Jeremy Bamber Forum
OFF TOPIC => General => Topic started by: andrea on October 29, 2011, 10:35:PM
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found dead at his home in roundhay leeds at 12.10 this afternoon.
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I saw on Aol tonight, very sad he will be deeply missed i will never forget clunk click every trip.
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found dead at his home in roundhay leeds at 12.10 this afternoon.
Isn't that where you live Andrea, around that area?
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I remember when he coloured one side of his hair black and the other side white and he couldn't get the colour out. ;D
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found dead at his home in roundhay leeds at 12.10 this afternoon.
Isn't that where you live Andrea, around that area?
yes i live in leeds grahame, saville was born in leeds, he lived in roundhay for years, he would have had a nice view from his flat, did you ever watch the louise theroux programme about jimmy saville?
Actually some of his family, sister i think, lives on the same estate as me.
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someone is actually printing this topic off!!
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;D ;D ;D
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sad people, tut tut ;D
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i wrote to jim l fix it asking to meet Arthur C Clarke, never got a reply.
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i wrote to him once, but i cant remeber what i asked for!! free evo stik probably ;)
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there is plenty of jim on TOTP youtube tons infact, crimbo on its way
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i wrote to jim l fix it asking to meet Arthur C Clarke, never got a reply.
Probably because Arthur C. Clarke was in Shri Lanka. ;D I used to like his writings. Back in the 60's I thought he was years ahead of his time.
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i could have gone there!, he had a black monolith in his garden bet its still there,open the pod bay doors Hal.
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there is plenty of jim on TOTP youtube tons infact, crimbo on its way
crimbo!! i love it, i still havent got round to decorating the living room yet though.
cant stop listening to more than this by roxy music.
whats weather like everywhere, warm here.
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weather in scunthorpe mild a few light showers Andrea, Roxy Music a very sound taste you have, light fading now so decorating too late you might miss a bit, got some kate bush vinyl somewhere never for ever almost certain
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i got rid of my vinyl years ago, but i still have some beatles, the greatest hits, blue double album and the red double, i paid a pound for them, but 1 has a record missing, but worth a pound just for the sleeves, i had the sex pistols on vinyl too, cant remember what happened to those, or my queen ones :(
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oh Andrea i heard band aid do they know its christmas in bhs Lincoln yesterday, just waiting for slade now might be soon im going out.
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i havent heard crimbo songs in the shops yet, plenty in my house though!
had my youtube list on this morning, need to add a few more to it yet.
i was looking for a good version of prokofievs troika, i found one!!
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ive got a 2 cd of crimbo songs from boot sale , only found it this year , ive got the cardboard 1st vhs film the snowman video tape, every time slade merry christmas everybody gets paid the now split band get royalties still , my top crimbo song jona lewie i think.
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i have the original pre cert video of bedazzled, written by peter cook, i paid 25 quid for it, it was worth about 50 quid a few years ago, would like to know what its worth now.
it starred cook/moore, raquel welch and barry humphries, good film , very funny.
hi ho hi ho, its off to work i go.
see you all later xx
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heres an interesting exchange between jimmy saville and paul merton on have I Got News For You. is it genuine? im not sure could be.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/rogerb/jokes/HIGNFY.txt
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mertol, what do you reckon to the above link?
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mertol, what do you reckon to the above link?
it was never aired, not suprisingly.
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mertol, what do you reckon to the above link?
it was never aired, not suprisingly.
quite understandable ! i wonder if clive anderson regrets now what he said to the bee gees
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he only called them tossers, they must have known what clive anderson was like beofre they agreed to the interview?
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well you would think that unless it was staged surely this JS stuff not correct
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there were rumours years ago, again i dont know how true it is.
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there were rumours years ago, again i dont know how true it is.
that carry on guy he was sordid and a boozer
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What carry on guy? charles hawtrey?
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no one turned up at his funeral, a nurse asked him for a autograph in his last days and he went crazy shouting at her,
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nobody turned up at savilles funeral? really, thats quite sad.
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hawtrey
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he died broke didnt he. the smiths had a pic of hawtrey on one of their albums i think.
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the smiths yes i remember, im only going what i read on web about him its not good, says he got caught with boys in a beachut , brighton i think.
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yeah, he was in the habit of taking young sailors home.
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I would like to think js was ok , attendance of stars funerals often give you a pointer. my favourite late actor klaus kinski same again only 1 mourner director werner hertzog
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Did you know that saville wants burying at an angle so hes looking out to sea? hes going to be practically stood up in that grave, bit freaky!
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yes i read earlier today, his this is your life book will be in the coffin with a beret i think, im hitting the sack Andrea so might see you on saturday eve ,
nite nite champ xx getting like the waltons ending !
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nite john boy ! xx
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The funeral is next Wednesday, his coffin has been on display at the Queens Hotel .
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Yes i know, i wont be filing past the coffin though.
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Best to remember i think.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFtb3EtjEic&list=PL03D621F2F295C3B2&index=8&feature=plpp_video
im sure i did a xmas song thread
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFtb3EtjEic&list=PL03D621F2F295C3B2&index=8&feature=plpp_video
im sure i did a xmas song thread
i get the feeling you love crimbo Andrea i will try too a bit more this year
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I love it!! best time of the year.
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I love it!! best time of the year.
I cant promise , but it might snow in time,will be back on after tea and a columbo story .
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Oh no!!, not Columbo me mam loves it, i get ignored when columbo comes on ;)
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Oh no!!, not Columbo me mam loves it, i get ignored when columbo comes on ;)
if you join your mum and watch the scruffy sod Lt Columbo you might just get hooked !! go on give it a try , dont knock it till you tried ! my iceland chicken fried rice awaits.
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I have watched it mertol, im just not addicted like me mother ;)
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rest in peace Jimmy , now awz about that ladies and gentlemen.
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A friend of mine went down the queens today, to file past the wooden overcoat. Hes going to be buried at angle so hes looking over the sea at scarborough.
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hi Andrea, i saw a tribute live on look north, i read he had property there.
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Hes had property there for years mert, all his mothers belongings are still in that flat, even her clothes which he had dry cleanes once a yr.
He was quite a strange bloke, raised massive amounts for charity like.
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Hes had property there for years mert, all his mothers belongings are still in that flat, even her clothes which he had dry cleanes once a yr.
He was quite a strange bloke, raised massive amounts for charity like.
He did Andrea a lot of work, i never met him but he will be missed .
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Did you ever watch the louise theroux proramme on saville?
Im on iphone excuse the typos and missing letters, my laptop decided not to work anymore!! Gutted!!!
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Louie not louise! Think i spelt louie right? Then again it dont look right.
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Louie not louise! Think i spelt louie right? Then again it dont look right.
Yes i have a vhs boxset im sure Jimmy is on one tape, i will chech , Jimmy was good on TOTP never boring, im no expert on fixing laptops but have brought some back to life, can you describe what happened.
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Its taking ages to start up, it asks if i want to start in safe mode, but i cant access anything when i do, and it keeps turning its self off, its driving me mad.
