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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: campion on February 19, 2012, 03:22:PM
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The farm Bamber stood to take a 50% stake in on the passing of his grandmother has a rather
complicated history. Carbonells farm was part of Wix Manor. Wix has many different corrupted forms
of spelling, it can be spelt Wix,Wykes,Wicks and Wich. They all have the same meaning and it has to do
with salt. Some of you will be aware that salt was an important commodity in Roman times and you will
also know that Dehlia Smith always uses Maldon Sea Salt when she is cooking. At the moment Maldon
is famous for three things. The fat bloke,Jeremy Bamber and Maldon Sea Salt, but, there may also be
something else.
Back to granny Speakmans farm, as you could expect the name Carbonell is derived from a surname,
in Morants history of Essex it mentions a John Carbonell from the year 1280, and that the manor of
Carbonells is derived from the capital manor of Wics. The parish of Wix is made up of four principal
manors, Wics, Carbonells, Hamstall and the Nunnery. The Nunnery was for Benedictine Nuns and
dedicated to the Virgin Mary. It was founded in the reign of Henry 1 and by the reign of Henry 2, 5 acres
of land was added in Tolleshunt. During the suppresion of the monasteries by Henry 8, Cardinal Wolsey
took personal possesion of Wikes Hall alias Wikes Abbey. The 17thC writer Thomas Tanner states that
the original deeds to Wykes Priory were in a Cardinals bundle amongst the records in chancery and the
bags of Essex and Suffolk in the Talley Court at the Exchequer and in Eton College, evidence room
drawer 59. He adds vide cartas quasadam originales in pyxhide cartarum legat.ab ant.wood. in museo
ashmolean oxon. In bibl.bodl.oxon ms dodsworth vol xxxix fol 90, ex cartis hujus monasteries. Ther is also
a confirmation deed of Henry 2 preserved among the carte antiquae in the Tower of London.
Righto Campion thats really interesting so what, well the manor of Wix as far as I can be sure was
swapped with Eton School for St James Westminster. Cardinal Wolsey or Thomas Wolsey as he was
known in his native Ipswich is killed near Leicester because he wants to build a University at Ipswich,
fortunately he has a fully trained understudy in Thomas Cromwell. Who just happens to marry a woman
called Elizabeth Wykes, in 1510, now that is a remarkable coincidence, because at this time Wolsey
has gone to Rome and got a Papal Bull to start dissolving the lesser monasteries.
If we now go back to the parish of Wix, the four estates are controlled by the principal manor, in
Edward the Confessors reign it is owned by Queen Edeva. Wix as you will find on maps is near Clacton
and is just a random area of land, of little importance to anyone other than Jeremy Bamber or is it !!!
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there used to be a pub called the wagon there thats about all i know of wix.
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campion, I found your post facinating!
Is there anything else that you have found out and not told us yet?
Was Wix of importance to anyone else?
Summer ;)
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Very interesting Campion.
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so who was going to get the other half of the farm.
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The farm Bamber stood to take a 50% stake in on the passing of his grandmother has a rather
complicated history. Carbonells farm was part of Wix Manor. Wix has many different corrupted forms
of spelling, it can be spelt Wix,Wykes,Wicks and Wich. They all have the same meaning and it has to do
with salt. Some of you will be aware that salt was an important commodity in Roman times and you will
also know that Dehlia Smith always uses Maldon Sea Salt when she is cooking. At the moment Maldon
is famous for three things. The fat bloke,Jeremy Bamber and Maldon Sea Salt, but, there may also be
something else.
Back to granny Speakmans farm, as you could expect the name Carbonell is derived from a surname,
in Morants history of Essex it mentions a John Carbonell from the year 1280, and that the manor of
Carbonells is derived from the capital manor of Wics. The parish of Wix is made up of four principal
manors, Wics, Carbonells, Hamstall and the Nunnery. The Nunnery was for Benedictine Nuns and
dedicated to the Virgin Mary. It was founded in the reign of Henry 1 and by the reign of Henry 2, 5 acres
of land was added in Tolleshunt. During the suppresion of the monasteries by Henry 8, Cardinal Wolsey
took personal possesion of Wikes Hall alias Wikes Abbey. The 17thC writer Thomas Tanner states that
the original deeds to Wykes Priory were in a Cardinals bundle amongst the records in chancery and the
bags of Essex and Suffolk in the Talley Court at the Exchequer and in Eton College, evidence room
drawer 59. He adds vide cartas quasadam originales in pyxhide cartarum legat.ab ant.wood. in museo
ashmolean oxon. In bibl.bodl.oxon ms dodsworth vol xxxix fol 90, ex cartis hujus monasteries. Ther is also
a confirmation deed of Henry 2 preserved among the carte antiquae in the Tower of London.
Righto Campion thats really interesting so what, well the manor of Wix as far as I can be sure was
swapped with Eton School for St James Westminster. Cardinal Wolsey or Thomas Wolsey as he was
known in his native Ipswich is killed near Leicester because he wants to build a University at Ipswich,
fortunately he has a fully trained understudy in Thomas Cromwell. Who just happens to marry a woman
called Elizabeth Wykes, in 1510, now that is a remarkable coincidence, because at this time Wolsey
has gone to Rome and got a Papal Bull to start dissolving the lesser monasteries.
If we now go back to the parish of Wix, the four estates are controlled by the principal manor, in
Edward the Confessors reign it is owned by Queen Edeva. Wix as you will find on maps is near Clacton
and is just a random area of land, of little importance to anyone other than Jeremy Bamber or is it !!!
Fascinating, Campion! Tell us more, please.
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Another of granny Speakmans properties Vaulty Manor was formerly part of the manor of Totham
with Goldangre, the earliest possessors being the De Jarpenvill family. Three knights fees were due
to the Crown. A single knights fee was the knight, his horse, his armour and attendants for one year,
three was a considerable provision. A person with this type of mandate would need to be seriously
wealthy. Little Totham had to provide one knights fee. The knights were often escorts on crusades and
were probably families of former knights Templar's.
Fawlty manor belonged to Beeleigh Abbey, after the suppresion, Henry 8 granted falty manor to
Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk in 1538. He by licence sells the manor of Goldhanger in Falty to a
London goldsmith Robert Trapps on the 20 Jan the same year. There was a considerable ( yes you've
guessed it ) Saltworks here, the saltworks of Thurstable and Winstree hundred are frequently met
in the Doomsday book. Beeleigh Abbey like the Abbey at Wix was Roman Catholic, as was Cardinal
Wolsey and Thomas Cromwell. Yes, Campion fascinating stuff, but where is this leading and what does
it have to do with Jeremy. Ralph owned land round Vaulty Manor, together with Vaulty Manor owned
by granny Speakman, a sizeable chunk of real estate, as the American's say.
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Thurstable, the hundred that covers Heybridge, Langford, Wicham Bishops, Great and Little Totham,
Goldhanger, Tolleshunt Major, Tolleshunt Knights, Tolleshunt D'Arcy and Tollesbury takes it's name
according to Morant M.A. takes it's name from Thor, a Saxon deity and Stable, possibly from the common word stable. At the time of the survey for the Doomsday Book it was possessed by the King and had
four saltworks in it. In some records it is written turestapla.
Thurs is an ancient fabled Norse warrior god whose strength in battle they feared. The battle of
Maldon, which the Vikings won against the Saxon's whose chieftan Brynoth according to legend, fought
with six warriors and a large black dog against overwhelming odds. This explanation is possibly closer
to the truth and may also give a clue to Thurstables origin as a defended territory of major significance,
why would the Vikings invade. Brynoth was killed close to the Osea Caravan park, amongst who's
owner's was none other than Jeremy. Osea caravan park is located next to the river Blackwater where
the Viking longboats landed.
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Thurstable, the hundred that covers Heybridge, Langford, Wicham Bishops, Great and Little Totham,
Goldhanger, Tolleshunt Major, Tolleshunt Knights, Tolleshunt D'Arcy and Tollesbury takes it's name
according to Morant M.A. takes it's name from Thor, a Saxon deity and Stable, possibly from the common word stable. At the time of the survey for the Doomsday Book it was possessed by the King and had
four saltworks in it. In some records it is written turestapla.
Thurs is an ancient fabled Norse warrior god whose strength in battle they feared. The battle of
Maldon, which the Vikings won against the Saxon's whose chieftan Brynoth according to legend, fought
with six warriors and a large black dog against overwhelming odds. This explanation is possibly closer
to the truth and may also give a clue to Thurstables origin as a defended territory of major significance,
why would the Vikings invade. Brynoth was killed close to the Osea Caravan park, amongst who's
owner's was none other than Jeremy. Osea caravan park is located next to the river Blackwater where
the Viking longboats landed.
I thought Brythnoth was killed just opposite Northy Island where there is a plaque erected? http://www.battleofmaldon.org.uk/ Nice work though.
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i see so the vikings wanted the caravan park then.
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Grahame, how far is Northey island from the caravan park ? And nugnug no I don't think they
came all that way for a week in caravan, unless it was the school holidays !!!
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Grahame, how far is Northey island from the caravan park ? And nugnug no I don't think they
came all that way for a week in caravan, unless it was the school holidays !!!
Well as you can see from the map Northy Island causeway is on the Mundon Road end. The Osea Island causeway is on the Goldhanger road on the other side of the river. It's a fair way by road. I've walked along the sea wall to it from Heybridge Basin though. Bet the Vikings may have landed on the other side of Northy Island on the Osea Island side and trekked across Northy and onto the marshes where the Northy causeway is?
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Strange? The inscription written on his tomb in Ely Cathedral reads, "Brithnoth, Duke of Northumberland, killed in battle by the Danes 991 AD"
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Tollesbury the parish next door to White House Farm, joins on the west to the Tolleshunts and
Goldhanger. The name is derived from toll, the next bit Morant gets wrong. Bury, he says means town,
it in fact means King/Royal. Morant then goes on to say that it unquestionably was for tolls paid by ships
coming up the bay. The nunnery of Berking held lands here before the survey Morant adds. From the survey until 1329, Tollesbury is recorded asTolleshunt Guisnes, from Baldwin Earl of Guisnes.
