Jeremy Bamber Forum
OFF TOPIC => General => Topic started by: Buster2 on June 23, 2012, 05:55:PM
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What I don't get is if the posters on the red forum go to far, which I agree they do. Why do people continue to post there?
What benefit is a forum that just attacks people? That is their sole purpose. Not to help anyone.
I wish Jackie well and hope she can come back here soon
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Andrea - welcome to my world. When you post on both forums you have to explain why, you have to defend the fact that you are there and here - I have had to do it numerous times.
I have lost count of how many times I have said on the red forum that they need to stop, that they have gone too far and that I don't agree. But this gets ignored here.
Actually, one time NGB did thank me for my comments on the red forum - but no one else has.
Mat, your forum career has been followed from the start. At times you present as a player, skating on thin ice. Unless you display consistent genuineness, you will be viewed neither as consistent nor genuine.
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Mat, your forum career has been followed from the start. At times you present as a player, skating on thin ice. Unless you display consistent genuineness, you will be viewed neither as consistent nor genuine.
Exactly, Roch, I agree.
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Why dont you rename the thread, call it ANDREA ?
I've a better suggestion. Why don't you just go back to the forum that you moderate so well. Stop all the abuse of lamberton and bennett and co then you may just be worthy enough to post here. Instead I just see you as an arrogant woman with no conscience at all.
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I am more than capable of taking care of myself, and answering for myself. But you cant expect me to answer for others.
Yes, lets leave it there.
You are a moderator over there. So do a bit of moderating over there and stop the abuse. Well aint it strange that shona and you hate Jackie being there bu lamberton wants her there. How interesting is that? lol
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Im not worthy enough to post here, and i have no conscience? What do you think this forum is, Grahame? Its a forum on the net, nothing special.
Why dont you ask Jack why shes posting on the red forum? I actually dont hate it that jackie posts there, im not bothered grahame, not half as much as it must bother you! I couldnt care less, jackie has more than showed her true colours. You bang on about abuse from the other forum and how all posters over there are scum, numpties, retards etc. Well, what does that make Jackie?
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I still think its odd.
And I too think its odd that you are here. You said to Jackie that two wrongs don't make a right. But you are still there supposedly moderating a forum which is dedicated to abusing members here. Run by the same man who rums the facebook hate page which you professed to loath. Tell me Andrea. Why are YOU friends with the abuser and ex convict lamberton? A bit odd wouldn't you say? Just because someone abuses you, you abuse them and say nothing about all the other abuse that goes on. I used to like you Andrea. When Keira went on and on asking me to ban you, I refused again and again. I defended you against abuse. I defended Shona against abuse but how strange that those two people who I defended are the same two people who either abuse me and my family, or approve of it. That is what I count as strange.
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So, Keira went on and on asking for you to ban me Grahaem, can you tell me what i had done so wrong for Keira to feel that way? You can send it in a pm if you prefer.
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So, Keira went on and on asking for you to ban me Grahaem, can you tell me what i had done so wrong for Keira to feel that way? You can send it in a pm if you prefer.
Grahame and Andrea,
I prefer to speak for myself. I believed that you were abusing some of our members, Andrea.
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Read my posts, keira. The only member i abused was Jackie. that was after she made an attack on my family. My posts are all there on the red forum, you can view them.
So i dont where or who gave you that idea?
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Read my posts, keira. The only member i abused was Jackie. that was after she made an attack on my family. My posts are all there on the red forum, you can view them.
So i dont where or who gave you that idea?
Keira's not taking about lambertons forum. You seem to have a very short memory Andrea?
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Remind me then , Grahame.
In fact, why dont you go on the red forum and ask them yourself? Instead of going on at me.
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Read my posts, keira. The only member i abused was Jackie. that was after she made an attack on my family. My posts are all there on the red forum, you can view them.
So i dont where or who gave you that idea?
Andrea,
I can't read your posts - well, except for a few of them. With the exception of the rare occasions when someone sent me a link and a message that the JL forum was having a go at me, or occasionally a link to someone else being abused there, I never looked at your forum at all. When I was sent there via a link I could never make any sense of it. I have never been a member, so could not search for anything. I therefore relied on odd links to odd groups of comments here and there and what others told all of us here about the abuse of our members on your forum.
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Well, if you get the chance, Keira, have a look.
Grahame it may be best to put me on ignore?
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Keira's not taking about lambertons forum. You seem to have a very short memory Andrea?
I was talking about JL's forum. I've not been on here during the day time today, and had a lot of posts to catch up on when I came on this evening. I clearly didn't do sufficient catch ups. My apologies.
