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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Bubo bubo on January 04, 2026, 11:43:AM
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It seems that objects like the table which were next to the cupboard have been moved and there are none of the non firearms paraphernalia dart boards etc present.
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It seems that objects like the table which were next to the cupboard have been moved and there are none of the non firearms paraphernalia dart boards etc present.
It is weird. Why take a picture of an empty cupboard if it is as you first found it. The only other explanation is if you wished it to be an after picture showing you have emptied it. In which case where is the before picture?
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I don't think Bird photographed the interior of the gun cupboard Bubo? he said that he never put his head inside as there was stuff in front of it as the top photograph shows. Well that is what he said in his COLP statement.
If the silencer is on the rifle it looks very tight to get the rifle in the cupboard judging by the length of the shotgun nearby?
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There will be before photos. Just not on this forum.
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There is no lock on the gun cupboard.
The carnage the police found inside WHF, be easier for Bamber to suggest Sheila had taken a rifle out of the gun cupboard. Rather than give a convoluted rabbit story.
Sheila sure knew her way around WHF with the rifle, so would have known where they were kept.
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He would have thought of the rabbit story beforehand & started insinuating it straight away.
He didn't have time for a re think.
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The photos show how high and deep the cupboard is. Does not show how much further to the right it goes.
A couple more feet to the right & can see why he felt a silencer in a box behind a dart board & other items was safe.
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It is weird. Why take a picture of an empty cupboard if it is as you first found it. The only other explanation is if you wished it to be an after picture showing you have emptied it. In which case where is the before picture?
I believe the 2nd photo you have posted was taken at a later date.
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One things for sure, if JB replaced the silencer in the cupboard that night it couldn't have been easy unless he moved that table and chair out of the way.
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If he realised on the night the rifle with silencer was too long for Sheila, no surprise his natural reaction was 'take it off & put it away'.
Rob has always said Bamber would have been 'home free' if he had left the silencer next to Sheila.
Not if the experts tested the blood in it.
There was also other evidence against him.
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If he knew beforehand the rifle with silencer was too long for Sheila, perfectly plausible he had decided to put it back in it's box after use. He had to go downstairs anyway.
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His big mistake wasn't not putting the silencer back. But not putting it under a tap beforehand.
Wet blood, paint & the grey hair would have been washed down the sink.
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His other big mistake was not staying around WHF for long enough.
Not only did the relatives have access to WHF, even BW & Basil Cock were wandering around.
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Another mistake was allowing Brett to come on board so quickly. Julie got itchy feet soon afterwards.
Getting through over a month with no silencer or Julie defection would have been a good first month for him.
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If he realised on the night the rifle with silencer was too long for Sheila, no surprise his natural reaction was 'take it off & put it away'.
Rob has always said Bamber would have been 'home free' if he had left the silencer next to Sheila.
Not if the experts tested the blood in it.
There was also other evidence against him.
It would then need to be explained why Sheila needed a silencer
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It would then need to be explained why Sheila needed a silencer
He could say he went out to shoot rabbits with silencer attached. Which is more plausible than saying he went out minus silencer.
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Lots of mistakes by Jeremy. Before, during and afterwards.
That is why people are in prison. Mistakes & good detective work.
Jeremy's been battling for 41 years. But always going to be hard for him with incriminating evidence coming at him from all directions.
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Lots of mistakes by Jeremy. Before, during and afterwards.
That is why people are in prison. Mistakes & good detective work.
Jeremy's been battling for 41 years. But always going to be hard for him with incriminating evidence coming at him from all directions.
Dealt the hand you have to play it.
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His big mistake wasn't not putting the silencer back. But not putting it under a tap beforehand.
Wet blood, paint & the grey hair would have been washed down the sink.
But you see, Adam, you're kind of going round in circles in a way!
You say JB used the silencer and shot Sheila, but then you say he couldn't just leave the silencer beside Sheila because the police would test it and find her blood in it! Fair enough, thats a good point!
But!!!! If JB had worked out that Sheila's blood may be inside the silencer, why indeed didn't he clean it before returning it to the cupboard?? Knowing that if the police found it, it may still be tested?
