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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Cambridgecutie on December 02, 2025, 02:17:PM
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I found the transcipts online for HB's 'Blood Relatives'. Don't think it has been posted previously? Here's the section re her phone conversation with NM re the so-called 999 call ::):
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Speaker 01Hello?
00:00:29
Speaker 11Oh, hi. Is that Nick Milbank? It is. Hello, my name's Heidi Blake. I'm a writer for a magazine in New York, The New Yorker, and I'm doing a long-ish piece about an old Essex police case from the 80s, the Jeremy Bamber case. When I made this call, I'd been wading through the White House Farm case files for a few weeks, and honestly, by this point, I was overwhelmed. There's just so much, I mean, there's so much documentation, it's just like, it's completely bamboozling. Yeah.
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Speaker 11I just stumbled upon an especially perplexing detail about this guy, Nicholas Milbank, a long-time Essex police officer, and a 999 emergency call that he'd apparently received on the morning of the crime from inside the manor at White House Farm. A call that, unless I was very much mistaken, should have been impossible. I understand you had some involvement with sort of monitoring the phone lines on the night
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Speaker 11of the crime. Basically, I'm just, I was wondering whether you might be willing to have a chat with me about it and just make sure I'm not completely barking up the wrong tree with the stuff I'm looking at.
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Speaker 03Yeah, to be honest, yes, I was. I was on the telephone, but it was back in the 80s. My recollection of it, I mean, I'd taken millions and millions of phone calls then, and to be honest, in those days, it was just another phone call.
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Speaker 11Just another phone call, he said. But that moment, right there, when Nick Milbank began to tell me about this call, that was when my whole understanding of this case started to shift. Because if this call had really been made at the time I'd seen referenced in the case files, that could mean only one thing.
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Speaker 11Jeremy Bamber could not have committed this crime. From In the Dark and The New Yorker, I'm Heidi Blake. And this is Blood Relatives.
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Speaker 10It's one of the most notorious and shocking crimes in living memory. A bloody massacre at a remote English farmhouse.
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Speaker 01Who else but a mad woman could do this? It was such a believable story. It was crazy to think anything else other than what we were presented with.
00:03:01
Speaker 02He's lying. I mean, it's a classic detective novel thing. Agatha Christie or whatever. I'm going to kill my family, so I inherit all the money.
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Speaker 13I didn't murder my family. I mean, I promise you, no matter how many times we slice up this case, I'm always innocent.
00:03:34
Speaker 11Part 1. The 999 call. The line in the documents mentioning this phone call was buried amid thousands of pages of police memos from a review of the case by Scotland Yard, codenamed Operation Stokin Church. The review was conducted in 2002, right before Jeremy Bamber's last appeal,
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Speaker 11and the memos refer, in passing, to a, quote, 999 call made from White House Farm at 6.09 on the morning of the murders. The case files contained hardly any detail about this call, beyond revealing that it had been received by police constable Nick Milbank. Prosecutors had certainly disclosed nothing about it to the jury at Jeremy Bamber's trial.
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Speaker 11But when I reached Nick Milbank, still working at Essex Police all those years later, as it turned out, he was willing to tell me all about it. It's obviously hard to dredge it all up from all of that time ago. Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 03And from what I can remember, it was a case of someone playing the 999 and me answering it, and then it was just hearing background noises and police entering the room. I don't think there was any actual conversation, but I really don't remember much about it at all, to be honest.
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Speaker 11Oh, interesting. OK. This was another one of those moments in my reporting when I was trying my best not to let my astonishment show. But it was hard. Because at 6.09am, when the memo said this call had come in, Jeremy Bamber had already been waiting outside the house with police for hours. And so were you in the control room and picked up a 999 call?
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Speaker 03Yes. Yeah. Yeah, in the central control room in Chelmsford.
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Speaker 11Milbank's shift that morning had just started at around 6am.
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Speaker 03No, I do dispatch you most of the time, but on that occasion I was call-taking. And, but yeah, obviously came through on the 999 system.
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Speaker 11And so there was a call came in and it was from the farmhouse itself? Yeah. No one spoke when Milbank answered the phone, he said. But the police department's policy when this happened was that the call taker would just stay on the line, listening.