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Well, if you get the chance, Keira, have a look.
Grahame it may be best to put me on ignore?
JL's forum is a maze to a non-member , Andrea.
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Andrea, you should drag Shona and Tim here to help you answer questions. Neither of them would do so in their own name. Jackiepreece has just asked one of the million dollar questions on your forum. Can you please get Shona or Tim to answer it... and for once... take responsibility for what was posted on your / their forum?
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Andrea, you should drag Shona and Tim here to help you answer questions. Neither of them would do so in their own name. Jackiepreece has just asked the one of the million dollar questions on your forum. can you please get Shona or Tim to answer it... and for once... take responsibility for what was posted on your forum?
Don't keep us in suspense, Rocky, what was the question?
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Don't keep us in suspense, Rocky, what was the question?
I don't want to repeat it here :(
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I don't want to repeat it here :(
Ah, right...
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Keira, are you saying i should take responsibility for what is posted on the red forum? Have i misunderstood?
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Keira, are you saying i should take responsibility for what is posted on the red forum? Have i misunderstood?
Everyone on the red forum needs to take responsibility for the stuff that has been posted there. Who stood up to anyone on there?
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JL's forum is a maze to a non-member , Andrea.
I never go on the lamberton forum and never will and simply cannot understand why anyone would go on a forum dedicated to abusing pro Bamber members on here?
Keira you have obviously forgotten the trouble Andrea caused on here with Shona. Remember the video made about Smiffy and the abuse dealt out to him? In those days the abuse was not centred around Jackie. In fact Jackie was then friends with Andrea and Shona. But both Andrea and Shona both took part in this abuse and you Keira kept asking me to ban Andrea and I refused. In fact it was that "joke" about Smiffy that prompted me to say something about "perhaps we had better make a video about shona shagging her dogs". This was to bring it to shona's attention that what she was doing with smiffy was out of order.
When shona continued to complain about me not banning smiffy and saying I was a crap moderator and that how it was much better without moderators etc that smiffy began to be abusive towards her. She conveniently forgot that I defended her on this matter and did actually ban smiffy.
I even pm'd her and told her that she didn't deserve all that abuse. But she didn't remember that I did it for her alone and so I posted a pm from her thanking me for defending her and telling me I was very fair and lenient with her. I have only ever posted one pm as far as I can remember and it was for that specific reason, to remind her that I had defended her. But now it becomes a regular occurrence on the other forum how I betrayed her confidence and that I like sex with dogs etc.
I also defended Andrea when Jackie attacked her. But that was not enough. She said I was wrong and that Jackie should be banned. But I only banned people rarely and dealt with the normal members with a fair and equal hand. But I recognised the trolls and banned them immediately so as to control the trouble they were bringing to the forum. These troll went crying over to the lamberton forum when the first one started up and pretended not to be trolls and told everyone how unfair it was that they had been banned. Of course abs left as well saying something about revealing other people's pm's and that it was a moderator that did it.
Well I just about sick and tired of it all. I tried my best when I was admin and I'm sure the present moderators do their best as well. It it certainly a job that leads one to distraction that's for sure. But I really was well and truly pissed off about Andrea and Shona buggering off to the lamberton forum telling everyone what a monster I am and they still do to this day. And some wonder why I leave and join again? They both even make fun of this. The reason I don't stay away is because I think to myself, this is about the miscarriage of justice that is being suffered by one man and I cannot let that go. So now I call a spade a spade and not a shovel.
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Shona can mouth off as much as she likes. Mouthing off doesn't wipe her record over there. She needs to explain why she didn't have the courage to challenge about Jo. NO moral courage to challenge on that score? Also, if she is a genuine mod, why is she allowing all the guests to post abuse over there? Could it be that the guests posting abuse are actually longstanding forum members who wish to avoid posting abuse in their real names? :-\
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I'll tell you another cop out. "I'm not responsible for Tim". WHAT A JOKE. Even when you's are given Mod duties, you say the same thing. Meanwhile Tim goes off and privately posts about 'n*****s in the jungle' etc. All he gets is some cross pm's and protestations of people not being responsible for him. Is anybody responsible for anything over there? Would it not be closer to the truth to just admit that even the mods are part of the culture of abuse?
F***'s sake... at least be honest with your selves.
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Keira, are you saying i should take responsibility for what is posted on the red forum? Have i misunderstood?
I don't know, Andrea, I can't decide.
I sincerely hope not because there's someone over there making a thinly veiled threat to shoot someone.
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Grahame, where have i mouthed off about you on the red forum? im sick and tired of people saying i have in some way abused you, when i havent.
