Jeremy Bamber Forum
JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: mike tesko on January 05, 2012, 08:50:AM
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The claim made by the prosecution that Sheila`s body was spotlessly clean and unmarked except for two bullet wounds to her throat, was false and misleading, since she had what appeared to be bloodied smears on her right forearm and the top part of her right hand which are consistent with her being involved in a struggle with another person...
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The claim made by the prosecution that Sheila`s body was spotlessly clean and unmarked except for two bullet wounds to her throat, was false and misleading, since she had what appeared to be bloodied smears on her right forearm abd the top party of her riogjht hand which are consistent with her being involved in a struggle with another person...
Yes I saw that misleading remark in the 2002 appeal review. That her hands were "spotlessly clean". Clearly a false statement calculated to mislead any future appeal court. Photographs that were even available at the trial show that to be a totally false statement of the facts. She even had signs of a fight with scratches on her arm and at the very least blood.
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Yes I saw that misleading remark in the 2002 appeal review. That her hands were "spotlessly clean". Clearly a false statement calculated to mislead any future appeal court. Photographs that were even available at the trial show that to be a totally false statement of the facts. She even had signs of a fight with scratches on her arm and at the very least blood.
She had what appeared to be shallow gouge marks on the top part of her right hand and wrist...
These marks are consistent with someone trying to wrestle or seize control of something in Sheila 's right hand, the other bloodied smears on her right forearm appear to be linked to the marks on the top part of her hand, when another person with bloodied fingers attempted to grapple something from Sheila`s grasp?
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She had what appeared to be shallow gouge marks on the t op part of her right hand and wrist...
These marks are consistent with someone trying to wrestle or seize control of something in Sheila 's right hand, the other bloodied smears on her right forearm appear to be linked to the marks on the top part of her hand, when another person with bloodied fingers attempted to grapple something from Sheila`s grasp?
Did someone try to wrestle possession of the rifle and or ammunition from her?
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Ask yourselves if another person would go to all that trouble for the sake of trying to wrench a bible from Sheila?
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If Sheila`s left hand and fingers were clean, how could she have made the bloodied marks on the top part of Sheila`s right hand, and forearm, with the bloodied fingers of her own right hand?
Marks on the top part of her right hand, and on her right forearm were made by another person...
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Yet to be determined, is whose blood was smeared on Sheila`s right forearm?
Was it Sheila`s blood?
Was it Ralphs blood?
Was it. Junes blood?
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What significant possession did another person try to wrestle from Sheila Caffell? It must have been something of worth, not in the respect of value, but with respect of a life or death objective...
It must have been either a struggle over possession and control of the gun or ammunition, or as the case may be, the telephone...
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If Sheila`s fingers of her right hand were spotlessly clean, how did the bloodied finger mark impression get onto the front lower right part of her nightdress?
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I have received some information regarding the bloodied fingermarks on the front lower right hand side of Sheila's nightdress, which if true, has a direct bearing on the telephone call from Ralph to Jeremy from or at the scene...
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Based on information received, I am satisfied that the gouge marks on the top part of Sheila's right hand, and the bloodied smeared fingermarks on her right forearm, are linked and associated with the bloodied finger marks which are present on the front lower right of her nightdress, and that collectively, they represent evidence of a struggle between Sheila and another person, over control and possession of gun, ammunition, and phone...
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Do the presence of bloodied fingermarks on the edge of the kitchen worktop have anything at all to do with the bloodied and gouged fingermarks on the top part of Sheila's right hand, and the bloodied smeared fingermarks on her right forearm, and the bloodied fingermarks on the front right lower part of her nightdress?
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Do the presence of bloodied fingermarks on the edge of the kitchen worktop have anything at all to do with the bloodied and gouged fingermarks on the top part of Sheila's right hand, and the bloodied smeared fingermarks on her right forearm, and the bloodied fingermarks on the front right lower part of her nightdress?
The information I have received suggests that all these bloodied fingermarks are linked to the struggle which took place between Sheila and another person, over possession and control of the gun, ammunition and the telephone inside the kitchen at whf on the morning of the shootings...
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The claim made by the prosecution that Sheila`s body was spotlessly clean and unmarked except for two bullet wounds to her throat, was false and misleading, since she had what appeared to be bloodied smears on her right forearm and the top part of her right hand which are consistent with her being involved in a struggle with another person...
Those marks on her forearm certainly to have the appearance of finger marks as if someone had grabbed her with some force? (ref: ms20.jpg on the left of the photograph)
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Does anyone have any idea what caused this gap in the bloodied fionger marks?
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Those marks on her forearm certainly to have the appearance of finger marks as if someone had grabbed her with some force?
Yes, those marks were made during a struggle between Sheila and Ralph Bamber, who was trying to overpower her and prevent her from firing the gun, or loading more bullets into the gun, or as the case may be, at the time she terminated the telephone call that Ralph was making to Jeremy...
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Does anyone have any idea what caused this gap in the bloodied finger marks?
Telephone cable/lead is what caused that gap amongst the bloodied fingermarks on Sheila's nightdress - these came about when Sheila terminated the call that Ralph was making to Jeremy and it was at that time that a struggle ensued and the cable from the telephone got trapped between somebodies bloodied fingers, and the nightdress...
