Jeremy Bamber Forum
JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: killingeve on March 04, 2012, 06:22:PM
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As you know I'm fairly new to this forum and as such I am interested in understanding the motivations of members. For example I have observed the following:
MEMBER DATE OF JOINING TIME SPENT ON LINE AVERAGE POSTS PER DAY
Mike Tesko 30.11.10 65 days, 13 hrs, 36 mins 21.388
NGB1066 26.02.11 50 days, 18hrs, 43 mins 4.626
Grahame 10.09.11 17 days, 9hrs, 50 mins 14.886
Egap1 02.02.12 1 day, 9hrs, 50 mins 2.667
DV8 29.02.12 1 day, 1hr, 27 mins 39.333
I will start by asking one of the newest members, DV8, the following to get the discussion underway:
1. In less than 4 days you have spent over 6 hours a day on the forum. Why are you prepared to give so much of your time to discuss the case?
2. Would you describe yourself as altruistic?
3. Are you involved with any other forums/political causes/charities?
4. Your average post count per day is 39.333. You obviously feel that you have a lot to contribute and I don't doubt for one moment that you do contribute a lot. However, I am interested in understanding your intense interest/passion in the case?
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As you know I'm fairly new to this forum and as such I am interested in understanding the motivations of members. For example I have observed the following:
MEMBER DATE OF JOINING TIME SPENT ON LINE AVERAGE POSTS PER DAY
Mike Tesko 30.11.10 65 days, 13 hrs, 36 mins 21.388
NGB1066 26.02.11 50 days, 18hrs, 43 mins 4.626
Grahame 10.09.11 17 days, 9hrs, 50 mins 14.886
Egap1 02.02.12 1 day, 9hrs, 50 mins 2.667
DV8 29.02.12 1 day, 1hr, 27 mins 39.333
I will start by asking one of the newest members, DV8, the following to get the discussion underway:
1. In less than 4 days you have spent over 6 hours a day on the forum. Why are you prepared to give so much of your time to discuss the case?
2. Would you describe yourself as altruistic?
3. Are you involved with any other forums/political causes/charities?
4. Your average post count per day is 39.333. You obviously feel that you have a lot to contribute and I don't doubt for one moment that you do contribute a lot. However, I am interested in understanding your intense interest/passion in the case?
Wow that must have taken a while. Less intense interest more off work with a leg injury from Rugby. I suggest you, from your post, have a more intense interest than I!
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That date for joining is wrong as regards myself. I was a member long before that date as I resigned and ngb persuated me with great difficulty to agree to come back.
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No secret here, stumbled upon this case in the news & it fascinated me, I'm a film maker and decided to make a documentary about it. :)
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No secret here, stumbled upon this case in the news & it fascinated me, I'm a film maker and decided to make a documentary about it. :)
Mind if I ask how long your project is likely to take Gunga?
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The case has always fascinated me as along with many others,I have never been convinced that Jeremy is indeed guilty.I definately do not agree that he had a fair trial.
I am not 100% convinced of Jeremys innocence,however,I am 100% convinced that he did not personally carry out the murders.
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No secret here, stumbled upon this case in the news & it fascinated me, I'm a film maker and decided to make a documentary about it. :)
Can I ask what it is about the case that fascinates you, Gunga? To me, it's more like an addiction. I've never met Jeremy Bamber, never written to him, but I can't bear the injustice of him being imprisoned for so long without a fair trial. I feel the same for others in his position too, but Jeremy's case has become a particular interest because I know more about this than I do about other cases.
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I have always been interested in this case. When I first heard the verdict I remember saying to my wife, "How on earth could he be convicted upon such flimsy evidence?" I have always believed it was a miscarriage of justice and have never seen any new evidence that makes me change my mind. On the contrary the fact that so much was held back from the jury has convinced me the more that he is innocent. Furthermore added to my belief in his innocence I believe that EP has a lot to answer for in that they have held onto so much evidence that could have gotten Jeremy a not guilty verdict. My motive is that I hate injustice and Bamber has been the victim of injustice which it seems to me has been gilded again and again at every appeal.
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Tyler that is about spot on where I am right now
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An interesting fact the government guy and his wife that are going on trial have apparently instructed a barrister at £20,000 a day and we have got Neil seven days a week for free
How lucky are we!!!
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Can I ask what it is about the case that fascinates you, Gunga?
Sure. I think it's the amount of information for the case and the lack of evidence that Bamber did it. I was open mouthed whilst reading it all.
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well i came here to save everyone from Satan and his little wizards and witches who seem to infest this forum.