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Did you also forget the post made about me, grahame? saying my views are worthless because i had mental health problems in the past?
Not to mention the distasteful posts on the case its self.
People have been abused on both sides Grahame, Jackie obviously isnt bothered anymore because she is a member of the red forum, and seems to be getting on ok.
Why continue it all? Where is it getting you? You have made your point grahame, you dont the red forum and the people that post on it, thats clear. Just leave it at that.
I have spoken for myself but cant speak for others.
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Everyone on the red forum needs to take responsibility for the stuff that has been posted there. Who stood up to anyone on there?
Erm, me? Why else would NGB PM me and say thanks for standing up.
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Erm, me? Why else would NGB PM me and say thanks for standing up.
Who were you standing up for mat?
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On there I have stood up for Grahame, NGB, ROch, Keira, Patti and Jackie. Oh, and Susan.
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On there I have stood up for Grahame, NGB, ROch, Keira, Patti and Jackie. Oh, and Susan.
Thanks mat I was curious but thats fair enough.
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Thanks mat I was curious but thats fair enough.
So mat have you any idea who posted people's personal details all over the other (red) forum?
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"The function of wisdom is to discriminate between good and evil."
Cicero
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So mat have you any idea who posted people's personal details all over the other (red) forum?
Yeah. John/Tim. They posted under their own accounts didn't they? Do should be no confusion. But of course they needed to be fed information.
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Yeah. John/Tim. They posted under their own accounts didn't they? Do should be no confusion. But of course they needed to be fed information.
Sorry, I didnt know that as I dont go over there....do you have any idea who fed them?
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Sorry, I didnt know that as I dont go over there....do you have any idea who fed them?
Not allowed to talk about it, Mags.
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Not allowed to talk about it, Mags.
Really, Why?
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Really, Why?
Best left off the board.
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Again
"The function of wisdom is to discriminate between good and evil."
Cicero
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Again
"The function of wisdom is to discriminate between good and evil."
Cicero
Exactly. So not everyone there is good or is veil, a mixture. Same for here.
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If anyone thinks that forum is going to continue then you are a fool , when i get mad im madder than Hitler now ive had enough im on that forum too, prepare for a 1st nuclear strike against it.
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If anyone thinks that forum is going to continue then you are a fool , when i get mad im madder than Hitler now ive had enough im on that forum too, prepare for a 1st nuclear strike against it.
Flippin' 'eck!
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If anyone thinks that forum is going to continue then you are a fool , when i get mad im madder than Hitler now ive had enough im on that forum too, prepare for a 1st nuclear strike against it.
lol..
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Praise the Lord and pass the Ammunition and we all stay free.
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Praise the Lord and pass the Ammunition and we all stay free.
Praise the Lord!
God bless, Mertol. Take care x
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If anyone thinks that forum is going to continue then you are a fool , when i get mad im madder than Hitler now ive had enough im on that forum too, prepare for a 1st nuclear strike against it.
ja woll mein führer
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Praise the Lord and pass the Ammunition and we all stay free.
"Trust in God and keep the powder dry" (Cromwell)
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Hi Grahame I was just wondering is SandraL and the other sandra one of the same. confused ;)
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Hi Grahame I was just wondering is SandraL and the other sandra one of the same. confused ;)
No Patti. Sandra L is Sandra Lean the author. sandra on the other hand is a troll from the swamp called the lamberton forum. Observe that I use all lower case letters for these idiots. ;)
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Grahame, may I ask you for your opinion of Sandra Lean? I have read some quite unpleasant things about her. Sometimes it's very difficult to get to the truth!
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On there I have stood up for Grahame, NGB, ROch, Keira, Patti and Jackie. Oh, and Susan.
OK Mat I do accept that. Credit where it's due.
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Not to mention the distasteful posts on the case its self.
This is another thing that really gets my goat. So now everyone on JL's first forum is a prude? Sensitive posts about the case are therefore used as an excuse to attack individual forum members over here?? I don't think so. Nobody on that forum past or present is a prude or any such thing. The family's spokesperson made it quite clear that JL's forum was persona non grata. Vile. So he was attacked also!
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Not allowed to talk about it, Mags.
Mat, can you please pm me.
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This is another thing that really gets my goat. So now everyone on JL's first forum is a prude? Sensitive posts about the case are therefore used as an excuse to attack individual forum members over here?? I don't think so. Nobody on that forum past or present is a prude or any such thing. The family's spokesperson made it quite clear that JL's forum was persona non grata. Vile. So he was attacked also!
I did say so at the time, Roch. Then smiffy accused me of being a prude etc.
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I did say so at the time, Roch. Then smiffy accused me of being a prude etc.
