Jeremy Bamber Forum

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Title: Andrea
Post by: JackiePreece on March 15, 2012, 12:00:PM
I think the question is what have I done to you?

I have never had much to do with you but you choose to go on to a forum and make comments about me to Shona?
You decide to join a forum that for months has been saying the most vile disgusting things about me and the main person saying them is Shona when there is no truth what has been said about me
I am not ugly
I am not a skank
I am not lonely
I own my own property
I have a family
Yet Shona says the most wicked things about me and you pronounce she is a wonderful person
Well said Andrea
Perhaps you would like to explain why you would think a wonderful person would do such a thing?
You have joined a forum and are friendly with people who have printed my personal details on the forum and on twitter yet you find this behaviour acceptable
They have now printed Grahames personal details which you obviously also find acceptable as you are still a member of that forum

You have turned on Jeremy for no good reason than you prefer to be friends with the people on the guilty side, that includes the disgusting hoseydave

Being a theif does not make someone a murderer!
I will quite happily post anyone on Lambertons sites personal details if the site continues to post mine and it's forum members endorse it

Before you join in with the Jackie is ugly, sad, lonely brigade I suggest you look at your own life Andrea instead of being nasty to me

I am absolutely disgusted with anyone who takes part in a forum that has said the most evil things about me Mike and Grahame

People in glasshouses Andrea
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: andrea on March 15, 2012, 12:09:PM
So... you saw fit to put personal details about me and my family in an email because i post on the other forum? is that what you're saying?

I will post and speak to who i like jackie, and i wont be told be told by the likes of you who i can, or cant speak to.

That email you sent around showed you for what you really are, a trouble causer who has an un healthy obssession with a convicted murderer. Do you really think i need to take a look at my life? I suggest you examine yours!

Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: grahameb on March 15, 2012, 12:10:PM
Jackie. Please do not let this thing escalate. I also do not like our members to go there either as it is just feeding the pigs as it were. I never go there myself because I'm running out of air freshener and I come out of that place with the stench of sewers on me and I have to have a shower to remove it.
But it is their choice if they go there. If Andrea has joined in the abuse over there then I would understand your anger. But she hasn't. Her only offence is that to my mind she has acted unwisely and have thought them to be reasonable people. But of course they lack even the resolution of a child and that is apparent. But Andrea has done nothing wrong just by being a member there. And that is a very difficult thing for me to say.
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: grahameb on March 15, 2012, 12:12:PM
So... you saw fit to put personal details about me and my family in an email because i post on the other forum? is that what you're saying?

I will post and speak to who i like jackie, and i wont be told be told by the likes of you who i can, or cant speak to.

That email you sent around showed you for what you really are, a trouble causer who has an un healthy obssession with a convicted murderer. Do you really think i need to take a look at my life? I suggest you examine yours!
Please do not esalate this Andrea.
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: andrea on March 15, 2012, 12:23:PM
Im astonished Grahame that jackie sees fit to send emails containing personal info, because i post on another forum. She's a disgrace, simple as that really.

your trouble jack is that you cant bear anyone who thinks jb is guilty, jeremy Bamber is no saint, why cant you see that.

Does it really annoy you so much that i have taken another look at the case and think him to be guilty? why cant you just accept it?

You say your personal details were posted on the other forum? was it me that posted them?

Have i taken part in calling Grahame names on the other forum?

Have i taken part in calling NGB names on the other forum?

What makes you think that me and John lamberton are the best of friends?  iam quite puzzled as to how you came to that conclusion.
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: andrea on March 15, 2012, 12:32:PM
you say i pronounce Shona as a wonderful person. She is actually.

