Jeremy Bamber Forum
JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Adam on June 21, 2026, 05:55:AM
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'Yes, in 1985, a standard home telephone would ring continuously until the caller hung up. Landline networks did not have time-outs, meaning there was no automated voicemail to pick up the call. The phone would ring indefinitely unless someone answered or the caller gave up'.
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Seems Jeremy had the option of answering his own call. This has previously been in dispute.
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AI -
Yes, ringer volume controls were common on electronic and digital push-button phones by 1985. Whether it was a physical switch (Low/High/Off) or a rotary dial on the base, manufacturers—such as British Telecom (BT) in the UK and Western Electric in the US—routinely included these to let users manage their electronic ringers.
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This also shows the neighbours would not hear a continuously ringing phone.
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Jeremy answering his own phone. A good option for him.
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Jeremy answering his own phone. A good option for him.
So why create a gap between picking up his own call from WHF and when he calls the police?
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So why create a gap between picking up his own call from WHF and when he calls the police?
It would be a 15 minute gap. Where he called Julie & freshened up.
Telling the police he was trying to ring dad back & looking through Yellow Pages.
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It would be a 15 minute gap. Where he called Julie & freshened up.
Telling the police he was trying to ring dad back & looking through Yellow Pages.
He answered his own call so please explain why he creates a gap between when he says Nevil called and when he called the police.
He could have called back around 2 minutes later when the line cleared.
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He answered his own call so please explain why he creates a gap between when he says Nevil called and when he called the police.
He could have called back around 2 minutes later when the line cleared.
He says -
He tried to call dad back.
He rang Julie.
He looked through Yellow Pages.
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I do agree he rang Julie. To tell her 'everything is going well'.
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He says -
He tried to call dad back.
He rang Julie.
He looked through Yellow Pages.
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I do agree he rang Julie. To tell her 'everything is going well'.
So we can rule out JB answering his own call, otherwise there would only have been a few minutes gap between Nevil calling and JB calling the police.
Thanks Adam glad we sorted that out.
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So we can rule out JB answering his own call, otherwise there would only have been a few minutes gap between Nevil calling and JB calling the police.
Thanks Adam glad we sorted that out.
15 minutes from 'around 3.10am' is a few minutes.
Agree ringing his AM was also a good option.
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The old " He didn't call 999 hes gulity "
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Don't see how calling GH from WHF would cover or benefit him.
There's going to be a gap to explain either way.
If he genuinely believed calls could be traced.
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Don't see how calling GH from WHF would cover or benefit him.
There's going to be a gap to explain either way.
If he genuinely believed calls could be traced.
If he thought calls could be traced he had to either call his AM or answer his own call.
The gap would be shorter if he answered his own call.
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Either way all he had to do was phone his cottage from WHF. Which will take a few seconds. Or rather minutes on those rotary phones.
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If he thought calls could be traced he had to either call his AM or answer his own call.
The gap would be shorter if he answered his own call.
Risky.
Phone blaring out thin walls small cottage etc, risk of waking the neighbour.
If the neighbour sees him entering his property he's fucked.
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The gap would be shorter if he answered his own call.
He was lambasted by the prosecution at trial for not phoning 999 and leafing through a yellow pages for the number or Chelmsford police station. This is all times approx and without telecom evidence.
If telecom evidence had existed and it would have, shown a gap however small the police would have used it against him in my opinion. Probably if anything saying " You made a fake call, yourself "
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Risky.
Phone blaring out thin walls small cottage etc, risk of waking the neighbour.
If the neighbour sees him entering his property he's fucked.
Please read reply 1. I have said this before with sources.
Agree it is better if no one sees him enter his property. Impossible if cycling as GH had no street lighting.
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Please read reply 1. I have said this before with sources.
Agree it is better if no one sees him enter his property. Impossible if cycling as GH had no street lighting.
I've read it.
This guy forgot to throw a, silencer away and told a woman he planned to dump his murderous plans.
A stretch to suggest he'd turn his phone down.
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He was lambasted by the prosecution at trial for not phoning 999 and leafing through a yellow pages for the number or Chelmsford police station. This is all times approx and without telecom evidence.
If telecom evidence had existed and it would have, shown a gap however small the police would have used it against him in my opinion. Probably if anything saying " You made a fake call, yourself "
If call times could be traced, the 16 minute gap between answering his own call and ringing the police can be covered.
