Jeremy Bamber Forum
JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: mike tesko on January 29, 2012, 05:08:PM
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Jeremy was under surveillance by the drugs squad on evening his family died
A neighbour of Jeremy's who lived next door to him in Head Street, Goldhanger, reported Jeremy to the police in July 1985, and a drugs squad operation was mounted to find out more about his contacts and associates, some of whom turned out to be Mugfords co lodgrers in London...
This drugs squad operation was set up under a warrant which was for a 28 day duration...
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On evening of 6th August 1985, Jeremy Bamber was under surveillance by the drug squad, and therefore he has the perfect alibi and it can be proven that he was not the killer, because the police followed him back to his cottage tht evening from about 9:30pm and noted that he did not leave his cottage until just after 3:30am when he went to the farm as instructed to do so by the police...
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The contents of this drugs surveillance have been withheld under pii, but if they could be obtained it would signal the imminent release of Jeremy from these convictions and sentences...
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I know the identity of the neighbour informant, and the date in July 1985 when they informed on Jeremy to Essex police. I also know that police were camped inside the neighbours house whilst carrying out parts of the surveillance that I am talking about...
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I know the identity of the neighbour informant, and the date in July 1985 when they informed on Jeremy to Essex police. I also know that police were camped inside the neighbours house whilst carrying out parts of the surveillance that I am talking about...
Under these circumstances, how was it possible for Jeremy to snook out of his cottage and go riding on his mothers bike all the way to the farmhouse and back, without being seen or spotted by the drugs surveillance team?
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why would he be under surveillance by the drug squad.
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Jeremy was under surveillance by the drugs squad on evening his family died
A neighbour of Jeremy's who lived next door to him in Head Street, Goldhanger, reported Jeremy to the police in July 1985, and a drugs squad operation was mounted to find out more about his contacts and associates, some of whom turned out to be Mugfords co lodgrers in London...
This drugs squad operation was set up under a warrant which was for a 28 day duration...
Would they have been in car CA6 by any chance?
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why would he be under surveillance by the drug squad.
He was growing cannabis plants in his back garden, and suspected of being a small time drugs dealer who supplied druggies in london and elsewhere with a regular supply of drugs...
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Would they have been in car CA6 by any chance?
I don't know who the actual personnel were or what police vehicles were in use or what call signs they used during that surveillance, I only know that I have seen evidence that he was under a surveillance because a neighbour had grassed him up for growing cannabis in his back garden in July 1985. It could well be that the occupants of CA06 (Myall, Bews and Saxby) formed part of that surveillance on that particular occasion, or not, or they could have been on standby as part of contingency plans...
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Is this another reason that Taff Jones knew Jeremy was not the killer?
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Is this another reason that Taff Jones knew Jeremy was not the killer?
Yes, precisely this is what my informant told me about a month ago...
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Yes, precisely this is what my informant told me about a month ago...
Even to this day, relatives hadn't got a clue that Jeremy had been under surveillance by the drugs squad on the night his family were all shot and killed, and that the target for that operation had been inside 9 Head Street, Goldhanger from just before 10pm on evening of 6th August 1985, and that he did not leave until around 3:30am, the following morning...
Police know that Jeremy did not kill his family, he wasn't there, he didn't break into the farmhouse in the middle of the night and he did not shoot and kill anybody...
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Nothing withheld under PII that provides Jeremy an alibi is ever going to be released. It has probably been destroyed now anyway. But if what Mike asserts is true, why has no campaign been launched to release these records?
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Nothing withheld under PII that provides Jeremy and alibi is ever going to be released. It has probably been destroed now anyway. But if what Mike asserts is true, why has no campaign been launched to release these records?
Jeremy does not know about it...
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Even to this day, relatives hadn't got a clue that Jeremy had been under surveillance by the drugs squad on the night his family were all shot and killed, and that the target for that operation had been inside 9 Head Street, Goldhanger from just before 10pm on evening of 6th August 1985, and that he did not leave until around 3:30am, the following morning...
Police know that Jeremy did not kill his family, he wasn't there, he didn't break into the farmhouse in the middle of the night and he did not shoot and kill anybody...
So when the relatives questioned whether Sheila did it, why on earth didn't the police tell them??
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but was this round the clock surveillance.
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Jeremy does not know about it...
So you are therefore alleging that this potentially vital piece of alibi evidence has come from 'Z'?
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but was this round the clock surveillance.
Yes, including eavesdropping, and so the drugs squad would know that Jeremy really did receive the call from Ralph at whf...