You pronounce Jeremy bamber is a wonderful person, Oh dear! need i say more?
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: JackiePreece on March 15, 2012, 12:38:PM
Andrea you joined in a conversation about me the other night

You are taking part in a forum that is saying disgusting things about me Mike and Grahame

I got your personal details off the Internet as the forum that you are part of can be investigated by the police

As you said you are in personal contact with Shona and HorseyDave so you are a good place for the police to start to track down and identify the abusers on the forum
You must be aware that what these people are doing is illegal
Behaviour like this will not be allowed and everyone on that forum that hides behind a user name will be known to the public and I hope when the police contact you that you will be co operative

I want to get to the bottom of who Shona is any why she has bombarded me with vile abuse
The police have access to all the old pro boards stuff too
I have had enough and I hope the police confiscate any computers they need to find out the real names of the abusers
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: JackiePreece on March 15, 2012, 12:40:PM
It will be up to the courts to decide if Shona is a wonderful person as with Jeremy Bamber
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: andrea on March 15, 2012, 12:40:PM
You still havent answered my question jackie, do you think its acceptable to throw personal details of mine around because i post on the other forum? just answer the question please.
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: JackiePreece on March 15, 2012, 12:50:PM
I will post personal details of every single member of Lambertons forum while they continue to post mine on a weekly basis

If people do not endorse that behaviour they shouldn't be part of such a place

Andrea I notice you have been on there this morning with the last vile stuff being said about Grahame

Do you enjoy going there?

Also your personal details are not on twitter like mine are they and I haven't posted them on an open forum have I

Imagine how that feels
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: andrea on March 15, 2012, 01:00:PM
Well Jackie, imagine how it feels to have my details, my photo, my kids names and a newspaper article about my son sent in an email to other people, not to mention my address.

When have i ever done that to you? will you answer my question? do you think that what you did was justified?
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: grahameb on March 15, 2012, 01:02:PM
Let me make things quite clear once again if folk didn't see my post in another thread. I appeal to "everyone" who is connected with the Lamberton forum to distance themselves from it. Every member of that forum has come under investigation and is in danger of being prosecuted with those who have been involved with the abuse. This unfortunately includes Shona whose details have been registered with the investigators. I have given that forum every opportunity for removing the abuse but they have flatly ignored my warnings and have instead offered even more abuse.
Now Andrea. Have any of us, Mike, Neil or myself warranted any of this abuse from the other forum? Except for supporting Jeremy Bamber. What have myself, my wife (whom they call "the goat") or my children done anything to those people on there to warrant any of that kind of foul abuse including stalking me and my family by coming to my house and taking pictures of it.
Now Andrea you can see what this looks like can't you. Where I cannot condone Jackie in sending this email to various people about you and if she persists in going against me then I will indeed ban her.
But even I wonder why you want to be affiliated with such people, even Shona, who has said the most terrible things about us. Can you actually blame Jackie for being angry? I for one cannot see why you continue to go over to that foul place?
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: JackiePreece on March 15, 2012, 01:08:PM
Andrea you are on Lambertons forum a lot supposedly to debate

Why have you NEVER once commented or pulled up ANY single person about the vile abuse leveled at me Grahame, Mike or Neil

Why Andrea?

Why do you go on there?
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: andrea on March 15, 2012, 01:11:PM
Do you all have amnesia? I was targeted there once upon a time.

I have never condoned abuse on the other forum Grahame and of course i can see why you are angry.

But i feel like im being made to choose, and pressured into closing my account on the other forum, which i wont do by the way.

All i want is for Jackie to tell me why its acceptable to do what she has done, when i havent done anything to her.

I did try this morning, but the thread i started was locked.

Do you really think i want this to continue?  Jackie has overstepped the mark Grahame.

I live alone here with my children, and i saw that email as a threat, when my kids are mentioned i have to take it seriously.

Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: andrea on March 15, 2012, 01:15:PM
You said i was an unfit mother Jackie, why should i defend you?


You also answer back to the other forum on this one.
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: grahameb on March 15, 2012, 01:17:PM
Do you all have amnesia? I was targeted there once upon a time.

I have never condoned abuse on the other forum Grahame and of course i can see why you are angry.

But i feel like im being made to choose, and pressured into closing my account on the other forum, which i wont do by the way.

All i want is for Jackie to tell me why its acceptable to do what she has done, when i havent done anything to her.