The parish was divided into four manors, Bourchiers Hall, St Mary of Berking, Gorwell and Bohuns-Hall
the rectory is also a manor. Bouchiers Hall Manor was given by Ernulph de Hordes to Balwin, Earl of
Guisnes in marriage for his daughter. Guisnes possessed three knights fees. The manor of St Marys of
Berking belonged to Barking Abbey, whose origins can be traced back to Ethelburga, the first Abbess,
daughter of the 7th century Offa king of Mercia. Gorwell Manor is subordinate to Bouchiers-Hall of which
they hold service of half a knights fee. Bohuns Hall or Bones Hall is of unknown ownership until it is given
to Thomas Lord Cromwell, just before he is made Earl of Essex in 1539, as is the whole of Tollesbury at
the dissolution of the monasteries. At the moment I can't find a direct link to Jeremy, other than the
Blackwater and him have both got big mouths. Where there is interest is that Tollesbury is opposite
of the Roman fort called Othona at Bradwell. This is the same site where St Cedd built St Peters Chapel
in the 7th century. St Cedd came from Lindisfarne.
Robert Bouchier was a former Lord Chancellor of England. Upon the execution of Thomas Cromwell,
at the Tower of London, Tollesbury is given to Lady Mary, later Mary Queen of Scots, another previous
owner is Anne of Cleaves and Catherine Howards family are heavily involved here. In fact Tollesburys
past residents are the Whos Who of Whos Whos. You couldn't make this up. !!!!!!
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Grahame theres two things that are important with all of this. The first is the Bay at Goldhanger, the
sea came right in at Heybidge Basin, thats why they built the causeway which cost a fortune. The second is this, the victorius always write the history.
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campion, I have so enjoyed your posts about the history of the land.
I hope that you will do even more posts on this topic.
Maybe we will find that there is some link to our present day Jeremy!
Summer :)
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the victorious always write the history.
I have realised that for a while about this case.
"Brithnoth, Duke of Northumberland, killed in battle by the Danes 991 AD"
Could it say 'Northumbria' as opposed to 'Northumberland'? The former being a very large tract of Saxon northern England, whereas Northumberland is a large border county.
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I have realised that for a while about this case.
Could it say 'Northumbria' as opposed to 'Northumberland'? The former being a very large tract of Saxon northern England, whereas Northumberland is a large border county.
Possibly for one thing it has been translated from the Latin and for a second spelling was not a priority in those days, thus the different ways of spelling Brithnoth. I should think that may spelling errors have been made in the writing of history as have many facts as campion points out.
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Thurstable, the hundred that covers Heybridge, Langford, Wicham Bishops, Great and Little Totham,
Goldhanger, Tolleshunt Major, Tolleshunt Knights, Tolleshunt D'Arcy and Tollesbury takes it's name
according to Morant M.A. takes it's name from Thor, a Saxon deity and Stable, possibly from the common word stable. At the time of the survey for the Doomsday Book it was possessed by the King and had
four saltworks in it. In some records it is written turestapla.
Thurs is an ancient fabled Norse warrior god whose strength in battle they feared. The battle of
Maldon, which the Vikings won against the Saxon's whose chieftan Brynoth according to legend, fought
with six warriors and a large black dog against overwhelming odds. This explanation is possibly closer
to the truth and may also give a clue to Thurstables origin as a defended territory of major significance,
why would the Vikings invade. Brynoth was killed close to the Osea Caravan park, amongst who's
owner's was none other than Jeremy. Osea caravan park is located next to the river Blackwater where
the Viking longboats landed.
Fascinating, Campion. Well done for this!
Something that interests me about Jeremy's ancestry is why would a mother, born in West Ham in 1913 who, at the age of around 18, has a baby in Tendring, Essex, a baby born on the wrong side of the bedsheets, give him the illustrious christian names:
Leslie Bertie Fitzroy?
Bertie's easy, that was her brother's name. But where does Fitzroy come from?
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Great posts, fascinating to read.....
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The idea that Jeremy could have a had a life of luxury at Buckingham Palace with his birth parents as opposed to a mediocre life at WHF with Nevill and June is total nonsense.
The telephone directories for 1960 show Lieutenant Colonel L Marsham living in a run down flat at 5 Draycott Place SW3. Is this perhaps where it all began for Jeremy?
The previous year, in 1959, the electoral register shows the Lt Col living in an equally run down flat at 39 Palace Gardens Terrace which, though it sounds glamorous, looks like one of those drab, terraced bed and breakfast places that are common in Central London.
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Choch, All that I know about the Fitz part of a surname is it means son of, whether that is in or out of wedlock I don't know, but I think it was adopted after the Norman conquest and is used in the same
way that the scandinavians create surnames like Magnus Magnussohnn ( Magnus son of Magnus ).
Or it could be something to do with Irish gays, Michael Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzmichael. Yep, that is
about as poor as my writing gets !!!
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I don't know if this will help with anyone else's research but the line I have been following is Jeremy's
granny's side of the family, the Speakmans. Mabel nee Bunting, Husband Leslie died in 1975. There is
a file on the Essex Council Seax history site. Apparently, Leslie's father Samuel Speakman married
Florence Ratcliffe, they are some type of farming dynasty.
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Choch, All that I know about the Fitz part of a surname is it means son of, whether that is in or out of wedlock I don't know, but I think it was adopted after the Norman conquest and is used in the same
way that the scandinavians create surnames like Magnus Magnussohnn ( Magnus son of Magnus ).
Or it could be something to do with Irish gays, Michael Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzmichael. Yep, that is
about as poor as my writing gets !!!
Fitzroy is Norman, I believe, Campers. It means son of the King. Jeremy's father's birth registration, however, does not include a middle inital 'F'.
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Hot News. Part of Bamber country must include Colchester as that's where Jeremy and Julie met,
allegedly. Colchester with all its claims as the first capital of Britain from being the oldest recorded town, lacks medieval provenance. There is no doubt whatsoever of Roman occupation and that it was a
Colonia. I have reservations as to the authenticity as to its prominence in Iron Age Briton, Gosbecks
was the safest bet for an iron age town. This research is still in its embryonic stages, so there is much to
prove. The lack of involvement with monasteries in its early history suggests that its status has been
embellished somewhat and importance enhanced for economic gain and political gain. I do not believe for one moment that the Trinovante King lived there, for this reason. The Colne that Colchester lies
ons Port, the Hythe is also known as St Leonard's and St Leonard is a 6Th century Merovingian Saint
of prisoners. Colchester may well have been a prison used by Rome and at the dissolution of the
Monasteries and creation of the Church of England had its profile raised somewhat to cover up what had
really happened. Philip Morant who wrote the History and Antiquities of the County of Essex was born
on Jersey in 1700 and educated in Abingdon, England where he progressed to Pembroke College, Oxford
in 1717. Campion, Campion, you're drifting again, what does this have to do with Bamber. Aha, you may well ask and the answer is elementary. Bogus interpretation of facts, distortion of evidence, conspiracy
and all done in the name of God. Royal Arch Masons quake in your boots and as for you dippy university
history scholars, may your heads spin round in dispair. Cunobelin didn't live in Colchester, in fact his
coins were not minted in Colchester, his Kingdoms centre was somewhere else !
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Ha Ha, Draycot place is not at all run down, it is just off Sloane Avenue and the place is full of mansion blocks, if his old man lived there it is and was pretty smart in the 60's - and 2 minutes from the Kings Road !!
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I don't know if this will help with anyone else's research but the line I have been following is Jeremy's
granny's side of the family, the Speakmans. Mabel nee Bunting, Husband Leslie died in 1975. There is
a file on the Essex Council Seax history site. Apparently, Leslie's father Samuel Speakman married
Florence Ratcliffe, they are some type of farming dynasty.
Samuel Speakman was born in Writtle, near Chelmsford in c 1865, Campion. He was the son of Henry H (born Chelmsford c 1835) and Ann Speakman. Henry's older brother, Thomas, (born c 1820), was a farmer. Henry is shown on the census as a young man, working for his brother as an assistant on the farm. Henry H's father appears to have been John Speakman, born in Essex in c 1796, a small farmer who farmed in the Moulsham area of Chelmsford.
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Fitzroy is Norman, I believe, Campers. It means son of the King. Jeremy's father's birth registration, however, does not include a middle inital 'F'.
You got that from the Robin Hood films ;D
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Choch, I made that just under an hour and a half for you to unlock the Speakmans family tree, do
the Bamberettes possess this skill cause they got as far as granny Speakman on their tree. Grahame
can you follow this with a link to the Dick Barton Theme tune ?
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Choch, All that I know about the Fitz part of a surname is it means son of, whether that is in or out of wedlock I don't know, but I think it was adopted after the Norman conquest and is used in the same
way that the scandinavians create surnames like Magnus Magnussohnn ( Magnus son of Magnus ).
Or it could be something to do with Irish gays, Michael Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzmichael. Yep, that is
about as poor as my writing gets !!!
campion, many times I have mulled over the possibilty that the actual blood lines of both Jeremy and
Sheila may be, in some way, central to this case.
If, for example, Jeremy did not commit the murders, is his bloodline the reason that "powers that be"
never want him to get out of prison?
Perhaps the same reasoning might apply even if "they" do think he did it?
Could he prove an immense embarrasment to powerful people?
Does the status quo continue as long as he is out of the way and in no position to do any sleuthing
about his true origins and how he ended up at White House Farm?
(Because he has proved himself to be very good at "sleuthung", even from a prison cell with no internet!)
The more times his appeals are denied, the more I am wondering "who is orchestrating his life long
incarceration" and on whose instructions are his grounds of appeal, at least up to the present time, repeatedly dashed?
Basically, no matter what his and even Sheila's birth certificates state - are they correct or fabrications?
I know that this is beginning to sound like conspiracy theory territory, but what if there really is a much bigger picture than just the Bamber relatives and Julie Mugford, as was, wanting to keep him and perhaps even Sheila out of the
way for good!