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His big mistake wasn't not putting the silencer back. But not putting it under a tap beforehand.
Wet blood, paint & the grey hair would have been washed down the sink.
His big mistake was contemplating the crime in the first instance. Then carrying it out.
He would have had a comfortable life had he not done what he is convicted of doing.
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I believe the 2nd photo you have posted was taken at a later date.
When? By who? Why? Either DB is lying or somebody emptied the cupboard.
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But you see, Adam, you're kind of going round in circles in a way!
You say JB used the silencer and shot Sheila, but then you say he couldn't just leave the silencer beside Sheila because the police would test it and find her blood in it! Fair enough, thats a good point!
But!!!! If JB had worked out that Sheila's blood may be inside the silencer, why indeed didn't he clean it before returning it to the cupboard?? Knowing that if the police found it, it may still be tested?
Not washing the silencer was a mistake. Whether he left it beside Sheila or in the gun cupboard.
More likely for the blood to get tested if it was next to Sheila. To determine who received contact shots.
It only got tested from the gun cupboard because the relatives went searching. Jeremy must take some of the blame for that as he could have stayed around.
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Not washing the silencer was a mistake. Whether he left it beside Sheila or in the gun cupboard.
More likely for the blood to get tested if it was next to Sheila. To determine who received contact shots.
It only got tested from the gun cupboard because the relatives went searching. Jeremy must take some of the blame for that as he could have stayed around.
Some of the blame? If guilty, he was a complete bampot! he told the police that a silencer existed for the rifle within hours of the murders taking place! Extraordinary, Adam!
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The main mistakes he made with the silencer were -
Saying he went out to shoot rabbits minus silencer.
Not washing it before putting it away.
Not staying around WHF for longer.
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Points 2 & 3 are mistakes because he was not aware of back spatter & that the rifle had aquired paint.
Putting the silencer away would not have been a mistake if he had washed it first.
Still should have stayed around longer & been the only person going in & out of WHF.
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The main mistakes he made with the silencer were -
Saying he went out to shoot rabbits minus silencer.
Not washing it before putting it away.
Not staying around WHF for longer.
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Points 2 & 3 are mistakes because he was not aware of back spatter & that the rifle had aquired paint.
Putting the silencer away would not have been a mistake if he had washed it first.
Still should have stayed around longer & been the only person going in & out of WHF.
But there you go again, Adam! If he wasn't aware of backspatter, why not leave the silencer beside Sheila?
You could say, well he had shot all the victims at close range and had quite rightly concluded that some of their blood may have got onto the outside of the silencer at least! But again, why return it to the gun cupboard without cleaning it? Makes no sense!
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But you see, Adam, you're kind of going round in circles in a way!
You say JB used the silencer and shot Sheila, but then you say he couldn't just leave the silencer beside Sheila because the police would test it and find her blood in it! Fair enough, thats a good point!
But!!!! If JB had worked out that Sheila's blood may be inside the silencer, why indeed didn't he clean it before returning it to the cupboard?? Knowing that if the police found it, it may still be tested?
Leaving the silencer beside Sheila would guarantee it was taken by the police, and examined and treated as evidence. Putting it back in the cupboard reduces this. He may well have thought it was clean enough, or that removing it from the scene was sufficient. The question is…….. do you think Sheila put the silencer back in the cupboard herself?
You also have to remember, Glynis Howard reported minute staining, we’re talking fractions here and not as obvious to someone in panic and in a hurry, it is precisely the sort of size in staining someone could believe they had wiped away and he wouldn’t have known or seen the blood inside the silence.
Leaving it out makes it obvious and would demand an explanation, putting it away requires little explanation (I left the rifle out minus the silencer) it would only then become evidence if it was suspected as being used. So forget the blood for a minute Snow, someone trying to stage a scene would not leave out objects that would draw attention, the silencer laying beside Sheila would most certainly have drawn attention and raise Questions in my opinion?
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But there you go again, Adam! If he wasn't aware of backspatter, why not leave the silencer beside Sheila?
You could say, well he had shot all the victims at close range and had quite rightly concluded that some of their blood may have got onto the outside of the silencer at least! But again, why return it to the gun cupboard without cleaning it? Makes no sense!