I did try this morning, but the thread i started was locked.

Do you really think i want this to continue?  Jackie has overstepped the mark Grahame.

I live alone here with my children, and i saw that email as a threat, when my kids are mentioned i have to take it seriously.
Andrea we all have to choose. Why on earth would you choose willingly to go and sit in a sewer. I'm more concerned for you right now. It is not the fact that I am angry. But of what you might be held accountable for when the forum goes down. Unfortunately Lamberton needs scape goats and I think that you might be one if you continue there? He is not renowned for his honesty. But I thought that if you yourself have been targetted as well that you would have the savvy to get out whilst the goings good. Because lamberton and bennett are going down with a crash and they are not aware of it yet. Please I don't want to see you hurt as well.
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: JackiePreece on March 15, 2012, 01:19:PM
So you don't like me but I won't lose any sleep there, how about the abuse Grahame, Neil and Mike have taken

No comment there Andrea

Are you not disgusted with the abuse people I respect highly are getting

No comment about what Grahames being put through
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: andrea on March 15, 2012, 01:21:PM
Grahame, i have asked Jack to answer a simple question, she has chosen not to.

I will leave it there.
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: JackiePreece on March 15, 2012, 01:29:PM
Andrea just remember how hard I have fought for Jeremy and I will fight twice as hard for people I know and I will put a stop to this and I will not stop until everyone one of them are arrested and charged and their real names are out in the open

As far as my personal comments about Shona I stand by them and I made them after months and months of abuse from Shona for no reason starting on the previous Lamberton Forum for which I still have ALL the printouts and screenshots if they are needed in a court of law

I have never asked you personally to leave Lambertons forum and I never will but I believe it defines the person you are if you fail to defend people you know are being unfairly abused
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: grahameb on March 15, 2012, 01:37:PM
By the way I have it on reliable authority that Shona is not Ann Eaton.
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: Buddy on March 15, 2012, 05:12:PM
Andrea is Okay IMO
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: petey on March 15, 2012, 06:23:PM
Andrea is Okay IMO

I would concur.  I used to pm Shona loads and in that time she was a decent person too.   I'm not excusing any comments made on the other site at all, but as I've mentioned before, given the 2 vastly contrasting sides to this case, things are bound to get heated.

Even as a pro JB supporter, I can appreciate that if I was convinced of his guilt (which many on that site are) then I would be absolutely sickened by his actions and could not comprehend why people actively support a child murderer. Emotions are going to run high.

Also you are hardly whiter than white in some of your posts Jackie.

Finally I believe that the focus here should be concentrating on our support for JB, rather than continually and repeatedly discussing the other forum and other forum members, regardless of how we view their posts.
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: Alias on March 15, 2012, 09:19:PM
Jackie, is it true that you have been sending out emails with Andrea´s personal information and photos?
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: JackiePreece on March 15, 2012, 09:37:PM
Abs why did you get involved in a conversation with John and Shona about bestiality about me and a so called horse called Trigger and you posted during the conversation about beastiality a video

Did you find that funny Abbs

Do you find bestiality something to joke about
I have screenshots of the whole thing

I have got Andreas  details of normal route on the Internet so she can help the police with the investigations about abuse from the other forum

It was public information available over the internet
And in a local newspaper
The people hiding behind user names will be revealed
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: andrea on March 15, 2012, 10:01:PM
You took my name from Facebook Jackie, then went on the electoral register to get my address.

The picture you posted was from my Facebook account, which is private and can be viewed by friends only, you were one, i have now removed you. Nonetheless it was a picture only meant for my Facebook account. Not to be sent around in emails.

You took my sons name from my Facebook account and obviously googled it then found the news paper article, off that went into an email.

I will ask you one last time, do you think that was appropriate ?

