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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: mike tesko on August 18, 2011, 06:55:PM
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Jeremy Pictures
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Good pictures, Mike!
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i have a pic of taff jones and some other coppers, but theyre on iphone and i dont know how to get them on here :(
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i have a pic of taff jones and some other coppers, but theyre on iphone and i dont know how to get them on here :(
Do you have a USB lead that you can use to plug one end into your iphone and the other into your PC? I would think the iphone came with one of these, Andrea.
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There is one picture that always touches me , its in Colins Book In search of the Rainbows end, both Jeremy and Sheila nothing more than tiny tots outside the front door of the farm with Jeremy looking at Sheila with a cat.
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i have a pic of taff jones and some other coppers, but theyre on iphone and i dont know how to get them on here :(
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Link your phone to your computer with the USB connector lead and go into the start menu and click on your phone icon would be a good start...
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yes, everything from my phone goes on to itunes, but i cant seem to get them from there, im not very tec savvy mike.
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yes, everything from my phone goes on to itunes, but i cant seem to get them from there, im not very tec savvy mike.
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connect your phone, using USB lead, then click on the start button bottom left hand corner which will open up another window showing a folder for your phone, click on the folder which will open it up and show various boxes with music or other things like images, or pictures, click on the ones which might be entitled pictures or images to see which ones are the ones you want to copy, when you find the ones you want to copy, click on it to copy it, copy it and then go back onto your desktop and paste it there...
Try that...
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Andrea for quickness I sometimes email to my computer :)
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good idea jack
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Good pictures, Mike!
Agreed! There's a couple there i haven't seen before.
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what about this one?
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He looks so young and vulnerable in the first one IMO.
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taff jones. the following pictures i have posted are taken from the book "in search of the rainbows end" by colin caffell, i did not take, nor do i own the pictures.
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these are pictures i took from a book
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shiela and colin, sheila had just had the twins
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Sheila still manages to look beautiful!
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mike ainsley
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brett colins and angela greaves
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assistant chief constable peter simpson
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sheila pregnant with the twins
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shiela and colin, sheila had just had the twins
Happiness is so short lived in this world. A happy picture tinged with sadness. If only they knew then what they know now?
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Taff was just 35ish when he died, wasn't he? He looks around 40 or older here, but I suppose that's an occupational hazard of the job he did. He's carrying too much weight from all of those snatched, unhealthy meals on the hoof.
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Taff was just 35ish when he died, wasn't he? He looks around 40 or older here, but I suppose that's an occupational hazard of the job he did. He's carrying too much weight from all of those snatched, unhealthy meals on the hoof.
Where's the picture of Taff Jones then?
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Taff was just 35ish when he died, wasn't he? He looks around 40 or older here, but I suppose that's an occupational hazard of the job he did. He's carrying too much weight from all of those snatched, unhealthy meals on the hoof.
Not just him Keira, the other two look rather well fed too!
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page 1 graham, took me ages to sort out how to get vthe pics from my phone and onto here!!
i need my kids help again :-[
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page 1 graham, took me ages to sort out how to get vthe pics from my phone and onto here!!
i need my kids help again :-[
Oh right. I missed that one.
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These are great pics Andrea and well done!
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theyre only ones i got from a book hm , thanks anyway :)
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page 1 graham, took me ages to sort out how to get vthe pics from my phone and onto here!!
i need my kids help again :-[
You did well, Andrea, thanks for these.
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Great to see "new" pictures. I have to save them and get them into the Pic thread. The problem is that I am so busy that I can hardly breathe! I will be for a good while - perhaps some weekend when I´m bored (HA!)
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page 1 graham, took me ages to sort out how to get vthe pics from my phone and onto here!!
i need my kids help again :-[
You did it in the end. There are some lovely pictures here +1 Andrea
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thanks keira :)
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Jeremy pictures
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jeremy and sheila as children, and sheila and colin with the twins
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Jeremy Pictures
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Well done Andrea looking at those pictures I wish Colin had tried a bit harder with Sheila what is it they say in sickness and in health
So sad poor Sheila
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More great pictures, thanks, Mike. +1 for these once I can applaud you again.
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Completely subjective, but look in to Taff Jones' eyes. I don't know when this pic was taken but he looks burdened. He also looks as if he is no fool. He looks like a rugby prop. I wouldn't fancy an argument with him.