How do you know he didn’t clean it? He left minute traces hardly visible and not soaked in blood, Bamber had two options, leave it out or put it away. Putting it away almost worked, leaving it out would only have raised questions much earlier.
Your talking in hindsight Snow, it’s easy after saying he wouldn’t and should have done this, this was real time and his plan had to be altered….. We’re talking about a killer acting in panic, someone who suddenly realised the silencer made the rifle too long for Sheila to have shot herself, and had already used two shots, one more than intended, and was now trying to make it look like a suicide. People given that situation don’t think perfectly, they do make mistakes.
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But there you go again, Adam! If he wasn't aware of backspatter, why not leave the silencer beside Sheila?
You could say, well he had shot all the victims at close range and had quite rightly concluded that some of their blood may have got onto the outside of the silencer at least! But again, why return it to the gun cupboard without cleaning it? Makes no sense!
Why would Sheila, if she'd just murdered her entire family, prior to committing suicide, bother to hide evidence of what she'd done? That makes even less sense!
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But there you go again, Adam! If he wasn't aware of backspatter, why not leave the silencer beside Sheila?
You could say, well he had shot all the victims at close range and had quite rightly concluded that some of their blood may have got onto the outside of the silencer at least! But again, why return it to the gun cupboard without cleaning it? Makes no sense!
No no, what i've said there is just nonsense! It obviously wouldn't matter whose blood was on, or inside the silencer except Sheila's!
If it was found beside Sheila that is!
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Leaving the silencer beside Sheila would guarantee it was taken by the police, and examined and treated as evidence. Putting it back in the cupboard reduces this. He may well have thought it was clean enough, or that removing it from the scene was sufficient. The question is…….. do you think Sheila put the silencer back in the cupboard herself?
You also have to remember, Glynis Howard reported minute staining, we’re talking fractions here and not as obvious to someone in panic and in a hurry, it is precisely the sort of size in staining someone could believe they had wiped away and he wouldn’t have known or seen the blood inside the silence.
Leaving it out makes it obvious and would demand an explanation, putting it away requires little explanation (I left the rifle out minus the silencer) it would only then become evidence if it was suspected as being used. So forget the blood for a minute Snow, someone trying to stage a scene would not leave out objects that would draw attention, the silencer laying beside Sheila would most certainly have drawn attention and raise Questions in my opinion?
Not sure about JB being in a hurry, HB? Not if he heated something up to burn Nevill!
Thinking about it, it seems a bit absurd to use the silencer at all and then hide it, after all, any human blood found on it would mean that it had been used, wouldn't it?
Nevill, June, Sheila the boys, it wouldn't matter!
Did JB really think that telling the police that the gun was left out without the silencer would suffice?
Very peculliar indeed!
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Why would Sheila, if she'd just murdered her entire family, prior to committing suicide, bother to hide evidence of what she'd done? That makes even less sense!
lWell, it was claimed it may have been ritualistic rather than hiding evidence I believe,Jane!
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lWell, it was claimed it may have been ritualistic rather than hiding evidence I believe,Jane!
Was it? I know changing clothes, washing, can be ritualistic -although given the numerous descriptions of Sheila during her last fortnight, personal hygiene didn't come high up the list- but I've yet to hear that placing silencers at the back of gun cupboards fits the same bill.
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No no, what i've said there is just nonsense! It obviously wouldn't matter whose blood was on, or inside the silencer except Sheila's!
If it was found beside Sheila that is!
the two shots to Sheila are contact shots Snow and there is no evidence the silencer was on the rifle when she was shot. So whether JB is guilty or innocent Sheila's blood should no have even been in the silencer.
If Bamber leaves the silencer beside Sheila in a area of high blood flow he is home and dry in my view. If he leaves it in the cupboard he gives it a dam good clean first! and to make sure he does not let anyone have the keys to the house!
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Not sure about JB being in a hurry, HB? Not if he heated something up to burn Nevill!
Thinking about it, it seems a bit absurd to use the silencer at all and then hide it, after all, any human blood found on it would mean that it had been used, wouldn't it?
Nevill, June, Sheila the boys, it wouldn't matter!