I imagine that it would take a pretty important reason/person to keep this up for so long.
Summer ???
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Ha Ha, Draycot place is not at all run down, it is just off Sloane Avenue and the place is full of mansion blocks, if his old man lived there it is and was pretty smart in the 60's - and 2 minutes from the Kings Road !!
Draycott Place, London, SW3
1 bedroom flat for sale.
£350,000
http://www.globrix.com/property-details/36922422-draycott_place-london-sw3-1_bed-flat
You would pay around a million for a 1 bed flat elsewhere in SW3, Boheme
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Choch, I made that just under an hour and a half for you to unlock the Speakmans family tree, do
the Bamberettes possess this skill cause they got as far as granny Speakman on their tree. Grahame
can you follow this with a link to the Dick Barton Theme tune ?
It took me around 10 mins to figure it out, Campers, a little slow, but then I've been very busy today. I didn't arrive home from my office until around 1 am. I am so shattered.
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Summer, This is where I think the problems arise, the adopted mothers side of the family. With granny
Speakman passing away so close to Jeremy's arrest, presumably she must have been in poor health
for sometime and her passing would be expected by all parties with a vested interest. Generally,
grandchildren have little specialist knowledge of how much there grandparents are worth in shares and
property. Their children do because they have openly discussed this delicate issue prior to the event,
particularly the farming fraternity, because it involves death duties, mainly inheritance tax. If they weren't in the loop, the consequences may affect there own properties that could be held in a family trust. The grandchildren just view that granparents are well off. This unpleasant scenario is the nature
of these situations, the children have to be well informed. In the unlikely event that an entire generation
is leapfrogged, then those with a vested interest are likely to become hostile to a junior, especially if they are not a direct blood relative. Can a family divide like that, would they push another family member
out and could they make sure that that person would never enter the scenario again, that is for people
to form their own judgement, my opinion is yes it can happen and it's much more common occurrence
than society is prepared to recognise. The Speakman family were seriously rich, because they were
very astute business people and they can only be congratulated for their success, it is what came next
and it's influences and possible motive ?
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Back to Bamber country after a quick fix of listening to the Dick Barton Special Agent theme tune,
Barton as some may know has an Aunt Agatha.
Langford parish, part of the Thurstable Hundred according to Morant takes its name from the
Saxon words for long and ford unsurprisingly. Lord Bouchier held half a knights fee as did Lord fitzwalter.
Thomas Langford flourished here in 1320, a Dominican Friar and author of the Universal Chronicle. There are strong links to Cressing Temple ( Cressing Temple Barns near Witham/Braintree ). Mary queen of Scots, Anne Bouchier marries William Parr who is then created in 1541 Marquis of Northhampton. He having forfeited his estates for espousing the cause of Lady Jane Grey, were all possessors of this estate. Campion, what has this got to do with Jeremy, absolutely nothing other than its more interesting than baking cakes, it is also essential to how this ends.
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For those of you still following this we next go across Fluvinus Idumanius, otherwise known as
Blackwater Bay, opposite Tollesbury. As already stated above the site of Othona. It is not called Bradwell
in the Doomsday book but Effecestre, this was called in Saxon times Ithancestir, much of this town has been lost to coastal erosion. St Cedd built many churches here according to the Venerable Bede. There is a spring called the Pants-Well. One of the Manors owners, Thomas Bardulfe was given it, by Henry II
brother William to hold the service of one knights fee. In 1485 Henry VII assigns this manor, among others to Queen Elizabeth, widow of King Edward IV, during her life. in 1539 Henry VIII gives it to his cast off queen Anne of Cleaves. 1558 sees it in the hands of Queen Mary who annexed it to the Dutchy
of Lancaster. The Manors of Battails, Dounhall and East Hall provide one knights fee, one lance in the Kings army respectively, East Hall being mainly marsh had one called Coleward owned by Bilegh Abbey.
On the North East point stood a Chapel, intently called Capella de la Val, or St Peter ad Murum.
The Jeremy connection, he could probably see it all from his tractor !
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For those of you still following this we next go across Fluvinus Idumanius, otherwise known as
Blackwater Bay, opposite Tollesbury. As already stated above the site of Othona. It is not called Bradwell
in the Doomsday book but Effecestre, this was called in Saxon times Ithancestir, much of this town has been lost to coastal erosion. St Cedd built many churches here according to the Venerable Bede. There is a spring called the Pants-Well. One of the Manors owners, Thomas Bardulfe was given it, by Henry II
brother William to hold the service of one knights fee. In 1485 Henry VII assigns this manor, among others to Queen Elizabeth, widow of King Edward IV, during her life. in 1539 Henry VIII gives it to his cast off queen Anne of Cleaves. 1558 sees it in the hands of Queen Mary who annexed it to the Dutchy
of Lancaster. The Manors of Battails, Dounhall and East Hall provide one knights fee, one lance in the Kings army respectively, East Hall being mainly marsh had one called Coleward owned by Bilegh Abbey.
On the North East point stood a Chapel, intently called Capella de la Val, or St Peter ad Murum.
The Jeremy connection, he could probably see it all from his tractor !
I think your knowledge is brilliant campion. I should think you have enough here to write a reasonablt sized pamphlet, which could easily be sold at the town's information centre and other outlets. Get and write it and we could go from there.
There have been several local writers who have had their work published. I used to know a chap named Ken Stubbings who wrote a small book about local pubs and he found it quite easy to publish it. You will always find people round here are interested in things local and there is some information you have here which I haven't seen before.
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Amendment, the Mary mentioned earlier is Queen Mary I, daughter of Henry VIII and Catherine of Arogan, Mary is half sister to Edward VI, son of Anne of Cleves. Edward VI is betrothed to Mary Queen of
Scots. Edward VI is King 1547- 1553 and then succeeded by Queen Mary I who marries Phillip II King of
Spain. Mary is also known as Bloody Mary, Reigns from 1553-1558. Phillip II of Spain is the son of Charles
V Holy Roman Emperor Crowned by the Pope. On Mary's death she is succeeded as Queen by Elizabeth I, whose mother is Anne Boleyn who's house is now Newhall School, Chelmsford. So your point Campion
is what ! They all had homes in Bamber Country.
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Amendment, the Mary mentioned earlier is Queen Mary I, daughter of Henry VIII and Catherine of Arogan, Mary is half sister to Edward VI, son of Anne of Cleves. Edward VI is betrothed to Mary Queen of
Scots. Edward VI is King 1547- 1553 and then succeeded by Queen Mary I who marries Phillip II King of
Spain. Mary is also known as Bloody Mary, Reigns from 1553-1558. Phillip II of Spain is the son of Charles
V Holy Roman Emperor Crowned by the Pope. On Mary's death she is succeeded as Queen by Elizabeth I, whose mother is Anne Boleyn who's house is now Newhall School, Chelmsford. So your point Campion
is what ! They all had homes in Bamber Country.
Excellent, Campers!
Wasn't the reason that the royals all had homes in Bamber country partly due to its combined strategic importance, exceptionally pleasant countryside and gastronomic location and partly due to tradition?
The Blackwater area was then one great wildlife reserve, as it was largely covered by the great forest of Essex. Wasn't it also a spa? Remote and beautiful, every part of it allowing easy access to the healing ( exceptionally high density) salt waters and mud of the estuary. The area was a foremost centre of horsemanship too, so important to and beloved of the Normans and the British monarchy alike. It teemed with the wildlife that William the Conqueror loved "..for he so loved the tall deer the of the forest, as though he was their father..." according to the Chronicler. Where the King went, all of his nobles had to go too, so the Blackwater would have become the in place to take your leisure.
The Blackwater was within reasonable travelling distance of London and Colchester - and the continent too - all important for the Normans. It was also strategically important for repelling invasion by the Vikings, such as that of 1080, which held up work on the extension of Colchester Castle.
William the Conqueror began building Colchester Castle in the area some three years after he invaded us and one of the royal b*sta*rd's great favourites, Eudo Dapifer, would eventually be installed there as steward of the King's castle.
The royals have always been great creatures of habit: Christmas at Sandringham, A summer week at Holyrood, a week at Windsor timed with the horse trials, cricket and wild fowling in the Blackwater, the Queen, her father, grandparents and great grandparents, all following the same routines.
Following the death of William the B*st*rd, (who I believe banned hunting) the great forest of Essex at the Blackwater would have become a popular centre for hunting and wildfowling too.
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Most towns and settlements were built on rivers and estuaries simply because of ease of travel for trade purposes and were relatively free from robbers and highway men. I rather think that the Vikings were not as bad as they were made out to be and that many of them came to Briton to trade. Ports were great trading places.
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The quest continues back across the Blackwater to Tolleshunt Beckingham/Mauger, is sometimes
written in records, Touzon. There is one manor in this parish and two reputed ones named Heighams and Joyces, and Wykes. The manor initially belonged to Geoffrey De Tregoz when it was called Mauger, it was given by him to Coggeshall-Abbey. In 1538 K. Henry VIII granted it to Sir Thomas Seymour, brother to the Duke of Somerset. He exchanged it with the King, who in 1543 grants it to Stephen Beckingham, originally from Wiltshire. The Mansion House has a stately gate of brick with four turrets.
Highams lies near the road leading from Goldanger to Tollesbury. Joyces belonged to the Higham family and was passed to that of Beckingham. It was a considerable farm.
Wykes was another reputed manor in the parish. The Mansion House stood on Tiptree Heath near
the Parsonage called Renters. It was Ancient with part of it pulled down. There is no account of this Estate until 1525 when it is granted to Cardinal Wolsey. Brian D' Arcy Of Tiptree and st Osyth dies possessed of it in 1587. By 1608 there is mention of one knights service. The church dedicated to St Nicholas was owned by the Priory of Caldwell in Bedfordshire, founded by Simon Basset in 1152, for Canons of the order of St Augustine. A chapel was built next to the church called Beckinghams Chapel
with stately monument in alabaster in 1609 for Stephen Beckingham. Both are demolished and the
Arch between the two is walled up. Dunmow Priory may have had lands in this parish, as might the Bambers.