Surveillance was authorized on a warrant which lasted for 28 days from the middle of July 1985...
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Yes, precisely this is what my informant told me about a month ago...
Don't know what to say!
Were EP made up from a complete set of numpties/liars or what? They must have great bleedin' pensions! Scuse my French...
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Yes, including eavesdropping, and so the drugs squad would know that Jeremy really did receive the call from Ralph at whf...
Surveillance was authorized on a warrant which lasted for 28 days from the middle of July 1985...
The warrant had to be authorized by a senior officer or the Home Secretary or someone on his behalf because the surveillance included eavesdropping (telephone tapping)...
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int hat case he would have to be doing a bit more than growing cannabis in his back garden
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int hat case he would have to be doing a bit more than growing cannabis in his back garden
Police suspected him of supplying drugs to people in London and Scotland...
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yes but for them to bother the home secretary about it he would have to be doing it on a pretty large scale.
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int hat case he would have to be doing a bit more than growing cannabis in his back garden
Jeremy's father was growing opium poppies under license in 1985. If the police received a complaint about Jeremy growing cannabis, they would presumably have paid particular attention to this complaint in view of this crop. I do not recall JM claiming that Jeremy had any designs on his father's opium crop and I would expect her to have mentioned this if it was an issue, so it wasn't. The police, however, would not have known that this was not an issue at the time.
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yes but for them to bother the home secretary about it he would have to be doing it on a pretty large scale.
I think reference to Home secretary was because to instigate a phone tap, it had something to do with the telecommunications act, or something or other, but in reality a senior officer and by this I mean of the rank, Detective Chief inspector, or Higher up, could authorise it locally and such applications never actually went to the home secretary, I could be wrong...
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Nuggy,
Civil Servants use documents that mention 'secretary of state' etc. Low level employees routinely sign official docs on behalf of officials 20 levels above them.
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I think reference to Home secretary was because to instigate a phone tap, it had something to do with the telecommunications act, or something or other, but in reality a senior officer and by this I mean of the rank, Detective Chief inspector, or Higher up, could authorise it locally and such applications never actually went to the home secretary, I could be wrong...
I do actually know a little bit about this because in the mid 1980's to the early 1990's the No.3 regional crime Squad adopted similar tactics when targetting me, they not only used surveillance cars, but also telephone taps and the force helicopter...
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So when the relatives questioned whether Sheila did it, why on earth didn't the police tell them??
I think in a round about way, that is what 'Taff' Jones was trying to tell the family when he effectively threw them out of Witham police station? I also think that was one of the reasons why 'Taff' did nothing with the silencer (2) the relatives tried to introduce with the intention of implicating Jeremy in the shootings, 'Taff' couldn't tell the relatives all he knew about the investigation because at that stage the drugs surveillance was still ongoing...
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You mentioned many years ago that Jeremy was being investigated by the drugs squad and had been put under surveillance, though you didn't know for certain whether that surveillance included the night of the killings. You also stated years ago that Jeremy was under surveillance by the drugs squad when he let himself into the farmhouse via the bathroom window (after the killings). How did you know, and did Jeremy try to get any documents related specifically to that investigation? Did Jeremy confirm (or admit) to you that he was growing some cannabis plants in his garden? If the police knew about those plants, I imagine they might well have been interested in his phone calls. Has Jeremy been told specifically that information relating to this drugs squad investigation is unavailable to him due to PII?
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I think in a round about way, that is what 'Taff' Jones was trying to tell the family when he effectively threw them out of Witham police station? I also think that was one of the reasons why 'Taff' did nothing with the silencer (2) the relatives tried to introduce with the intention of implicating Jeremy in the shootings, 'Taff' couldn't tell the relatives all he knew about the investigation because at that stage the drugs surveillance was still ongoing...
The surveillance was provisionally for 28 days, and did not conclude until mid September 1985...
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You mentioned many years ago that Jeremy was being investigated by the drugs squad and had been put under surveillance, though you didn't know for certain whether that surveillance included the night of the killings. You also stated years ago that Jeremy was under surveillance by the drugs squad when he let himself into the farmhouse via the bathroom window (after the killings). How did you know, and did Jeremy try to get any documents related specifically to that investigation? Did Jeremy confirm (or admit) to you that he was growing some cannabis plants in his garden? If the police knew about those plants, I imagine they might well have been interested in his phone calls. Has Jeremy been told specifically that information relating to this drugs squad investigation is unavailable to him due to PII?
Yes...
