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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Adam on November 23, 2025, 01:28:PM
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Pre 2.30am. WHF kitchen phone left off hook by Jeremy. SOURCE - Crime scene photos.
3.55am. Police request to BT to open WHF line. SOURCE - Burrell's 1985 WS.
4.00am. BT operator says WHF phone is off the hook. SOURCE. -Jean Rowe's 1985 WS.
5.40am. BT operator does another check. WHF phone still off the hook. SOURCE - Jean Rowe's 1985 WS.
5.56am. Police ask BT to link phone line to police HQ. SOURCE - Burrell's 1985 WS.
5.56am.. BT link phone line to police HQ. SOURCE ' Jean Rowe's 1985 WS.
6.09am. PC MIllbank continually monitors phone line. SOURCE - Burrell's 1985 WS.
6.09am onwards. Milbank says he hears a dog barking. He does not speak to anyone. SOURCE - Milbank audio.
6.09am onwards. Milbank says he hears doors opening and chairs moving. SOURCE - Milbank audio.
7.30am. Raid team enter WHF. SOURCE - Raid team 1985 WS's.
7.30am. Milbank is told not to continue monitoring the line as the police are inside WHF. SOURCE - Milbank audio.
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This is a first draft. So likely to be amended.
Supporters will have to go some to convince the CCRC Sheila phoned 999 at 6.09am & didn't say anything to Milbank.. But as with Nevill calling Chelmsford Police I'm sure they will still be trying 15 years later.
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The best chance supporters have is when the Milbank audio has him saying he heard doors opening & chairs moving.
The problem here is he says straight afterwards the police were inside and telling him such.
Milbank also says his memory of it all is poor. He is now deceased and did not suggest he received a 999 call from Sheila between 1985 - 2024.
You can see why The New Yorker did not send the audio to the CCRC. As it would not negate the WS's of JR, Burrell & the raid team.
The CCRC may also have Milbank's 1985 WS. When his memory was better. This would align with the other WS's.
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The best chance supporters have is when the Milbank audio has him saying he heard doors opening & chairs moving.
The problem here is he says straight afterwards the police were inside and telling him such.
Milbank also says his memory of it all is poor. He is now deceased and did not suggest he received a 999 call from Sheila between 1985 - 2024.
You can see why The New Yorker did not send the audio to the CCRC. As it would not negate the WS's of JR, Burrell & the raid team.
The CCRC may also have Milbank's 1985 WS. When his memory was better. This would align with the other WS's.
Good luck to anyone that can prove Burrell lied and Jean Rowe lied and was part of a cover up, also there would have to be a massive cover up that kept the raid team and PS Adam’s from getting to know about any 999 call from within WHF, it would mean armed offices being sent into WHF with missing key details and without critical information putting officers life’s at risk.
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Pre 2.30am. WHF kitchen phone left off hook by Jeremy. SOURCE - Crime scene photos.
3.55am. Police request to BT to open WHF line. SOURCE - Burrell's 1985 WS.
4.00am. BT operator says WHF phone is off the hook. SOURCE. -Jean Rowe's 1985 WS.
5.40am. BT operator does another check. WHF phone still off the hook. SOURCE - Jean Rowe's 1985 WS.
5.56am. Police ask BT to link phone line to police HQ. SOURCE - Burrell's 1985 WS.
5.56am.. BT link phone line to police HQ. SOURCE ' Jean Rowe's 1985 WS.
6.09am. PC MIllbank continually monitors phone line. SOURCE - Burrell's 1985 WS.
6.09am onwards. Milbank says he hears a dog barking. He does not speak to anyone. SOURCE - Milbank audio.
6.09am onwards. Milbank says he hears doors opening and chairs moving. SOURCE - Milbank audio.
7.30am. Raid team enter WHF. SOURCE - Raid team 1985 WS's.
7.30am. Milbank is told not to continue monitoring the line as the police are inside WHF. SOURCE - Milbank audio.
Didn't Milbank also claim to hear voices? I'm surprised the Jeremy supporters haven't brought up the cushion covers placed on the floor steeped in blood. Maybe Sheila moved a chair out of the way to accommodate them.
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He does say - 'As far as I can remember, there was, yes, a movement or voices in the background. I’m, not sure I actually spoke to anybody'.