Its a Toshiba Satelite
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im on now a toshiba satelitte a L500=1ZC have you a model number
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L300 i dont know the rest
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Andrea i think your laptop will be a bit like mine, there are 2 things you can do, return the laptop to the best known ok working time, or wipe the hardrive, but the 2nd one is only really done as long as you save current dats 1st, unless there is nothing you will miss beforehand, you would loose anti virus unless you have a cd with it on, these laptops have built in recovery sections but once you start it there is no turning back. you can still use a computer in safe mode but you are limited to its use i had this trouble once, how long have you had the laptop and have you the user guide.
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Ive had it about three years
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about a year than mine i bought from toys r us, is this the one ?
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Aye looks like it
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your laptop is not finished , rather than wipe the hardrive clean, it might be best to return to the last known working time , when did it go like this
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hi Andrea, my battery went flat last night, did you manage to sort your lappy
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Nah, i dont have a clue whats up with it mertol. Ill get another after christmas.
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if you have nothing on it you are not going to miss you can wipe the hardrive .
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I have nothing on it that i cant get back, the bloody thing starts then freezes or turns itself off.
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when i wipe my hardrive i turn laptop on and keep pressing F10 key, from there i click sysiem recovery it takes 20-25 mins, takes laptop to factory shipped state. it might be a different key for L 300
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its F8
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Ive done system recovery, made no difference.
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what is your operating system
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Vista home premium
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you may have the problem i had , it was a driver issue rather than the hardrive gone, so i bought a laptop on ebay and changed the hardrive and it all worked ok, if you can boot up to the logo windoes vista p im thinking its a driver issue, can be cheap to sort mind,
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I was looking back at this thread and at the time there was genuine sorrow about his death, following the events of the last few weeks all this looks obsolete now, Andrea is from Leeds so i can only think the people there will have changed their view on jimmy saville , the news that his memorial was removed this week at night speaks volumes, its as if he has been erased from the earth , any input anyone ?
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reading the tributes to him at the time can be rather amuseing.
one of says jimmy you touched so many people.
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His coffin was at the Queens Hotel in Leeds before his funeral, so you could say goodbye, ive read his coffin is encased in concrete , did he know the coming storm ?
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maybe that was to stop him getting out.
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Did you ever watch the louise theroux proramme on saville?
Im on iphone excuse the typos and missing letters, my laptop decided not to work anymore!! Gutted!!!
Prophetic.
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i read another tribute saying jimmy you were a one off.
that's certainly true.
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I was told today that there is talk of removing his body. Has anybody heard anything about it?
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I was told today that there is talk of removing his body. Has anybody heard anything about it?
Really? :o For what purpose? :-\
Didn't they encase it in concrete. :-\
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to burn it and bury it the crossroads maybe.
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Should be on tonights Look North any moment now, i can see his casket ripped out and vandalised if it stays there, i guess to preserve dignity for the other deceased it may be removed,
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stick a stake through his heart for good measure.
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Wow! if he hears what you lot are saying it would kill him.
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well i felt abused by him and i only saw him on the telly.
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I heard of wanting his knighthood revoked, just how final will it get, the bbc have a lot of explaining to do.
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well i felt abused by him and i only saw him on the telly.
My sentiments too nugnug :o :o
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Really? :o For what purpose? :-\
Didn't they encase it in concrete. :-\
Sorry, I should have said "remove the coffin, (with his body in it,) from the cemetry"
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Sorry, I should have said "remove the coffin, (with his body in it,) from the cemetry"
Where to April, any suggestions as to where they should put it? :-\ :-\
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A task not easy to do, its finding a cemetery that will accept the coffin, a long legal task as you just cant dig him up he was buried at an angle so he could see the sea i think a burial at sea would be the best it eliminates any future memorial vandalism.
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its funny how things can change in a couple of weeks 2 or 3 weeks ago there would of been outrage if anyone touched a memorial to him.
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A task not easy to do, its finding a cemetery that will accept the coffin, a long legal task as you just cant dig him up he was buried at an angle so he could see the sea i think a burial at sea would be the best it eliminates any future memorial vandalism.
And he wouldn't just see the sea, mertol he would be in it.....Perfect!! ;D ;D
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And he wouldn't just see the sea, mertol he would be in it.....Perfect!! ;D ;D
And of course the concrete will make that very much easier..
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you know what he would say he was alive today.
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And of course the concrete will make that very much easier..
Yes bridget, it's like he had a premonition. ;D ;D Could build a block of flats over him....that's another possibility?? :-\ :-\
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A task not easy to do, its finding a cemetery that will accept the coffin, a long legal task as you just cant dig him up he was buried at an angle so he could see the sea i think a burial at sea would be the best it eliminates any future memorial vandalism.
Mertol, that sounds perfect. What a brilliant idea :) :) :)
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Yes bridget, it's like he had a premonition. ;D ;D Could build a block of flats over him....that's another possibility?? :-\ :-\
Do you mean use him as hard core?
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Sorry, I should have said "remove the coffin, (with his body in it,) from the cemetry"
Well it's the same thing, that's what I thought you meant, just seems a lot of effort, unless it is at the request of the cemetary, if they have that authority. :-\
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Yes bridget, it's like he had a premonition. ;D ;D Could build a block of flats over him....that's another possibility?? :-\ :-\
Well he does share a slogan with a certain builder.
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Well it's the same thing, that's what I thought you meant, just seems a lot of effort, unless it is at the request of the cemetary, if they have that authority. :-\
I agree. Is he worth that effort? But with more and more cases coming to light, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the grave site had been vandalized, so moving him may be the best option. A discreet cremation, perhaps?
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I agree. Is he worth that effort? But with more and more cases coming to light, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the grave site had been vandalized, so moving him may be the best option. A discreet cremation, perhaps?
I suppose it can't be very pleasant for people who have loved ones in the same cemetary. Perhaps a discreet crem is the best option.
Obviously subject to the investigation, although it looks a foregone conclusion.
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They encased SaVILE's coffin in concrete, to stop grave robbers who may have thought he was buried with his jewellery.
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I suppose it can't be very pleasant for people who have loved ones in the same cemetary. Perhaps a discreet crem is the best option.
Obviously subject to the investigation, although it looks a foregone conclusion.
Indeed it does, and thankfully, what there seems to be an absence of, thus far, is hoax claims. It also appears that in most cases the MO was the same.
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i wouldnt be suprised if there where a few hoax claims included.
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They encased SaVILE's coffin in concrete, to stop grave robbers who may have thought he was buried with his jewellery.
Evening Andi :)
Was that the families decision or something he requested?
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They encased SaVILE's coffin in concrete, to stop grave robbers who may have thought he was buried with his jewellery.
The way things are going andrea dont be suprised if someone tries too.
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Do you mean use him as hard core?
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i wouldnt be suprised if there where a few hoax claims included.
I guess sickies get everywhere nugs.
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Evening Andi :)
Was that the families decision or something he requested?
Hi Bridget ;D
Not sure who requested that. I think they should exhume him and cremate him.