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well i came here to save everyone from Satan and his little wizards and witches who seem to infest this forum.
OMG you are EVERYWHERE ;D
Have you come across any innocent people yet wichfinder?
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I was a couple of years younger than Jeremy when i heard on the news about the events on the night in question, with the internet years away and computers still primitive its unlikely any form of debate was possible then,only when people come to reason and accept the world is not all it seems we may unfold the real answers ,mikes forum is providing such steps.
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I first got in contact around the time of his first Appeal.
I remained in contact with him regularly, until this case was picked up by others.
Have written to him, visited him, had photo's taken of him/us.....
Have been around almost 20 years.
One is now grey and very old....with a stoop! :)
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The time spent online can be misleading, i often sign in here, get sidetracked then forget im actually signed in, only to remember hrs later that i am.
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Me too Andrea.
Logged in yesterday...and went out for the day leaving laptop on.
Though I log in, I don't view everyday.
So yes, I agree with Andrea. :)
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I do it all the time aggy :)
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I'll view most days,and of late seem to post more.i rarely post to agree as I don't see the point.this does make me appear antagonistic when I disagree where threads have glaring mistakes that do not seem to get discussed or title lines that are written to mislead.
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I havent posted much but l'm on here every day, I always believed he was guilty until l began a froensic science degree on home study and he was one of the case studys. Doing my research l realised he was innocent and the stuff we as the public have been fed by the media isn't even half the story.
I have now taken a keen interest in the case and enjoy reading the forum and keeping up to date with developements and the views of others. It has opened my eyes to the sham that is our criminal justice system. We assume that when someone is found guilty they are guilty. It really could happen to anyone.
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I havent posted much but l'm on here every day, I always believed he was guilty until l began a froensic science degree on home study and he was one of the case studys. Doing my research l realised he was innocent and the stuff we as the public have been fed by the media isn't even half the story.
I have now taken a keen interest in the case and enjoy reading the forum and keeping up to date with developements and the views of others. It has opened my eyes to the sham that is our criminal justice system. We assume that when someone is found guilty they are guilty. It really could happen to anyone.
Is there a specific area or aspect of the Bamber case that made you change your mind from guilty to innocent?
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yes quite a few things when l read his dad had called him that night, l have personal experience of mental illness in the family and that is exatcly what my dad would have done. He didn't call 999, again thats what would have and has happened in our family. It struck me that these are things that would happen in a family not what a man who was calculating enough to kill 5 members of his family would have planned to say.
The police said he was calm at the farmhouse , of course he was he wouldn't have been thinking that the sister he had grown up with had murdered his family. If he was guilty and needed to convince the police it was Sheila he would have been shouting and screaming outside that she was mad.
The police admit they were trying to get him to talk about other things to take his mind off it and then use the fact that he talked about a porsche against him. So many things just don't add up for me. I was asked to write a 10,000 word essay on what evidence suggested he was innocent l thought: how the hell am l going to do that l think he did it' in the end l found it hard to keep it under 10,000 words.
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I have actually called someone else before to ask them the number of the non emmergency police line and then called it.
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Thank's Bookmark. It's always interesting to read why someone has changed their minds on a case.
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Bookcase would it be possible to post your 10,000 words without revealing your name, you have ne really interested now
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Bookcase would it be possible to post your 10,000 words without revealing your name, you have ne really interested now
That would be an interesting read.
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I think the thing that is different about this case is the amount of evidence being withheld and the way in which they are continuing to do this. I always thought he was guilty so never bothered reading anything on the case until I saw an article by Bob Woffinden a few years ago, he seems to have changed his mind now but mine is made up, I think J Bamber is factually innocent, and technically if you count the fact he didn't get a fair trial.
I've read about cases that have been sent back to appeal on the basis of non disclosure of one statement (see the Taylor sisters) so I can't really understand how JBs case still hasn't been referred considering what has come out in the last few years. Something is deeply wrong here....
One other thing that worries me, I've seen a lot of people saying they think he is guilty because of a "gut feeling", how on earth can you have a gut feeling when you haven't seen all of the evidence or even met the person in question, that's what worries me about the whole jury system, it only takes one or two to have a "gut feeling" instead of actually looking at the facts to send someone down for many years.
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Welcome Lonny good points
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I think the thing that is different about this case is the amount of evidence being withheld and the way in which they are continuing to do this. I always thought he was guilty so never bothered reading anything on the case until I saw an article by Bob Woffinden a few years ago, he seems to have changed his mind now but mine is made up, I think J Bamber is factually innocent, and technically if you count the fact he didn't get a fair trial.
