Jeremy Bamber Forum
OFF TOPIC => General => Topic started by: andrea on October 22, 2011, 02:56:PM
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Did anyone watch Derren Brown last night?
He basically hypnotised a guy into shooting stephen fry.
Sirhan Sirhan reckons he was under a form of mind control when he assassinated Robert Kennedy, so i was just wondering who watched the programme last night and their views on it.
It was thought provoking, very.
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Did anyone watch Derren Brown last night?
He basically hypnotised a guy into shooting stephen fry.
Sirhan Sirhan reckons he was under a form of mind control when he assassinated Robert Kennedy, so i was just wondering who watched the programme last night and their views on it.
It was thought provoking, very.
Andi, no disrespect meant. I see you have put this in off-topic. But can I please ask if we heading down the line of Jeremy's projecting his immense mental presence on to Sheila? This will be the next desperate fall back position 'leaked' via the forum, from certain circles. It wasn't him, it wasn't a third party... but he was still behind it (the bastard... it was him alright... they should have hanged him etc...)
Apologies if I'm picking this up wrong.
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Erm..... Yes roch, youre wrong on that one.
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Erm..... Yes roch, youre wrong on that one.
Ok, sorry about that. As you can see I'm feeling a bit ranty today.
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Yeah I noticed, i dont post much om the jb case much anymore, i dont feel ive anything to add to disussion, we have thought of every possibility, i basically run out of things to say. And this derren brown thing last night made good viewing hence the thread, so no, i wasnt trying to put another take on jbs case, by the way im not an anti, never have neen.
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Yeah I noticed, i dont post much om the jb case much anymore, i dont feel ive anything to add to disussion, we have thought of every possibility, i basically run out of things to say. And this derren brown thing last night made good viewing hence the thread, so no, i wasnt trying to put another take on jbs case, by the way im not an anti, never have neen.
I did not mean to present you as 'anti'. I know that you are undecided but leaning towards innocence. And that you have held that position for a good while.
I've seen some of his stuff before and he is either an extremely accomplished confidence trickster or there's a lot to be said for the power of hypnosis. Maybe it's a bit of both?
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Yeah I noticed, i dont post much om the jb case much anymore, i dont feel ive anything to add to disussion, we have thought of every possibility, i basically run out of things to say. And this derren brown thing last night made good viewing hence the thread, so no, i wasnt trying to put another take on jbs case, by the way im not an anti, never have neen.
Andrea you are so wrong. Yes we have stagnated of late, and we are not using our minds.
You have a lot to say, but you choose to answer instead of asking questions.
Please do not think I am having a go at you, but as one of the senior members you have much to offer.
Of course I realise your thoughts are elsewhere at this moment, but I urge you to remain positive.
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I just dont feel i have anything to offer on the case anymore cliff, just camt think i have anything to add.
As for being positive, i dont think jb will get appeal, im not hopeful.
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you cant hypnotise some to kill themselves unless they want to do it already
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Well according to what happened on that ptogramme you can.
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Cliff Andrea seems to think that she is unable to post by routine lets say, the number of postings against many other members should tell you a thing or to, we have gone through the barrier of every possible thought when out the many only 1 will stand, as to this guy Derren Brown, ive always held him in my grey box im not sure, Andrea made no mention of JB in the maiden post, whats that film with Edward G. Robinson where he is told he is going to kill someone? the idea is not new is it.
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andrea, I have not seen the programme yet, but intend to on replay!
Please come back and give us your ideas on what may have happened.!
You are one of the best people on this site - don't leave us without your input into
this case.
Halloween is coming up, when the veil between the two worlds is at it's thinnest -believe me, we will have more to go on afterwards.
A case like this doesn't just happen and disapear forever.
I try to tune in to it and get zero - a veil of thick fog surrounding it.
Some things are not meant to be comprehended until a certain time.
That time, will come.
Bet your bottom dollar!
Sweet dreams,
Summer :)
P.S You do have a lot to contriibute - your lovely personality being amongst one
of the most important!
Please give us any views you may have.
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Well according to what happened on that ptogramme you can.