Ringing his AM, the gap would be longer.
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I can see where Adams coming from.
But a gap for me especially a timestamped one would come under heavy scrutiny.
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If call times could be traced, the 16 minute gap between answering his own call and ringing the police can be covered.
Ringing his AM, the gap would be longer.
It took DI Wilkinson 35 minutes to cycle the sea wall. You believe Jeremy went via the sea wall.
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I've read it.
This guy forgot to throw a, silencer away and told a woman he planned to dump his murderous plans.
A stretch to suggest he'd turn his phone down.
He would put the volume on silent if he had decided to answer his own call.
Pity he didn't know about back spatter.
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It took DI Wilkinson 35 minutes to cycle the sea wall. You believe Jeremy went via the sea wall.
Answering his own call at 'around 3.10am' and then ringing the police at 3.26am can be covered.
Letting his AM answer will mean a longer gap.
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It took DI Wilkinson 35 minutes to cycle the sea wall. You believe Jeremy went via the sea wall.
EP, the relatives & many guilters believe he cycled The Sea Wall. Believe it would take 15 mins going at a good pace. As Julie's WS says.
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I can see where Adams coming from.
But a gap for me especially a timestamped one would come under heavy scrutiny.
No ILB Adam is saying JB rings his phone from WHF lets it ring till he cycles back to his cottage then answers it when he is ready.
So there would be no gap between the two calls, just 2 minutes or so while the line resets .
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No ILB Adam is saying JB rings his phone from WHF lets it ring till he cycles back to his cottage then answers it when he is ready.
So there would be no gap between the two calls, just 2 minutes or so while the line resets .
Minutes until the phone re sets.
He then rang Julie to tell her 'everything is going well'.
He said he then looked through Yello Pages. As you do!
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I've read it.
This guy forgot to throw a, silencer away and told a woman he planned to dump his murderous plans.
A stretch to suggest he'd turn his phone down.
It was to rope her in as an accessory. He claimed Nevill telephoned at 3:10 and he, Jeremy, telephoned police at 3:26, a time he later put back to 3:36. Why, in an emergency situation, is there a time lag?
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EP, the relatives & many guilters believe he cycled The Sea Wall. Believe it would take 15 mins going at a good pace. As Julie's WS says.
But DI Wilkinson undertook it and recorded it took him 35 minutes.
In fairness you would have compare the fitness levels of Jeremy Bamber and DI Wilkinson
Maybe Jane can answer as she lives in the vicinity.
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No ILB Adam is saying JB rings his phone from WHF lets it ring till he cycles back to his cottage then answers it when he is ready.
So there would be no gap between the two calls, just 2 minutes or so while the line resets .
But doesn't telecom show call made, and call connected if this is JBs thinking?
JB has to to have his goldhanger phone on the cradle.
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AI -
'In 1985, BT could not routinely track how long a phone rang before being answered'.
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Helpful to Jeremy.
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In 1985 Jeremy had everything available to answer his own call. If he chose to.
Phones that can be put on silent when ringing.
A call that won't be cut off.
BT not able to track how long a phone rang before being answered.
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People say he would not have investigated beforehand whether calls could be tracked. As it was too risky.
Not sure about that. But if true & he was not sure, he would try to cover himself with an answered call from WHF to GH.
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People say he would not have investigated beforehand whether calls could be tracked. As it was too risky.
Not sure about that. But if true & he was not sure, he would try to cover himself with an answered call from WHF to GH.
What about his 'everything is going well' call to Julie, Adam?
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What about his 'everything is going well' call to Julie, Adam?
Good point
Kind of undermines the whole theory.
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Why telephone Julie at all..
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Good point
Kind of undermines the whole theory.
Its never made any kind of sense to me that JB would have dreamt of phoning Julie and a house full of witnesse's at 3.00 in the morning and go on to tell the police that his dad phoned at 3.10, ILB!
That would be game over right away.
What the heck kind of planning is that?
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Its never made any kind of sense to me that JB would have dreamt of phoning Julie and a house full of witnesse's at 3.00 in the morning and go on to tell the police that his dad phoned at 3.10, ILB!
That would be game over right away.
What the heck kind of planning is that?