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Well done Andrea looking at those pictures I wish Colin had tried a bit harder with Sheila what is it they say in sickness and in health
So sad poor Sheila
i see where youre coming from jack, but relationships end and someone ends up heartbroken.
No doubt colin tried with sheila but it wasnt to be, his main concern were for his children and rightly so.
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a young june and neville with sheila.
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Where did you GET all those pictures? It is so interesting to see this!
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just from books i have abs :)
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just from books i have abs :)
Oh, great! And thanks to both you and Mike and a couple of ++
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June looks like the Queen in that photo - same hairstyle anyway.
Is that baby Sheila?
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a young june and neville with sheila.
This photo of Nevill, June and Sheila would have been taken in 1957, when they were both about 33.
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June looks like the Queen in that photo - same hairstyle anyway.
Is that baby Sheila?
Yes, that's Sheila. Amost every middle aged woman in the country had that 'cottage loaf' hairstyle then. It's hard to imagine now, but the Queen was in her day almost as great a style icon as Princess Diana and the Duchess of Cambridge were to become in later years.
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Jeremy pictures
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Remember the thing Colin said Sheila mentioned about June, that she hardly ever hugged her children, her hands just hanging down her sides.
On the photo of her holding baby Sheila, she seems very stiff, not holding the little girl in an embrace. Baby Sheila is like just propped up against June - her arm, seemingly, hanging down her side. The beby looks as if she could need a hug.
Maybe that is a lot to read into a photo. I just get this cold vibe from this photo of June. Nevill looks nice though.
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Very touching pics. The young Nevill looks a bit like Basil Rathbone, imo.
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I always remind myself of one thing destiny.. the future is there waiting and can not be changed, there is no way this family could ever know their future,but some of these pictures are telling a story already, there was a time this family were together a thoughtfull and moving posting.
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Great photos from both of you very relevant but so sad it's almost unbearable to look at the happy ones
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Nevill's eyes look like they are different colours or he had a cataract in his left eye!
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it would be nice to see a festive one through Christmas or new year, the one in jubilee year taken with the leyland van is a happy one.
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june with sheila and jeremy
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colin and sheila on their wedding day
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neville telling the twins a story
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the twins in a recording studio, colin was close friends with herbie flowers from the group SKY
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Sheila and Jeremy were beautiful children.
Oh, God, the picture of Nevill with the twins brought tears to my eyes. It puts it all into perspective seeing those pictures.
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sheila
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Just about every photo of Sheila i have seen she is smiling, Sheila looks like a young Kate Bush on her wedding day .
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colin with daniel at sheilas house
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sheila
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Remember the thing Colin said Sheila mentioned about June, that she hardly ever hugged her children, her hands just hanging down her sides.
On the photo of her holding baby Sheila, she seems very stiff, not holding the little girl in an embrace. Baby Sheila is like just propped up against June - her arm, seemingly, hanging down her side. The beby looks as if she could need a hug.
Maybe that is a lot to read into a photo. I just get this cold vibe from this photo of June. Nevill looks nice though.
There are all manner of revealling psychodynamics going on beneath the surface of this apparently happy family picture. I get exactly the same cold vibe from this photo, Abs, as you do.
Both June and Nevill look stiff and awkward and June's ultra possessive, almost demonic expression is chilling.
June was sectioned in a psychiatric hospital just a few months after this photograph was taken, wasn't she? She looks to me like a woman with deep problems. Little wonder that Nevill looks so stressed out and detached from it all.
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suzette ford
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Pictures
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Remember the thing Colin said Sheila mentioned about June, that she hardly ever hugged her children, her hands just hanging down her sides.
On the photo of her holding baby Sheila, she seems very stiff, not holding the little girl in an embrace. Baby Sheila is like just propped up against June - her arm, seemingly, hanging down her side. The beby looks as if she could need a hug.
Maybe that is a lot to read into a photo. I just get this cold vibe from this photo of June. Nevill looks nice though.
There's all manner of revealling psychodynamics going on beneath the surface of this apparently happy family picture. I get exactly the same cold vibe from this photo, Abs, as you do.
Both June and Nevill look stiff and awkward and June's ultra possessive, almost demonic expression is chilling.