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The quest continues back across the Blackwater to Tolleshunt Beckingham/Mauger, is sometimes
written in records, Touzon. There is one manor in this parish and two reputed ones named Heighams and Joyces, and Wykes. The manor initially belonged to Geoffrey De Tregoz when it was called Mauger, it was given by him to Coggeshall-Abbey. In 1538 K. Henry VIII granted it to Sir Thomas Seymour, brother to the Duke of Somerset. He exchanged it with the King, who in 1543 grants it to Stephen Beckingham, originally from Wiltshire. The Mansion House has a stately gate of brick with four turrets.
Highams lies near the road leading from Goldanger to Tollesbury. Joyces belonged to the Higham family and was passed to that of Beckingham. It was a considerable farm.
Wykes was another reputed manor in the parish. The Mansion House stood on Tiptree Heath near
the Parsonage called Renters. It was Ancient with part of it pulled down. There is no account of this Estate until 1525 when it is granted to Cardinal Wolsey. Brian D' Arcy Of Tiptree and st Osyth dies possessed of it in 1587. By 1608 there is mention of one knights service. The church dedicated to St Nicholas was owned by the Priory of Caldwell in Bedfordshire, founded by Simon Basset in 1152, for Canons of the order of St Augustine. A chapel was built next to the church called Beckinghams Chapel
with stately monument in alabaster in 1609 for Stephen Beckingham. Both are demolished and the
Arch between the two is walled up. Dunmow Priory may have had lands in this parish, as might the Bambers.
The Howie family, related to Gran Speakman, own Wykes Manor Farm now, Campers. The farmhouse is early 17th century with a catslide roof. It's believed that the farmhouse was built by the Samms family, who were local gentry with property in the Tolleshunt villages, Goldhanger and Little Totham, I believe.
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In 1775, John Samms of Latchingdon on the Dengie pensinsular engaged a young man named Joseph Campion as an apprentice.
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On that note I am going to find the Benny Hill theme tune, Choch you have just given this story the
most bizarre, unexpected twist, so surreal that when this thread ends, Jackie Preece will drag me into
Chelmsfords Premiere Lap Dancing Club and have me carried out by stretcher some four hours later. I didn't know Bambers had this link to Wykes. Jeremy will be astonished, as will everybody else.
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Great Toteham comes next, Tote apparently a Saxon mans name and ham for habitation. Haam, as
I may or maynot have said possibly comes from the Hebrew word for God. Tote may mean a monument
in the form of a pillar, similar to Cleopatra's Needle or a Native American Totem Pole, that at the moment
is conjecture. Great Totham is east of Wickham Bishops and Langford. Turbert was owner in the days of Edward the Confessor, and Hamo Dapiser held it at the time of the survey. The manor of Great Totham,
Totham Hall, was left by Hamo Dapiser to children of his elder brother, Robert Fitz-Hamon, Lord of Caerdiff and Tewksbury, whose oldest daughter and coheir Mabel brought it in marriage to William, the natural son of King Henry I. created Earl of Gloucester in 1109. His eldest son also called William then gives this Lordship to Richard de Lucy, Maud de Lucy is given in marriage by King John in 1213 to Richard de Rivers of Chipping Ongar, Essex. Now, there is involvement here with Humfrey de Bohun, from him it gets onto Mary, wife of the Earl of Derby, later Henry IV. There is more Nobility in this manors provenance than you can " shake a stick at " Three knights fees are payable. Sir Brian Tuke purchased it
and Layer-Marney-Hall and dies possessed of it in 1545, Morant describes Totham Hall as a great estate.
Frevills manor has less account than Totham Hall, mention of Edward Nalinghurst, a local lunatic in1551, he couldn't have been that crackers because he also owns land Little Totham,Goldanger,Tollesbury, Tollehunt D'Arcy and Major. Frerne or Ferne lands were given by Robert Mantel to Bilegh Abbey, which was founded by himself. At the Suppresion these lands are taken by the Crown and in 1544, King Henry VIII grants them to William Butts.
Ovesey Island ( Osea ) also belonged to Turbett mentioned above then Hamo Dapiser. For most of its history it goes along with the Capital Manor. Henry Bouchier holds Totham-Oveseye for half a knights
fee until his death in 1483. Within the parish of Totham, upon the shore, are many Tumuli, or Mounts of earth, called Borough-Hills, which were the Graves of Saxons and Danes killed in assaulting and defending England. Morant says they are just so far down the stream as the Colliers now come to unload, which makes it probable that the Danish vessels drew much the same water. The Church dedicated to St Peter was given by Maurice de Totham and Hugh de Nevill to the Nuns of Clerkenwell Monastery.
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Great Toteham comes next, Tote apparently a Saxon mans name and ham for habitation. Haam, as
I may or maynot have said possibly comes from the Hebrew word for God. Tote may mean a monument
in the form of a pillar, similar to Cleopatra's Needle or a Native American Totem Pole, that at the moment
is conjecture. Great Totham is east of Wickham Bishops and Langford. Turbert was owner in the days of Edward the Confessor, and Hamo Dapiser held it at the time of the survey. The manor of Great Totham,
Totham Hall, was left by Hamo Dapiser to children of his elder brother, Robert Fitz-Hamon, Lord of Caerdiff and Tewksbury, whose oldest daughter and coheir Mabel brought it in marriage to William, the natural son of King Henry I. created Earl of Gloucester in 1109. His eldest son also called William then gives this Lordship to Richard de Lucy, Maud de Lucy is given in marriage by King John in 1213 to Richard de Rivers of Chipping Ongar, Essex. Now, there is involvement here with Humfrey de Bohun, from him it gets onto Mary, wife of the Earl of Derby, later Henry IV. There is more Nobility in this manors provenance than you can " shake a stick at " Three knights fees are payable. Sir Brian Tuke purchased it
and Layer-Marney-Hall and dies possessed of it in 1545, Morant describes Totham Hall as a great estate.
Frevills manor has less account than Totham Hall, mention of Edward Nalinghurst, a local lunatic in1551, he couldn't have been that crackers because he also owns land Little Totham,Goldanger,Tollesbury, Tollehunt D'Arcy and Major. Frerne or Ferne lands were given by Robert Mantel to Bilegh Abbey, which was founded by himself. At the Suppresion these lands are taken by the Crown and in 1544, King Henry VIII grants them to William Butts.
Ovesey Island ( Osea ) also belonged to Turbett mentioned above then Hamo Dapiser. For most of its history it goes along with the Capital Manor. Henry Bouchier holds Totham-Oveseye for half a knights
fee until his death in 1483. Within the parish of Totham, upon the shore, are many Tumuli, or Mounts of earth, called Borough-Hills, which were the Graves of Saxons and Danes killed in assaulting and defending England. Morant says they are just so far down the stream as the Colliers now come to unload, which makes it probable that the Danish vessels drew much the same water. The Church dedicated to St Peter was given by Maurice de Totham and Hugh de Nevill to the Nuns of Clerkenwell Monastery.
Ham is a Hebrew word meaning "burnt". The word for God in Hebrew was EL or Elohim. The earliest know Hebrew term for God was UL or Ulla. Moses was apparently given the name of God which was Jehovah or Yahweh or even Jah or Yah as the actual pronunciation is unknown as the Jews thought it too sacred pass their lips.
Interesting how some of these Essex words came into being. I know the name Brentwood comes from burntwood because they used to make charcoal there.
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Well Grahame I will have to disagree on your version of Haam, Perhaps I have spelt it wrong and it should be Hiam. When I researched Ingatestone and Fryerning's iron age history. Essex council said their records showed Ingatestone taking it's name from a Saxon called Ginga, personally that is the name somebody gives to a cat. When I had trawled through the Saxon Charters, I came across an entry for Rycinngahaam, witnessed by St Cedd for some land given to build a chapel called Bedemans Berg. Barking Abbey, owned the Estates of Handley and Woodbarns, The Abbess, Ethelburga who had a son called Bede, coincidentally, herself an Offa Princess from Lindon in Lincolnshire, her brother Erkenwald, Bishop of London otherwise known as King of the Angles, both were children of the Mercian King of Briton in the 7th century, did not live in a town,place or other without an association to the Virgin Mary or God. I concluded that Rycinngahaam in fact had a closer meaning as Gods Enclosure from a hybrid of Italian/Latin and Hebrew and not that of a cat. Due in the main because every major house had a name
derived from the most powerful Religious Orders in Britain including Furness Abbey, Canterbury and Westminster. I stood on top of a 40ft high iron age barrow, in a wood called Barrow Wood that cannot
be explained away as the work of industrious badgers. Found an Iron age road, links to the Knights Hospitallers, a Roman horse market, evidence of an iron age chariot burial, the oldest recorded Syracuse/Ancient Greece 280/270BC coin ever found in the British Isles, confirmed by Dr Paul Seeley of Colchester Museum Resource Centre who is a leading specialist on Iron Age Britain and on closer inspection of an area covering thousands of acres, what Council Archaeologists had identified as deer banks, were in fact remnants of ditches belonging to a large Iron Age Settlement, previously overlooked
by historians as of little significance. When i questioned the reliability of distances in the Antonine Itinerary as locating towns should match to where they are purportedly said to be today, Caeseromagus, Caesar's Market (Chelmsford ) the explanation given to me for discrepancies was that one of the Roman surveyors was alot taller than the other and they started at opposite ends and that was why Caeseromagus was 26 miles from Londinium and 24 miles from Camulodunum. I had never heard anything that ridiculous until I read the Police reasoning for convicting Jeremy Bamber. Perhaps one of the Roman surveyors cheated by riding some of the journey on a ladies bicycle. After even more extensive cross referenced research I established the exact location of the Roman Farriers workshop, that just happened to be next to the Roman Horse Market. I came to the conclusion that perhaps this was in fact the location of Caeseromagus because the distances actually matched up for Londinium. As it became apparent to me that the Iron Age settlements were always on high ground with heath close at hand, it made sense that the reason Cunobelins coins have a horse on one side and an ear of wheat
on the other, that the ancient Britons were in fact Horse masters and had been supplying the known world at that time with the finest chariot ( quadrigga four horse ) racing animals. They were all gelded
to make them easy to control. Gelding being invented by the Hebrews and shown by the use of phylacteries. Ham in a place name is God unless of course someone can come up with a more feasible explanation and that is why I am sticking to my original explanation. The Ancient Britons were horse worshippers under the Goddess Epona ( she is always seen with a horse with a mouth full of fat ears of wheat ) Dr William Stukely understood this when he rebuilt Stonehenge and found he could only rebuild
a horseshoe structure, he also discovered a horse burial on top of Silbury hill. He was the leading antiquary of his time and to protect the church he was demonised as a heretic. He is buried in St Marys
Church Barking, Close to the site of Barking Abbey and I have been informed the Church and former Abbey were linked by a tunnel. Oh I forgot to mention the tunnel system at Fryerning/ Ingatestone
linking Bedemans Berg to Furze Hall to St Leonards to St Marys Church all in the enclosure where the Syracuse coin was found. I hope this goes some way in to explaining my reasoning and conclusions.