Isaw a film once (can't remember the name of it) where a man played by Lawrence Harvey was hypnotised by the Chinese to assassinate a high up official. He was triggered by a phone call where on hearing a particular word would go and get a gun and shoot the man in question. Never heard of it in real life though?
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Morning Grahame, I think the film was called The Mancunian Candidate.
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Morning Grahame, I think the film was called The Mancunian Candidate.
That the one Cliff.
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All the new statements that Mike has posted should freshen things up a bit.
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you cant hypnotise some to kill themselves unless they want to do it already
He wasnt hypnotised into killing himself, he was hypnotised into killing stephen fry, and he did
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you cant hypnotise some to kill themselves unless they want to do it already
He wasnt hypnotised into killing himself, he was hypnotised into killing stephen fry, and he did
Andrea what channel was the show on, i no longer watch tv as of jan this year.
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Channel four mertol i think.
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Did anyone watch Derren Brown last night?
He basically hypnotised a guy into shooting stephen fry.
Sirhan Sirhan reckons he was under a form of mind control when he assassinated Robert Kennedy, so i was just wondering who watched the programme last night and their views on it.
It was thought provoking, very.
I'm sceptical of the claims of many of these hypnotists, in particular those who perform on stage or TV. I believe a lot of them are illusionists, crooks and charlatans.
That doesn't mean I don't believe that hypnotism works, it clearly does as people have been operated on without pain while under hypnosis. I don't know which category Derren Brown falls under, but I don't find him at all convincing.
Experimental projects have shown that a disturbingly high proportion of us can be induced to harm or kill others without ever being hypnotised.
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you cant hypnotise some to kill themselves unless they want to do it already
He wasnt hypnotised into killing himself, he was hypnotised into killing stephen fry, and he did
Pity, I liked Stephen Fry. :-[
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Derren brown is a sceptic, he doesnt believe in ghosts, mediums, psychics and religion etc.
But on that programme he was trying to see if it is possible to hypnotise someone into assassinating a high profile figure, he proved that you can. Sirhan sirhan said he was under mind control when he shot kennedy.
I think its possible, quite scary really.
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The Milgram experiment found that the percentage of its participants who were prepared to continue inflicting increasingly high voltages of electric shocks to victims in a room next door, right up to the point where fatal voltages were being administered, was an astonishing 61–66 percent.
Hypnotism was not employed by the researchers, as the experiment set out to test how obedient human beings are to authority using only the authority status of the researchers as an inducement to participants. It's akin to a holocaust experiment, if you like.
Victims were not actually receiving electric shocks, of course, however the subjects pressing the buttons to administer these 'shocks' believed that they were indeed inflicting pain.
As the voltages the subjects inflicted apparently grew higher, victims screamed with pain and banged on the walls for the experiment to stop, yet 61% to 66% of those inflicting shocks continued. Even when the victims stopped screaming and went alarmingly quiet at the highest level of voltage, over 60% of those inflicting the shocks continued to do so, merely because they accepted the researchers as authority figures and did what the researchers instructed them to do.
I think a lot of this obedience factor underlies the effects of much of the alleged hypnotic powers we see in the media and on stage.
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Derren brown is no charlatan either, infact he informs people how mediums and psychics rip us all off, they use cold reading techniques or the sitter without realising, will give the medium the answers.
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I just don't find him convincing, Andrea, to me he's simply and illusionist, but of course I could be wrong.
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In some form there will be an explination Andrea, i will view Derren Brown on youtube see his style a little more , that American guy Lance Burton now he is good real good but always tells you how it works, think like Columbo and some answers are not far behind, infact im watching Lt Columbo very soon from my dvd boxset 2pm infact, will get back to you on this, Chocho seems sure its not real and Chocho could be right why show on tv ? some screwball might just copy it !
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Derren brown is a sceptic, he doesnt believe in ghosts, mediums, psychics and religion etc.
Well he's wrong on that one. Religion does exist. ::)
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Derren brown is no charlatan either, infact he informs people how mediums and psychics rip us all off, they use cold reading techniques or the sitter without realising, will give the medium the answers.