OK, I'm putting this to bed now as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure people would rather be discussing the box room or the hand swabs or Jimmy Bell. I might split the topic from quite far back.
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Grahame, may I ask you for your opinion of Sandra Lean? I have read some quite unpleasant things about her. Sometimes it's very difficult to get to the truth!
All I can tell you is that she campaigns for victims of injustice and has received death threats and has been the subject of many lies that all campaigners against MOJ's are subjected to. She has also written a book on the subject entitled "No Smoke". Without telling you more I would rather you bought the book and read it for yourself. I might add of course that she has not written anything about JB, Because in her words, "So many people have written about the case as it is", or words to that effect.
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Hi Neil Sandra L did an excellent post in response to the de-fend yesterday I was really impressed boy can she string her words together and she showed me the error of my ways how I had looked at the situation. :)
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I split the 'Jackie' thread in two, roughly from the point where most of the posts appeared to be a dispute re the two forums. However, I used the split topic facility incorrectly which has meant having to change the title of every single post.
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Grahame, may I ask you for your opinion of Sandra Lean? I have read some quite unpleasant things about her. Sometimes it's very difficult to get to the truth!
Hey, Neil. What would you like to know about me? I'm Dr Sandra Lean, author and researcher (the mods/admins will confirm this), have been working in the arena of wrongful accusation and conviction for 9 years in July, during which time I've learned a great deal, and am well aware there's so much more still to learn. I also hold a specialist paralegal qualification in Criminal Law (Scotland).
I have never asked for payment for any of the work I have done, I do what I do because I believe it is the right thing to do, and for no other reason. I am a single mother with two grown up daughters.
Ask away - I'm happy to answer any questions you have about my work.
Regards
Sandra L
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Hi Grahame
I was told off earlier by Rochford for posting on that thread and am under threat of going over his knee so I thought I'd best reply here ;D
You're right I don't know all the background and I haven't been singled out for for abuse and by abuse I mean name calling albeit sick name calling eg having sex with animals etc, etc so I wldn't wish to minimise anyones grief that has suffered in this way and I do appreciate how acute this would have been for you personally with your daughter being ill. However, I personally wld like to think that if I or anyone associated with me did experience this sort of abuse I wld just feel sorry for the perpetrators as quite frankly it's childish beyond words and not at all funny/amusing and portrays them in a bad light overall. But at the end of the day...sticks and stones...
I understand Jackie had some taxis/takeaway food sent to her home and that is altogether different and I wld have thought legally is bordering on harassment.
As I see it posting on forums/facebook/twitter etc is relatively new ie last 10 years or so and it's currently self-regulated. So what one person thinks is acceptable/funny is offensive to another. If members of the public want to engage in this sort of communication I think they just have to accept that they cld be in for a bit of stick in the same way that those in the public eye are. I remember a few months back The Telegraph did a piece about Rowan Williams slating David Cameron and George Osborns 'big society' etc and boy did Rowan Williams get some abuse from the readers' comments. Google anyone in the public eye and you will see they suffer abuse on blogs and forums etc. To all intents and purposes we, ie members of this forum, put ourselves in the public eye by posting on a forum on www. There seems to be a correlation between those that have contributed the most on this forum eg yourself and Jackie and the level of abuse meted. :(
I personally think these people are best ignored however difficult this might be at times as by not doing so plays into their hands, lowers the tone of the forum and detracts from the main objective. :)
I apreciate what you say. But it has all been said before. I just don't like them coming over here and playing us for fools whilst they continue with their abuse over there. Internet abuse is so common nowadays that the police are beginning to take it seriously. The aim of these people is plain. They intend to bring this forum down by lies and abuse. It is not just a case of mudslinging and ignoring these people. Because they are actively involved by any underhanded means at their disposal to bring this forum into disrepute and therefore they must be actively opposed as far as I can see.
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well they have been at it a long time now and havent brought us down and i dont think they ever will
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well they have been at it a long time now and havent brought us down and i dont think they ever will
I agree.
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you never know the might just give up and get a life.
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Hi nugnug hope you are right :)
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Unbelievable.
I have confirmed with the moderators and admin that I am who I say I am. I have not posted on forums other than WAP for a very long time, simply because of exactly this type of thing.
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Let me guess, Kevin Craigie? Ann Eaton? Some other woman? Karen? Bridget? Me? ;D
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If Stephanie Hall bumped into a red telephone box she would be accusing it of being Kevin Craigie, John Lamberton, Karen Torley, Stephanie Bon, Wullie Beck or Sandra. Then she would be accusing the phone box of stalking her !!!