Jeremy knew about that part of the surveillance when he climbed into the farmhouse through the window you speak about, the drugs squad were following him as part of an observation which was part of the overall 28 day surveillance which I learned about a month ago. We did not know that he was actually under surveillance on the night of the shootings, although Jeremy and myself queried whether or not he might have been? Since that time, Jeremy has obtained copies of that part of the surveillances which took place in September 1985, but he has never asked for the earlier records because he does not know that on the evening/night of the shootings he was under surveillance by the drugs squad. I myself have only recently been told that this was the case, although I have not actually seen any evidence that what I have been told is true, I have no reason to disbelieve what I am being told...
The interesting thing about Jeremy getting into the farmhouse through the window on this occasion, came about because Jeremy had not got a key to the door and he needed to get some money from the safe I think he said in the house, so he climbed in through the window and was observed by the surveillance team. The relatives made out that it was they who introduced the route of the window for Jeremy to get into the farmhouse at the time of the shootings, but they could have got that information from the police, hence why it was not until mid September 1985 that the relatives introduced the window access and exit route to the farmhouse?
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Jeremy has previously spoken about a training exercise that took place inside whf whilst the bodies of his family were insitu, and he has identified a number of officers who were present and who took part in these exercises, it is possible that the surveillance team were amongst the unidentified officers at the scene on the morning of the shootings, and that this is/was why their identities have been glossed over...
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Yes...
Jeremy knew about that part of the surveillance when he climbed into the farmhouse through the window you speak about, the drugs squad were following him as part of an observation which was part of the overall 28 day surveillance which I learned about a month ago. We did not know that he was actually under surveillance on the night of the shootings, although Jeremy and myself queried whether or not he might have been? Since that time, Jeremy has obtained copies of that part of the surveillances which took place in September 1985, but he has never asked for the earlier records because he does not know that on the evening/night of the shootings he was under surveillance by the drugs squad. I myself have only recently been told that this was the case, although I have not actually seen any evidence that what I have been told is true, I have no reason to disbelieve what I am being told...
The interesting thing about Jeremy getting into the farmhouse through the window on this occasion, came about because Jeremy had not got a key to the door and he needed to get some money from the safe I think he said in the house, so he climbed in through the window and was observed by the surveillance team. The relatives made out that it was they who introduced the route of the window for Jeremy to get into the farmhouse at the time of the shootings, but they could have got that information from the police, hence why it was not until mid September 1985 that the relatives introduced the window access and exit route to the farmhouse?
Sorry if this sounds a stupid question Mike. But why all the cloak and dagger stuff in climbing through a window? Why didn't he just ask for the key?
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The surveillance was provisionally for 28 days, and did not conclude until mid September 1985...
That means it was either extended beyond 28 days or he wasn't under surveillance until mid August, after the killings.
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Sorry if this sounds a stupid question Mike. But why all the cloak and dagger stuff in climbing through a window? Why didn't he just ask for the key?
there was no-one at the farm, and I think he said he had left his key at his cottage, and he needed money urgently so he climbed in through the window and took some money out of the safe, I think it was wags for the farmworkers that he took the money from, but he left a note for the farm secretary stating that he had borrowed the monies and that he would put thre money back later in the day?
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That means it was either extended beyond 28 days or he wasn't under surveillance until mid August, after the killings.
I am told it got extended because of the circumstances of the investigations into the killings, which altered from SC/688/85 to SC/786/85 and the coming forward of Julie Mugford?
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I am told it got extended because of the circumstances of the investigations into the killings, which altered from SC/688/85 to SC/786/85 and the coming forward of Julie Mugford?
The extension took in the information that Mathew McDonald was the hitman who had carried out the murders and was in the pay of Bamber who had paid him £2000 to carry out the killings as alleged by Mugford...
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The extension took in the information that Mathew McDonald was the hitman who had carried out the murders and was in the pay of Bamber who had paid him £2000 to carry out the killings as alleged by Mugford...
Quirky bit of info here, the quote is by Shonapugs...
Apropos of nothing, really - months ago, when I ordered "Blood Relations" from Amazon, for some reason they sent me 2 copies. One was OK, not bad nick, but the other one is heavily annotated, and every reference to Matthew McDonald is underlined in red ink. In the back it's stamped "PW-WEARE PRISON. I've often wondered about it.
Read more: http://miscarriageofjustice.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=userrecentposts&user=shona#ixzz1ksmwkAV6
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This drugs squad operation looked at all sorts of possible links with the drugs underworld and the possibility that light aircraft were being used to dump drug hauls nearby to whf...