He was on a high. Remember, he wasn't sure whether he could kill them all, being squeamish by nature. e had to practise on rats..
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What about his 'everything is going well' call to Julie, Adam?
What about it?
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All the attempted obstacles regarding answering his own phone have been answered -
The neighbours would hear a ringing phone - Put the phone on mute/silent.
The call would cut off - It would not.
BT could track how long the phone rang for - It could not.
Why wait so long to call the police - 15 minutes is ok.
He would forget to put his phone on silent - He wouldn't.
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Answering his own call would be likely if he did not know if calls could be tracked.
If he was 70% certain calls could not be tracked, he may still answer his own call. It is not difficult to arrange.
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He was on a high. Remember, he wasn't sure whether he could kill them all, being squeamish by nature. e had to practise on rats..
The thing is .Steve, this seems to be a discussion about how JB could single handedly manipulate phone calls to give himself an alibi?
I mean look at it this way, Adam says that JB may have phoned his AM to fake a call from Nevill then rush home as fast as he could to phone the police so that there isn't a large time span between the two calls?
So it follows that JB may have indeed phoned his cottage from WHF around 3.05-3-10 and then rushed home to phone the police around 3.25, right?
So how could JB have even phoned Julie from his cottage around 3.00 when he wasn't even there till around 3.20-25?
Are we saying that JB phoned Julie at 3.00 from WHF? So much for the calls being traced then?
Or we can argue that JB actually left WHF around 2.45 and got back to his cottage around 3.00 and phoned Julie? But if so, this means he must have called his cottage around 2.45 but went on to tell the police that his dad phoned at 3.10, right? Meaning around a 45 minute time span between phoning his cottage and phoning the police? How could he explain that, Steve?
And if we go back to rushing home to keep the time span as tight as possible between the two calls, why then did he rush home only to call Julie at 3.00 and then wait almost another half hour to phone the police around 3.30?
Its just nonsense!!!
If you think it all through, a phone call to Julie from Goldhanger at 3.00 isn't only stupid, in my opinion its darned near impossible, Steve!
Impossible if you go through a guilt scenario time line! Impossible.
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The thing is .Steve, this seems to be a discussion about how JB could single handedly manipulate phone calls to give himself an alibi?
I mean look at it this way, Adam says that JB may have phoned his AM to fake a call from Nevill then rush home as fast as he could to phone the police so that there isn't a large time span between the two calls?
So it follows that JB may have indeed phoned his cottage from WHF around 3.05-3-10 and then rushed home to phone the police around 3.25, right?
So how could JB have even phoned Julie from his cottage around 3.00 when he wasn't even there till around 3.20-25?
Are we saying that JB phoned Julie at 3.00 from WHF? So much for the calls being traced then?
Or we can argue that JB actually left WHF around 2.45 and got back to his cottage around 3.00 and phoned Julie? But if so, this means he must have called his cottage around 2.45 but went on to tell the police that his dad phoned at 3.10, right? Meaning around a 45 minute time span between phoning his cottage and phoning the police? How could he explain that, Steve?
And if we go back to rushing home to keep the time span as tight as possible between the two calls, why then did he rush home only to call Julie at 3.00 and then wait almost another half hour to phone the police around 3.30?
Its just nonsense!!!
If you think it all through, a phone call to Julie from Goldhanger at 3.00 isn't only stupid, in my opinion its darned near impossible, Steve!
Impossible if you go through a guilt scenario time line! Impossible.
This thread is about him answering his own call.
He told the police Nevill rang him 'around 3.10am'. So that time can be moved.
Seems he phoned Julie around the same time.
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Think Snow is getting confused again. No one has suggested he rang Julie from WHF.
He rang GH from WHF.
Cycled back and answered his own call.
Then rang Julie and Chelmsford Police.
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Think Snow is getting confused again. No one has suggested he rang Julie from WHF.
He rang GH from WHF.
Cycled back and answered his own call.
Then rang Julie and Chelmsford Police.
The point is, when did he get back to Goldhanger, Adam?
And what do you mean answered his own call? Do you mean the phone was ringing in his house for over quarter an hour while he biked home from WHF? If so, what time did he get home to answer it?
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The point is, when did he get back to Goldhanger, Adam?
And what do you mean answered his own call? Do you mean the phone was ringing in his house for over quarter an hour while he biked home from WHF? If so, what time did he get home to answer it?