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Speaker 03If you get a phone call where it's technically an abandoned call because people either aren't speaking or there's someone who's obviously in fear of danger or whatever, our policy is to stay on the phone with them until the police arrive. And then as the police officers would get there, they'd pick up the phone and say, yeah, we're here now. And so I could then hang up the phone call and go straight on to the next 999 call.
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Speaker 11Right, right. OK, that makes sense. Totally. So Nick Milbank said that's what he did that morning. He just sat there listening in to what was happening inside the manor.
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Speaker 03And so I just sat there with the phone open to see if anyone did say anything or I heard anything.
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Speaker 11And like you could hear sort of movement in the background, did you say? Or what exactly?
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Speaker 03As far as I can remember, there was, yes, a movement or voices in the background. I'm not sure they actually spoke to anybody.
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Speaker 11So Nick Milbank was saying not only did someone dial 999 from inside the manor that morning before police entered the property, but when he answered, he heard apparent signs of life inside. Movements. Maybe even speech. I'm just sort of piecing through the records and because I was thinking, oh, like a 999 call from inside the house. I didn't know that. I hadn't seen that before, but that's sort of interesting. Huh.
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Speaker 03Yeah. So who actually made the phone call? I don't know.
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Speaker 11This conversation was becoming more and more surreal. Not least because Nick Milbank didn't seem to realise the gravity of what he was telling me. I'm just trying to get my head around some of this new stuff and that it does seem like if it's true that, because, you know, the way it all went down was apparently, you know, Jeremy claims there was a call from his dad to him at three in the morning saying, come round, your sister's gone berserk with a gun.
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Speaker 11And he went round to the farmhouse and they got there at about 3.48 in the morning. And then from that point on, he was stood outside with the police and the police didn't enter till 7.30 a.m. So if there was a call inside the farmhouse, it sort of doesn't quite make sense that, you know, that would have happened. Because that would indicate someone was alive in there, basically, you know, they're all dead by the time.
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Speaker 14Well, obviously. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 11Well, obviously, Nick Milbank said, someone was alive in there. Needless to say, that was a gobsmacking thing to hear a police officer say. Because if the prosecution's story was true, that Jeremy had murdered everyone himself, shooting all five members of the family in the head before cycling home,
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Speaker 11cleaning himself up and calling the cops at around 3.30 a.m., there was no way anyone could possibly still be alive inside the house all those hours later at 6.09. According to the pathologist, they would have died all but instantly. The police hadn't entered the property until 7.30 a.m.
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Speaker 11So Milbank had been listening in for an hour and 21 minutes before the bodies were found. And he'd heard noises that might have been crucial clues to what was going on in there. And so did it sound like, because I think there was meant to be a bit of a struggle in the kitchen at some point, did it sound like a commotion or did it just sound like, you know, didn't sound like a fight?
00:09:28
Speaker 03No, it was just movement, you know, movement really. I don't know, I can't remember, but I'm guessing, sort of either a door opening and closing or a chair being moved or, you know, there was some noise of some sort of movement. And then all of a sudden, you know, there were sounds of police. I think someone picked up the phone and said, it's OK, we're in now or we're here now, whatever. And I said, that's fine, I'll put the phone down.
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Speaker 11Huh, OK, interesting. So someone said, someone said we're here now.
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Speaker 03Yeah, so it was obviously, I'm guessing it was the police officer that picked up the phone. And so obviously there was no longer the need to leave the 999 call open.
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Speaker 11Who could have made this call? Neville, June and the twins had all been shot in the head at close range. If someone was alive inside the house after the police turned up, it could only have been Sheila, who was found dead inside the locked manor, holding the murder weapon.
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I found the transcipts online for HB's 'Blood Relatives'. Don't think it has been posted previously? Here's the section re her phone conversation with NM re the so-called 999 call ::):
00:00:28
Speaker 01Hello?
00:00:29
Speaker 11Oh, hi. Is that Nick Milbank? It is. Hello, my name's Heidi Blake. I'm a writer for a magazine in New York, The New Yorker, and I'm doing a long-ish piece about an old Essex police case from the 80s, the Jeremy Bamber case. When I made this call, I'd been wading through the White House Farm case files for a few weeks, and honestly, by this point, I was overwhelmed. There's just so much, I mean, there's so much documentation, it's just like, it's completely bamboozling. Yeah.