Say what you like about me Jackie, i couldnt give a hoot. BUT LAY OFF MY KIDS.
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: Alias on March 15, 2012, 10:10:PM
I have NO recollection talking about bestiality. This irritates me to no end!
This whole thing IS out of hand, quite frankly, it is totally nutty. I am seriously considering leaving this forum altogether. Some people get away with all. I am pizzed off.
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: Roch on March 15, 2012, 10:16:PM
I have NO recollection talking about bestiality. This irritates me to no end!
This whole thing IS out of hand, quite frankly, it is totally nutty. I am seriously considering leaving this forum alltogether. Some people get away with all. I am pizzed.


Does anyone want to know the truth?
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: JackiePreece on March 15, 2012, 10:19:PM
Just to make this absolutely clear Andrea I have not taken your kids names from anywhere they are all over the Internet Re your non smoking campaign

If you are talking about your son his name is all over the Internet re the robbery and I believe he is over 18
Even the dating websites are on there

I have to put a stop to this daily abuse and as you know bestiality is illegal in this country

If you would like to hand over Shona and horseydaves personal details I doubt you will be of no interest anymore

Have a nice day!

Abs you have no recollection joining in a debate about me and a horse called trigger and posting a video

Would you like it posted

So you would like to go over to the forum that discusses sex with animals

Good luck
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: Alias on March 15, 2012, 10:23:PM
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Abs you have no recollection joining in a debate about me and a horse called trigger and posting a video

No, I have not seen that.

Quote
Would you like it posted

No, I have no desire to see that.
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: Roch on March 15, 2012, 10:41:PM
I do not think that abs would necessarily understand the posts you refer to jack. Because they are not written in proper English.

They are written by Horsey Dave. 
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: bob on March 15, 2012, 10:48:PM
I have NO recollection talking about bestiality. This irritates me to no end!
This whole thing IS out of hand, quite frankly, it is totally nutty. I am seriously considering leaving this forum altogether. Some people get away with all. I am pizzed off.
I'm dumbfounded by what I've read over the past 24 hours Abs.

Jackie - you seem to be totally out of control.

This forum is now a very unpleasant place to be.

All we had to do was ignore the bile from across the way - it was an irrelevance. I fear, though, that some of you - mostly Jackie, it has to be said - actually enjoy it. Wouldn't your energies be better spent campaigning for Jeremy's release?

Utterly, utterly ridiculous  :(

Thanks to all the decent people I've met on here - and there have been many of you - but I think I'll call it a day now. I can't be doing with all this bollocks  :(
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: JackiePreece on March 15, 2012, 10:56:PM
Rochy a lot were by horsey but the conversation I am talking about is a conversation between Shona and John about bestiality

I am sick to death of this whole topic and if anyone else was available who used their real name that had personal contact with the likes of Shona or HorseyDave I would have used their details but I had to put a stop to it

Nobody deserves to go through what I have had to put up with or Grahame and if Shona and her mates end up in court having to explain why they are talking about me and sex with a horse so be it she has bought it all on herself

I don't have to be on here much more because my work is nearly done and I have had the best news possible today
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: Roch on March 15, 2012, 11:04:PM
Keep the good news quiet for now jack.  Not that I nkow what it is. But cold light of day is the better than heated thread at night!

And at least wor bob described the clowns as offering up "bile". 

I could have let rip on here tonight, both ways. 
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: grahameb on March 15, 2012, 11:07:PM
What I find disturbing is that it is those who haven't been abused and persecuted as Jackie, Neil and myself are the very ones who are complaining about Jackie because she won't take all this abuse lying down. Very easy to say all we have to do is ignore it. But I have heard some very important news today and all this is going to come crashing down around Lamberton's ears very soon.
I will again repeat what Neil has said before. Any member of this forum who has partaken in abuse towards others on the Lamberton forum will received a lifetime ban. I also would like to emphasise once more that all members of this forum should leave the other forum. Because all members of that forum are under investigation and I would not like any of you to get caught up in it.
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: petey on March 15, 2012, 11:27:PM
What I find disturbing is that it is those who haven't been abused and persecuted as Jackie, Neil and myself are the very ones who are complaining about Jackie because she won't take all this abuse lying down. Very easy to say all we have to do is ignore it. But I have heard some very important news today and all this is going to come crashing down around Lamberton's ears very soon.
I will again repeat what Neil has said before. Any member of this forum who has partaken in abuse towards others on the Lamberton forum will received a lifetime ban. I also would like to emphasise once more that all members of this forum should leave the other forum. Because all members of that forum are under investigation and I would not like any of you to get caught up in it.

is this a dig at me?!   im not registered on the other forum btw. Have only ever been on to contact Shona
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: Aunt Agatha on March 15, 2012, 11:41:PM
What a complete mess!!