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The way things are going andrea dont be suprised if someone tries too.
They managed to do Benny Hills grave, mertol. they actually got the coffin lid off and exposed the body bag, they were disturbed by security and made off.
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They managed to do Benny Hills grave, mertol. they actually got the coffin lid off and exposed the body bag, they were disturbed by security and made off.
Burke and Hare in the modern day, the danger is if other headstones get damaged if any attempt is made to get into savills grave andrea, headstones cost a fortune to repair almost certain removed in the 1st instance causing instant grief, what about his place in Roundhay ? is that safe ?
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I havent got a clue if its safe, mertol. I would imagine there will be someone there looking after it.
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I havent got a clue if its safe, mertol. I would imagine there will be someone there looking after it.
Have your local papers being covering this andrea, its in the mirror daily
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The Yorkshire Evening post and Yorkshire Post will both cover the story, i havent read either yet.
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The Yorkshire Evening post and Yorkshire Post will both cover the story, i havent read either yet.
BBC are the ones to go for now no shoving under the carpet my views on saville are changed now yet in the 70s he seemed a little crazy but had a huge audience
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Do you mean use him as hard core?
Very witty Bridget. Very witty. ;D
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And of course the concrete will make that very much easier..
Concrete shoes!
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if you go on wiki and see how he started he did so much, i dont have kids but i read in todays mirror nurses telling kids to pretend to be asleep when he visits rocked me, i was thinking of Leeds L.G.I and other hospitals not just in Leeds but elsewhere if this was the case also, he has left one hell of a mess behind.
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if you go on wiki and see how he started he did so much, i dont have kids but i read in todays mirror nurses telling kids to pretend to be asleep when he visits rocked me, i was thinking of Leeds L.G.I and other hospitals not just in Leeds but elsewhere if this was the case also, he has left one hell of a mess behind.
I can't even read about the monster,Mertol. It sickens me. There are few more that will rear their ugly heads before the year's out. Sandy Toksvig has yet to open up.
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who knows where this investigation will lead it could lead anywhere.
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who knows where this investigation will lead it could lead anywhere.
It will,nugs.In the words of Neville Bamber," it'll all come out in the wash.".
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There needs to be no stone left unturned right now i could not care less if the bbc shuts down you can live without it, they are the ones to investigate even more in todays paper i actually feel sorry for those deceased sharing the cemetery with him even death has dignity.
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it could lead to youth clubs special schools who knows.
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There needs to be no stone left unturned right now i could not care less if the bbc shuts down you can live without it, they are the ones to investigate even more in todays paper i actually feel sorry for those deceased sharing the cemetery with him even death has dignity.
Of course,Mertol.You tend to forget the good people who have to share the hallowed ground.
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The thought of that man and what he has done makes me feel sick inside. Even though I am angry and feel for the victims, I don't believe in violence and destruction...I say let him be stripped of his honours and let the courts decide on what happens next..... >:(
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Of course,Mertol.You tend to forget the good people who have to share the hallowed ground.
I think andrea might be right , get him out of the cemetery and have cremation or a private re burial somewhere else if they will take him, one bloody big mess this man has caused.
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The thought of that man and what he has done makes me feel sick inside. Even though I am angry and feel for the victims, I don't believe in violence and destruction...I say let him be stripped of his honours and let the courts decide on what happens next..... >:(
i agree patti, i was thinking of all those charaties he raised funds for how they feel now, bleak times for the people of Leeds the claims keep coming in daily.
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i agree patti, i was thinking of all those charaties he raised funds for how they feel now, bleak times for the people of Leeds the claims keep coming in daily.
Mertol:)
Sex under age happens we all know that. Young girls fall pregnant and young father deserts.....neither are brought to justice for having under age sex.
But this is different, he was twice their age and it makes me feel sick, that he hid behind his celebrity image. Not one but over 20 if not more people have come forward to tell their stories of abuse.
Most people will ask why? why Now? Well, it is because they were afraid to come forward in case no one believed them. But, when MWT exposed it nationally for the first time, it then made it possible for those who had been abused years ago, to come forward.
I don't think we have heard the last of it either....I think more celebrities will be named and those in power.....
Too push your tongue down a disabled child's throat makes me gip......
What we must remember is that they thought they were the only one, so said nothing......
But some did speak out and they were ignored.....Shame on those that ignored them.... :( :( :(
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Mertol:)
Sex under age happens we all know that. Young girls fall pregnant and young father deserts.....neither are brought to justice for having under age sex.
But this is different, he was twice their age and it makes me feel sick, that he hid behind his celebrity image. Not one but over 20 if not more people have come forward to tell their stories of abuse.
Most people will ask why? why Now? Well, it is because they were afraid to come forward in case no one believed them. But, when MWT exposed it nationally for the first time, it then made it possible for those who had been abused years ago, to come forward.
I don't think we have heard the last of it either....I think more celebrities will be named and those in power.....
Too push your tongue down a disabled child's throat makes me gip......
What we must remember is that they thought they were the only one, so said nothing......
But some did speak out and they were ignored.....Shame on those that ignored them.... :( :( :(
the number is now 40 about the claims patti.
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I can't even read about the monster,Mertol. It sickens me. There are few more that will rear their ugly heads before the year's out. Sandy Toksvig has yet to open up.
Saville was a sick paedophile predator, one of his 1st victims was my friends sister..at a boarding school, he and others (all part of the ring inc the staff at the school) were all involved, my friends sister was beaten and locked in a dark room for 2 days for complaining of his abuse..the staff would line all the girls up when he and his paedo associates came and they wld pick who they were going to abuse and take to adult parties..it makes me sick to my stomache..and yes the bbc knew all about it..i knew before the story broke..freddie starr is also part of the ring and many more..sir elton john must be shaking in his his boots right now too..
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Saville was a sick paedophile predator, one of his 1st victims was my friends sister..at a boarding school, he and others (all part of the ring inc the staff at the school) were all involved, my friends sister was beaten and locked in a dark room for 2 days for complaining of his abuse..the staff would line all the girls up when he and his paedo associates came and they wld pick who they were going to abuse and take to adult parties..it makes me sick to my stomache..and yes the bbc knew all about it..i knew before the story broke..freddie starr is also part of the ring and many more..sir elton john must be shaking in his his boots right now too..
Maybe now is the time for victims of these paedophile rings to speak out. Not easy to do, though, I know.
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I will be in Leeds tomorrow picking up a cycle , i will buy the local, i read last weekend saville was on a cruise and he abused a 14 yr old girl, the captain locked him in his cabin and for the rest of the cruise he had his meals there, he was thrown off at Gibraltar, perhaps its best he is not alive .
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I was about 14 at the time.
A friend and I often visited 'Saxaphone Jones'.......from the Gary Glitter Band. Jones was a nice, decent man whom we had known for years.
My friend and I were offered to go see The Glitter Band when they played in Liverpool. My friend went, I was not allowed to go.
I saw her the next day.