Andrea ive just been on youtube before i watch Columbo, the guy is a fake , go on youtube sometime and watch his lottery numbers prediction trick, why does he not show you the numbers on the balls as he is talking , when those balls turn round for you to see they were switched earlier, fake.
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I just don't find him convincing, Andrea, to me he's simply and illusionist, but of course I could be wrong.
i 2nd your view Chocho +1
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I fail to see why hes a fake, he tells viewers the techniques he uses, he isnt cheating anyone. Unlike "mediums" who make hundreds while preying on the vulnerable.
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Derren brown is no charlatan either, infact he informs people how mediums and psychics rip us all off, they use cold reading techniques or the sitter without realising, will give the medium the answers.
Andrea ive just been on youtube before i watch Columbo, the guy is a fake , go on youtube sometime and watch his lottery numbers prediction trick, why does he not show you the numbers on the balls as he is talking , when those balls turn round for you to see they were switched earlier, fake.
They are all fakes who make money duping people, If these people were for real no criminal would be safe.
A bit like Mikes mate in the dressing gown, a total fraud who preys on the vunerable.
Its a bit like the other geezer who talks to the dead[can't remember his name] total bollocks.
Why havn't they scooped the lottery as they already know the numbers,
TBH I don't know why I am bothering to post this and cannot uderstand why anyone believes in it.
Here I will have a go.
Someone is called Angie, and I have her mother with me. Yes thats me!
Your mum says we need to talk, Yes we do.
She is telling me you have a secret. Yes I have! My god how did you know this?
Your mother told me! When, where?
I need to get in touch again as I have lost contact, She is troubled. Why?
I am not sure, but if you can make a small donation I will try to find out. Thirty pounds should do the trick.
Bollocks I never listened to her anyway,
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Given this was on TV and not live out in the street he has the illusion upper hand, bit of double screen going on here part live part not.
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My friend Wendy is a right tough old bird, but once at Pontins she was hypnotised into dancing like Rod Stewart and eating an onion like an apple. She never really lived it down!
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Its a bit like the other geezer who talks to the dead[can't remember his name] total bollocks.
Derek Acorah, Cliff. He was on tv one night and he was talking to his spirit guide and said, "What's that Sam? The dog wants to say something? What does he say Sam? Woof woof?" ;D ;D ;D
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If Andrea likes this type of show thats fine its not for me to say otherwise but im not convinced he is genuine if he could make me do something i might buy it.
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If Andrea likes this type of show thats fine its not for me to say otherwise but im not convinced he is genuine if he could make me do something i might buy it.
Derren Brown is the real deal. He's like that Dynamo geezer. It's all smoke and mirrors, pure illusion. It's the likes of Derek Accorah, Sally Morgan and Colin Fry who prey on the bereaved. Shame on them. They make a fortune. Bob told me that.
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it was the balls that sealed it for me he did not show the numbers on the balls on his lottery prediction because the balls were blank .
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Correct, derren brown tells the viewers the techniques he uses, he must have studied what he does for yrs, he uses alot of psychology etc, he never ceases to amaze me.
But yep the likes of accorah, fry and co, theyre a disgrace. As for most haunted, dont get me started!!
Go to the bad psychics website, they have exposed that lot more times than ican remember
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it was the balls that sealed it for me he did not show the numbers on the balls on his lottery prediction because the balls were blank .
What did it for me was when Derren did the russian roulette thing. He had such a look of terror on his face, but he knew all along that there wasn't a bullet. He's brilliant!!
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Anyone been to Clapham woods south downs? i swear i heard no birds in that wood i visited in the late 80s returned 2yr ago same thing
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Anyone been to Clapham woods south downs? i swear i heard no birds in that wood i visited in the late 80s returned 2yr ago same thing
Blimey, merts. That's spooky. What do you think it means?
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I took some pictures on the 1st visit strange place, the woods have ley lines inside and nearby is the cissbury ring.
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Anyone been to Clapham woods south downs? i swear i heard no birds in that wood i visited in the late 80s returned 2yr ago same thing
Is it a deciduous wood or a pine wood? You will not hear birds in a pine wood.
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Anyone been to Clapham woods south downs? i swear i heard no birds in that wood i visited in the late 80s returned 2yr ago same thing
Is it a deciduous wood or a pine wood? You will not hear birds in a pine wood.