00:00:58
Speaker 11I just stumbled upon an especially perplexing detail about this guy, Nicholas Milbank, a long-time Essex police officer, and a 999 emergency call that he'd apparently received on the morning of the crime from inside the manor at White House Farm. A call that, unless I was very much mistaken, should have been impossible. I understand you had some involvement with sort of monitoring the phone lines on the night
00:01:27
Speaker 11of the crime. Basically, I'm just, I was wondering whether you might be willing to have a chat with me about it and just make sure I'm not completely barking up the wrong tree with the stuff I'm looking at.
00:01:36
Speaker 03Yeah, to be honest, yes, I was. I was on the telephone, but it was back in the 80s. My recollection of it, I mean, I'd taken millions and millions of phone calls then, and to be honest, in those days, it was just another phone call.
00:01:55
Speaker 11Just another phone call, he said. But that moment, right there, when Nick Milbank began to tell me about this call, that was when my whole understanding of this case started to shift. Because if this call had really been made at the time I'd seen referenced in the case files, that could mean only one thing.
00:02:22
Speaker 11Jeremy Bamber could not have committed this crime. From In the Dark and The New Yorker, I'm Heidi Blake. And this is Blood Relatives.
00:02:43
Speaker 10It's one of the most notorious and shocking crimes in living memory. A bloody massacre at a remote English farmhouse.
00:02:52
Speaker 01Who else but a mad woman could do this? It was such a believable story. It was crazy to think anything else other than what we were presented with.
00:03:01
Speaker 02He's lying. I mean, it's a classic detective novel thing. Agatha Christie or whatever. I'm going to kill my family, so I inherit all the money.
00:03:16
Speaker 13I didn't murder my family. I mean, I promise you, no matter how many times we slice up this case, I'm always innocent.
00:03:34
Speaker 11Part 1. The 999 call. The line in the documents mentioning this phone call was buried amid thousands of pages of police memos from a review of the case by Scotland Yard, codenamed Operation Stokin Church. The review was conducted in 2002, right before Jeremy Bamber's last appeal,
00:03:56
Speaker 11and the memos refer, in passing, to a, quote, 999 call made from White House Farm at 6.09 on the morning of the murders. The case files contained hardly any detail about this call, beyond revealing that it had been received by police constable Nick Milbank. Prosecutors had certainly disclosed nothing about it to the jury at Jeremy Bamber's trial.
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Speaker 11But when I reached Nick Milbank, still working at Essex Police all those years later, as it turned out, he was willing to tell me all about it. It's obviously hard to dredge it all up from all of that time ago. Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 03And from what I can remember, it was a case of someone playing the 999 and me answering it, and then it was just hearing background noises and police entering the room. I don't think there was any actual conversation, but I really don't remember much about it at all, to be honest.
00:04:54
Speaker 11Oh, interesting. OK. This was another one of those moments in my reporting when I was trying my best not to let my astonishment show. But it was hard. Because at 6.09am, when the memo said this call had come in, Jeremy Bamber had already been waiting outside the house with police for hours. And so were you in the control room and picked up a 999 call?
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Speaker 03Yes. Yeah. Yeah, in the central control room in Chelmsford.
00:05:25
Speaker 11Milbank's shift that morning had just started at around 6am.
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Speaker 03No, I do dispatch you most of the time, but on that occasion I was call-taking. And, but yeah, obviously came through on the 999 system.
00:05:37
Speaker 11And so there was a call came in and it was from the farmhouse itself? Yeah. No one spoke when Milbank answered the phone, he said. But the police department's policy when this happened was that the call taker would just stay on the line, listening.
00:05:53
Speaker 03If you get a phone call where it's technically an abandoned call because people either aren't speaking or there's someone who's obviously in fear of danger or whatever, our policy is to stay on the phone with them until the police arrive. And then as the police officers would get there, they'd pick up the phone and say, yeah, we're here now. And so I could then hang up the phone call and go straight on to the next 999 call.
00:06:18
Speaker 11Right, right. OK, that makes sense. Totally. So Nick Milbank said that's what he did that morning. He just sat there listening in to what was happening inside the manor.