She was invited to go with Glitter back to his room. This she did. She was only about 14 too......and a virgin. When we spoke she told me she could not remember much at all about the evening. This is late 70's. At fourteen years of age she tried to explain to me how she felt she must have been drugged......and during this 'comatoze state', she was raped!!
Of course, I did not believe her for one second. She often flirted and was one for seeking attention.......
Some years ago Glitters name became front page news, for the WRONG reasons.....I distinctly recall our conversation......and how she had tried again to have me believe her. Her parents also asked me about it........Suzie was also known for lying.......I tried to assure her parents she was once again lying, for attention!!
How wrong I was........and how I remember her every time another paedo is exposed, cos I let her down.
I've often wondered if she were ever able to report it......
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Due to milk teeth at various stages, I used to call him Jimmy Saddle. It does seem astounding that he successfully brushed aside concerns. Does anyone else wonder if his charity work was his own twisted mechanism of 'balancing' the good and evil in him self?
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Due to milk teeth at various stages, I used to call him Jimmy Saddle. It does seem astounding that he successfully brushed aside concerns. Does anyone else wonder if his charity work was his own twisted mechanism of 'balancing' the good and evil in him self?
I think so, Roch. There is talk of Necrophillia too, he used to wheel corpses to the Morgue in the LGI.
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Due to milk teeth at various stages, I used to call him Jimmy Saddle. It does seem astounding that he successfully brushed aside concerns. Does anyone else wonder if his charity work was his own twisted mechanism of 'balancing' the good and evil in him self?
I agree Roch ... I'm appalled at what is coming out about this man now but I'm even more appalled at the amount of people who knew what was going on yet did NOTHING!!! ... except turn their back on the victims when they needed them most!!
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I think so, Roch. There is talk of Necrophillia too, he used to wheel corpses to the Morgue in the LGI.
Necrophillia seems to be a rumour around him. There may not be any truth in it. It's certainly a pretty heavy pastime :o
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I agree Roch ... I'm appalled at what is coming out about this man now but I'm even more appalled at the amount of people who knew what was going on yet did NOTHING!!! ... except turn their back on the victims when they needed them most!!
Annie, perhaps one of the reasons that nothing was done, is because until now, when everybody knows, back then, each individual who knew, probably thought it was an isolated incident which couldn't be proved and didn't want their own name dragged though mud for having bought into disrepute a "sainted" celebrity whose philanthropy was renown. If they had known that they were not alone with this terrible knowledge and would have been supported by many others with the same knowledge, maybe it would have come to light sooner.
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As of last week saville collectables were fetching crazy prices on ebay , why is beyond me , i think like him back then had more clout over tv bosses because ratings wars dont mean much today Sky and cable killed that , this is pre channel 4 era, his charity work airbrushed anything else, yet for the likes of Bob Monkhouse , not everyones cup of tea back then also did so much for charity and ive never heard anything bad about him,exept in savills case he has no end of his work as he has gone for him his death was a blessing it seems, as to andreas point at L.G.I. i bet they are trying to forget he ever was there at all,
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I'm beginning to wonder if JS was actually telling the truth when he told Louis Theroux that he'd told a policeman that if charges were bought against him he'd take down with him half the inhabitants of the police station.
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It must have been a couple of years ago at a boot sale i bought the vhs boxset of louis theroux , time to watch it again, in the papers today saville liked spending time with the dead, lucky he is not around .
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It must have been a couple of years ago at a boot sale i bought the vhs boxset of louis theroux , time to watch it again, in the papers today saville liked spending time with the dead, lucky he is not around .
S'il y avait un trou, il serait le piquer!!!!!
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Due to milk teeth at various stages, I used to call him Jimmy Saddle. It does seem astounding that he successfully brushed aside concerns. Does anyone else wonder if his charity work was his own twisted mechanism of 'balancing' the good and evil in him self?
My partner made the same point this afternoon. Was the charity work some kind of karma?
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Morning Roch/vidvic
I think Saville's charity work enabled him to get away with his evil deeds I don't think the two were connected at the onset. I honestly don't think he was of the opinion that the charity work compensated for his evil ways as he would not see his ways as evil just a desire. Hope I am making sense .
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My partner made the same point this afternoon. Was the charity work some kind of karma?
Morning Roch/vidvic
I think Saville's charity work enabled him to get away with his evil deeds I don't think the two were connected at the onset. I honestly don't think he was of the opinion that the charity work compensated for his evil ways as he would not see his ways as evil just a desire. Hope I am making sense .
Maybe it was both. Re the charities & hospitals, maybe he got some kind of karmic reassurance for his own peace of mind while also gaining access to his victims. Then again, he doesn't strike me as somebody who was in turmoil. So Susan, you could be right.
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Maybe it was both. Re the charities & hospitals, maybe he got some kind of karmic reassurance for his own peace of mind while also gaining access to his victims. Then again, he doesn't strike me as somebody who was in turmoil. So Susan, you could be right.
He probably thought himself to be such an amazingly good person that his victims were lucky to be chosen by him.
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Hi Roch
I think as he became more popular due to raising money for charity he had an ulterior motive for the hospital charity work it was easy access to prey on innocent vunerable young girls which he thought was his right as he was being allowed to get away with it disgusting individual. I wonder was this behaviour in the genes!!!!
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How interesting, that this has only been fully exposed after his death and that the BBC both pulled the plug on an investigation that was being made as the same time as a tribute program! And that they initially tried to deny having knowledge by issuing a statement that they were "shocked" by the revelations. Does anybody actually believe that the BBC hierarchy were not aware of serious allegations stretching back 40 years, involving numerous occasions where there had been dressing room incidents etc?
What does all this tell you about how we do things in this country? Is there not a culture of trying to bury scandal, deny its' existance, making false claims about not having any prior knowledge etc etc?
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Morning Bridget
You could have a point as he always appeared full of himself I personally could never understand how he was so popular I thought him an odd sort of person with no talent whatsoever he was just a total loud creep.
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Morning Bridget
You could have a point as he always appeared full of himself I personally could never understand how he was so popular I thought him an odd sort of person with no talent whatsoever he was just a total loud creep.
That's exactly what I thought of him too.
How interesting, that this has only been fully exposed after his death and that the BBC both pulled the plug on an investigation that was being made as the same time as a tribute program! And that they initially tried to deny having knowledge by issuing a statement that they were "shocked" by the revelations. Does anybody actually believe that the BBC hierarchy were not aware of serious allegations stretching back 40 years, involving numerous occasions where there had been dressing room incidents etc?
What does all this tell you about how we do things in this country? Is there not a culture of trying to bury scandal, deny its' existance, making false claims about not having any prior knowledge etc etc?
I think it tells us that the 1970's / 1980's were a very different time, and in the 1980's no one envisaged the power that the media and the internet would later have. One of the main features of the Savile situation is that none of the victims knew about any of the others, they were isolated and that played a big part in keeping them quiet, and also made it so much easier for the BBC to turn a blind eye. Nowadays something like this would be all over Twitter within 5 minutes of it happening.
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It does not matter how long it takes but the truth will always come out.