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Choch, clarification on the definition of Fitzroy from the Revd Dr Brewers dictionary of Phrase and Fable.
Fitz ( Norman ). Son of ; as Fitz-Herbert, Fitz-William, Fitz-Peter etc. It is sometimes applied to illigitimate
children, as Fitz-Clarence, Fitz-Roy.
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The Black Beauty TV theme tune fits in with the horse connection, now on to Little Totham. It is between Great Totham and Goldhanger, to which the last parish it was united. It is a small parish, not of the best air, but two families chose it as their place of residence, Hevingham and Sammes. The two Manors are Little Totham And Rokhall. The Manor house at Little Totham was built by Sir John Sammes. In Edward the Confessor's reign it was in two hands Cola and Gunner. At the time of the survey, Hugh de Montfort held the former, and Suene the latter which Gunner was allowed to enjoy under him which is uncommon. Under Henry de Essex 4 knights fees were held. In the reign of HenryIII this manor and Goldhanger are vested with the de Jarpenvil family. An heiress of the de Jarpenvil's married into the Hevingham family, from whom it came by purchase into that of Browne and then Sammes.
The Hevingham Family deduced their pedigree from Walter lord of Hevingham in Suffolk before the Norman Conquest. The first Hevingham to settle here was Philip in the reign of King Edward I. One of his predecessors was Sir William Hevingham, who was with King Richard I, at the siege of Acon, where he overcame and killed Sapher, the governor of the Castle in a single combat, a fight to the death. Philip in the rein of K Edward I marries Maud, daughter of Roger de Jarpenvil, after these two the inter marriages
go wright through the Essex Families, Strutts, Haningfields and Peverals. Then the Sammes enter through Marriage. Sir John Sammes was a knight and governor of Isendike in Flanders where he lies buried. His wife was daughter of Sir John Gerrard, Kt. Lord Mayor of London.
Rokhall or Rookhall is the other manor, the house was situated about a quarter of a mile out of the road leading from this parish to Heybridge. Eduuolt, and Aluric were owners in Edward the Confessors reign, by the time of the survey it is in the See of The Bisops of London. All Saints church at Little Totham
has the oldest door dating from about 1082 but it could be a lot older. The church or rather chapel has been from time immemorial annexed to the church of Goldhanger.
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Tolleshunt Knights is northeast of Tolleshunt Major, adjoining the Winstree Hundred. Besides its name of Tolleshunt Knights in latin Militis, in French Chivaler, also Parva, sometimes Magna and Tolleshunt Bushes [ corruptly Bishop ] because the church lies in bushes. Ailmar, Alric and eight freemen
were owners before the survey, after which Ralph Baignard and Gonduin have title. The two Manors are Barnewalden/Barne-Hall and Brooke Hall. Barnewalden Mansion House is situated on the side of a hill with an extensive view of Mersey Island and the sea. Roman pavements were dug up near it several feet underground. William Baignard son of Ralph loses this and his other estates for siding with King Henry I enemies, King Henry I gives them to Robert, the younger son of Richard Fitz-Gilbert, ancestor of the noble Family of Fitz-Walter. Under Walter Fitz-Robert Robert de Tolleshunt holds one knights fee in the reign of Henry II. By the time of King Edward the II the estate is in the hands of Patteshull family. It
then goes to the Lee family seated at Aldbury, John de la Lee is several times Sheriff of Essex and Hertfordshire. He died in 1307. Geffrey de la Lee was Knight of the Shire in several parliaments for the County of Hertford. Barking Abbey, John le Bouffer, William de Marney and Richard De Teye all have involvement with this Manor. By the 16thC there is mention of a Sir Robert Ratcliffe Lord Fitz-Water and a Henry Parker Lord Morley, The estate is called Barnewalden Park. Manyfield Wic that goes along with this Estate, stands near the Church. The Manor of Brooke-Hall, is owned by Alric before the survey and Gondwin after it. It's the only Estate he had in this County, it then goes to the Abbey of St Osyth. It comes to the Crown at the Suppresion of the Monasteries, King Henry VIII gives it to Thomas Cromwell, after his execution Henry grants it to his forsaken Queen the Lady Anne of Cleve. Queen Elizabeth I gives Brokehall in 1599, Aug 1 to a John Spencer, Alderman of London. The Church is dedicated to All-Saints and the Rectory was a gift from The Lord of Barnewalden-Manor.
In hindsight this thread should start with the theme tune to William Wyler's The Big Country !!!
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campion, I continue to thoroughly enjoy reading your marvellous research on Bamber Country!
Excellent and enthralling! :)
Summer
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Summer, This is where I think the problems arise, the adopted mothers side of the family. With granny
Speakman passing away so close to Jeremy's arrest, presumably she must have been in poor health
for sometime and her passing would be expected by all parties with a vested interest. Generally,
grandchildren have little specialist knowledge of how much there grandparents are worth in shares and
property. Their children do because they have openly discussed this delicate issue prior to the event,
particularly the farming fraternity, because it involves death duties, mainly inheritance tax. If they weren't in the loop, the consequences may affect there own properties that could be held in a family trust. The grandchildren just view that granparents are well off. This unpleasant scenario is the nature
of these situations, the children have to be well informed. In the unlikely event that an entire generation
is leapfrogged, then those with a vested interest are likely to become hostile to a junior, especially if they are not a direct blood relative. Can a family divide like that, would they push another family member
out and could they make sure that that person would never enter the scenario again, that is for people
to form their own judgement, my opinion is yes it can happen and it's much more common occurrence
than society is prepared to recognise. The Speakman family were seriously rich, because they were
very astute business people and they can only be congratulated for their success, it is what came next
and it's influences and possible motive ?
campion, I think that a family could indeed divide in such a way.
Whole Kingdoms have been won by eliminating family members in Battle, I believe.
I think the important point here, is that Jeremy, Sheila and the twins were not related to at least
June Bamber's side of the family, at all by blood.
The references that they were "Cuckoos", if true , I find both chilling and telling, about how the family
members on June's side felt. :(
Summer
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The references that they were "Cuckoos", if true , I find both chilling and telling, about how the family
members on June's side felt. :(
Summer
What is a "Cuckoo"? Does it mean someone adopted into a family who is also a blood relation some how? Please excuse my ignorance.
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What is a "Cuckoo"? Does it mean someone adopted into a family who is also a blood relation some how? Please excuse my ignorance.
janet, I have read that the relatives of June Bamber used to refer to Jeremy and Sheila as the
Cuckoos, meaning that they were not blood relations and were in the family basically, just like Cuckoos
lay there eggs in another species of bird's nest!
It is a horrible phrase, yet a telling one, if indeed, it is true. ???
Summer
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janet, I have read that the relatives of June Bamber used to refer to Jeremy and Sheila as the
Cuckoos, meaning that they were not blood relations and were in the family basically, just like Cuckoos
lay there eggs in another species of bird's nest!
It is a horrible phrase, yet a telling one, if indeed, it is true. ???
Summer
Ah I see. Thanks Summer. But is it possible that there is a blood connection between Jeremy/Sheila/the Bambers/the Speakmans?
Maybe that might be the culmination of campions thread. I will let him tell his tale and continue to read with interest.
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Tolleshunt Knights is northeast of Tolleshunt Major, adjoining the Winstree Hundred. Besides its name of Tolleshunt Knights in latin Militis, in French Chivaler, also Parva, sometimes Magna and Tolleshunt Bushes [ corruptly Bishop ] because the church lies in bushes. Ailmar, Alric and eight freemen
were owners before the survey, after which Ralph Baignard and Gonduin have title. The two Manors are Barnewalden/Barne-Hall and Brooke Hall. Barnewalden Mansion House is situated on the side of a hill with an extensive view of Mersey Island and the sea. Roman pavements were dug up near it several feet underground. William Baignard son of Ralph loses this and his other estates for siding with King Henry I enemies, King Henry I gives them to Robert, the younger son of Richard Fitz-Gilbert, ancestor of the noble Family of Fitz-Walter. Under Walter Fitz-Robert Robert de Tolleshunt holds one knights fee in the reign of Henry II. By the time of King Edward the II the estate is in the hands of Patteshull family. It
then goes to the Lee family seated at Aldbury, John de la Lee is several times Sheriff of Essex and Hertfordshire. He died in 1307. Geffrey de la Lee was Knight of the Shire in several parliaments for the County of Hertford. Barking Abbey, John le Bouffer, William de Marney and Richard De Teye all have involvement with this Manor. By the 16thC there is mention of a Sir Robert Ratcliffe Lord Fitz-Water and a Henry Parker Lord Morley, The estate is called Barnewalden Park. Manyfield Wic that goes along with this Estate, stands near the Church. The Manor of Brooke-Hall, is owned by Alric before the survey and Gondwin after it. It's the only Estate he had in this County, it then goes to the Abbey of St Osyth. It comes to the Crown at the Suppresion of the Monasteries, King Henry VIII gives it to Thomas Cromwell, after his execution Henry grants it to his forsaken Queen the Lady Anne of Cleve. Queen Elizabeth I gives Brokehall in 1599, Aug 1 to a John Spencer, Alderman of London. The Church is dedicated to All-Saints and the Rectory was a gift from The Lord of Barnewalden-Manor.
