Jeremy Bamber Forum
JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: mike tesko on January 16, 2012, 07:45:PM
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Fundamental mistake made by COLP about who found silencer?
COLP set about trying to prove PC Bird found the silencer (DB/1) at the scene, but as we have already seen, that exhibit reference did not come into play until 17th October 1985, when DI Cook (SOC) sent a handwritten note to MDF asking him to amend the silencer reference to DB/1...
Instead...
They should have taken a closer look at DS 'Stan' Jones, since he was the one who took possession of the silencer (SBJ/1) at the scene, on 7th August 1985, along with three other exhibits, marked, SBJ/2, SBJ/3 and SBJ/4...
Cook told COLP in his interviews (1991) that none of his officers found the silencer - and this was true, since neither, DS Davidson, DC hammersley, PC Bird, or himself found the original silencer at the scene, it was found by DS Jones...
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DS 'Stan' Jones, found the orig8nal silencer (SBJ/1) at the scene on 7th August 1985, it was not found by PC Bird (DB/1), or on 10th August 1985, by David Boutflour (DRB/1). There is now overwhelming evidence that DS Jones took possession of four exhibits from the scene on 7th August 1985, without SOC actually claiming they knew nothing at all about it?
How could DS Jones, remove four exhibits (SBJ/4, SBJ/3, SBJ/2 and SBJ/1) from the crime scene on 7th August 1985, and none of the four members of SOC know anything at all about it?
Pull the other leg, it's got bells on...
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Why did COLP waste time trying to prove PC Bird found the silencer (DB/1) when that exhibit reference did not come into play until 17th October 1985, whilst a silencer bearing DS Jones identifying mark, SBJ/1, was well documented from as early as 13th August 1985?
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Why did COLP waste time trying to prove PC Bird found the silencer (DB/1) when that exhibit reference did not come into play until 17th October 1985, whilst a silencer bearing DS Jones identifying mark, SBJ/1, was well documented from as early as 13th August 1985?
If any copper found the silencer at the scene, surely it could only have been DS Jones?
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If any copper found the silencer at the scene, surely it could only have been DS Jones?
Not PC Bird...
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Not PC Bird...
Not David Boutflour, between 7th August 1985 - 9th August 1985...
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Not David Boutflour, between 7th August 1985 - 9th August 1985...
Do you have any references or links to these documents which say that it was Bird who found the silencer Mike?
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lets examine closely what police did to try and cover the tracks of DS Jones, finding the original silencer (SBJ/1) at the scene on an occasion before David Bouflour claimed to have found it in the gun cupboard on 10th August 1985?
What the exhibits officers did (once the nature of the investigation altered) was that they got rid of any reference to the three other exhibits found at the scene by DS Jones, on 7th August 1985, namely, SBJ/2, SBJ/3 and SBJ/4. For example, although reference to these existed in the original Major Incident property register, these were not carried over into the revised major Incident property register that was compiled once the nature of the investigation altered, from SC/688/85 to SC/786/85...
Why are exhibits, SBJ/2, SBJ/3 and SBJ/4 mentioned in the original MIPR, but absence from the revised one?
The only people who could omit these absent exhibits from the redrafted MIPR were SOCO, including, DI Cook, DS Davidson, DC Hammersley, and PC Bird. DS Jones could not have had these exhibits struck out himself, there had to be collusion between the SOCO's and himself to achieve this...
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Do you have any references or links to these documents which say that it was Bird who found the silencer Mike?
There are various references to this in the interviews of the SOCO's, conducted by COLP in 1991, where it is denied that PC Bird found such a silencer at the scene. Fact of the matter is, PC Bird did not find a silencer at the scene, but DS Jones did, and David Boutflour did...
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There are various references to this in the interviews of the SOCO's, conducted by COLP in 1991, where it is denied that PC Bird found such a silencer at the scene. Fact of the matter is, PC Bird did not find a silencer at the scene, but DS Jones did, and David Boutflour did...
The silencers found by Jones and Boutflour, were identical looking Parker hale silencers, but uniquely different internally, since one had 17 baffle plates, whilst the other did not, Bamber silencer only had 14 internal baffle plates due to the date of manufacture...
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Also Mr Boutflour called EP to pick up a ' silencer ' , but when they arrived he handed them a sight !! ::)
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If reference or mention of exhibit reference DB/1 was not made or introduced by DI Cook (SOC) until 17th October 1985, why were COLP trying to prove that PC Bird had found a silencer bearing that mark at the scene on 7th August 1985?
It doesn't make sense for COLP to think that, based on what we now know - they would almost certainly have known that if any police officer found a silencer at the scene, it could only have been DS Jones, because the original exhibit reference for the silencer was SBJ/1, and DS Jones had taken possession of three other exhibits from the scene at the material time, bearing identifying marks of SBJ/2, SBJ/3 and SBJ/4...
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Cook told COLP (additional source of information) that when DS Jones handed him the silencer on morning of 13th August 1985, that he originally thought DS Jones was the finder. Furthermore, when Jones had given Cook the silencer that there was no exhibit label attached to it, so what Cook did was fix a brown coloured exhibit label to it, which he marked with the identifying initials SJ \ 1. He marked the brown label accordingly, because he told COLP, he only knew DS Jones by the Christian name of 'Stan`, Stan Jones, hence - SJ...
Cook told COLP that when he got to the lab' on 13th August, how he had signed the exhibit label (SJ/1) Along with Glynis Howard, at positions two and three leaving a space at position one on the label in question for the finder of the silencer to sign later?
This original exhibit label, bearing the mark SJ/1 has disappeared off the face of the earth, and no longer exists, and has been replaced by a substitute label bearing the identifying mark of DRB/1, containing the signatures of Cook and Howard at positions two and three.
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When COLP pointed out to Cook that the exhibit label bearing his and Glynis Howards signatures did not have the identifying mark SJ/1, Cook responded by saying that he did not realize this, and he said no-one had pointed this out to him before?
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When COLP pointed out to Cook that the exhibit label bearing his and Glynis Howards signatures did not have the identifying mark SJ/1, Cook responded by saying that he did not realize this, and he said no-one had pointed this out to him before?
Cook told COLP he didn`t know where the original exhibit label was, or what had happened to it?
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According to the contents of the labs General Examination Record, dated, 13th August 1985, the silencer received at the lab' had an identifying mark of SBJ/1, yet when Glynis Howard made her statement regarding this matter she refers to the exhibit reference for the silencer as being DRB/1, which it was not, and could not possibly have been at that stage, since Cook did not send a handwritten note to MDF asking him to amend the silencer reference to DB/1, until 17th October 1985
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When COLP pointed out this discrepancy to Glynis Howard, she said she was not aware the exhibit reference (SBJ/1) had been changed, and she could not explain why she refers to her handling of the silencer on 13th August 1985, where she refers to it as DRB/1?
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When COLP pointed out this discrepancy to Glynis Howard, she said she was not aware the exhibit reference (SBJ/1) had been changed, and she could not explain why she refers to her handling of the silencer on 13th August 1985, where she refers to it as DRB/1?
The inclusion of the silencer reference as being marked DRB/1, came about because the DPP produced a composite witness statement in her name, suggesting the silencer exhibit reference was always DRB/1, when the deeper you look into this, it had other exhibit references at various stages, namely, SJ/1, SBJ/1, DB/1 and DRB/1...