00:06:29
Speaker 03And so I just sat there with the phone open to see if anyone did say anything or I heard anything.
00:06:35
Speaker 11And like you could hear sort of movement in the background, did you say? Or what exactly?
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Speaker 03As far as I can remember, there was, yes, a movement or voices in the background. I'm not sure they actually spoke to anybody.
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Speaker 11So Nick Milbank was saying not only did someone dial 999 from inside the manor that morning before police entered the property, but when he answered, he heard apparent signs of life inside. Movements. Maybe even speech. I'm just sort of piecing through the records and because I was thinking, oh, like a 999 call from inside the house. I didn't know that. I hadn't seen that before, but that's sort of interesting. Huh.
00:07:15
Speaker 03Yeah. So who actually made the phone call? I don't know.
00:07:20
Speaker 11This conversation was becoming more and more surreal. Not least because Nick Milbank didn't seem to realise the gravity of what he was telling me. I'm just trying to get my head around some of this new stuff and that it does seem like if it's true that, because, you know, the way it all went down was apparently, you know, Jeremy claims there was a call from his dad to him at three in the morning saying, come round, your sister's gone berserk with a gun.
00:07:48
Speaker 11And he went round to the farmhouse and they got there at about 3.48 in the morning. And then from that point on, he was stood outside with the police and the police didn't enter till 7.30 a.m. So if there was a call inside the farmhouse, it sort of doesn't quite make sense that, you know, that would have happened. Because that would indicate someone was alive in there, basically, you know, they're all dead by the time.
00:08:10
Speaker 14Well, obviously. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 11Well, obviously, Nick Milbank said, someone was alive in there. Needless to say, that was a gobsmacking thing to hear a police officer say. Because if the prosecution's story was true, that Jeremy had murdered everyone himself, shooting all five members of the family in the head before cycling home,
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Speaker 11cleaning himself up and calling the cops at around 3.30 a.m., there was no way anyone could possibly still be alive inside the house all those hours later at 6.09. According to the pathologist, they would have died all but instantly. The police hadn't entered the property until 7.30 a.m.
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Speaker 11So Milbank had been listening in for an hour and 21 minutes before the bodies were found. And he'd heard noises that might have been crucial clues to what was going on in there. And so did it sound like, because I think there was meant to be a bit of a struggle in the kitchen at some point, did it sound like a commotion or did it just sound like, you know, didn't sound like a fight?
00:09:28
Speaker 03No, it was just movement, you know, movement really. I don't know, I can't remember, but I'm guessing, sort of either a door opening and closing or a chair being moved or, you know, there was some noise of some sort of movement. And then all of a sudden, you know, there were sounds of police. I think someone picked up the phone and said, it's OK, we're in now or we're here now, whatever. And I said, that's fine, I'll put the phone down.
00:09:55
Speaker 11Huh, OK, interesting. So someone said, someone said we're here now.
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Speaker 03Yeah, so it was obviously, I'm guessing it was the police officer that picked up the phone. And so obviously there was no longer the need to leave the 999 call open.
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Speaker 11Who could have made this call? Neville, June and the twins had all been shot in the head at close range. If someone was alive inside the house after the police turned up, it could only have been Sheila, who was found dead inside the locked manor, holding the murder weapon.
Do you understand the technicalities of how Jean Rowe made a 999 call from WHF to police HQ in order to make the link, Cutie?
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Do you understand the technicalities of how Jean Rowe made a 999 call from WHF to police HQ in order to make the link, Cutie?
JR didn't make a 999 call from WHF. She was based in a GPO/BT office in Chelmsford and simply connected the open line at WHF to Police HQ at Chelmsford which enabled PC Milbank to listen in until the raid team entered. To suggest otherwise is total BS.
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JR didn't make a 999 call from WHF. She was based in a GPO/BT office in Chelmsford and simply connected the open line at WHF to Police HQ at Chelmsford which enabled PC Milbank to listen in until the raid team entered. To suggest otherwise is total BS.
Was a phone at HQ allocated for this link, Cutie? Did it ring? What exactly occurred?
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So, there was a 999-phone call made from WHF before 4.00am, and the phone for this call was still off the hook at 6.09am.