In hindsight this thread should start with the theme tune to William Wyler's The Big Country !!!
Lovely, Campers! My grandmother was born at Manifold Wick farm. I wasn't aware it had once been called many field wick. Don't forget to cover Tiptree (or Tiptree Heath) Cannon Jay, Sheila's grandfather was born there, which has always struck me as rather odd, given that it was just a few miles from D'Arcy and also given the church connection.
The modern Tiptree was an amalgamation of a number of other parishes, all of which shared wood gathering rights on the heath: Inworth and Messing were among these parishes. So you'd perhaps need to do those too!
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Keira you and Campion need to put together a book between you it would be amazing!!!!!
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Keira you and Campion need to put together a book between you it would be amazing!!!!!
I read that wrong. I thought you said, "You and Keira should have a book put between you. ;D
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This is merely an observation, Jeremy Bamber appears to have developed a persona similar in kind to
King Richard III, who allegedly bumped off his young cousins to take their inheritance. Were AE and the Family big fans of William Shakespeare, and used this as a vehicle to destroy Jeremy's reputation ?
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This is merely an observation, Jeremy Bamber appears to have developed a persona similar in kind to
King Richard III, who allegedly bumped off his young cousins to take their inheritance. Were AE and the Family big fans of William Shakespeare, and used this as a vehicle to destroy Jeremy's reputation ?
Very astute Campion.
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This is merely an observation, Jeremy Bamber appears to have developed a persona similar in kind to
King Richard III, who allegedly bumped off his young cousins to take their inheritance. Were AE and the Family big fans of William Shakespeare, and used this as a vehicle to destroy Jeremy's reputation ?
Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this sun of York;
And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house
In the deep bosom of the ocean buried.
Now are our brows bound with victorious wreaths.
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We now move on to Wickham Bishops, this is styled Wickham-Bishops because from time immemorial
the Bishops of London have been Lords of the Manor, even before the Norman conquest. Morant then goes on to suggest this. The Saxon word pic signifies a Castle or Fortress; and though there are no remains of any ther might have been a temporary fortification against the Danes. A Beacon stood on the highest part of this parish, upon the edge of Tiptree Heath. ( I've been to see it, it is just off of Mountains Road.) Wickham Hall was the residence of the Bishops of London, and in 1375, William Courtney, then Bishop obtained a licence from King Edward III to impark 300 acres of land in his maner of Wickham. The Maynard Family had a lease and they parted with it to Henry Parsons, brother of Humfrey Parsons, Alderman of London. There were many Coats of Arms in the old house. When it was demolished a neat house of brick was erected. The Bishop of London also had large woods in the parish.
Other houses in the parish include Hill-Farm alias Wickham Place, Querns and High Hall, Shoulder Hall
Gold Hall, Wolf's-Land, Jacksons, Harveys, Tyrells and Peacheys. Most of the houses in this parish are above a mile east from the Church, near Tiptree-Heath. The Parsonage House stands a full mile east of the Church, on the top of a hill, near the edge of Tiptree-Heath, from whence there is an extensive prospect. The woods Morant mentioned are opposite the houses at the top of the hill, when I saw them a few days ago, the surrounding ditches showed strong evidence of an Iron Age settlement of considerable size. For the only clue that I will give to the possible outcome listen to Christopher Cross's Best That You Can Do !!!!!
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Thank you to all contributors to this very interesting and enlightening thread...
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Thank you to all contributors to this very interesting and enlightening thread...
Yes it is. Campion certainly is very knowledgeable.
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For those of you still following that have maintained the will to live the journey' next stop is Maldon, where Jeremy appeared before the Magistrates for burglary of his own caravan site, oh and 5 counts of murder.
Maldon is one of the two ancientest towns in Essex. It is recorded in records as Maudone, Maudine, Mealdona, Meaudone, Maldun and Meldun. Some have imagined that it was the Camulodunum mentioned in Antonine's Itinerary, the Colonia Camulodunum was 52 miles from London, very nearly the measured distance from the Great City of Colchester. Whether there was a Roman settlement here Morant was unable to determine. Her was found a gold coin so valuable a treasure it was always in the keeping of the bailiffs. On it was was the heads of Nero Claudius and his Mother Agrippina; and round them, NERO CLAVD. DIVI F. CAES. AVG. GERM. IMP. TR. P. COS. On the reverse, the Emperor is represented sitting in a quadrigga ( Chariot ) drawn by four Elephants, holding in one hand a hasta pura
By him sits his mother holding a Legionary ensign; with this legend, AGRIPP. AVG. DIVI CLAVD. NERONSIS
CAES. MATER. EX S. C. Another Medal the same but in silver was found at Colchester.
The Town stands on an eminence, or side of a hill, south of the river Idumanum, or Blackwater Bay. It consists of one wide street extending from west to east, near a mile; which is crossed near the top by anther wide street; much in the same form as Colchester: From these streets branch out several lanes. On the west side of the town are the remains of a camp through the middle of which is the road to Chelmsford ( Caeseromagus ? ). On the north side there is a fine spring. Unlike Colchester it is not enclosed by walls. The Bay makes a convenient harbour for Ships, the Chelmer was navigable to Chelmsford. The first mention Morant finds for Maldon in history is 913, When King Edward the Elder came with some forces when a great part of the people submitted to him who had been under the Government of the Danes. The same King fortified the town in 920. 921 sees the return of the Danes who besieged Maeldune, till forces came to its relief and killed great numbers of the enemy. 993 and Unlaf the Dane with numerous forces attacks Maeldune and with numerous forces kills Earl Byrhtnoth who came to oppose them, peace was forced to be made with them.
At the general Survey Meldune the King had one house in it, pasture for 100 sheep and one Socheman; He also has 180 houses which the Burgess's held of him; and a Hall. Suene and his undertenant Guner had lands here, which were charged with providing a horse in the King's Army and building a Ship. Ralph Piperell and Hugh de Montfort hold lands here. St Martin's le Grand in London held an Estate under Eustace Earl of Bologne. The Manors are divided as follows, Great Maldon, Little Maldon,
Jenkins and lesser ones.
The distinction of Great and Little Maldon began about the reign of King Henry II, Great Maldon comprehends the Town, and Little Maldon Where Bilegh-Abbey stands. The Maner of Great Maldon contained what was of the King at the time of the Survey; and what escheated to the Crown upon the forfeiture of Suenes grandson, Henry de Essex. It remained chiefly with the Crown, King Stephen is said to have granted the Seigniory of Maldon to the Earl of Bologne which doth belong to the Corporation of Maldon. They also have a Court-lete and hold by Charter a Court of View of Frankpledge. de Pryers, de Bourchiers, Darcy, Parr, Devereux, all have involvement with Great Maldon. The Maner of Little Maldon is Biley- Abbey, a Roger Baynard who died 1295 held the service of one knights fee, half a knights fee came from Great Maldon. Bouchier, Earl of Essex, The Marquis of Northhampton, Viscount of Hereford being granted it by Queen Elizabeth I in 1570. The viscount of Hereford became the Earl of Essex, as were the others. The Borough of Maldon belonged like most others to the King, Robert Fitz-Richard being
its first Lord. The Charter granted by King Henry II at the request of William de Mandeville, Earl of Essex exempted the Burgess's of Maudone to have and to hold for ever their liberties and free customs, they were exempted from Aids, Amerciaments, Danegeld,Hydage Carriage, Summage, Scutage, Tallage, Stallage, Lastage and Toll in every market and fair, and at the passage of bridges and roads belonging to this Kingdom; of working at the building or repairs of Castles,Bridges, Causeways and fencing of Parks; and from all Foreign service, except finding forty days at their own expense, one Ship whenever he wanted one being first summoned by royal letters to a certain day and place. Among other ancient privileges were to common of pasture, and estovers upon Tiptre-Heath. They updated it in 1553 under Queen Mary I. There was a Priory of Carmelite or White Monks founded in 1292.
The olde and ancient custom of this borough is and has been since time of mind of man, That if a Father dies seized in a house or land within the Franchise of the Borough, the youngest son of the first wife shall have heritage. And if the first wife dies having no son or sons by her but daughters and afterwards marries another woman, and by her has a son or sons, that then the youngest son of the second wife shall have the heritage and so to the third, forth, fifth and so forth, and if no son sons but daughters, then the daughters as well as first wife, second,third,fourth etc shall have together the heritage and the youngest shall choose first according to custom. I am now going to lay down in a dark room. !!!
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Just out of interest as to whether there was a Roman settlement in Maldon. Before the ring road was constructed there was an area just the Heybridge side of the river where there was a dig a few years ago. It appears that there was a Roman settlement there. My friend's son as on the dig and discovered a near perfect Roman pot. In the church above which is the Thomas Plume library is a small display of some of the Roman pottery that was found on that dig.
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Grahame, the mere mention of the Thomas Plume Library makes me seethe with anger. As part of this research I was in there two weeks ago, when we had snow. Two women run it, the one called Susan couldn't have been more helpful, she new just the right books to use as research, the other woman who's name has been erased from my memory resembled a Rottweiler with lipstick. It is open for two hours on Tues,weds Thurs from 2 to 4pm. On the Thursday afternoon I went back to finish the notes from Thomas Tanners history of Monasteries that Susan had found, after negotiating the ice, I finally made into the library which is the upstairs bit of the church, the Rottweiler was even more hostile than the previous two afternoons and me having to justify opening a door to that old moose was to much to bare. She could have said good afternoon but instead started an interrogation about why I had gone there. I considered all options and decided I had had enough of her attitude and left, which was just as well because if I had stayed there any longer she would have turned me into a frog. Anyone planning to visit the Thomas Plume Library at Maldon is recommended to wear Hobnail Boots and make as much noise as they possibly can, if you have a set of bagpipes even better. Susan the nice one, without who's assistance the forthcoming outcome would not have been possible, because certain locations could be ruled out as occupation dates confirmed settlement was at least three hundred years to late.