June was sectioned in a psychiatric hospital just a few months after this photograph was taken, wasn't she? She looks to me like a woman with deep problems. Little wonder that Nevill looks so stressed out and detached from it all.
I wonder if June simply wasn't the maternal type? Perhaps coping with an adopted baby was too much for her?
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colin with daniel at sheilas house
And for anyone who is a parent, this picture is truly heartbreaking.
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true shona, when i look at these pics in the book, im not affected, but now they are on the forum im upset by them.....strange :( very sad, very very sad.
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Mike, those pictures of the figures in the trees are very good. Not exactly Jeremy ("Jeremy Pictures"), but nice to see them all the same.
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Remember the thing Colin said Sheila mentioned about June, that she hardly ever hugged her children, her hands just hanging down her sides.
On the photo of her holding baby Sheila, she seems very stiff, not holding the little girl in an embrace. Baby Sheila is like just propped up against June - her arm, seemingly, hanging down her side. The beby looks as if she could need a hug.
Maybe that is a lot to read into a photo. I just get this cold vibe from this photo of June. Nevill looks nice though.
There's all manner of revealling psychodynamics going on beneath the surface of this apparently happy family picture. I get exactly the same cold vibe from this photo, Abs, as you do.
Both June and Nevill look stiff and awkward and June's ultra possessive, almost demonic expression is chilling.
June was sectioned in a psychiatric hospital just a few months after this photograph was taken, wasn't she? She looks to me like a woman with deep problems. Little wonder that Nevill looks so stressed out and detached from it all.
I wonder if June simply wasn't the maternal type? Perhaps coping with an adopted baby was too much for her?
Hi, Shona. Women aren't generally sectioned under the Mental Health Act for merely being non-maternal or for post adoption stress. June was mentally ill, wasn't she?
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Remember the thing Colin said Sheila mentioned about June, that she hardly ever hugged her children, her hands just hanging down her sides.
On the photo of her holding baby Sheila, she seems very stiff, not holding the little girl in an embrace. Baby Sheila is like just propped up against June - her arm, seemingly, hanging down her side. The beby looks as if she could need a hug.
Maybe that is a lot to read into a photo. I just get this cold vibe from this photo of June. Nevill looks nice though.
There's all manner of revealling psychodynamics going on beneath the surface of this apparently happy family picture. I get exactly the same cold vibe from this photo, Abs, as you do.
Both June and Nevill look stiff and awkward and June's ultra possessive, almost demonic expression is chilling.
June was sectioned in a psychiatric hospital just a few months after this photograph was taken, wasn't she? She looks to me like a woman with deep problems. Little wonder that Nevill looks so stressed out and detached from it all.
I wonder if June simply wasn't the maternal type? Perhaps coping with an adopted baby was too much for her?
Hi, Shona. Women aren't generally sectioned under the Mental Health Act for merely being non-maternal or for post adoption stress. June was mentally ill, wasn't she?
Yes, I'm sure that you're right, Choch. I just wondered if that was what pushed her over the edge?
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Mike, those pictures of the figures in the trees are very good. Not exactly Jeremy ("Jeremy Pictures"), but nice to see them all the same.
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Why thank you, they are all part of my private collection, and I thought I would simply introduce them as a sort of temporary diversion, some of those old photographs which have been posted by Andrea, are wonderful, moving, distressing, and give each and everyone of us a deep insight into the fabric of the family and other actors in this very sad tragedy...
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Remember the thing Colin said Sheila mentioned about June, that she hardly ever hugged her children, her hands just hanging down her sides.
On the photo of her holding baby Sheila, she seems very stiff, not holding the little girl in an embrace. Baby Sheila is like just propped up against June - her arm, seemingly, hanging down her side. The beby looks as if she could need a hug.
Maybe that is a lot to read into a photo. I just get this cold vibe from this photo of June. Nevill looks nice though.
There's all manner of revealling psychodynamics going on beneath the surface of this apparently happy family picture. I get exactly the same cold vibe from this photo, Abs, as you do.
Both June and Nevill look stiff and awkward and June's ultra possessive, almost demonic expression is chilling.
June was sectioned in a psychiatric hospital just a few months after this photograph was taken, wasn't she? She looks to me like a woman with deep problems. Little wonder that Nevill looks so stressed out and detached from it all.
I wonder if June simply wasn't the maternal type? Perhaps coping with an adopted baby was too much for her?