Truly evil people and their lies will eventually be exposed and they will lose everything including their credibility.
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It does not matter how long it takes but the truth will always come out.
Truly evil people and their lies will eventually be exposed and they will lose everything including their credibility.
Hi simon, I believe that Jimmy Saville is a perfect example of how a successful psychopath behaves.....the public personna and the private evil bullying thug.
Jeremy never exhibitted these traits. He was what he appeared to be human with different characteristics like most people. He didnt have a hidden, power mad, controlling life which is characteristic of psychopaths.J JS's hid his real self behind the 'mask of sanity' imo
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That's exactly what I thought of him too.
I think it tells us that the 1970's / 1980's were a very different time, and in the 1980's no one envisaged the power that the media and the internet would later have. One of the main features of the Savile situation is that none of the victims knew about any of the others, they were isolated and that played a big part in keeping them quiet, and also made it so much easier for the BBC to turn a blind eye. Nowadays something like this would be all over Twitter within 5 minutes of it happening.
There were many factors that separate the 70's and 80's from 2012. The whole social structure was different and was guided by society's changing standards. In one way you cannot judge the moral standards of those days by moral standards of today. Those days were as different morally as the Victorians were to the 70's and 80's. And you will forgive me (because I know for sure that my words are going to be misunderstood when I say what I am going to say) but the present day can be characterised, partly because of the social networking craze by self righteousness.
The attitude that says, "I would never do that kind of thing myself". or "That person is so morally corrupt. Not like me. I thank you God that I am not like other men. Murderers and thieves" etc. There is in other words a shock within us as we judge the wicked deeds of other people which thinks that just because we don't commit the same wicked deeds as some others, that we are free of the stain of their evil ways. Whilst at the same time we don't think of the things we have done within our own minds. Such as internet abuse where we hold others up to ridicule and stalk them from afar. Whilst knowing absolutely nothing at all about that person.
Then we have the gaul to judge men like Jimmy Savile and other perverts. When in our own minds we ourselves are guilty of other offences equally as bad in a different way to them?
So in a way the only qualifications we have in condemning those in the 70's and 80's are the moral standards of today. Which, strangely enough are in some ways far more perverted than those in that era. My friend said to me in my younger days, "Tell you what. Live an entirely perfect life and then criticise everyone else". Of course that is an impossibility for me to do.
What I am saying basically is you cannot criticise those of the 70's and 80's until the understand those who lived in those days. The great "sexual" revolution was still in its infancy and people did what they wanted basically. I just cannot wait for 50 years to go by (I shan't be here of course) and then look back at the corruption of this generation. No doubt the people of the next generation and the generation after that will judge us with equal vehemence morally.
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Morning Roch/vidvic
I think Saville's charity work enabled him to get away with his evil deeds I don't think the two were connected at the onset. I honestly don't think he was of the opinion that the charity work compensated for his evil ways as he would not see his ways as evil just a desire. Hope I am making sense .
Susan, it makes perfect sense to me. I have a gay friend who was "introduced" to his lifestyle in 1960 when he was 14. His "mentor" was a much older man, a Harley Street doctor in his 30s. He took my friend to art galleries, to the opera, fine restuarants. He made friends with his mother, who was naturally overwhelmed that this fine man should take such an interest in her son and of course was very grateful for his financial support.
Logic says that what this man did amounts to child abuse, but my friend never saw it that way. He looked up to and admired him. My friend was never going to be hetrosexual and says to this day that nothing happened that he didn't want to happen, and he felt looked after and cared for. They were together until my friend grew old enough to cease to be of interest. Clearly this man's taste was for the VERY young.
When it comes to filth like JS abusing underage girls, however distasteful we find it, it must be remembered that in other cultures, girls who have probably had to submit to female castration when the were little more than babies, are married off as soon as they start menstruating, which could be as young as 10, they are then forced to have legal sex on a regular basis with their husbands, who may well be in their 60s or 70s. Clearly these mens' tastes are for the VERY young.
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How interesting, that this has only been fully exposed after his death and that the BBC both pulled the plug on an investigation that was being made as the same time as a tribute program! And that they initially tried to deny having knowledge by issuing a statement that they were "shocked" by the revelations. Does anybody actually believe that the BBC hierarchy were not aware of serious allegations stretching back 40 years, involving numerous occasions where there had been dressing room incidents etc?
What does all this tell you about how we do things in this country? Is there not a culture of trying to bury scandal, deny its' existance, making false claims about not having any prior knowledge etc etc?
I think we have to look at this through the eyes of the men who "operated" in the 60/70s. The mini skirt was reaching ever dizzier heights. The Pill was available, What 14yr old EVER went out looking less than 17? Dressing in a certain way to visit certain venues gave the message that they were up for it. It was no good screaming that they were only 14 when earlier on they'd said they were 18 to get into the place. Not for one moment am I condoning sexual abuse. I'm looking at the messages that were being sent. Sadly, whilst it may have looked to the contrary, back in the 60s, a 14yr old virgin would probably have had little idea of what she seemed to be asking for until after she got it, by which time it would have been too late for her to change her mind.
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Bill Wyman was in a relaitionship with a thirteen year old girl Mandy Smith, The Rolling Stones didnt say please don't leave the Band, If someone else did that and wasn't so rich they wouldn't be called a Sugar Daddy they would be doing time for being a Perv. Lets get this right Jolly Jim was abuse Cub Scouts and Brownies.....
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as i far as i can recall it wasn't any more acceptable to molest kids in the 70s any more than it is now.
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as i far as i can recall it wasn't any more acceptable to molest kids in the 70s any more than it is now.
I couldn't agree more here nugnug and I am surprised at the apologetic stance resonating throughout these last few posts on this topic. It wasn't right then and Saville knew that, he flaunted it but he knew he was doing wrong. I think it was to show his power over everyone else in that he could do so without reproach and he used that as a guide to the power he had. The fundamentals of human nature don't change but its obvious from some of the replies that the outlook does. We now struggle to try and understand these people, we live in a time when I feel people find the strength to come out and tell what happened to them back in the 60/70's from many different sourse's and I don't feel it was more prevelent back then as it is even now simply because of things like mini skirts and such, the things young ladies wear now are far more revealing and they know just what there doing but they know also just what is wrong and how to deal with it.
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It all boils down to how loud money talks.! And boy does it shout.
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I couldn't agree more here nugnug and I am surprised at the apologetic stance resonating throughout these last few posts on this topic. It wasn't right then and Saville knew that, he flaunted it but he knew he was doing wrong. I think it was to show his power over everyone else in that he could do so without reproach and he used that as a guide to the power he had. The fundamentals of human nature don't change but its obvious from some of the replies that the outlook does. We now struggle to try and understand these people, we live in a time when I feel people find the strength to come out and tell what happened to them back in the 60/70's from many different sourse's and I don't feel it was more prevelent back then as it is even now simply because of things like mini skirts and such, the things young ladies wear now are far more revealing and they know just what there doing but they know also just what is wrong and how to deal with it.