Yes his phone would ring until he got back. As my thread post says.
Do not know what time he answered it. Just know he rang the police at 3.26am.
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Yes his phone would ring until he got back. As my thread post says.
Do not know what time he answered it. Just know he rang the police at 3.26am.
But even if JB did go home and answer his phone, it follows that he must have phoned Julie 'afterwards', right?
And seeing JB told the police his dad phoned about 3.10 cant we assume that this was the time he actually answered the phone when he got back from WHF, Adam? Especially if he thought the calls could be traced?
So again, this proves that JB could not have phoned Julie until after he answered his own call at 3.10, right?
So no matter how you look at it, it was nigh on impossible for JB to call Julie at 3.00, and the defense should have been able to prove this?
Of course you could argue that JB did indeed get back to Goldhanger before 3.00 and answered his phone before phoning Julie, but that makes zero sense, we're back to the senseless scenario of rushing home and leaving it half an hour before phoning the police, and why in the name of god would he tell the police his dad phoned at 3.10 after JB had rushed home and answered it before 3.00?
And again why oh why would he phone Julie at 3.00 and tell the police his dad phoned at 3.10?
Its just utter nonsense!
I will say again, a phone call to Julie from Goldhanger around 3.00 was virtually impossible, Adam? Goodnight, sir!
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But even if JB did go home and answer his phone, it follows that he must have phoned Julie 'afterwards', right?
And seeing JB told the police his dad phoned about 3.10 cant we assume that this was the time he actually answered the phone when he got back from WHF, Adam? Especially if he thought the calls could be traced?
So again, this proves that JB could not have phoned Julie until after he answered his own call at 3.10, right?
So no matter how you look at it, it was nigh on impossible for JB to call Julie at 3.00, and the defense should have been able to prove this?
Of course you could argue that JB did indeed get back to Goldhanger before 3.00 and answered his phone before phoning Julie, but that makes zero sense, we're back to the senseless scenario of rushing home and leaving it half an hour before phoning the police, and why in the name of god would he tell the police his dad phoned at 3.10 after JB had rushed home and answered it before 3.00?
And again why oh why would he phone Julie at 3.00 and tell the police his dad phoned at 3.10?
Its just utter nonsense!
I will say again, a phone call to Julie from Goldhanger around 3.00 was virtually impossible, Adam? Goodnight, sir!
Agree Jerrmy would ring Julie after he picked up his call.
If he rang Julie at 3.00am, then he picked up his call before then. Although supporters claim he rang her as late as 3.30am.
Whatever time he rang her, he told EP Nevill rang him at 'around 3.10am'.
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Ringing JM was just crazy from his perspective. Someone in a shared house.
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The thing is .Steve, this seems to be a discussion about how JB could single handedly manipulate phone calls to give himself an alibi?
I mean look at it this way, Adam says that JB may have phoned his AM to fake a call from Nevill then rush home as fast as he could to phone the police so that there isn't a large time span between the two calls?
So it follows that JB may have indeed phoned his cottage from WHF around 3.05-3-10 and then rushed home to phone the police around 3.25, right?
So how could JB have even phoned Julie from his cottage around 3.00 when he wasn't even there till around 3.20-25?
Are we saying that JB phoned Julie at 3.00 from WHF? So much for the calls being traced then?
Or we can argue that JB actually left WHF around 2.45 and got back to his cottage around 3.00 and phoned Julie? But if so, this means he must have called his cottage around 2.45 but went on to tell the police that his dad phoned at 3.10, right? Meaning around a 45 minute time span between phoning his cottage and phoning the police? How could he explain that, Steve?
And if we go back to rushing home to keep the time span as tight as possible between the two calls, why then did he rush home only to call Julie at 3.00 and then wait almost another half hour to phone the police around 3.30?
Its just nonsense!!!
If you think it all through, a phone call to Julie from Goldhanger at 3.00 isn't only stupid, in my opinion its darned near impossible, Steve!
Impossible if you go through a guilt scenario time line! Impossible.
I agree with you Snow, it's not much use talking to Adam and co they cannot bring themselves to answer honestly. Steve still going about rats have you ever tried to get near one! and they don't get high eating can plants.
If JB says Nevil called at 3.10 then as JB thought calls were traceable then either that is when he rang his AM from WHF or he picks up his own call when he gets back to his cottage.