Did JB really think that telling the police that the gun was left out without the silencer would suffice?
Very peculliar indeed!
Theres no evidence anything was heated up to burn Neville’s back at all, again your working on hindsight and not what Bamber had to deal with. In the heat of the moment or at the time, Bamber, had to remove what he thought was making suicide look implausible and the priority would be removing what made the rifle look too long for Sheila to commit suicide, he hadn’t time to do a forensic audit as well. Telling the Police he left the Rifle out minus the silencer was a simple explanation for him, nothing is a guarantee in murder and that’s why murderers get caught.
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the two shots to Sheila are contact shots Snow and there is no evidence the silencer was on the rifle when she was shot. So whether JB is guilty or innocent Sheila's blood should no have even been in the silencer.
If Bamber leaves the silencer beside Sheila in a area of high blood flow he is home and dry in my view. If he leaves it in the cupboard he gives it a dam good clean first! and to make sure he does not let anyone have the keys to the house!
This isn’t about being “home and dry”, it’s about rushed decisions, in the heat of the moment and not forensic perfection. Panic doesn’t allow perfect decisions and Leaving the silencer out would draw attention, putting it away nearly worked for him, and the minute trace blood found fits rushed judgement.
The Keys were allowed to be given to Anne for cleaning purposes, this was vital for Bamber, it would mean evidence gathering was done with, and the investigation within WHF was finished and Bamber would have hated cleaning up after murdering his entire family.
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This isn’t about being “home and dry”, it’s about rushed decisions, in the heat of the moment and not forensic perfection. Panic doesn’t allow perfect decisions and Leaving the silencer out would draw attention, putting it away nearly worked for him, and the minute trace blood found fits rushed judgement.
The Keys were allowed to be given to Anne for cleaning purposes, this was vital for Bamber, it would mean evidence gathering was done with, and the investigation within WHF was finished and Bamber would have hated cleaning up after murdering his entire family.
And, naturally, he'd want cleaning "done and dusted" sooner than possible. Once it was done, all trace of the murderer would be eliminated for good.
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the two shots to Sheila are contact shots Snow and there is no evidence the silencer was on the rifle when she was shot. So whether JB is guilty or innocent Sheila's blood should no have even been in the silencer.
If Bamber leaves the silencer beside Sheila in a area of high blood flow he is home and dry in my view. If he leaves it in the cupboard he gives it a dam good clean first! and to make sure he does not let anyone have the keys to the house!
Yes, thats true, Rob!
JB could have left the silencer in the pool of blood beside the Bible, then it would have been no surprise if Sheila's blood got inside the silencer!
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And, naturally, he'd want cleaning "done and dusted" sooner than possible. Once it was done, all trace of the murderer would be eliminated for good.
Bamber was told the Police examination of WHF was completed, as far as he was concerned it was job done. Stan specifically says the keys were handed at 9.00pm to Anne Eaton on the 9th as Police investigation having been completed.
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Yes, thats true, Rob!
JB could have left the silencer in the pool of blood beside the Bible, then it would have been no surprise if Sheila's blood got inside the silencer!
Again, that might have caused problems for him, because blood doesn’t conveniently pool under an object already lying on the floor, it flows around it, leaving voids, edges, or patterns that would draw attention, and it wouldn’t necessarily flow inside the silencer, why take that risk when removing it from the scene was a better option for him?
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When? By who? Why? Either DB is lying or somebody emptied the cupboard.
The gun cupboard was emptied by the family and D Bird took photos of the empty gun cupboard on the 23rd of September at 2pm he took measurements inside the cupboard as well.
At 2pm on Monday 23 September 1985: again I went to White House Farm when I took photographs of the interior of the gun cupboard under
The stairs in the downstairs office, which are included in the: photographic album reference Ai24/85, the maximum height of the
interior of the cupboard is 49" and the depth 29".
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Again, that might have caused problems for him, because blood doesn’t conveniently pool under an object already lying on the floor, it flows around it, leaving voids, edges, or patterns that would draw attention, and it wouldn’t necessarily flow inside the silencer, why take that risk when removing it from the scene was a better option for him?
Take a risk! and putting it in the cupboard is not taking a risk! It was only a case of when it would be found not if.