If you had read my post correctly you will see that it was in no way "apologetic" towards the 70's and 80's. That was not what I was doing. Do I have to spell everything out to those of you who cannot understand my sentance construction. I admid that I branch out in various directions. But always come back to my train of thought.
No child abuse and paedophilia was not acceptable in the 70's and 80's. But the toleration of it was. The main point I was making is that this present age in which we live is a sarned site more perverted that in that era. People seem so tolerant of internet abuse today for instance and some of the character assination that goes on today to my mind is almost unforgivable that those people who make it their career to abuse people on the internet can in no way condemn those of yesteryear until they have cleansed their own houses.
The very fact that this is all coming out now is because it was hidden up in those days indicates that it was tolerated then. Just as many things that are covered up today will no doubt be condemned in years to come. It is then that we may just see that we ain't much better than those in the 70's and 80's.
One good thing that has come out of this is the fact that it seems to have given women the courage that didn't have before to come forward and report their own abuse to the police. Because now there is a chance that they will be taken seriously. Whereas in the 70's and 80's they would probably have been ridiculed if they had brought such accusations against any of these influential people.
So please do not accuse me of being "apologetic" towards those in the 70's and 80's. I was very young myself in those days. Because I will never excuse wickedness of any kind.
But at the same time I feel that we should avoid this kind of self righteousness that whilst condemns others, conveniently excuses our own wrong doings and indeed are actually blind to our own faults.
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Mark Williams Thomas ....You will get a knock at the door. Mark looks very tired on this video... http://www.itv.com/news/update/2012-10-26/savile-case-a-watershed-moment-in-child-protection/
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seen some sick art on saville today about right for society and insane t shirts on ebay , saville items on ebay still fetching money, i thought the times were hard.
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seen some sick art on saville today about right for society and insane t shirts on ebay , saville items on ebay still fetching money, i thought the times were hard.
Mertol :) Ring me tomorrow..... :) :) :) :) :) :)
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Mertol :) Ring me tomorrow..... :) :) :) :) :) :)
Hi Patti i will if i can going to Harrogate to collect a fold up cycle then to Ikea Leeds.
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Hi Patti i will if i can going to Harrogate to collect a fold up cycle then to Ikea Leeds.
Wow! That's a long way to cycle.
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happy halloween.
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Blinking heck! That face gives me the creeps! >:( >:( >:(
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its in the papers today saville was given a key for the nurses room at leeds general infirmary at night to take girls in till early morning, his grave may have been disturbed, ive heard eferges of him are going to be burned, the cemetery will loose a fortune if he he gets buried elsewhere, no families will want the space he occupied just gets worse.
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its in the papers today saville was given a key for the nurses room at leeds general infirmary at night to take girls in till early morning, his grave may have been disturbed, ive heard eferges of him are going to be burned, the cemetery will loose a fortune if he he gets buried elsewhere, no families will want the space he occupied just gets worse.
It's a shame MWT wasn't around 40 years to expose him then. :) :) :)
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its in the papers today saville was given a key for the nurses room at leeds general infirmary at night to take girls in till early morning, his grave may have been disturbed, ive heard eferges of him are going to be burned, the cemetery will loose a fortune if he he gets buried elsewhere, no families will want the space he occupied just gets worse.
It's a shame MWT wasn't around 40 years to expose him then. :) :) :)
someone on aol s huffington post has ended their bbc licence payments , the bbc must have known the bbc must end and be replaced with something else
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its in the papers today saville was given a key for the nurses room at leeds general infirmary at night to take girls in till early morning, his grave may have been disturbed, ive heard eferges of him are going to be burned, the cemetery will loose a fortune if he he gets buried elsewhere, no families will want the space he occupied just gets worse.
Why on earth would he be given the key to the nurses room? It doesn't make sense? And they say that this request (I take it he has to request it) was not thought of in the slightest bit suspicious?
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its in the papers today saville was given a key for the nurses room at leeds general infirmary at night to take girls in till early morning, his grave may have been disturbed, ive heard eferges of him are going to be burned, the cemetery will loose a fortune if he he gets buried elsewhere, no families will want the space he occupied just gets worse.
Why on earth would he be given the key to the nurses room? It doesn't make sense? And they say that this request (I take it he has to request it) was not thought of in the slightest bit suspicious?
Money spoke loudly in this case,Lugg.
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i wonder if there was more people involved in all this was he the only one doing that sort of thing.
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i wonder if there was more people involved in all this was he the only one doing that sort of thing.
I am told that these circles exist for mutual benefit. A child deemed to be the property of a particular person is usually offered to others for their enjoyment on condition the child is "looked after" and returned "unharmed". Concern for the child's welfare? I rather think not. More, a sick code of honour.
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i find it hard to believe he was doing so blatantly and nobody noticed and nobody acted.
i think some of them must of had a reason for not acting.
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i wonder if there was more people involved in all this was he the only one doing that sort of thing.
I am told that these circles exist for mutual benefit. A child deemed to be the property of a particular person is usually offered to others for their enjoyment on condition the child is "looked after" and returned "unharmed". Concern for the child's welfare? I rather think not. More, a sick code of honour.
I can't help thinking about the little children who go missing. Madeleine McCann had an eye defect,,and April Jones,mild cerebral palsy. I wonder if these children are picked randomly or is the motive to find those children with some sort of defect.
It reminds me of the old film about the murderer who only went after women who were crippled,or had some sort of a health problem.The film was called " The Spiral Staircase ",,very old,but the same twisted notion of some of todays monsters.
Savile visited hospitals where there were sick children. All children are vulnerable,but those in hospital are more so as there's no escape.
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http://topsy.com/www.itv.com/news/story/2012-11-01/freddie-starr/ (http://topsy.com/www.itv.com/news/story/2012-11-01/freddie-starr/)
Hi Steph. I might have known it,the way he pretended to have a heart attack. Does he think emotional blackmail's going to work ?. He wasn't even funny.!
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yes he said he wanted to speak to police. I think he was just trying to distance himself from it all.
showing his nasty side to reporters will not help
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/279894/Freddie-Starr-in-rage-meltdown/
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Remember Starr is innocent until found guilty. Unlike Savile there are over 300 allegations. Only one has been reported on Starr and this is will I hope be investigated.
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http://topsy.com/www.itv.com/news/story/2012-11-01/freddie-starr/ (http://topsy.com/www.itv.com/news/story/2012-11-01/freddie-starr/)
Hi Steph. I might have known it,the way he pretended to have a heart attack. Does he think emotional blackmail's going to work ?. He wasn't even funny.!
Hey lookout.... Didn't he say to the papers that the police didn't want to talk to him??
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223400/Jimmy-Savile-scandal-Investigators-look-BBC-accomplices-flagship-show.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223400/Jimmy-Savile-scandal-Investigators-look-BBC-accomplices-flagship-show.html)
Am I posting in the wrong thread? :(
Yes,Steph,he did say that,but he would have been in denial,wouldn't he.?
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thats true he is innocent untill proven guilty.
i think he is criminally unfunny but thats another matter.