Some members have decided to bring the other forum over here....and now it's completely out of hand!!

No longer do I tune in to the latest news of JB,, but the antics of the other forum. I'm not interested in the other forum....nor what they are saying!  I don't condone it but what's gone on here should have been kept out of the public eye.

Attacking Andrea, and sending out pm's (if I understood that correctly), is unacceptable - she is an adult and is free to go wherever she wishes - to try and control other members is not on.  The attack on her and Abs was uncalled for IMO.

I'm fed up with the constant bickering and abusive posts on here - like others, I think my time is ended for the foreseeable at least.

This was the best site regarding the latest info on Jeremy, or for those wishing to discuss the evidence in more detail - sadly, that has all taken second place due to certain members on here wishing to cause a further distraction.

 :( 



Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: Janet on March 15, 2012, 11:51:PM
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No longer do I tune in to the latest news of JB,, but the antics of the other forum. I'm not interested in the other forum....nor what they are saying!  I don't condone it but what's gone on here should have been kept out of the public eye.

I understand Jackie has been abused and so have other forum members. This is not ever to be condoned

But I cannot help but agree with this post. Why oh why would anyone want to give more oxygen to that forum and their antics? Deal with what has to be dealt with off the forum. Dont fan the flames any more.

This is what they need to survive. Stop their air supply.
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: Janet on March 15, 2012, 11:58:PM
Do people have to be members to see certain documents? If so I would be careful who is added
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: JackiePreece on March 16, 2012, 12:14:AM
Janet this is a great forum with talented people from all walks of life and whatever anyone throws at this forum it will always be the best and I believe that from when Mike started this forum to now history is about to be made. Nothing could spoil the mood at the moment. The abusers will be dealt with and named and shamed and then forgotten about and maybe our justice system will change for ever.
Nothing will ever be the same again.
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: grahameb on March 16, 2012, 12:16:AM
is this a dig at me?!   im not registered on the other forum btw. Have only ever been on to contact Shona
No it is a dig at nobody. It is a clear warning. Lamberton is going down and anyone associated with him.
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: Janet on March 16, 2012, 12:20:AM
Janet this is a great forum with talented people from all walks of life and whatever anyone throws at this forum it will always be the best and I believe that from when Mike started this forum to now history is about to be made. Nothing could spoil the mood at the moment. The abusers will be dealt with and named and shamed and then forgotten about and maybe our justice system will change for ever.
Nothing will ever be the same again.

It is good the abusers will be dealt with Jackie. About time people got taken to task for their internet behaviour.

This forum was set up to support Jeremy Bamber and other injustices. That should never change.

These people will come and go.  But the truth will always come to the surface.

Do not let the few, because they are the few, destroy this forum. They are not worth it.
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: grahameb on March 16, 2012, 12:27:AM
What a complete mess!!

Some members have decided to bring the other forum over here....and now it's completely out of hand!!

No longer do I tune in to the latest news of JB,, but the antics of the other forum. I'm not interested in the other forum....nor what they are saying!  I don't condone it but what's gone on here should have been kept out of the public eye.

Attacking Andrea, and sending out pm's (if I understood that correctly), is unacceptable - she is an adult and is free to go wherever she wishes - to try and control other members is not on.  The attack on her and Abs was uncalled for IMO.

I'm fed up with the constant bickering and abusive posts on here - like others, I think my time is ended for the foreseeable at least.