This is direct evidence that Sheila was in the kitchen at some point, and that she was involved in a struggle with someone who was almost certainly Ralph, around, during or immediately after Ralph made the call to Jeremy...
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So far...
The bloodied fingers that made these gouge marks, and bloodied impressions on her right forearm, and the bloodied finger marks on the front right lower part of her nightdress, appear to be consistent with Sheila having been engaged in some sort of a struggle with another person at the scene before her death...
If such a struggle took place, what are the chances of Sheila scratching and damaging that other person in some way?
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Does any evidence exist that any of the victims had such injuries which they may have sustained at the time of such a purported struggle?
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(ref: ms4.jpg) there is what seems to be blood at the base of the thumb which in turn appears to extend round onto the palm area?
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If the other person who struggled with Sheila was Ralph Bamber, were these injuries caused by Sheila fighting back?
I am interested in wound 8, for the purpose of these arguments:-
What we have here, is a wound to Ralph Bambers left arm, which would have caused blood to run down onto the fingers of his left hand. It is my suggestion that blood from this wound produced some of the bloodied/smeared fingermarks on Sheila's forearm, and the front right hand side of her nightdress, and the edge of the kitchen worktop...
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What I am saying happened is:-
Ralph made marks upon Sheila. and Sheila made marks upon Ralph, and that these injuries and marks are consistent with them having struggled and fought together over the control of the gun, ammunition and or the telephone in the kitchen at whf...
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There will be some amongst you who will try to argue that none of this is evidence, or whatever nonsense they might come up with, but the stark truth of the matter is that there are marks on Sheila, and marks on Ralph, which are consistent with them both having struggled together at some stage, and more importantly, an impression set into the bloodied finger marks on the front lower right of Sheila's nightdress of the telephone cable trapped between the bloodied fingers and the nightdress, which is capable of bringing home to fact that there was such a struggle between Ralph and Sheila, and that this struggle weas set amongst the backdrop of the shootings...
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We also have bloodied fingermarks on the pages of the bible...
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So many bloodied fingermarks, all over the place, yet for some reason Essex police do not seek to identify the person who made them, or in who's blood they were/are made in?
Think about it...
Bloodied fingermarks on Sheila's right forearm, on the top part of her right hand, on the front right lower part of her nightdress, on the edge of the kitchen worktop, and on the pages of the bible...
What is it that they didn't want us to find out about?
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The more I look at those photographs the more I believe Jeremy is innocent. There were absolutely no injuries or marks on him and as the antis like to constantly remind us. Ralph was a powerful bloke and so you would expect his assailant to have incurred some kind of injury from a struggle. And it simply is not true that Sheila had no marks on her. Her arm certainly looked bruised as if it was being held forcefully at one stage?
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To also be added to the mysterious list of strategically positioned bloodied finger marks are the ones around the upperatal entry wound under the chin?
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Looking at it from another angle, we have all the bloodied fingermarks all over the place, and not a shred of evidence to suggest they could have been made by anyone other than Ralph, June or Sheila...
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What I am saying happened is:-
Ralph made marks upon Sheila. and Sheila made marks upon Ralph, and that these injuries and marks are consistent with them having struggled and fought together over the control of the gun, ammunition and or the telephone in the kitchen at whf...
Which have been wrongly interpreted by some to have gotten there when Jeremy struggled with her. Amazing isn't it? That in one breath they say she has no marks of a struggle and in the next breath they say that the marks were made by Jeremy. Not much consistency in the anti camp is there Mike. ::)
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So far...
The bloodied fingers that made these gouge marks, and bloodied impressions on her right forearm, and the bloodied finger marks on the front right lower part of her nightdress, appear to be consistent with Sheila having been engaged in some sort of a struggle with another person at the scene before her death...
If such a struggle took place, what are the chances of Sheila scratching and damaging that other person in some way?
Furthermore...
Does any evidence exist that any of the victims had such injuries which they may have sustained at the time of such a purported struggle?
Time to kill this line as it is all wrong.
It will do no good persuing a line that does not fit at all with what is depicted as it will only distract from the truth.
There are no gouge marks on Sheila's arm. What is seen is blood trails only....and these seem to all be sourced from Sheila's bloodied palm.
The handprint on Sheila's nightdress was made be Sheila's own right hand. The gap in the print is very likely due to their being a fold/crease in the fabric when the print was made.
So there is no evidence someone inflicted injuries on Sheilas' arm so any scenario has to take account of this.
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Time to kill this line as it is all wrong.
It will do no good persuing a line that does not fit at all with what is depicted as it will only distract from the truth.
There are no gouge marks on Sheila's arm. What is seen is blood trails only....and these seem to all be sourced from Sheila's bloodied palm.
The handprint on Sheila's nightdress was made be Sheila's own right hand. The gap in the print is very likely due to their being a fold/crease in the fabric when the print was made.
So there is no evidence someone inflicted injuries on Sheilas' arm so any scenario has to take account of this.
exactly what I think Smiffy.
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exactly what I think Smiffy.
Also what I've been saying for months, yet apparently I'm the one who is lying. Pfffffft. ::)
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Also what I've been saying for months, yet apparently I'm the one who is lying. Pfffffft. ::)
Well you are ;D
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Well you are ;D
Must be, what other possible explanation is there? :P