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thats true he is innocent untill proven guilty.
i think he is criminally unfunny but thats another matter.
I knew you would say that nugnug.... :)
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Jimmy Savile's nephew supports calls to exhume his uncle's body, which is enclosed in a steel coffin covered in concrete, and cremate it.
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Jimmy Savile's nephew supports calls to exhume his uncle's body, which is enclosed in a steel coffin covered in concrete, and cremate it.
Hello April, only recently a relative of someone buried next to saville has complained about this , but the council say his family must wish it, i think despite the cost i expect this will happen perhaps before Christmas, the person buried next to saville is a child.
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Hello April, only recently a relative of someone buried next to saville has complained about this , but the council say his family must wish it, i think despite the cost i expect this will happen perhaps before Christmas, the person buried next to saville is a child.
My God, Mertol, could that BE more insensitive?
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My God, Mertol, could that BE more insensitive?
, Things seem to be getting worse with this saville news april, and i was rather upset this morning as i will be visiting a grave of an actor i liked a lot who died some years ago, Ed Bishop, who played Cmdr Straker in gerry andersons UFO, he was on Top of the pops in the 80s i think on a video with a group called landscape , saville was on the set too and Ed said back then it was all good fun working, so even in death saville has duped deceased people, i would not expect Ed to know anything else about saville, just get him out of that cemetery and fast so loved ones can visit in some sort of peace.
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, Things seem to be getting worse with this saville news april, and i was rather upset this morning as i will be visiting a grave of an actor i liked a lot who died some years ago, Ed Bishop, who played Cmdr Straker in gerry andersons UFO, he was on Top of the pops in the 80s i think on a video with a group called landscape , saville was on the set too and Ed said back then it was all good fun working, so even in death saville has duped deceased people, i would not expect Ed to know anything else about saville, just get him out of that cemetery and fast so loved ones can visit in some sort of peace.
Couldn't agree more, Mertol
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Couldn't agree more, Mertol
I feel for all the children and people in this mess but i also feel for the people of Leeds as well, i should think saville is now erased he ever came from the city, saville cheated the courts and the victims, i just hope if they are going to show any vintage Christmas TOTP the saville parts are not there or better still dont transmit.
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I think he tried to tell us? ::)
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This lot is starting to make me feel quite ill now,especially with the involvement of Sutcliffe an MP and the childrens' home that was in Wales. More surprises to come no doubt. It's like the worst horror story.
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This lot is starting to make me feel quite ill now,especially with the involvement of Sutcliffe an MP and the childrens' home that was in Wales. More surprises to come no doubt. It's like the worst horror story.
For the sake of the victims Lookout perhaps like myself you want the bbc to be ended and replaced with something else, i hope so they are also in the line of fire.
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i dont see much in the sutcliff other than he lived near by.
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For the sake of the victims Lookout perhaps like myself you want the bbc to be ended and replaced with something else, i hope so they are also in the line of fire.
Mertol,,I really feel for the poor victims who have to carry their dreadful scars throughout their lives.Poor souls,all of them. There should be places dotted around,where people can go and " talk-out " their experiences to save themselves from being burdened with the horrors of the past. Somewhere other than a doctors surgery,or psychiatrists chair,where they can all meet " like-minded " people,and unburden themselves of what they feel is a stigma.
There are such places for alcoholics and drug-takers,so why not for these poor people who are also suffering. It's far better to talk it out of your system rather than bury it deep within yourself.
The BBC have a lot to answer for,Mertol,and yes,it should be done away with.Left-winged,biased organisation.
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The BBC should be suspended from operating until people are held to account, the licence payers deserve better, i stopped watching TV as of January 2010 ive missed nothing , however with Children in Need not far away i cant see anything to that effect, i always buy a wristband to wear so i hope the money raised this year is a good one, for saville get him cremated a short commital service then ashes out to sea end of.
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The BBC should be suspended from operating until people are held to account, the licence payers deserve better, i stopped watching TV as of January 2010 ive missed nothing , however with Children in Need not far away i cant see anything to that effect, i always buy a wristband to wear so i hope the money raised this year is a good one, for saville get him cremated a short commital service then ashes out to sea end of.
Mertol, isn't the sea polluted enough? ;D
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Mertol, isn't the sea polluted enough? ;D
something needs to be done about him maggie a little deceased child is buried next to him a whole generation conned.
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something needs to be done about him maggie a little deceased child is buried next to him a whole generation conned.
I know Mertol, but what? It is only symbolic anyway because it's just his body. Cremation yes but what to do with the ashes...was only saying Mertol why should the beautiful oceans have to put up with him? ;D ;D
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I know Mertol, but what? It is only symbolic anyway because it's just his body. Cremation yes but what to do with the ashes...was only saying Mertol why should the beautiful oceans have to put up with him? ;D ;D
yes even the oceans deserve respect , well its the local landfill then
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yes even the oceans deserve respect , well its the local landfill then
I'll accept that Mertol although I feel a little sorry for the seagulls!! ;D
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I'll accept that Mertol although I feel a little sorry for the seagulls!! ;D
When John Denver crashed in his plane they didn't find much of his head as it had been eaten by the seagulls.
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When John Denver crashed in his plane they didn't find much of his head as it had been eaten by the seagulls.
OMG Lugg, that's disgusting, they deserve Jimmy S then!! Ugh!! :o :o
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The BBC should be suspended from operating until people are held to account, the licence payers deserve better, i stopped watching TV as of January 2010 ive missed nothing , however with Children in Need not far away i cant see anything to that effect, i always buy a wristband to wear so i hope the money raised this year is a good one, for saville get him cremated a short commital service then ashes out to sea end of.
How do you know that you've missed nothing, if you weren't watching?
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How do you know that you've missed nothing, if you weren't watching?
its called a radio i believe you can hear but not see .
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http://tompride.wordpress.com/2012/10/14/mi5-vetted-savile-and-decided-paedophilia-was-nothing-to-worry-about/
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http://tompride.wordpress.com/2012/10/12/bbc-denies-it-was-aware-jimmy-savile-was-a-northerner/
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How about this:
On 5 February 1977 Irene Richardson was murdered in Roundhay Park, Leeds by Yorkshire Ripper. She was third known victim.
Her body was found within a few yards of JS Leeds flat.
JS was investigated at the time because he was known user of prostitutes.
It is said police made dental impression of JS.
At the trial it was found PS know of location of JS flat.
JS befriended PS at Broadmoor.
PS has been the only person to speak in defense of JS.
Coincidence?
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i dont think we can pin everything on jimmy savile.
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i dont think we can pin everything on jimmy savile.
No I do not think so either, but it is an unpleasant coincidence.
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i dont think we can pin everything on jimmy savile.
We dont see andrea much but what she said about saville working at the mortuary at L.G.I sickens me , ive visited that mortuary many times in the work i used to do, i know L.G.I quite well.With saville rule nothing out we were all fooled yet the BBC is still here why ?