This was the best site regarding the latest info on Jeremy, or for those wishing to discuss the evidence in more detail - sadly, that has all taken second place due to certain members on here wishing to cause a further distraction.

 :(
Perhaps you would like him to photograph your house. These people are not only targeting their victims on the internet but he goes round their houses. Get's things delivered to their houses. I repeat those who are not targetted do not truly understand the character of those who engage in cyber bullying. You cannot simply "starve" them of oxygen. They pursue their victims in many other ways. So you believe in fighting miscarriages of justice do you? Well I don't believe you. Why do I say that? Because you don't give a damn about the members here who are being targetted that's why. So piss off all you weaklings. See if I care about your measly so called support. You snivelling weak fools who will not even stand up to these cyber bullies Then you moan about those who do have the guts to fight them. Go and join them if you want you sycophantic fools.
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: Janet on March 16, 2012, 12:35:AM
Perhaps you would like him to photograph your house. These people are not only targeting their victims on the internet but he goes round their houses. Get's things delivered to their houses. I repeat those who are not targetted do not truly understand the character of those who engage in cyber bullying. You cannot simply "starve" them of oxygen. They pursue their victims in many other ways. So you believe in fighting miscarriages of justice do you? Well I don't believe you. Why do I say that? Because you don't give a damn about the members here who are being targetted that's why. So piss off all you weaklings. See if I care about your measly so called support. You snivelling weak fools who will not even stand up to these cyber bullies Then you moan about those who do have the guts to fight them. Go and join them if you want you sycophantic fools.

Grahame

I was the one to say starve them from their oxygen.

I am neither weak nor snivelling and while I understand you are angry and upset I really do not appreciate these kinds of comments. If you and others have a problem with these other people does it not make sense not to let them know this or let them know what you are doing to sort it all out?

Keep this stuff private or lose members is what I suppose I am saying because people are not interested in fights for long.

What is happening is wrong on every level, the abuse  it all. No one condones it.

what is in fighting proving? 

Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: grahameb on March 16, 2012, 12:41:AM
Grahame

I was the one to say starve them from their oxygen.

I am neither weak nor snivelling and while I understand you are angry and upset I really do not appreciate these kinds of comments. If you and others have a problem with these other people does it not make sense not to let them know this or let them know what you are doing to sort it all out?

Keep this stuff private or lose members is what I suppose I am saying because people are not interested in fights for long.

What is happening is wrong on every level, the abuse  it all. No one condones it.

what is in fighting proving?
Prove you are not what I said you were by supporting those who are the victims of cyber bullying. If none of you do then we will see who are the ones who have credibilty. I'll tell you one thing for free they will damn well be interested if it were them and Andrea's comments to Jackie prove that. You are the ones who are being unsupportive. But never mind. Just carry on with your own selfish lives.
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: Janet on March 16, 2012, 12:50:AM
Prove you are not what I said you were by supporting those who are the victims of cyber bullying. If none of you do then we will see who are the ones who have credibilty. I'll tell you one thing for free they will damn well be interested if it were them and Andrea's comments to Jackie prove that. You are the ones who are being unsupportive. But never mind. Just carry on with your own selfish lives.

I support anyone who is being unjustly treated. Cyberbullying is terrble I agree. Showing your hand on a forum is not the answer in my opinion. I am supportive of Jackie and she will tell you so.

I despise what the Lamberton supporters are doing and saying to people on this forum. They are the cowards.
I think the solution should be dealt with privately but thats only my opinion

Maybe it is time I left.
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: Janet on March 16, 2012, 01:00:AM
Prove you are not what I said you were by supporting those who are the victims of cyber bullying. If none of you do then we will see who are the ones who have credibilty. I'll tell you one thing for free they will damn well be interested if it were them and Andrea's comments to Jackie prove that. You are the ones who are being unsupportive. But never mind. Just carry on with your own selfish lives.

I think you have been very unfair towards me. I am agreeing with you yet see above. you quoted me so I assume you are replying to me.