It would take Bamber only a few seconds to watch the direction of blood flow and place the silencer in a suitable place.
He would have known the silencer was too long when on the rifle for Sheila to shoot herself, he was a competent shooter.
If guilty he would have never let anyone else have the keys to the house.
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Take a risk! and putting it in the cupboard is not taking a risk! It was only a case of when it would be found not if.
It would take Bamber only a few seconds to watch the direction of blood flow and place the silencer in a suitable place.
He would have known the silencer was too long when on the rifle for Sheila to shoot herself, he was a competent shooter.
If guilty he would have never let anyone else have the keys to the house.
I'd have agreed had it been placed where it could be seen as soon as the door opened, but it was put "at the thin end of the wedge". It could have been weeks before it was found. Why would Sheila have bothered?
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And, naturally, he'd want cleaning "done and dusted" sooner than possible. Once it was done, all trace of the murderer would be eliminated for good.
Not if he knew there were loose ends in the house that needed tidying up, the silencer and hidden phone for example.
Bamber could never be sure he was safe, someone could come forward days or weeks latter saying they saw a cyclist on the sea wall in the middle of the night or something like that on hearing of the tragedy.
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I'd have agreed had it been placed where it could be seen as soon as the door opened, but it was put "at the thin end of the wedge". It could have been weeks before it was found. Why would Sheila have bothered?
Sheila never touched the silencer that night Jane, I would have thought Bamber would have got a spare silencer a chucked it in the sea if he was going to use one?
After all he is going to shoot five people, it's no ordinary crime he would have expected the police to be highly suspicious.
All it would need was a broken cobweb around one of the windows and the police would be sniffing all over the place.
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Take a risk! and putting it in the cupboard is not taking a risk! It was only a case of when it would be found not if.
It would take Bamber only a few seconds to watch the direction of blood flow and place the silencer in a suitable place.
He would have known the silencer was too long when on the rifle for Sheila to shoot herself, he was a competent shooter.
If guilty he would have never let anyone else have the keys to the house.
Of course the silencer would be located at some stage, but being found later doesn’t automatically make it suspicious, being found at the scene matters to Bamber because it becomes part of the crime scene. I suppose killers in a panic routinely stop to observe blood-flow patterns before making decisions to placements of the Silencer.
Being a competent shooter doesn’t mean he’d practised staging suicides, this wasn’t something he’d ever done before. So firearm experience doesn’t automatically mean your rehearsed in decisions of this nature.
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Of course the silencer would be located at some stage, but being found later doesn’t automatically make it suspicious, being found at the scene matters to Bamber because it becomes part of the crime scene. I suppose killers in a panic routinely stop to observe blood-flow patterns before making decisions to placements of the Silencer.
Being a competent shooter doesn’t mean he’d practised staging suicides, this wasn’t something he’d ever done before. So firearm experience doesn’t automatically mean your rehearsed in decisions of this nature.
There was no silencer on the gun that night is my view it makes little difference to human ears it's to stop vermin fleeing before the bullet arrives. He had months to prepare he would have known how he was going to stage Sheila at least.
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Not if he knew there were loose ends in the house that needed tidying up, the silencer and hidden phone for example.
Bamber could never be sure he was safe, someone could come forward days or weeks latter saying they saw a cyclist on the sea wall in the middle of the night or something like that on hearing of the tragedy.
No killer can ever be sure of being safe, does that stop them….no it doesn’t. The moment they leave the house they take the risk of being seen. Saying they saw a cyclist on the sea wall a month after doesn’t automatically mean it’s Bamber, he has to be recognised and identified as well, yes it might go against him but it doesn’t automatically convict him.
If everyone could commit murder and know they were safe I’m sure there would be a lot more murders committed.
He wouldn’t be bothered once the Police had finished their investigation as far as he was concerned it was accepted as murder suicide.
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There was no silencer on the gun that night is my view it makes little difference to human ears it's to stop vermin fleeing before the bullet arrives. He had months to prepare he would have known how he was going to stage Sheila at least.
It matters not how many months he prepared, real time events and happenings differ anyway.