Why is that?
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Are pine trees prickly? difficult to build nests in?
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Are pine trees prickly? difficult to build nests in?
That's a good reason birds avoid nesting there, but what about scavenging for food, or do birds not go into pine woods for any reason?
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would it be the smell? i dont know choc to be honest, i shall have to google it!
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I think Andrea is right, Just about every possibillity has been covered. One of these theories has to be the right one, I'm thinking that we may never know which
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I think Andrea is right, Just about every possibillity has been covered. One of these theories has to be the right one, I'm thinking that we may never know which
Possibly because there is not much food in a pine forest. In a deciduous wood there are all sorts of grubs and things. It is an eerie place a pine forest. Almost completely silent. They lend themselves to legends such as werewolves etc.
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Clapham woods i dont think are pine, i know where the pictures are i took, i overlook a pine wood birds are in there many a time woken up by owls, Clapham woods are a site of pagans /witches, very strange place there is supposed to be a crater in there but ive only been in the part outside the village church.
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Clapham woods i dont think are pine, i know where the pictures are i took, i overlook a pine wood birds are in there many a time woken up by owls, Clapham woods are a site of pagans /witches, very strange place there is supposed to be a crater in there but ive only been in the part outside the village church.
Clapham wood is an old wood and therefore are likely to be deciduous trees. Most pine woods are new woods and are not native to England. The reason you see owls coming and going from a pine wood is that there are both squirrels and mice in there. The only reason you get those rodents in a pine wood is because there are pine seeds there. Squirrels and mice are the only ones who can extract them from the cones. You will often see pine cones in a pine wood that have been eaten away.
Just why there are no birds in Clapham woods I can't answer? When my friend came up from Cornwall once we went into a wood near me and we noticed that Jays had been hung on trees. This indicates a shooting wood. He remarked to me in disgust, "Why is it that every wood round here is a shooting wood?". Could this be one reason for no birds do you think? Just a thought.
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Studied Derren Brown a little more i do not think he has powers because it looks all to easy, a good convincer if you like .
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Studied Derren Brown a little more i do not think he has powers because it looks all to easy, a good convincer if you like .
Darren Brown is an illusionist. I remember Paul Daniels commenting on his own tricks and saying that the trick itself is very boring when you know how it is done. The mystery is in how you present it.
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Studied Derren Brown a little more i do not think he has powers because it looks all to easy, a good convincer if you like .
Darren Brown is an illusionist. I remember Paul Daniels commenting on his own tricks and saying that the trick itself is very boring when you know how it is done. The mystery is in how you present it.
Paul Daniels has a brother about 20 miles from me when Paul visits him they go to the local pub, Paul Daniels has a big lock up in Doncaster where all his old tricks are stored many cant stand the guy but i had time for Wipeout on tv, and thats all it is tricks nothing more .
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Can anyone else on this site "read" people?
Also can anyone else on this site "read" places?
By reading people, I mean having knowledge of
whether a person is good or bad, whether or not they have
been involved with bad people or not.
By reading places I mean,for example, as a small child, my Great Aunt took
me to the playground of the town in Cornwall where she lived.
I sat on the swing and told her "this is a place of death".
It turned out that the swings were on the site of the old slaughter house.
Now, I have no rational explanation for that at all.
Also I did not live in her town.
Also, I stood to gain no money from it.
But I knew it!
Sometimes, I have known things about people I have been introduced to and never met before.
The other odd thing is that once, I have actually told someone that I could "see" they had been "very
close to darkness" and the person said "Yes, I have" and it turned out that this person had been lured
into crime and done some time for it due to a person that they had met.
In my minds eye I could "see" a darkness surrounding her as we were introduced.
I could not believe that I had made my comment out loud, but I had.
I try very hard never to do that.
So I don't believe that all people who have knowledge of things that others don't understand
are necessarily trying to fool others deliberately.
But probably most of them are not on T.V.
They are more likely to be a neighbour or someone walking along the street, or a child on the swings. :)
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Can anyone else on this site "read" people?
Also can anyone else on this site "read" places?