This is a bit cryptic but all will be explained soon .
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Grahame, the mere mention of the Thomas Plume Library makes me seethe with anger. As part of this research I was in there two weeks ago, when we had snow. Two women run it, the one called Susan couldn't have been more helpful, she new just the right books to use as research, the other woman who's name has been erased from my memory resembled a Rottweiler with lipstick. It is open for two hours on Tues,weds Thurs from 2 to 4pm. On the Thursday afternoon I went back to finish the notes from Thomas Tanners history of Monasteries that Susan had found, after negotiating the ice, I finally made into the library which is the upstairs bit of the church, the Rottweiler was even more hostile than the previous two afternoons and me having to justify opening a door to that old moose was to much to bare. She could have said good afternoon but instead started an interrogation about why I had gone there. I considered all options and decided I had had enough of her attitude and left, which was just as well because if I had stayed there any longer she would have turned me into a frog. Anyone planning to visit the Thomas Plume Library at Maldon is recommended to wear Hobnail Boots and make as much noise as they possibly can, if you have a set of bagpipes even better. Susan the nice one, without who's assistance the forthcoming outcome would not have been possible, because certain locations could be ruled out as occupation dates confirmed settlement was at least three hundred years to late.
This is a bit cryptic but all will be explained soon .
Yes I remember you telling that. Perhaps the woman wasn't used to people reading the books? ;D
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You certainly bring a smile to this tired old face Campion. :D
Excellent posting.
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Joe Orton and his partner Kenneth Helliwel used to get books from the library and write little notes in them, and stick things on the pictures, they got into trouble for doing it, but those very books are now on display in a museum or something like that.
Helliwell killed Orton and then killed himself
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Joe Orton and his partner Kenneth Helliwel used to get books from the library and write little notes in them, and stick things on the pictures, they got into trouble for doing it, but those very books are now on display in a museum or something like that.
Helliwell killed Orton and then killed himself
Loot !
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Yes! and prick up your ears, ears is an anagram!
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Andrea is that occult shop still there in Leeds ? the one who will refuse to serve you if you treat them like a shopkeeper?
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Joe Orton and his partner Kenneth Helliwel used to get books from the library and write little notes in them, and stick things on the pictures, they got into trouble for doing it, but those very books are now on display in a museum or something like that.
Helliwell killed Orton and then killed himself
Wow! a bit harsh just for writing in library books. ???
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Andrea, were you suggesting Joe Fitz-Kenneth and Kenneth Fitz-Joe ?
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This is just a brief mention for the Hundred of Witham, which borders Thurstable and Dengey Hundreds. It was anciently called Maeldune according to Morant. It stands between 34 and 48 miles from London. This Hundred was originally with the Crown; but given by King Stephen, with the maner, to the Knights Templars; with the consent of Queen Maud, of whose patrimony and inheritance it was. In their and the Knights Hospitallers, possession, it continued till the fall of the Religious Houses, when it came to the Crown. Soon after which, by grant or purchase, it was in the family of Smyth, alias Neville, seated at Cressing; for Thomas Smyth died 10 March 1563. seized of the Half-Hundred of Witham, and his successors were possessed of the fee of the Hundred, and had the Green wax to farm it under the King. In 1749 at the Court of Exchequer William Pritteman and Edward Evelin are entered as claimants; and are the last that claimed. The fourteen Parishes in the Hundred are Witham, Cressing, Falkborne, Fairstead, White Notley, Black Notley, Terling, Hatfield-Peverall, Ulting, Brackstead Magna, Brackstead Parva, Rivenhall, Keldon and Bradwell. ( This is another Bradwell not the one previously mentioned )
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Campion are you going to write a book? I know the owners of Colchester Zoo who have two gift shops and one is very very up market and they love stuff like that, infact anything local
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Jackiepreece, The only problem with producing a book is the Publisher may choose to hold it back from circulation, everything I have written so far are facts that have been crosschecked, I have an extensive library to support what comes next. I will either be proved completely wrong with a Wiley Coyote moment, ( yes that one from roadrunner who falls off a cliff ) or somebody will plagiarise it, and take it over. As it has been published on this forum first, with times and dates to back up it provenance, the best thing might be to see what interest there is, if there is any at all. You are more than welcome to see if it does make a compelling story that people would buy into especially American's. See what feedback you can get and if it's positive we can take it to the next stage. Thank you for your interest, it really is appreciated.
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Campion Essex has this bad rep when there is in fact some beautiful areas and although I have lived in Brentwood all my life I didn't really know the areas around WHF until Keira wrote about it last year it really makes you want to visit the area. There is so much more to explore I would love to go with my friend and spend some time horseriding in the area. I have a lot of authors and publishers who follow me on twitter so I might ask them.
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Jackie thats excellent news, I think everyone is in for a bit of a shock and once they have all stopped laughing at how I've got it all wrong, and realise that the evidence does have substance and can stand up to Academic scrutiny, see if your friends want to develop it further from there, if they do then all of us will benefit from it. I will have it finished by the end of this week.
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Campion one of the most brilliant things about twitter is the really amazing people you meet on twitter you ought to go through my list and if there is anyone specific you would like to speak to I will introduce you.
I am in contact with two writers in particular that I think you would be interested in.
I came in contact with someone last May through Twitter and he is working on something massive at the moment for Jeremy that should just about swing this case to be referred for appeal.
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Amendment. Please note, where the word fees has been used in conjunction with Knights it may actually be spelt see, the same one used by the Catholic Church as in The Holy See. When used in conjunction with Knight this interpretation gains significant importance as the holder of a Knights See becomes part of Central Government, having a seat at the King's Table. It has been a tad tricky deciphering Morant's information because when he wrote his History of Essex, esses were effs, so by definition the word sucking couldn't be spelt without having a different connotation.
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Amendment. Please note, where the word fees has been used in conjunction with Knights it may actually be spelt see, the same one used by the Catholic Church as in The Holy See. When used in conjunction with Knight this interpretation gains significant importance as the holder of a Knights See becomes part of Central Government, having a seat at the King's Table. It has been a tad tricky deciphering Morant's information because when he wrote his History of Essex, esses were effs, so by definition the word sucking couldn't be spelt without having a different connotation.
Nicely put Campion. ;D
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Campion one of the most brilliant things about twitter is the really amazing people you meet on twitter you ought to go through my list and if there is anyone specific you would like to speak to I will introduce you.
I am in contact with two writers in particular that I think you would be interested in.
I came in contact with someone last May through Twitter and he is working on something massive at the moment for Jeremy that should just about swing this case to be referred for appeal.
Jack, this is a very positive development but maybe we should err on the side of caution regarding appeals being overturned or even referrals to appeal. My glass is always half empty on this case.
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Jack, this is a very positive development but maybe we should err on the side of caution regarding appeals being overturned or even referrals to appeal. My glass is always half empty on this case.
Well the submission is in (deadline 31 January 2012).
I don't believe someone can work independently of JB's legal team and hope to simply stick something new in, so Jackie's comment "he is working on something massive at the moment for Jeremy that should just about swing this case to be referred for appeal." sounds like an old carrot dangler to me!
If, as ngb points out in reply#20 in "I doubt "backspatter" phenomena would occur, with shot under chin?", the case goes to appeal then additional material not submitted by 31 Jan supporting JB' case may be added, but not until then!
If JB's appeal is refused then I guess it's start all over again :P
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Well the submission is in (deadline 31 January 2012).
I don't believe someone can work independently of JB's legal team and hope to simply stick something new in, so Jackie's comment "he is working on something massive at the moment for Jeremy that should just about swing this case to be referred for appeal." sounds like an old carrot dangler to me!
If, as ngb points out in reply#20 in "I doubt "backspatter" phenomena would occur, with shot under chin?", the case goes to appeal then additional material not submitted by 31 Jan supporting JB' case may be added, but not until then!
If JB's appeal is refused then I guess it's start all over again :P
From a defence perspective I don't think that this particular 'carrot dangler' should be discussed on the open forum. I'm not sure if it has a 'technical' link to the submissions or not. I'll leave it at that.
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Tiptre-Heath comes under the parish of Great Braxted/ Brackstead Parva, it covered an area of a thousand acres and remained the property of the King. Part of it covers Great Totham and Wickham Bishops which are directly adjacent to Brackstead Parva. The three parish boundaries conveniently meet at the summit of the biggest hill in Essex, whose significance will be addressed in due course. By an order of Council made in King Henry VIII reign, it was decreed and adjudged that all and every of the freeholders, copieholders, and inhabitants of the towns of Messing, Lyard Marney, Wygeboroughe Salcote, Tollyshunt-Knights, Tollyshunt- Darcye, Tollesburye, Goldeanger, Tolleshunt-major, Little Totham, Muche Tothame, Hebredge, Langeforde, Wikehamme, Braxted, Keldon in part and Inforde, and of Tip-treeheethe, shall have and enjoy to them, their heirs and successors and assignees Common of Pasture with all manner of Beastes and Cattells ( except Gootes ) at their pleasure without number, keeping their Hogges ringed, They also had the Estovers necessary for Fyreboote but could not use them commercially for making of bricke,tyle, lyme, pottes, nor for common Brewing to sell, nor for common Baking to sell out of their houses. There was also an ancient Silk and Spice Market where I believe goods from all over the known World could be traded even Gootes. I will never be able to look at a Goote in the same way again !!!
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There are three more parishes of importance, the final one being Tollehunt Darcy.
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From a defence perspective I don't think that this particular 'carrot dangler' should be discussed on the open forum. I'm not sure if it has a 'technical' link to the submissions or not. I'll leave it at that.
Yes, happy to leave it there.
Without any detail it's just a way of saying on the forum "I know something you don't" - very playground!!