It would make sense for the police to be listening in to this call to get an indication if WHF was safe to enter.
No phone call was made from WHF after 4.00am?
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JR didn't make a 999 call from WHF. She was based in a GPO/BT office in Chelmsford and simply connected the open line at WHF to Police HQ at Chelmsford which enabled PC Milbank to listen in until the raid team entered. To suggest otherwise is total BS.
I agree Cutie, and after 40 years memories fade but logs don’t and No interview of Millbank by an edited selected podcast would override the four original logs anyway the evidence was already clear from two statements and two logs made 40 years back.
Why would the CCRC want to interview Millbank when the tape was refused when they requested it, how could they verify anything when they’ve been denied the evidence in the first place?
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I'm not sure the most recent handwritten statement is much ado about nothing. With regards to Rowe and Burrell, it is frustrating that these documents don't seem to be addressed by the campaign.
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I'm not sure the most recent handwritten statement is much ado about nothing. With regards to Rowe and Burrell, it is frustrating that these documents don't seem to be addressed by the campaign.
My opinion Roch, The reason the campaign doesn’t address the Rowe and Burrell documents is simple, those logs/statements undermine their entire argument. How can they build a case on a selective edited Podcast and expect the CCRC to refer or even look into it, bear in mind that the New Yorker refused to hand over the tape on request. Even, and I say even and it’s my opinion, if Millbank gave anything damaging to Bamber, the two logs and witness statements would still override a 40years ago memory in any Court?
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I'm not sure the most recent handwritten statement is much ado about nothing. With regards to Rowe and Burrell, it is frustrating that these documents don't seem to be addressed by the campaign.
They'll probably just say there were forged!
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Does Milbank say what he did at the time about this clear injustice? Must have been terrible for him seeing Jeremy prosecuted when he knew he was innocent.
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Does Milbank say what he did at the time about this clear injustice? Must have been terrible for him seeing Jeremy prosecuted when he knew he was innocent.
As with Bonnett after speaking to Nevill for 10 minutes - nothing.
Or with Davidson after seeing head of crime scene Cook pick up the rifle & then bible and flick through the pages prior to crime scene photos - nothing.
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couple of things worth mentioning from episode 5 - Heidi Blake said that Milbank emailed her and said "he could have misremembered things" and that the 2002 statement he made "might be right" - also after this email he refused to talk about the case with her any further.
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couple of things worth mentioning from episode 5 - Heidi Blake said that Milbank emailed her and said "he could have misremembered things" and that the 2002 statement he made "might be right" - also after this email he refused to talk about the case with her any further.
Is his 2002 statement online?
Assume he made a WS in 1985. EP would have passed this to the CCRC.
Mis remembered things. He also suggests this several times when talking to Blake.
Getting more unlikely that the CCRC are going to change there mind.
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Seems the rejection of Nevill calling Chelmsford police instead of 999 because two peoples logs differred is not going to be challenged.
Neither Bamber or Nevill could have phoned them at 3.36am. Nevill didn't even have time to phone them at 3.26am.
But can't argue with the front page of the Daily Mirror in 2010 for publicity.
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Is his 2002 statement online?
Not that I've seen. I guess something else that very few are allowed to see. Heidi Blake had it though - she sent it to Milbank after which his memory became bad again and she said he told her the statement "might be right".
Very difficult to believe that the CCRC might think Milbank audio meets the "real possibility" test.
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Is his 2002 statement online?
Assume he made a WS in 1985. EP would have passed this to the CCRC.
Mis remembered things. He also suggests this several times when talking to Blake.
Getting more unlikely that the CCRC are going to change there mind.
I think the biggest challenge will be knocking out four contemporaneous logs/statements, they will override any journalistic Podcast, unless their is evidence to prove they are Fake/fabricated. Jean Rowes statement was singed on the 8th of August, she was 58 at the time which would make her 98 if she’s still with us. Inspector Burrell signed his hand written one on the 13th of Sept 1985, Roch said someone thought it was a memo, but… Memo or statement, it documents what Burrell did at 06:09am and that’s the part that actually matters, he’s also provided a written statement/memo.