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i notice savile was happy to say talk about his relationship with suttcliff witch should of set alram bells ringing to start with.
if anything sutcliff seemed to be trying to distance himself from jimmy savile. it comes to something when a serial doesn't want to be associated with you.
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i notice savile was happy to say talk his relationship with suttcliff witch should of set alram bells ringing to start with.
if anything sutcliff seemed to be trying to distance himself from jimmy savile. it comes to something when a serial doesn't want to be associated with you.
The picture of frank bruno shaking hands with sutcliffe speaks for itself, what bothers me is the face of saville in the foreground.
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frank brono dident know who he was shakeing hands with savile set him up to do that witch is why hes got the evil grin on his face.
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Issue 1326 of Private Eye relates story by Victor Lewis-Smith of the Evening Standard which recalls the writer meeting JS in chip shop in Scarborough. JS was with an armed "minder" and inviting young girls "upstairs". A conversation followed in which the "minder" showed his gun to VL-S. The article concludes that VL-S's big concern was not the thought of being shot but of ending up as a corpse in the local morgue where JS volenteered as an orderly. He ends by saying "I have my pride."
Whatever could he mean????
Yes, I didnt like the Bruno picture either. I think he was misled.
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Given the high security around sutcliffe i believe frank knew who he was shaking hands with , what you might not know is that frank bruno called someone i knew at her home when she was released fro L.G.I having beaten lymphonia only to it cme back she died at 17 , frank was her hero and he called her with good wishes, its noe been said jim l fix it was a gateway to get to children.
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i wonder if he ws fiddling with mrs thatcher.
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i wonder if he ws fiddling with mrs thatcher.
I cannot believe that. She must have been 70 year too old for him.
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Wtf.
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I cannot believe that. She must have been 70 year too old for him.
wasnt he supposed to be in necrophilia as well though
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wasnt he supposed to be in necrophilia as well though
NOT NICE NUG
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no on reflection it wasn't i do apoligise.
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nugnug very gracious of you to apologise :)
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wasnt he supposed to be in necrophilia as well though
Supposedly, nugnug, It was mentioned on a Radio Show a couple of weeks back, you can listen to it on youtube. He was a Porter at the Leeds General Infirmary; had access to the Morgue.
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no on reflection it wasn't i do apoligise.
Apology accepted, Nug. As Susan says, it was very gracious of you to offer it.
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Hi Andrea that is awful about Saville never knew that God it makes me feel sick.
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Hi Andrea that is awful about Saville never knew that God it makes me feel sick.
Susan/Andrea, it was actually mentioned on television in the first days of the news breaking, but of course, it didn't have the connotations it now has.
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As i was buying my orange Children in need wrist bangle at the weekend two thoughts came to mind , though this year was better than last year i do think this saville coming to the news has added to the donations this year, the other thought is anyone visiting Scarborough cemetery over the Christmas period to lay flowers can they erase the fact that saville is buried there , i was hoping his family would do the right thing and get him elsewhere , a child is buried next to saville.
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strange there arnt any storys in the papers about him anymore.
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As i was buying my orange Children in need wrist bangle at the weekend two thoughts came to mind , though this year was better than last year i do think this saville coming to the news has added to the donations this year, the other thought is anyone visiting Scarborough cemetery over the Christmas period to lay flowers can they erase the fact that saville is buried there , i was hoping his family would do the right thing and get him elsewhere , a child is buried next to saville.
Mertol, I think that the collective conscience is in gear.
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The family did remove and destroy the gravestone which was very commendable as it must have cost thousands. As for digging him up, I expect that might happen in time but it is not easy as you need a licence from the Home Secretary to dig someone up and it is not granted casually. Also not simple as I think the grave was sealed with concrete, (wonder why? maybe he saw this coming)?
Also is completely true that a Yorkshire Ripper victim was found only yards from his Leeds Flat by Roundhay Park.
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Yes his headstone cost £4,000 plus the cost to remove and break up, that would add another £1000 easy, i agree its not simple to remove the deceased without good reason, though i was suprised the council allowed such a burial incased in concrete, it has been said saville was buried wearing jewellrey in number the concrete may deter graverobbers .
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It was Irene Richardson that was found in Roundhay Park. Marcella Claxton was also attacked there.
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Yes his headstone cost £4,000 plus the cost to remove and break up, that would add another £1000 easy, i agree its not simple to remove the deceased without good reason, though i was suprised the council allowed such a burial incased in concrete, it has been said saville was buried wearing jewellrey in number the concrete may deter graverobbers .
Some high explosive would probably solve the problem Mertol. 8) ;D
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Some high explosive would probably solve the problem Mertol. 8) ;D
Sure it would maggie but i would not like bits in my fish and chips takeaway if were there .
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Sure it would maggie but i would not like bits in my fish and chips takeaway if were there .
yes, that is a drawback :o :o ;D ;D ;D
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Slightly off topic but it is jewish tradition to place a stone on a grave. I once visit graveyard in Jerusalem where Robert Maxwell is buried. It seems that in case of maxwell there is slight departure from tradition in that his grave has been attacked with bricks, bottles, tin cans, paint and well "other disgusting things."
Maybe start tradition for Sir-Vile?
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isnt his gravestone just dust now ?
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Slightly off topic but it is jewish tradition to place a stone on a grave. I once visit graveyard in Jerusalem where Robert Maxwell is buried. It seems that in case of maxwell there is slight departure from tradition in that his grave has been attacked with bricks, bottles, tin cans, paint and well "other disgusting things."
Maybe start tradition for Sir-Vile?
savile wasn't Jewish as far i know.
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not stop us from throwing bricks at him though. I'm not anti-semitic. I throw bricks at anyone.
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an intresting qustion.
http://incubusblog.wordpress.com/2012/11/29/so-no-tabloid-ever-hacked-jimmy-saviles-phone-seriously/
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Slightly off topic but it is jewish tradition to place a stone on a grave. I once visit graveyard in Jerusalem where Robert Maxwell is buried. It seems that in case of maxwell there is slight departure from tradition in that his grave has been attacked with bricks, bottles, tin cans, paint and well "other disgusting things."
Maybe start tradition for Sir-Vile?
Yes, its tradition.
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http://t.co/niaf4E82ZW
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Looks to me Saville duped everyone to the grave, forces seem to be on his side preventing the truth to emerge , makes you wonder why the BBC TV Centre closed down .
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looks like natwest is going to steal all the money that was meant to be going to his victems.
i thought they were a bit quick to freeze those assets.
i mean why the rush he was dead he wasnt going to run off with the cash.
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looks like natwest is going to steal all the money that was meant to be going to his victems.
i thought they were a bit quick to freeze those assets.
i mean why the rush he was dead he wasnt going to run off with the cash.
The Banks, winner takes all the devil always wins.
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i would like to know how it costs 1 millon to adminstrate an estate of 4 millon.
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http://tompride.wordpress.com/2013/08/18/jimmy-savile-to-be-canonised-after-how-he-got-away-with-it-for-so-long-confirmed-a-miracle/
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http://t.co/Cd7gLLhFXC