Campion, sorry for going way off thread - but I didn't start it (to keep the playground thing going ;) )
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Yes, happy to leave it there.
Without any detail it's just a way of saying on the forum "I know something you don't" - very playground!!
I understand the point you are making. But it wasn't me who brought it up. From time to time, there are some things that the defence might not want to pre-emptively release. ngb held back from pre-empting the Guardian article, even though there had been Simon McKay tweets laying down the heavy hints that there was something in the offing.
It's possible that this kind of thing is unavoidable to a certain extent Nick.
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Jack, this is a very positive development but maybe we should err on the side of caution regarding appeals being overturned or even referrals to appeal. My glass is always half empty on this case.
I don't see the glass as half empty or half full, Rocky, I see it as cracked and leaking evidence, far, far too much evidence.
An inappropriate PII order, much abused to throw a veil of secrecy over this case. A lorry load of withheld evidence. The Chief Constable of Essex refuses to co-operate with the defence. An unfair trial, unfair Appeals, the failure of due of process and the rule of law: that's what cracked the glass for me.
Oh, and persons with a vested interest in the outcome of this case, posing on here as objective, open minded and truth seeking members of the forum, when they come here solely to look after their own interests, that's what cracked it for me too.
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I understand the point you are making. But it wasn't me who brought it up. From time to time, there are some things that the defence might not want to pre-emptively release. ngb held back from pre-empting the Guardian article, even though there had been Simon McKay tweets laying down the heavy hints that there was something in the offing.
It's possible that this kind of thing is unavoidable to a certain extent Nick.
Roch it wasn't directed at you. I just answered your post. The reference was really to Jackie!
I know this kind of thing has happened before; but to regular posters it is a frustrating way of presenting things - better to keep it mum until it can be released in full - imo!
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Campion one of the most brilliant things about twitter is the really amazing people you meet on twitter you ought to go through my list and if there is anyone specific you would like to speak to I will introduce you.
I am in contact with two writers in particular that I think you would be interested in.
I came in contact with someone last May through Twitter and he is working on something massive at the moment for Jeremy that should just about swing this case to be referred for appeal.
Don't tell them, Jackie, keep them guessing. That way it will be an even bigger surprise when it breaks. :D
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Don't tell them, Jackie, keep them guessing. That way it will be an even bigger surprise when it breaks. :D
Choch, there's no guarantee that 'it' will prove to be a 'cure all' for those seeking a defence victory. That's my point. I think in this kind of situation the less said the better, for a number of reasons.
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Don't tell them, Jackie, keep them guessing. That way it will be an even bigger surprise when it breaks. :D
I've already guessed!
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Choch, there's no guarantee that 'it' will prove to be a 'cure all' for those seeking a defence victory. That's my point. I think in this kind of situation the less said the better, for a number of reasons.
I didn't suggest that it would be a cure all, Rocky, but then I don't believe in cure alls. It will nevertheless prove very helpful to Jeremy.
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I've already guessed!
Ah, but you're wrong ...
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Ah, but you're wrong ...
Ah, but I don't think I am - I think your wrong that you think I'm wrong!!
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I didn't suggest that it would be a cure all, Rocky, but then I don't believe in cure alls. It will nevertheless prove very helpful to Jeremy.
I agree. And no disrespect to Jackie's enthusiasm but I do think Nick has a point.
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Ah, but I don't think I am - I think your wrong that you think I'm wrong!!
Prove it!
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He may well have guessed right. There are heavy clues to be had from recent memory. My inclination is to leave this well alone for now.
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Tiptre-Heath comes under the parish of Great Braxted/ Brackstead Parva, it covered an area of a thousand acres and remained the property of the King. Part of it covers Great Totham and Wickham Bishops which are directly adjacent to Brackstead Parva. The three parish boundaries conveniently meet at the summit of the biggest hill in Essex, whose significance will be addressed in due course. By an order of Council made in King Henry VIII reign, it was decreed and adjudged that all and every of the freeholders, copieholders, and inhabitants of the towns of Messing, Lyard Marney, Wygeboroughe Salcote, Tollyshunt-Knights, Tollyshunt- Darcye, Tollesburye, Goldeanger, Tolleshunt-major, Little Totham, Muche Tothame, Hebredge, Langeforde, Wikehamme, Braxted, Keldon in part and Inforde, and of Tip-treeheethe, shall have and enjoy to them, their heirs and successors and assignees Common of Pasture with all manner of Beastes and Cattells ( except Gootes ) at their pleasure without number, keeping their Hogges ringed, They also had the Estovers necessary for Fyreboote but could not use them commercially for making of bricke,tyle, lyme, pottes, nor for common Brewing to sell, nor for common Baking to sell out of their houses. There was also an ancient Silk and Spice Market where I believe goods from all over the known World could be traded even Gootes. I will never be able to look at a Goote in the same way again !!!
Lovely piece on Tiptree Heath, Campers. That silk and spice market was on what still remains of the heath and the goods were almost certainly smuggled contraband. For many centuries, Tiptree Heath was a training ground for troops, often mounted troops, which made it a wonderful place for fairs, a marketplace, a centre for smugglers, horse trading in all senses of the term and horse racing. The troops even had their own pub in a tent on the heath, The High Flyer, which was also the nickname of the jockey who ran it.
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This is stating the sucking obvious but why does a theory have to be made in under a nano second, so giving the anti Bamber camp an instant opportunity to start their incessant chiaking which then descends into nonsensical personal attacks, illustrating an amoeba like mentality. You can slag it off all you like when I finish it, in fact I hope you do because this theory is like Captain Scarlet and he was indestructible. I cannot go any quicker because being a single digit typist I my index finger is beginning to resemble ET's middle one !!!
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I have visited Essex over the years ive been to Colchester a couple of years ago to collect a ebay win, clipped the outskirts of Brentwood, visited wickfod , and the wilkes jam factory at tiptree looks worth a visit, Essex looks much like North Lincolnshire lots of farms perhaps the land here is more flatter like Boston .
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Prove it!
I have by pm with another poster!! and I don't think it's a good idea to state it on the forum for obvious reasons, as pointed out by Roch!!
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I have by pm with another poster!! and I don't think it's a good idea to state it on the forum for obvious reasons, as pointed out by Roch!!
So are you willing to share the information via pm Nick?
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So are you willing to share the information via pm Nick?
My pm'er is a trusted and long established pm'er.
No disrespect Janet, but you could simply pass it around.
Maybe you could source this info. from Jackie, Choc or Roch!
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My pm'er is a trusted and long established pm'er.
No disrespect Janet, but you could simply pass it around.
Maybe you could source this info. from Jackie, Choc or Roch!
Fair enough.
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Fair enough.
Well if its any comfort, I don't know what it is either?
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Well if its any comfort, I don't know what it is either?
;D
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No yeps yet, I've not long returned from a protest group meeting, so haven't yet had a chance to look. Will have a quick look before I nod off at me PC.
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Sorry, I should have just said 'yep!', these yeps are confusing me
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Hmmm...where to look...start at the beginning, that's always the best place.
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Yep! Aha, Forest Gate...
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Great Braxted borders Wickham Bishops and Great Totham, the three parishes meet at one of the highest points in Essex. The views are breathtaking. The name Braxted is written in records in various ways Brachesteda, Brakings, Brensted, Braxtead and Brackstead. Brack may be derived from the Saxon word Brac, an enemy, the adjoining heath a lurking place for the troublesome Danes that once infested this area. The Manor of Great Brackstead in Saxon times belonged to one of the Kings Thanes, at the time of the general survey it was the possesion of Eudo Dapiser, William of Normandy's closest aid. In the reigns of Henry II and King John it was possessed by the de Ansty family of Hertfordshire. Richard de Ansty, by Agnes his daughter of William de Sackville, had his son Hubert, who in 1199, paid for in Essex and Herfordshire, ten knights sees. His son and heir, Nicolas, in 1210 held one knights see for Brakings. He lived at his Castle in Ansty, and joined with the Barons against King John. His daughter and only heir Dionsya, married William de Montchensy, Baron of Swainscamp, Kent. His sister joan was married to William de Valence Earl of Pembroke, brother by the mothers side to King Henry III. This form of ownership then continues through marriage involving the Earls of Gloucester, Oxford and Pembroke. John de Hastings, Earl of Pembroke has the misfortune of being killed at a tournament 30 December 1389. By 1465 the manor is in the hands of the de Greys of Ruthyn, Earl of Kent. Morant describes a grievous fallout between them and the Hastings family, Edmund de Grey sells the manor for 1000 marks.
Quite how Thomas the Prior of the Hospital of St John of Jerusalem's marriage gave him title is a bit tricky to assess but by 1551, Sir Thomas Darcy of Chich St Osyth, being created Baron Darcy is possessor. The Darcy family originally from Yorkshire became the Earls of Holderness. Interestingly a Robert Darcy, being bred up to the law settled in the Maldon area in 1420 by marrying a rich widow, Alice Fitz-Langley, this is sometimes referred to as the Darcy Formula. With that amount of cunning the Darcy's were destined for a great future.
Tiptree Priory and the manor of Tiptre was for black canons, or canons of St Augustin. It existed in King Edward the Firsts reign, the Prior was known as the Tipper, his chief benefactors were the Mountchesney family. This was one of the 40 smaller Monasteries granted in 1525 to Cardinal Wolsey for the endowment of his two colleges. Upon the Cardinals attainder these reverted to the Crown. Henry VIII granted them to John Huddlestone, afterwards knighted. He alienated them to on April 1 1547 to Thomas Darcy, son of Anthony Darcy and grandson of John Darcy of Tolleshunt Darcy. Just forgot to mention this small but crucial point, John Darcy built Brack-Stead-Lodge, the seat known as Braxted Park. The remarkable Darcy dynasty through a second wife in 1558 of John Darcy's Grandson Thomas has issue Brian and Arthur. Brian was seated at Tiptre, where he built a fine house out of the ruins of the Priory, standing pleasantly on the right hand side of the road leading from Colchester to Maldon. There used to be a remarkable fair on the 25th of July.