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I think the biggest challenge will be knocking out four contemporaneous logs/statements, they will override any journalistic Podcast, unless their is evidence to prove they are Fake/fabricated. Jean Rowes statement was singed on the 8th of August, she was 58 at the time which would make her 98 if she’s still with us. Inspector Burrell signed his hand written one on the 13th of Sept 1985, Roch said someone thought it was a memo, but… Memo or statement, it documents what Burrell did at 06:09am and that’s the part that actually matters, he’s also provided a written statement/memo.
There's also the fact that Milbank seems to have said nothing at the time to his superiors or anyone else for that matter. Or if he did it was covered up for some reason.
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I think the biggest challenge will be knocking out four contemporaneous logs/statements, they will override any journalistic Podcast, unless their is evidence to prove they are Fake/fabricated. Jean Rowes statement was singed on the 8th of August, she was 58 at the time which would make her 98 if she’s still with us. Inspector Burrell signed his hand written one on the 13th of Sept 1985, Roch said someone thought it was a memo, but… Memo or statement, it documents what Burrell did at 06:09am and that’s the part that actually matters, he’s also provided a written statement/memo.
Does the CCRC have common sense discretion as well.
The liklihood of Sheila keeping herself alive, dialling 999 at 6.09am when the police had been outside with a loud speaker for 2 hours, not saying anything & then Milbank not saying anything is slim to zero.
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Does the CCRC have common sense discretion as well.
The liklihood of Sheila keeping herself alive, dialling 999 at 6.09am when the police had been outside with a loud speaker for 2 hours, not saying anything & then Milbank not saying anything is slim to zero.
Which was all documented, no response, phone off hook, statements and logs match, and actually there’s no record of a 999 call anywhere at all that Millbank mentioned, without checking again,
This is his recollection
He answered a call on the 9s system.
No one spoke.
He listened to an open line.
He heard movement-type noises but isn’t sure what they were.
He never said as far as I’m aware I saw a 999 call come in from WHF.
I saw a call logged from that number. Someone dialled 999
Everything Millbank is suggesting is consistent with a patched up line to WHF which was set up, the unfortunate part being, Rowe never said anything to him when she put it through, she assumed Millbank was waiting for the call when in fact he’d just started his shift at 6.00am and probably not been briefed? All Millbank knows is what system the call came through on which was the 9s and Jean Rowe not saying anything might have caused him confusion as to who the caller was.
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Which was all documented, no response, phone off hook, statements and logs match, and actually there’s no record of a 999 call anywhere at all that Millbank mentioned, without checking again,
This is his recollection
He answered a call on the 9s system.
No one spoke.
He listened to an open line.
He heard movement-type noises but isn’t sure what they were.
He never said as far as I’m aware I saw a 999 call come in from WHF.
I saw a call logged from that number. Someone dialled 999
Everything Millbank is suggesting is consistent with a patched up line to WHF which was set up, the unfortunate part being, Rowe never said anything to him when she put it through, she assumed Millbank was waiting for the call when in fact he’d just started his shift at 6.00am and probably not been briefed? All Millbank knows is what system the call came through on which was the 9s and Jean Rowe not saying anything might have caused him confusion as to who the caller was.
Surely the operator would have spoken to Milbank? and someone would have informed him a call was about to come through that was on the 9 system but not a 999 call that he needed to monitor the line?
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Surely the operator would have spoken to Milbank? and someone would have informed him a call was about to come through that was on the 9 system but not a 999 call that he needed to monitor the line?
Jean Rowe doesn’t mention speaking to Millbank because her job wasn’t to brief him, it was to connect the WHF line to HQ and her job was done, she was busy with other things to do. Jean Rowe wouldn’t have known that Millbank had just started his shift, she’d been in conversation since early hours so just did what she was asked to do, the key part is, she never even listened in to the line. Rowe did what she was asked to do that’s all, she only notes connecting the lines, her silence with Millbank marches what he said anyway “no one spoke” so they both match up.
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Jean Rowe doesn’t mention speaking to Millbank because her job wasn’t to brief him, it was to connect the WHF line to HQ and her job was done, she was busy with other things to do. Jean Rowe wouldn’t have known that Millbank had just started his shift, she’d been in conversation since early hours so just did what she was asked to do, the key part is, she never even listened in to the line. Rowe did what she was asked to do that’s all, she only notes connecting the lines, her silence with Millbank marches what he said anyway “no one spoke” so they both match up.