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Again, that might have caused problems for him, because blood doesn’t conveniently pool under an object already lying on the floor, it flows around it, leaving voids, edges, or patterns that would draw attention, and it wouldn’t necessarily flow inside the silencer, why take that risk when removing it from the scene was a better option for him?
No, thinking about it I agree with Rob, HB!
Leaving the silencer beside Sheila where there is considerable blood was a fail-safe thing to do!
He would have been home and dry as Rob says!
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Not if he knew there were loose ends in the house that needed tidying up, the silencer and hidden phone for example.
Bamber could never be sure he was safe, someone could come forward days or weeks latter saying they saw a cyclist on the sea wall in the middle of the night or something like that on hearing of the tragedy.
But you're thinking with your own mind set. I imagine it would take a high degree of confidence to plan and pull of something so huge.
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Sheila never touched the silencer that night Jane, I would have thought Bamber would have got a spare silencer a chucked it in the sea if he was going to use one?
After all he is going to shoot five people, it's no ordinary crime he would have expected the police to be highly suspicious.
All it would need was a broken cobweb around one of the windows and the police would be sniffing all over the place.
WHY would he? He planned the whole thing to make it look like Sheila had done it!
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But you see, Adam, you're kind of going round in circles in a way!
You say JB used the silencer and shot Sheila, but then you say he couldn't just leave the silencer beside Sheila because the police would test it and find her blood in it! Fair enough, thats a good point!
But!!!! If JB had worked out that Sheila's blood may be inside the silencer, why indeed didn't he clean it before returning it to the cupboard?? Knowing that if the police found it, it may still be tested?
I suppose he didn't want to risk getting blood on his person. As it was, there was blood spatter on his clothing, but this was analysed too late for any conclusive results.
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the two shots to Sheila are contact shots Snow and there is no evidence the silencer was on the rifle when she was shot. So whether JB is guilty or innocent Sheila's blood should no have even been in the silencer.
If Bamber leaves the silencer beside Sheila in a area of high blood flow he is home and dry in my view. If he leaves it in the cupboard he gives it a dam good clean first! and to make sure he does not let anyone have the keys to the house!
Did you ever read the Andrew Hunter book draft, Rob? There's a paragraph on two gun enthusiasts, who were shown a photograph in Ewen Smith's office, which purport to show a silencer mark on Sheila's neck.
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The following story will confirm the suspicion of the Jeremy supporters: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/37811072/nurse-shoots-sons-grandmother-murder-suicide/
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No, thinking about it I agree with Rob, HB!
Leaving the silencer beside Sheila where there is considerable blood was a fail-safe thing to do!
He would have been home and dry as Rob says!
If it draws attention, it isn’t fail-safe, leaving the silencer out next to Sheila’s body would require investigation, did she use it to shoot the others, at what point did she remove it, and why. The silencer would be sent straight away for testing.
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If it draws attention, it isn’t fail-safe, leaving the silencer out next to Sheila’s body would require investigation, did she use it to shoot the others, at what point did she remove it, and why. The silencer would be sent straight away for testing.
But it wouldn't matter if the silencer was sent for testing, HB! What would it prove? In what way would it point to JB?
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Did you ever read the Andrew Hunter book draft, Rob? There's a paragraph on two gun enthusiasts, who were shown a photograph in Ewen Smith's office, which purport to show a silencer mark on Sheila's neck.
yes I know about this Steve, but two gun enthusiasts? come on point me to a expert saying this?
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If it draws attention, it isn’t fail-safe, leaving the silencer out next to Sheila’s body would require investigation, did she use it to shoot the others, at what point did she remove it, and why. The silencer would be sent straight away for testing.
Sheila sits on the floor to shoot herself, finds the silencer on the rifle makes it too long so removes it and leaves it beside her.
What is the problem with this?
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But it wouldn't matter if the silencer was sent for testing, HB! What would it prove? In what way would it point to JB?
It doesn't need a whole brain to work out that it's not something Sheila would have done. Had she been the meticulous type, she may well have thought to tidy up -had she been responsible, that it!- but she wasn't 'wired' for domesticity. What reason would she have to crawl into the back of a cupboard to hide an appendage to the weapon she'd used to kill her family?