By reading people, I mean having knowledge of
whether a person is good or bad, whether or not they have
been involved with bad people or not.
By reading places I mean,for example, as a small child, my Great Aunt took
me to the playground of the town in Cornwall where she lived.
I sat on the swing and told her "this is a place of death".
It turned out that the swings were on the site of the old slaughter house.
Now, I have no rational explanation for that at all.
Also I did not live in her town.
Also, I stood to gain no money from it.
But I knew it!
Sometimes, I have known things about people I have been introduced to and never met before.
The other odd thing is that once, I have actually told someone that I could "see" they had been "very
close to darkness" and the person said "Yes, I have" and it turned out that this person had been lured
into crime and done some time for it due to a person that they had met.
In my minds eye I could "see" a darkness surrounding her as we were introduced.
I could not believe that I had made my comment out loud, but I had.
I try very hard never to do that.
So I don't believe that all people who have knowledge of things that others don't understand
are necessarily trying to fool others deliberately.
But probably most of them are not on T.V.
They are more likely to be a neighbour or someone walking along the street, or a child on the swings. :)
I can't explain that and many things are a mystery. But I am confident that Darren Brown is not one of them.
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Can anyone else on this site "read" people?
Also can anyone else on this site "read" places?
By reading people, I mean having knowledge of
whether a person is good or bad, whether or not they have
been involved with bad people or not.
By reading places I mean,for example, as a small child, my Great Aunt took
me to the playground of the town in Cornwall where she lived.
I sat on the swing and told her "this is a place of death".
It turned out that the swings were on the site of the old slaughter house.
Now, I have no rational explanation for that at all.
Also I did not live in her town.
Also, I stood to gain no money from it.
But I knew it!
Sometimes, I have known things about people I have been introduced to and never met before.
The other odd thing is that once, I have actually told someone that I could "see" they had been "very
close to darkness" and the person said "Yes, I have" and it turned out that this person had been lured
into crime and done some time for it due to a person that they had met.
In my minds eye I could "see" a darkness surrounding her as we were introduced.
I could not believe that I had made my comment out loud, but I had.
I try very hard never to do that.
So I don't believe that all people who have knowledge of things that others don't understand
are necessarily trying to fool others deliberately.
But probably most of them are not on T.V.
They are more likely to be a neighbour or someone walking along the street, or a child on the swings. :)
I've had a few experiences of this, Summer, so I do believe that there are people who can pick things up that others can't. One example, my closest friend and I made a pact when we were children that we would contact each other if we were ever in trouble. Some years ago, I had a dream that I saw my friend walking down a street, she suddenly stopped and bent over and was clearly in pain. I watched a woman, who was somehow also me in the dream, go to my friend's aid, she asked what was wrong. My friend kept saying, what on earth can be wrong with me? The woman called an ambulance and my friend was taken to hospital.
The next day, I felt so worried that something bad had happened to my friend, I kept ringing, but I couldn't get hold of her. My husband convinced me I that was imagining all of this. While on holiday a week later I bought a book, Zorba's Dance, which is partly about a pact between two friends that they would contact each other if either of them was in trouble - I didn't have a clue that the book had this theme when I bought it. I decided to give this book to my friend when I'd finished it.
I finally managed to contact my friend only after my return from holiday. My friend told me that she'd had a dreadful experience. I said to her, you were walking down a street and suddenly had a searing pain in your stomach, you were bent over, you didn't know what was wrong with you. A woman came to help you, she called an ambulance and went with you to hospital, yes? That's exactly what had happened. Unknown to my friend she'd had an ectopic pregnancy. I asked my friend if she'd like my copy of Zorba's Dance, thanks, she said, but I read it when I was hospital, it made me think of the pact we made when we were children.
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chochokeira, thank you for your reply!
If it were not for people like you being brave and responding to my post, I would think I was
alone, (almost), with this kind of memory and experience of this weird stuff!
Most of the time I put a "block" on it, because I want to live in the here and now mainly,
but occasionally one of these experiences creeps through.
Putting the block on means being extremely forceful, 'though sometimes.
I block things because it has always scared me to a certain extent.
;)