I do not and have never condoned bullying in any shape or form and never will.
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: mertol22 on March 16, 2012, 01:16:AM
Jail terms could be on the line here you do not walk away Jackie is a woman they would not dare say these sordid things to a man, vile cowards the sooner the site he has is smashed up the better, i  support jackie through and through.
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: Nuala on March 16, 2012, 01:42:AM
I think you have been very unfair towards me. I am agreeing with you yet see above. you quoted me so I assume you are replying to me.

I do not and have never condoned bullying in any shape or form and never will.



Very respectfully, Grahame, I do think you are being a bit hard on Janet. Jackie knows that Janet supports her against the abusers. Jackie does not want Janet to leave. Nor do you, Grahame xxx.
Not do any of us. We want Janet to stay. Different people express their support in different ways, that's all. Please stay, Janet! xxx

Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: grahameb on March 16, 2012, 10:34:AM
I think you have been very unfair towards me. I am agreeing with you yet see above. you quoted me so I assume you are replying to me.

I do not and have never condoned bullying in any shape or form and never will.
I apologise Janet.
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: grahameb on March 16, 2012, 10:36:AM
I apologise Janet.
I was unfair to Petey as well. I am sorry.
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: Roch on March 16, 2012, 10:38:AM
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I think the solution should be dealt with privately but thats only my opinion

This actually is the solution.  If there was a locked private section for disputes and grievances, for which only established members could join up to (i.e. not lurkers)... then this would allow for such matters to be aired in private and not interfere with the open forum.  Ideally, the new posts in any such facility would not become visible on the rolling 'most recent posts' bit at the bottom of the screen. 

There would then be absolutely no mention of the other forum, upon the open forum.  And nobody lurking from the other forum could view any of the grievances being discussed, which would put a halt to the daily shuttle service from here to there, which everyone is pissed off about.

I'm not sure if SMF allows for this kind of locked private facility?
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: ngb1066 on March 16, 2012, 10:41:AM
This actually is the solution.  If there was a locked private section for disputes and grievances, for which only established members could join up to (i.e. not lurkers)... then this would allow for such matters to be aired in private and not interfere with the open forum.  Ideally, the new posts in any such facility would not become visible on the rolling 'most recent posts' bit at the bottom of the screen. 

There would then be absolutely no mention of the other forum, upon the open forum.  And nobody lurking from the other forum could view any of the grievances being discussed, which would put a halt to the daily shuttle service from here to there, which everyone is pissed off about.

I'm not sure if SMF allows for this kind of locked private facility?

That is a very good suggestion David.  We will have a look and see if it can be done.

Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: grahameb on March 16, 2012, 10:41:AM
This actually is the solution.  If there was a locked private section for disputes and grievances, for which only established members could join up to (i.e. not lurkers)... then this would allow for such matters to be aired in private and not interfere with the open forum.  Ideally, the new posts in any such facility would not become visible on the rolling 'most recent posts' bit at the bottom of the screen. 

There would then be absolutely no mention of the other forum, upon the open forum.  And nobody lurking from the other forum could view any of the grievances being discussed, which would put a halt to the daily shuttle service from here to there, which everyone is pissed off about.

I'm not sure if SMF allows for this kind of locked private facility?
I actually disagree with you there Roch. I think these people ought to be exposed and shown up for what they are. We must not give the impression that they are untouchable and that we are shrinking violets.
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: grahameb on March 16, 2012, 10:43:AM
I also believe that every member of this forum should be prepared to show their open support for any other persecuted member who has been or is currently exposed to these cowardly attacks. You cannot break a chain as easily as you can a rope.
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: ngb1066 on March 16, 2012, 10:45:AM
I actually disagree with you there Roch. I think these people ought to be exposed and shown up for what they are. We must not give the impression that they are untouchable and that we are shrinking violets.

Grahame  - I entirely agree that they should be exposed and should face the consequences of their actions.  However I think what Rochford is suggesting is that any disputes on this forum should be aired in a private section.

Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: petey on March 16, 2012, 10:54:AM
I was unfair to Petey as well. I am sorry.

no worries. Thanks
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: grahameb on March 16, 2012, 10:57:AM
Grahame  - I entirely agree that they should be exposed and should face the consequences of their actions.  However I think what Rochford is suggesting is that any disputes on this forum should be aired in a private section.
With all due respects Neil these so called internal disputes have far reaching consequences. I support Jackie and I also support Andrea against Jackie. But then to be fair Andrea now knows what it is like to be the object of abuse, however unjust that might appear towards Andrea. I also contend (and this was the whole object of my argument) that folk will never know what it is like until it happens to them personally as Andrea found out to her cost.
I also contend that to actively take part in that disgusting forum even if they are not actively partaking of the abuse is to acknowledge that the other forum has some kind of value and that those who frequent that place are to my mind responsible for its continuation and this in turn gives that place the nod of appreciation.
In turn this also causes suspicion to fall upon those who are active members of that forum and encourages others to doubt their integrity. Andrea has found this out to her cost. Because it is not only Jackie who is suspicious of her but several other members of this forum.
So you see it is not that simple to just keep these disputes private. Because all of these points impinge upon this whole forum.
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: Roch on March 16, 2012, 11:02:AM
grahame, it comes down to the 'starve them of oxygen' approach. 

Support would / could be given to forum members, in the proposed private section.  Since all established members of the forum would have access to that section, anyone who genuinely needed to know about such abuse, would indeed find out about it.

Think about it.  Counter actions would be discussed in private, instead of vague or knee-jerk threats being issued on the open forum.

The overriding advantage is that none of this would interfere with the open forum.  Interference with the open forum is the very aim of those seeking to attack the members you /or I wish to support. 
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: Roch on March 16, 2012, 11:19:AM
That is a very good suggestion David.  We will have a look and see if it can be done.

Thanks.  Grahame's views aside, it would still be worth knowing what alternative options smf can offer?

Grahame, I don't think we can dictate who does or does not look at or post upon the other forum.  People like abs will simply tell you where to go.  Nobody like being told what to do... least of all me  :D
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: grahameb on March 16, 2012, 11:21:AM
grahame, it comes down to the 'starve them of oxygen' approach. 

Support would / could be given to forum members, in the proposed private section.  Since all established members of the forum would have access to that section, anyone who genuinely needed to know about such abuse, would indeed find out about it.

Think about it.  Counter actions would be discussed in private, instead of vague or knee-jerk threats being issued on the open forum.

The overriding advantage is that none of this would interfere with the open forum.  Interference with the open forum is the very aim of those seeking to attack the members you /or I wish to support.
Roch. I've looked at how different forums can be made private. But I need someone who is more technically minded than I am.
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: andrea on March 16, 2012, 11:38:AM
Just been reading the comments on here, Grahame i still dont think Jackie should have sent personal info about me to other people.

As for for people being suspicious of me on this forum, well, people dont like the fact that i went from leaning to innocence to guilty, but i expected that.

So, i will go the way of Bob me thinks.

Before i go i want to say thankyou to the people have been brilliant to me, they know who they are.

Bye bye xx
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: Alias on March 16, 2012, 12:22:PM
grahame, it comes down to the 'starve them of oxygen' approach. 

Support would / could be given to forum members, in the proposed private section.  Since all established members of the forum would have access to that section, anyone who genuinely needed to know about such abuse, would indeed find out about it.

Think about it.  Counter actions would be discussed in private, instead of vague or knee-jerk threats being issued on the open forum.

The overriding advantage is that none of this would interfere with the open forum.  Interference with the open forum is the very aim of those seeking to attack the members you /or I wish to support.

Roch, very sensible post!  ;)
Bob and Andy, sorry to see you go. Thanks for all your good input.
Title: Re: Andrea
Post by: Janet on March 16, 2012, 02:33:PM
I apologise Janet.

Thank you Grahame. I understand you are upset and angry. I would be too. 
What is happening is cruel and horrible.  Rochford said what I was trying to say. :)