I've read about cases that have been sent back to appeal on the basis of non disclosure of one statement (see the Taylor sisters) so I can't really understand how JBs case still hasn't been referred considering what has come out in the last few years. Something is deeply wrong here....
One other thing that worries me, I've seen a lot of people saying they think he is guilty because of a "gut feeling", how on earth can you have a gut feeling when you haven't seen all of the evidence or even met the person in question, that's what worries me about the whole jury system, it only takes one or two to have a "gut feeling" instead of actually looking at the facts to send someone down for many years.
Hi Lonny. Did I see a post bt you in the foyer? I can't remember? Is it possible that you could go there so you can introduce yourself to other forum members? ;D
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Hi Lonny. Did I see a post bt you in the foyer? I can't remember? Is it possible that you could go there so you can introduce yourself to other forum members? ;D
Now that is a polite way of asking Grahame. Well done.
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Now that is a polite way of asking Grahame. Well done.
I apologise Phil. I will try and do better next time. ;D But when I asked you to introduce yourself in a round about way it was my bad attempt to be humourous.
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I apologise Phil. I will try and do better next time. ;D But when I asked you to introduce yourself in a round about way it was my bad attempt to be humourous.
Apology accepted ty. I in turn apologise for not understanding the humerous intent.
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This forum is getting very civilised - is it looking for a star rating? ;D
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Apology accepted ty. I in turn apologise for not understanding the humerous intent.
It isn't easy to convey over the internet and it is a fault of mine that I see the funny side of most things, but find it difficult to convey that thought? It you met me you would see that I am always joking. I do believe that most of us will be surprised about other members if we ever met one another? I certainly don't think that there would be the animosity that we sometimes see on the forum?
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My motivation goes back 26 long years, I have never believed that JB was guilty.
The more I read of the family, and the dire straits they were in convinced me even more that JB was stitched up.
IMO the main person behind this conspiracy was RB, who obviously had no love for JB, and Pargeter who gained from the conviction of JB..
If this case came to court now, then JB would be found NOT GUILTY.
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My motivation goes back 26 long years, I have never believed that JB was guilty.
The more I read of the family, and the dire straits they were in convinced me even more that JB was stitched up.
IMO the main person behind this conspiracy was RB, who obviously had no love for JB, and Pargeter who gained from the conviction of JB..
If this case came to court now, then JB would be found NOT GUILTY.
I agree with everything you say about this matter, thanks for the insight ...
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I think the thing that is different about this case is the amount of evidence being withheld and the way in which they are continuing to do this. I always thought he was guilty so never bothered reading anything on the case until I saw an article by Bob Woffinden a few years ago, he seems to have changed his mind now but mine is made up, I think J Bamber is factually innocent, and technically if you count the fact he didn't get a fair trial.
I've read about cases that have been sent back to appeal on the basis of non disclosure of one statement (see the Taylor sisters) so I can't really understand how JBs case still hasn't been referred considering what has come out in the last few years. Something is deeply wrong here....
One other thing that worries me, I've seen a lot of people saying they think he is guilty because of a "gut feeling", how on earth can you have a gut feeling when you haven't seen all of the evidence or even met the person in question, that's what worries me about the whole jury system, it only takes one or two to have a "gut feeling" instead of actually looking at the facts to send someone down for many years.
The Taylor sisters,I remember them.I read a book by Bernard OMahoney on how he campaigned for their release,(which succeeded)got into a relationship with one of them,only to find that they were indeed guilty! God,I so detest that man!
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The Taylor sisters,I remember them.I read a book by Bernard OMahoney on how he campaigned for their release,(which succeeded)got into a relationship with one of them,only to find that they were indeed guilty! God,I so detest that man!
Yes. If Bamber is indeed guilty I would feel ashamed for ever supporting him.
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I read the story about the sisters Grahame can you remember the name of the book l wouldn't mind reading it :)
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I read the story about the sisters Grahame can you remember the name of the book l wouldn't mind reading it :)
No I don't. It was Tyler who mentioned it though. Perhaps she knows?
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Yes. If Bamber is indeed guilty I would feel ashamed for ever supporting him.
If you genuinely believe Bamber is innocent now you should not feel ashamed if you subsequently find out something that changes your mind. As you don't believe the evidence presented the only way that could change would be an admission by Bamber
himself so I don't think you will ever be in that position.
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No I don't. It was Tyler who mentioned it though. Perhaps she knows?
The book is called "The Dream Solution"