Possibly Shona. It's one thing wanting a baby but actually having one and suddenly having to cope with all their needs - leaking at both ends and sleepless nights etc - is another thing, and a shock.
I hadn't realised June was sectioned when Sheila was a baby I thought it was in the 1980s.
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Mike, those pictures of the figures in the trees are very good. Not exactly Jeremy ("Jeremy Pictures"), but nice to see them all the same.
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Why thank you, they are all part of my private collection, and I thought I would simply introduce them as a sort of temporary diversion, some of those old photographs which have been posted by Andrea, are wonderful, moving, distressing, and give each and everyone of us a deep insight into the fabric of the family and other actors in this very sad tragedy...
Yes, sometimes a picture can say more than a thousand words - isn´t that the saying?
Really, REALLY thanks a lot Andrea and Mike for the work of scanning and uploading all this and sharing it.
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Mike, those pictures of the figures in the trees are very good. Not exactly Jeremy ("Jeremy Pictures"), but nice to see them all the same.
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Why thank you, they are all part of my private collection, and I thought I would simply introduce them as a sort of temporary diversion, some of those old photographs which have been posted by Andrea, are wonderful, moving, distressing, and give each and everyone of us a deep insight into the fabric of the family and other actors in this very sad tragedy...
Oh, thought we were perhaps meant to be 'seeing' things in these pictures of trees! Time I went to bed I think!
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Remember the thing Colin said Sheila mentioned about June, that she hardly ever hugged her children, her hands just hanging down her sides.
On the photo of her holding baby Sheila, she seems very stiff, not holding the little girl in an embrace. Baby Sheila is like just propped up against June - her arm, seemingly, hanging down her side. The beby looks as if she could need a hug.
Maybe that is a lot to read into a photo. I just get this cold vibe from this photo of June. Nevill looks nice though.
There's all manner of revealling psychodynamics going on beneath the surface of this apparently happy family picture. I get exactly the same cold vibe from this photo, Abs, as you do.
Both June and Nevill look stiff and awkward and June's ultra possessive, almost demonic expression is chilling.
June was sectioned in a psychiatric hospital just a few months after this photograph was taken, wasn't she? She looks to me like a woman with deep problems. Little wonder that Nevill looks so stressed out and detached from it all.
I wonder if June simply wasn't the maternal type? Perhaps coping with an adopted baby was too much for her?
Hi, Shona. Women aren't generally sectioned under the Mental Health Act for merely being non-maternal or for post adoption stress. June was mentally ill, wasn't she?
Yes, I'm sure that you're right, Choch. I just wondered if that was what pushed her over the edge?
Yes, I think you're probably right.
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A mother that carries her own child has 9 months to prepare and the hormones work overtime creating that "maternal instinct".Must be so strange to be given a baby,a stranger and be left to get on with it when you have had no experience watsoever.Maybe Junes problems were that she struggled to bond with Sheila (not being her own child).We tend to fall in love with our own children the moment we set eyes on them after the birth.I wonder how long it takes to "fall in love" with your adopted child?Maybe some never actually do?
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can i just say that the pictures i have posted were from the book "in search of the rainbows end" by colin caffell, i did not take, nor do i own the pictures.
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A mother that carries her own child has 9 months to prepare and the hormones work overtime creating that "maternal instinct".Must be so strange to be given a baby,a stranger and be left to get on with it when you have had no experience watsoever.Maybe Junes problems were that she struggled to bond with Sheila (not being her own child).We tend to fall in love with our own children the moment we set eyes on them after the birth.I wonder how long it takes to "fall in love" with your adopted child?Maybe some never actually do?
I think there's more than a grain of truth in that, Tyler. And yet a large number of adoptive parents do form strong bonds with the children they adopt and love them every bit as much as they would have loved their own children. An uncle and aunt of mine adopted to two children and they were wonderful parents.
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Tyler imagine if June really did feel like that non maternal and then the relatives treated them and called them the cuckoos in the nest. What a horrible situation.
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A mother that carries her own child has 9 months to prepare and the hormones work overtime creating that "maternal instinct".Must be so strange to be given a baby,a stranger and be left to get on with it when you have had no experience watsoever.Maybe Junes problems were that she struggled to bond with Sheila (not being her own child).We tend to fall in love with our own children the moment we set eyes on them after the birth.I wonder how long it takes to "fall in love" with your adopted child?Maybe some never actually do?
