne-end in Buckinghamshire. Rifle (2) was found on the small spiral stairway that led up from the kitchen to the upstairs landing, and so there could not be a second rifle leaning up against the bedroom window, and be on Sheila's body at one and the same time...
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Be careful ::) of Sheila on the bed with only one wound on her neck? Stop twisting the truth about the photo I have access to. The other thing- the informant "Z" does exist, and he was at the scene when police shot Sheila, but you are free to speculate about what he witnessed and what he has told me, and what he knows about the actual circumstances of how Sheila died in the bedroom long after the police surgeon, Dr Craig, pronounced her as being dead (8:44am). The other thing, Sheila was almost certainly still very much alive when Jeremy complained to a police officer at the scene that police who went into premises had shot dead his family. Jeremy left the scene believing that all his family inside whf were dead because police had told him so, but in Sheila's case this was not true or entirely accurate, she died later, and this is what the police cover up was / is all about...
I'd just like to clarify, mike has stated he doesn't have the original,hard copy or copy on any media source of tis photo.
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But he knows a man who does.!
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At yesterdays meeting with "Z", I discussed with him in detail what the police got up to by falsifying the photographic evidence to help cover up for the fact that police did shoot Sheila, and put it down to her shooting herself twice, by a reliance on recoil - where the rifle discharged a second shot twice in quick succession? "Z" was eager to point out to me that the same rifle could hardly have fired both shots with it being resting against the bedroom window, when Sheila's body was elsewhere in the bedroom? He is adamant that photograph 23 is key to unlocking the lies which Essex police have been telling regarding the sequence with which photographs of Sheila were taken at the scene - he says photographs, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32 were definitely (100%) taken after 23, not beforehand. He also insists that earlier photographs taken of Sheila in the bedroom show her body on the bed, with only a solitary wound to her throat - these photographs have been removed and supposedly destroyed along with the corresponding photographic negatives (understood to have been 7/8 consecutively taken pictures), but as "Z" says, copies of the said photographs were retained by some members of the raid team (for insurance purposes), who were not happy with being told to report the discovery of Sheila's body on the bedroom floor with the rifle atop it, when this / that was not how they had found her body. He says that police originally found Sheila downstairs, at which time the rifle which was spotted by WPC Julia Jeapes was resting against the upstairs bedroom window, where it remained until PC Bird took photograph 23 showing it there...
hummm so the raid team and first lot of FU officers are covering-up, then poor DIs Ron Cook and other other DI have such case left in their laps? of course Ron and other DI had to play along with it or they be in the spotlight and be blamed for the poor handling of the case!! :-[
Most Raid team officers don't live in the uk now???? ???
I wonder if photo are beening hidden under index number? who can have access to such photos?
if the photos of Sheila on the bed are cut out and handed out to officers? then we must find another way? like footprinter or call logs but I wonder if footprints are under PII or under a file in the CCRC?
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Most Raid team officers don't live in the uk now???? ???
Is this true?
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Is this true?
smells like a golden relocation to me with san miguel case of beer a day.
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As far I've been told by an ex-police DI that worked on the case, yes I believe his on this forum and said most don't live here anymore and sometime has e-mail connact with them? true or not thats all I know!
I do person know one ex-office in the case, I have his tel number and business address LOL! :)
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smells like a golden relocation to me with san miguel case of beer a day.
And a complete box set of Dallas. ::)
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And a complete box set of Dallas. ::)
possible maggie , i was thinking of Eldorado
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possible maggie , i was thinking of Eldorado
Yes, that is maybe a better possibility, it would probably suit better. That was a pretty chaotic disaster as well wasn't it?
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possible maggie , i was thinking of Eldorado
Mertol, what has happened to Patti, is she ok?
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Mertol, what has happened to Patti, is she ok?
patti sent me a email earlier tonight, i was hoping to see her on the forum, i guess she has had a hard week with this heat and all so she may have had a early kippo, im sure patti will be here over the weekend, i feel she may be watching the end of the games and closing ect.
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Yes, that is maybe a better possibility, it would probably suit better. That was a pretty chaotic disaster as well wasn't it?
Did you know actor william Lucas who played the fraud guy with the white beard was the Dr in Black Beauty ?
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I am here....you two...hic! But I am yawning away and must hit the sack....Ni nites all xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Night Patti ;D hugs
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patti sent me a email earlier tonight, i was hoping to see her on the forum, i guess she has had a hard week with this heat and all so she may have had a early kippo, im sure patti will be here over the weekend, i feel she may be watching the end of the games and closing ect.
Yes, I think she was tired and hit the chardonnay early. The forum is not the same without Patti.
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I am here....you two...hic! But I am yawning away and must hit the sack....Ni nites all xxxxxxxxxxxx
Night Patti, sleep tight.x
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I am here....you two...hic! But I am yawning away and must hit the sack....Ni nites all xxxxxxxxxxxx
take care champ, kippo bliss awaits, enjoy.
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Night Patti, sleep tight.x
told you a porky maggie i knew about the chardo in the email from patti.
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told you a porky maggie i knew about the chardo in the email from patti.
I'm sure you did and she deserved it, she's been dreaming about it for days.....sweet dreams Patti ;D
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hummm so the raid team and first lot of FU officers are covering-up, then poor DIs Ron Cook and other other DI have such case left in their laps? of course Ron and other DI had to play along with it or they be in the spotlight and be blamed for the poor handling of the case!! :-[
On the face of it, and providing you can bring yourselves to accept that Sheila did not get shot by the second bullet (PV/19) under the chin until after photograph 23 was taken (which is true whether any of you believe it or not) an accusing finger and liability for the shooting of Sheila does appear to fall directly at the feet of DI Cook and the other SOCO present inside the farmhouse that morning, as a result of one of them moving the rifle from the bedroom window onto Sheila's body. This comes about because they have not not told the truth about the group of other firearms officers who were not part of the original (six man) raid team, which entered whf at about 7:30am, comes from the remaining group of firearms officers who were in attendance inside the farmhouse carrying out a training exercise. The identities of this other group of firearms officers has been kept a closely guarded secret? But I can now reveal who some of them were (Or at least I can provide details of all the firearms officers in attendance that morning, and you can work out for yourselves who they were / are by deducting the identities of the six man raid team from that list). - I will provide a list of all the firearms officers i attendance at the scene that morning later on this morning, so please bear with me. You may like to consider the possibility or not, that one of my informants identity is amongst one or other of these ( "Z" has agreed that I can phrase this disclosure in this way, because he is aware that everyone is very interested in who he is, and that many others think he does not exist)?
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