If he picks up his own call then there is no reason on earth why when the line clears he does not ring the police approx 2 minutes latter. So he must have rang his AM but why does JM not mention he had one?
The whole case makes no sense, unless it was suicide?
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I agree with you Snow, it's not much use talking to Adam and co they cannot bring themselves to answer honestly. Steve still going about rats have you ever tried to get near one! and they don't get high eating can plants.
If JB says Nevil called at 3.10 then as JB thought calls were traceable then either that is when he rang his AM from WHF or he picks up his own call when he gets back to his cottage.
If he picks up his own call then there is no reason on earth why when the line clears he does not ring the police approx 2 minutes latter. So he must have rang his AM but why does JM not mention he had one?
The whole case makes no sense, unless it was suicide?
Did not understand most of that.
His CT TikTok account say he had an AM I did post the link over a year ago. You need to accept it.
This thread is about him answering his own call.
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Going by the different information, a timeline can be -
Answers his own call at 2.55am.
Rang Julie at 3.00am.
Rang Chelmsford Police at 3.26am.
Tells EP Nevill rang him 'around 3.10am'.
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If EP say Nevill rang you at 2.55am, he can say he got the time wrong as half asleep.
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Did not understand most of that.
His CT TikTok account say he had an AM I did post the link over a year ago. You need to accept it.
This thread is about him answering his own call.
I am talking about you saying he answers his own call as you well know.
So in this scenario why does he delay ringing the police?
A proper reply would be nice for once.
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Ringing JM was just crazy from his perspective. Someone in a shared house.
Only if he phoned her around 3.00, which seems highly unlikely, ILB.
Even if guilty its highly unlikely he got back to his cottage before 3.10.
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Going by the different information, a timeline can be -
Answers his own call at 2.55am.
Rang Julie at 3.00am.
Rang Chelmsford Police at 3.26am.
Tells EP Nevill rang him 'around 3.10am'.
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If EP say Nevill rang you at 2.55am, he can say he got the time wrong as half asleep.
Ha ha! Rings Julie at 3.00 and tells the police his dad phoned at 3.10, was he intentionally trying to cut his own throat, Adam?
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I agree with you Snow, it's not much use talking to Adam and co they cannot bring themselves to answer honestly. Steve still going about rats have you ever tried to get near one! and they don't get high eating can plants.
If JB says Nevil called at 3.10 then as JB thought calls were traceable then either that is when he rang his AM from WHF or he picks up his own call when he gets back to his cottage.
If he picks up his own call then there is no reason on earth why when the line clears he does not ring the police approx 2 minutes latter. So he must have rang his AM but why does JM not mention he had one?
The whole case makes no sense, unless it was suicide?
Yes, a call to Julie at 3.00 just doesn't fit into any scenario as far as I can see, Rob, guilt or otherwise. Doesn't really matter if JB was stoned or not, that doesn't change the known time line.
Although all we have set in stone is the call/s to the police around 3.25-35, everything before that is speculation, although the police tried their best to set the time of JBs call to Julie at 3.00, even though Julies first statement places the call around 3.15.
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Ha ha! Rings Julie at 3.00 and tells the police his dad phoned at 3.10, was he intentionally trying to cut his own throat, Adam?
Jeremy has been all over the place on everything. Which is why he has been in prison for 41 years.
I gave that timeline as 2 people said he rang Julie at 3.00am. But here is another one for you -
Answers his own call at 3.10am
Calls Julie at 3.15am
Calls Chelmsford Police at 3.26am.
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Simple.
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Jeremy has been all over the place on everything. Which is why he has been in prison for 41 years.
I gave that timeline as 2 people said he rang Julie at 3.00am. But here is another one for you -
Answers his own call at 3.10am
Calls Julie at 3.15am
Calls Chelmsford Police at 3.26am.
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Simple.
Why does a guilty man who has just killed 5 people not call the police as soon as the line clears?
If you cannot give a logical reason we need to assume he never answered his own call.
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I do agree Jeremy would have needed to know whether BT could track calls.
I do not agree that he would consider it too risky to investigate himself beforehand.
Either way, if he was not 100% sure calls could not be tracked, he would have wanted to cover himself. The best way to do that was by answering his own call.