I totally agree. And I wonder if June had felt under pressure to produce an heir to secure the Bamber heritage?
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Tyler imagine if June really did feel like that non maternal and then the relatives treated them and called them the cuckoos in the nest. What a horrible situation.
that would have hurt june and neville terribly, did the family actually ever say that to june and neville personally, i hope not.
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i could put the pics of whf that were drawn by the twins, but dont think thats a good idea, would that be going too far? i would like some opinions please.
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A mother that carries her own child has 9 months to prepare and the hormones work overtime creating that "maternal instinct".Must be so strange to be given a baby,a stranger and be left to get on with it when you have had no experience watsoever.Maybe Junes problems were that she struggled to bond with Sheila (not being her own child).We tend to fall in love with our own children the moment we set eyes on them after the birth.I wonder how long it takes to "fall in love" with your adopted child?Maybe some never actually do?
I totally agree. And I wonder if June had felt under pressure to produce an heir to secure the Bamber heritage?
I would think that was very much the case, Shon'. You posted a while back about this 'heir syndrome' among farming families and what you said was very true. Old faming families often have such strong bonds with their land and heritage that all else can be secondary to maintaining the continuity of this heritage.
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i could put the pics of whf that were drawn by the twins, but dont think thats a good idea, would that be going too far? i would like some opinions please.
anybody?
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i could put the pics of whf that were drawn by the twins, but dont think thats a good idea, would that be going too far? i would like some opinions please.
I feel as you do, Andrea, I can't decide.
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i could put the pics of whf that were drawn by the twins, but dont think thats a good idea, would that be going too far? i would like some opinions please.
You'd have to put Colin's comments about them up too, Andy, to make some sense of them.
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no i wont post them, its too private really, even thought they are in the public already i just feel that i shouldnt put them here.
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im regretting posting the pictures i have put up already, i feel a bit shitty because ive done it :(
i said earlier the pics when i look at them in a book dont bother me, but now theyre on here its really got to me and im not sure ive done the right thing to be honest.
The pictures we have seen on here so far have mostly been about the night in question and we have studied and scrutinised them to see what we can "tell" from them. But now the family pics are now along side them its given it a more "human" feel, not just something to pick over. does that make sense :-\
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im regretting posting the pictures i have put up already, i feel a bit shitty because ive done it :(
i said earlier the pics when i look at them in a book dont bother me, but now theyre on here its really got to me and im not sure ive done the right thing to be honest.
The pictures we have seen on here so far have mostly been about the night in question and we have studied and scrutinised them to see what we can "tell" from them. But now the family pics are now along side them its given it a more "human" feel, not just something to pick over. does that make sense :-\
Don't be daft, Andy. The pictures are all out there already, if people want to find them. I, for one, don't ever want to lose the human feel of this case.
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im regretting posting the pictures i have put up already, i feel a bit shitty because ive done it :(
i said earlier the pics when i look at them in a book dont bother me, but now theyre on here its really got to me and im not sure ive done the right thing to be honest.
The pictures we have seen on here so far have mostly been about the night in question and we have studied and scrutinised them to see what we can "tell" from them. But now the family pics are now along side them its given it a more "human" feel, not just something to pick over. does that make sense :-\
Yes, it does make sense, Andrea. I think it's good to see their human dimension, however, I do understand how you feel.
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Andrea, anyone can go to Amazon and purchase the book, thus seeing the pictures.
You haven´t done anything wrong in my opinion.
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Andrea,dont feel bad hun.If Colin felt the pics to be private,he would not have put them out there for public consumption.
Regarding the childrens drawings,I think that they are very chilling,especially coming from children that were only 6 years old.Those poor little boys.It must have been bad enough to witness their mothers decline in her mental health,but the drawings seem to show that it was Junes behaviour that was in actual fact disturbing their little minds :(
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Andrea,dont feel bad hun.If Colin felt the pics to be private,he would not have put them out there for public consumption.
Regarding the childrens drawings,I think that they are very chilling,especially coming from children that were only 6 years old.Those poor little boys.It must have been bad enough to witness their mothers decline in her mental health,but the drawings seem to show that it was Junes behaviour that was in actual fact disturbing their little minds :(
NOW I am curious to see those drawings!