If Rowe said in her statement ‘she never listened into the line” how can that be a 999 emergency call? It’s impossible, it’s the Operators Job to try to make conversation on an emergency call, it’s not her job to be silent, she would have greeted any 999 call with “EMERGENCY WHICH SERVICE” “ Do you need Police, Fire Or Ambulance.
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If Rowe said in her statement ‘she never listened into the line” how can that be a 999 emergency call? It’s impossible, it’s the Operators Job to try to make conversation on an emergency call, it’s not her job to be silent, she would have greeted any 999 call with “EMERGENCY WHICH SERVICE” “ Do you need Police, Fire Or Ambulance.
I don't think it's being suggested that Rowe took the call.
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Does the CCRC have common sense discretion as well.
Yes, because their decision on whether or not to make a referral is based on how the Court of Appeal are likely to treat it.
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I don't think it's being suggested that Rowe took the call.
Right, thanks Roch that gives me something to chew on 😂. So which is it: Jean Rowe’s statement is forged, another operator secretly made the same connection, or WHF somehow had a direct 999 line into the incident room straight through to Millbank
If Jean Rowe physically made the connection, as she says, who made the other one and where’s the record? Because Burrell’s statement, the incident room log, and West’s record all say the same thing: the line was patched via the 9s system. To then dismiss all of this it has to be shown that the line wasn’t patched by Rowe, or Rowe’s statement is forged and all the others are forged, and either there was record of another OP making the connection or a direct line link to Incident room 🙈
I understand you don’t want to give too much away Roch, every little helps though 😂😂😂
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The line was being monitored. It would have been noticed if at 6.09 Sheila cut the line in order to make a fresh call. Is this someone else lying?
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The line was being monitored. It would have been noticed if at 6.09 Sheila cut the line in order to make a fresh call. Is this someone else lying?
Ive done a research, my only question was could a direct line have been installed at WHF because Neville was a Magistrate?
In the 1980s:
A call going straight to the Police via the 999 would require a pre-installed direct circuit (a private line), not the public telephone network.
If such a direct line existed, no operator intervention would be required at all.
So is this a possibility, well it has to contradict every available document that shows a patched call with WHF was made at 6.09am by physical means by Jean Rowe. What’s the chances of a 999 call coming through and a connection by the Operator or another operator and Jean Rowe all at the same time?
Rowe’s statement was taken the next morning, earlier than most others, it could have been normal procedural, but it does stand out, and it does cause a slight flag for me?
Statement taken and signature witnessed by Dc 1878 ORPE at above address
at9.00am .Thursday 8th of August 1985
( signed.PJ ORPE Dc 1878
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The line was being monitored. It would have been noticed if at 6.09 Sheila cut the line in order to make a fresh call. Is this someone else lying?
Roch has thrown a few crumbs down, he’s not giving us the Loaf 😂😂😂🙈
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Roch has thrown a few crumbs down, he’s not giving us the Loaf 😂😂😂🙈
All I'm saying is that, within the whole 999 from the campaign and those who have contributed from outside the claim, it has never been claimed that Rowe was the initial call taker.
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All I'm saying is that, within the whole 999 from the campaign and those who have contributed from outside the claim, it has never been claimed that Rowe was the initial call taker.
Thanks Roch, If Rowe wasn’t the call-taker, who was then, A 999 call couldn’t bypass the operator in the 1980s, without a direct line from WHF to the police, and there’s no record of any other operator or is there and the only evidence available shows Jean Rowe made that connection?
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Thanks Roch, If Rowe wasn’t the call-taker, who was then, A 999 call couldn’t bypass the operator in the 1980s, without a direct line from WHF to the police, and there’s no record of any other operator or is there and the only evidence available shows Jean Rowe made that connection?
As you know Roch I always follow the evidence which is backed up with logs and statements, if there’s something I’m not seeing or privy to, i do apologise for my questioning.
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Thanks Roch, If Rowe wasn’t the call-taker, who was then, A 999 call couldn’t bypass the operator in the 1980s, without a direct line from WHF to the police, and there’s no record of any other operator or is there and the only evidence available shows Jean Rowe made that connection?