The police did say he 'rang his cottage'. Julie's WS also says he planned to phone his cottage.
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Why does a guilty man who has just killed 5 people not call the police as soon as the line clears?
If you cannot give a logical reason we need to assume he never answered his own call.
3.10am - answers his own call.
The next 16 minutes he called Julie, freshened up, changed clothes, composed himself & looked through Yellow Pages.
Not sure what the problem is.
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Jeremy has been all over the place on everything. Which is why he has been in prison for 41 years.
I gave that timeline as 2 people said he rang Julie at 3.00am. But here is another one for you -
Answers his own call at 3.10am
Calls Julie at 3.15am
Calls Chelmsford Police at 3.26am.
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Simple.
Yes, thats more like it, Adam.
So can we rule out a call to Julie at 3.00 as claimed by the prosecution?
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I'm a guilter & don't think Jeremy's self imposed 16 minute gap is incriminating!:
He has said himself he -"
Rang Julie.
Tried ringing dad back.
Looked through Yello Pages.
Tried to ring Withham.
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Yes, thats more like it, Adam.
So can we rule out a call to Julie at 3.00 as claimed by the prosecution?
I think it's quite possible he rang Julie at 3.00am. As SB & HE said. Then told the police Nevill rang him 'around 3.10am.
Jeremy is not the sharpest tool in the box.
But appreciate you believe my other timeline.
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I'm a guilter & don't think Jeremy's self imposed 16 minute gap is incriminating!:
He has said himself he -"
Rang Julie.
Tried ringing dad back.
Looked through Yello Pages.
Tried to ring Withham.
Oh come on you have been going on for years about searching through Yellow pages!
If he answers his own call he would immediately ring the police as soon as the line clears assuming he is guilty. If innocent I agree no rush.
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Oh come on you have been going on for years about searching through Yellow pages!
If he answers his own call he would immediately ring the police as soon as the line clears assuming he is guilty. If innocent I agree no rush.
There is a 16 minute gap from 'around 3.10am' to 3.26am.
Bamber has given a list of things he did during that time.
Guilters have a different list.
Both sides agree he phoned Julie during this time window.
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Seems that Rob thinks Jeremy's 'around 3.10am' is wrong. Nevill calling him nearer 3.26am.
Jeremy would still need several minutes to 'try to call dad back', ring Julie, look through Yellow Pages & call Witham.
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Seems Rob believes there should have been a 12 minute gap between Nevill"s call & ringing the police -
2 mins to wait for the line to clear.
2 mins to try to call dad back.
2 mins to ring Julie.
2 mins to look through Yellow Pages for Witham. .
2 mins to ring Witham.
2 mins to look through Yello Pages for Chelmsford.
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I don't believe 16 minutes from 'around 3.10am' incriminates Jeremy.
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Oh come on you have been going on for years about searching through Yellow pages!
If he answers his own call he would immediately ring the police as soon as the line clears assuming he is guilty. If innocent I agree no rush.
But that was Jeremy's own admission, Rob. How do you explain the time lag between him receiving Nevill's call and him bothering to inform police?
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But that was Jeremy's own admission, Rob. How do you explain the time lag between him receiving Nevill's call and him bothering to inform police?
Rob is saying Jeremy should have rang the police within a minute or two.
So is saying Jeremy lied about the 6 things he said he did. Listed in reply 64.
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But that was Jeremy's own admission, Rob. How do you explain the time lag between him receiving Nevill's call and him bothering to inform police?
I am simply rebutting Adams theory JB answered his own call Steve.
Surely it's a no brainer JB would call the police approx 2 minutes after the line cleared if guilty, why create a 15 minute gap for no reason?
It's time Adam stopped all this nonsense, he cannot give a logical reason so floods the forum with total rubbish.
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I am simply rebutting Adams theory JB answered his own call Steve.
Surely it's a no brainer JB would call the police approx 2 minutes after the line cleared if guilty, why create a 15 minute gap for no reason?
It's time Adam stopped all this nonsense, he cannot give a logical reason so floods the forum with total rubbish.
I dont know if a phone will ring indefinitely or not, Rob, well in 1985 anyway, but if it could, why didn't JB bike home, wash etc, 'and only then' answer his own call?
As you say, to avoid suspicion why leave a gap between the the call he made from WHF and his call to the police?