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the pictures are disturbing, especially the one with the sun bleeding or vomiting over whitehouse farm.
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the pictures are disturbing, especially the one with the sun bleeding or vomiting over whitehouse farm.
Isnt there one aswell,of June as the devil and naked?That was weird!
Will have to dig my book back out.
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im regretting posting the pictures i have put up already, i feel a bit shitty because ive done it :(
i said earlier the pics when i look at them in a book dont bother me, but now theyre on here its really got to me and im not sure ive done the right thing to be honest.
The pictures we have seen on here so far have mostly been about the night in question and we have studied and scrutinised them to see what we can "tell" from them. But now the family pics are now along side them its given it a more "human" feel, not just something to pick over. does that make sense :-\
Don't be daft, Andy. The pictures are all out there already, if people want to find them. I, for one, don't ever want to lose the human feel of this case.
You know that I said I'd ordered a copy of Colin's book? I really thought I'd done so, but it turned out that I'd ordered the Lomax book and did not order Colin's. So I shall have to start all over again with that.
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scotts book is a good read choc :)
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scotts book is a good read choc :)
It is a good read, Andrea, though I prefer the Wilkes book so far because Wilkes details the substantial amount of research he did - and I don't doubt that he did this research. I'm critical though of both of these books - and of Shaw's manuscript too - because not one of the authors of these three analyses of the case provides the sort of detailed notes and bibliography of sources that is essential for real credibility.
I accept that these books are not written by academics and that different standards apply to books written outside academia. However, any serious author who wishes to make the sort of claims these three authors do must would make themselves accountable to their readers by detailing their sources. Without such substantiation, their work has less credibility.
At the same time, I can understand why they fail to fully attribute their sources. Detailing sources is of course difficult, time consuming and costly, even under normal circumstances. To do so in respect of a case as complex as this one, which has generated a gigantic paper trail running into millions of documents, would be a nightmare and would probably require the same amount of time that it took to write these books or the manuscript in the first place. Yet none of these books are ever going to make a lot of money and my guess is that a detailed bibliography of the sort I wish to see would probably mean they would make a loss. So I'm really asking too much of these authors.
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the following pictures were drawn by daniel and given by daniel to colins mother, just a few weeks before the twins died, daniel was emphatic that his gran kept the pictures and make them into a book.
Colin didnt see the pictures until six months after the shootings. They are pictures of whitehouse farm and june.
this picture shows the sun over whitehouse whf farm, with red pouring from its mouth
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this picture is of june, her teeth are bared and she red gushing from her head in several places, colin believes the pictures show anxiety around the house itself.
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that picture seems to say more than a thousand words could about the little boys views on June.
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Sheila and Jeremy were beautiful children.
Oh, God, the picture of Nevill with the twins brought tears to my eyes. It puts it all into perspective seeing those pictures.
It's heartbreaking to look at some of these pictures.
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Thank you so much for posting the photographs and drawings, andrea.
I have the book by Colin Caffell too and I think that the illustrations add
depth and dimension to the tragic events of 1985.
How about posting the full set of Daniel's drawings here?
They are so chilling especially when viewed as the book that he wanted them to
be made into!
Why oh why did the twins ever get taken back to Whitehouse Farm?
I say this because Sheila reportedly declined still further after each of her visits
their and the boys were in tears about the way June made them pray even when
they were brushing their teeth.
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another of whf
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Crying sun, crying son, very sad :(
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Thanks for posting the drawings too. I think they give the twins a voice. It is important to look at them - they reflect the insanity and sadness at White House Farm. Poor, poor little boys, no one to protect them.
P.S. you have to wonder even more about how Ann Eaton can live at this place after seeing those drawings. Those two precious little boys were killed there.
There was a lot of tragedy connected to the house I grew up in in Iceland - so much that finally no one would buy the house, so the city did and turned it into a kindergarten. Nothing as bad as what happened at WHF, but still people didn´t want to live in that house. I can´t imagine how it is bringing your children up in a place like that. Hartley has even said that some of the items from back then are still in the house. Eerie.
P.P.S. Those drawings are cries for help - no one listened.
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colin listened, i wish he had gave the letter to ralph that he wrote, things were far from ideal for the twins as the letter shows.