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But it wouldn't matter if the silencer was sent for testing, HB! What would it prove? In what way would it point to JB?
Her blood in it would incriminate Bamber.
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yes I know about this Steve, but two gun enthusiasts? come on point me to a expert saying this?
I think the significance is that a photograph exists in Ewen Smith's office in Birmingham. The latter neither denied its existence nor gainsaid the claims.
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Her blood in it would incriminate Bamber.
No, not if the silencer was placed beside her in the pool of blood beside the bible, Adam!
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No, not if the silencer was placed beside her in the pool of blood beside the bible, Adam!
But it wasn't! You're simply trying to recreate the entire thing -despite evidence to the contrary- to suit a fiction.
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It doesn't need a whole brain to work out that it's not something Sheila would have done. Had she been the meticulous type, she may well have thought to tidy up -had she been responsible, that it!- but she wasn't 'wired' for domesticity. What reason would she have to crawl into the back of a cupboard to hide an appendage to the weapon she'd used to kill her family?
Yes, if the silencer was used that night the killer would certainly have needed to crawl into the cupboard, Jane, or else move that table and chair out of the way!
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But it wasn't! You're simply trying to recreate the entire thing -despite evidence to the contrary- to suit a fiction.
No, Rob was merely pointing out that all JB had to do was leave the silencer beside Sheila and he was home and dry, Jane!
We know this didn't happen, and are asking why?
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No, not if the silencer was placed beside her in the pool of blood beside the bible, Adam!
Where was this pool that would create the back spatter effect inside the silencer?
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But it wouldn't matter if the silencer was sent for testing, HB! What would it prove? In what way would it point to JB?
He couldn’t know what testing might later reveal if the silencer had been used, and with it attached the rifle was too long for the way Sheila was shot. Removing it solved that problem and reduced evidence found at the scene. If Sheila had removed it herself, there should be clear signs of deliberate handling, unscrewing the silencer he would have to put Sheila’s prints on, unscrewing a tight silencer requires deliberate handling and force, which should leave clear indications. Removing it makes sense in staging suicide for something that couldn’t be used. Why leave out something that you can hide anyway?
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No, not if the silencer was placed beside her in the pool of blood beside the bible, Adam!
Wheres this pool of blood, it’s hardly a pool of blood beside the bible.
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No, Rob was merely pointing out that all JB had to do was leave the silencer beside Sheila and he was home and dry, Jane!
We know this didn't happen, and are asking why?
How was he home and Dry, Mugford came forward first and caused the investigation to change course. So no he wasn’t home and dry.
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How was he home and Dry, Mugford came forward first and caused the investigation to change course. So no he wasn’t home and dry.
Well he would have been home and dry regarding the silencer, HB, then Mugfords evidence would have held far less weight!
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Julie didn't mention the silencer. Had she done so it might have been game over.
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Well he would have been home and dry regarding the silencer, HB, then Mugfords evidence would have held far less weight!
So he wasn’t home and dry then, it was Mugford that brought him in for questioning as a suspect and not the Silencer evidence.
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No, Rob was merely pointing out that all JB had to do was leave the silencer beside Sheila and he was home and dry, Jane!
We know this didn't happen, and are asking why?
At a guess, he didn't want it to be known that it had been used?
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At a guess, he didn't want it to be known that it had been used?
Ah now, ah now, ah now, Jane!!! This is where we start going round in circles again!
I thought the claim was that he was going to leave the silencer attached to the rifle, but when he laid it onto Sheila and realized it was too long for her to commit suicide 'only then' was he forced to remove it and hide it in the gun cupboard??
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Ah now, ah now, ah now, Jane!!! This is where we start going round in circles again!
I thought the claim was that he was going to leave the silencer attached to the rifle, but when he laid it onto Sheila and realized it was too long for her to commit suicide 'only then' was he forced to remove it and hide it in the gun cupboard??
I'm not quite sure why you think it so important to differentiate between his realization that the rifle was too long for Sheila to shoot herself with the silencer attached, causing him to hide it at the back of the cupboard, or merely thinking he might have made a bit of a blunder and placing it there. Either way, for whatever reason, he put it there.