The Guardian said this…. According to Milbank, it was an emergency call on an exchange line, meaning that someone had dialled 999 rather than using the open line.
It doesn’t necessarily mean a 999 call, all it means is a call arriving in the 9s system and consistent with what the logs say. Millbank never said it was a 999 call.
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As with the 'Nevill called Chelmsford police' in 2010, Milbank will create discussion, get Bamber in the media & keep supporters excited. But will be dismissed by the justice system.
This has been Bamber's life for 40 years.
In this instance it also gives Heidi &The New Yorker publicity. The CT have even started asking for money.
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As with the 'Nevill called Chelmsford police' in 2010, Milbank will create discussion, get Bamber in the media & keep supporters excited. But will be dismissed by the justice system.
This has been Bamber's life for 40 years.
In this instance it also gives Heidi &The New Yorker publicity. The CT have even started asking for money.
At 5.45 the logs say, Continue to monitor phone at scene + GPO to recheck, this confirms the line was open, and being monitored and being checked while police were outside trying to make contact, with no sound or speech reported. Any idea that a 999 call was made and producing no noise, no operator activity between the OP and Millbank and no police log would bypass all emergency-call procedures. Someone would have had to transfer any 999 call to GPO to the incident room and stayed silent for 40 years? The wording Continue to monitor is crucial in this, meaning it was constantly monitored and any break would have been detected, not only that, just putting the phone back in the receiver wouldn’t automatically clear to dial out again, it could take minutes to clear, if at all?
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Thanks Roch, If Rowe wasn’t the call-taker, who was then, A 999 call couldn’t bypass the operator in the 1980s, without a direct line from WHF to the police, and there’s no record of any other operator or is there and the only evidence available shows Jean Rowe made that connection?
Sorry my post had a few typos. There was a post on here somewhere recently regarding how many operators would be on duty. The fact that Rowe has never been accused of having taken a 999 call may be significant. It may not be significant. TBH, I don't know. Think about it. The campaign are arguing for a 999 call and they have not linked the alleged call to Rowe.
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Sorry my post had a few typos. There was a post on here somewhere recently regarding how many operators would be on duty. The fact that Rowe has never been accused of having taken a 999 call may be significant. It may not be significant. TBH, I don't know. Think about it. The campaign are arguing for a 999 call and they have not linked the alleged call to Rowe.
Thanks Roch, surely to establish another 999 call they have to identify the Person that took it inside the GPO? Yes I did see the post about others being on duty and I do I agree there would be others. If they can’t establish this other person though and without that link it falls flat I think Roch?
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At 5.45 the logs say, Continue to monitor phone at scene + GPO to recheck, this confirms the line was open, and being monitored and being checked while police were outside trying to make contact, with no sound or speech reported. Any idea that a 999 call was made and producing no noise, no operator activity between the OP and Millbank and no police log would bypass all emergency-call procedures. Someone would have had to transfer any 999 call to GPO to the incident room and stayed silent for 40 years? The wording Continue to monitor is crucial in this, meaning it was constantly monitored and any break would have been detected, not only that, just putting the phone back in the receiver wouldn’t automatically clear to dial out again, it could take minutes to clear, if at all?
Sorry I’d like to correct this, it wasn’t constantly monitored before 5.50 am Jean Rowe does say she disconnected herself once listening in, but after 5.50 am I’m not sure, she never mentions disconnecting herself other than connecting the two up?
At about 5.50 a.m. the same day the came caller come on the phone again and asked 1f it was possible to put this number through to the Police Headquarters to enable then to monitor it. I a not allowed to engage the Direct Energency Police line so I again checked into this Maldon number and then phoned the Police Headquarters and connected the two thus enabling the Police to listen to the line.
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Sorry my post had a few typos. There was a post on here somewhere recently regarding how many operators would be on duty. The fact that Rowe has never been accused of having taken a 999 call may be significant. It may not be significant. TBH, I don't know. Think about it. The campaign are arguing for a 999 call and they have not linked the alleged call to Rowe.
Sorry Roch, I meant to ask you, you never followed up my rejection of Burrell’s statement being a memo?