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He's not sure he actually spoke to anyone? A big thing to not be sure about.
Voices. Sounds like the raid team communicating with each other
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He does say - 'As far as I can remember, there was, yes, a movement or voices in the background. I’m, not sure I actually spoke to anybody'.
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He's not sure he actually spoke to anyone? A big thing to not be sure about.
Voices. Sounds like the raid team communicating with each other
Yes, if Sheila made a call she would have first replaced the phone to the cradle and then dialed 999. Would this be answered by Jean Rowe who would automatically know it was from inside WHF? And would she take action without Sheila even speaking, ie,. would she automatically put the call through to the police and phone for an ambulance too knowing that someone was alive? If so, there doesn't seem to be any documented evidence of this.
Maybe Sheila did ask for the police and/or an ambulance? But if so why didn't Jean Rowe forward this to the police or put it in her statement?
Was Jean Rowe the only operator on duty in the district? Or at that exchange?
Was it possible that Sheila got through to another operator who put the call through to Milbank? An operator who had no knowledge of what was happening at WHF and was never asked for a statement?
Anyway, wasn't there two ambulances requested by the police? And was this before or after 6.09?
If Sheila did make a call at 6.09 the fact remains that she didn't replace the receiver and left the phone off the hook yet again, which does seem odd!
Anyway, Milbank simply saying that he received a 999 call from inside WHF isn't quite enough to convince supporters let alone the CCRC that Sheila made the 6.09 call.
In the meantime we have more questions than answers.
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West & Bonnett worded there logs differently. Which is not a surprise. They are different people getting information from different people. Bamber claimed in 2010 the different logs showed Nevill called Chelmsford Police! With publicity success but failure at the CCRC.
The same thing is being done with Millbank monitoring the open line from 6.09am. With the same succes/failure ratio.
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2 ambulances required, one for immediate, one for stand by.
Two ambulances arranged. 0.625
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2 ambulances required, one for immediate, one for stand by.
Two ambulances arranged. 0.625
Standard Practice to request Ambulances in what could be a murder case or shooting, what if they went in and one of the victims was still breathing but unable to move?
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Standard Practice to request Ambulances in what could be a murder case or shooting, what if they went in and one of the victims was still breathing but unable to move?
Yes, true I suppose!
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Standard Practice to request Ambulances in what could be a murder case or shooting, what if they went in and one of the victims was still breathing but unable to move?
I suppose it is a coincidence that they were only ordered after the telephone link had been set up and not any earlier. Looks like 11 minutes later.
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Two ambulances would be needed for a possible 5 people.
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With Milbank it seems to be a combination of -
Can't remember.
Taken by surprise by a phone call from Heidi.
On a wind up. Looking for 2 minutes of fame.
Being vague.
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The Doc Maker, Phillip & most supporters will support that Sheila dialled 999 & got through to Milbank. Then didn't say anything.
Ignoring the police who the raid team said were outside with a loud speaker for 2 hours would be put down to Sheila being unwell.
Impressed that Heidi managed to get Milbank's phone number.
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With Milbank it seems to be a combination of -
Can't remember.
Taken by surprise by a phone call from Heidi.
On a wind up. Looking for 2 minutes of fame.
Being vague.
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The Doc Maker, Phillip & most supporters will support that Sheila dialled 999 & got through to Milbank. Then didn't say anything.
Ignoring the police who the raid team said were outside with a loud speaker for 2 hours would be put down to Sheila being unwell.
Impressed that Heidi managed to get Milbank's phone number.
Yes, we have to admit that 'vague' sums up the Milbank evidence perfectly, Adam!
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Yes, we have to admit that 'vague' sums up the Milbank evidence perfectly, Adam!
It's understandable though Snow it was 40 years ago. What I find unforgivable is the CCRC sent EP round to interview Milbank.
I look at quite a few cases involving the Innocence project in the US, the difference between them and the CCRC is massive they leave no stone unturned! In one case with six dodgy witnesses they personally went round and coaxed the truth out of them.
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It's understandable though Snow it was 40 years ago. What I find unforgivable is the CCRC sent EP round to interview Milbank.
I look at quite a few cases involving the Innocence project in the US, the difference between them and the CCRC is massive they leave no stone unturned! In one case with six dodgy witnesses they personally went round and coaxed the truth out of them.
I just dont think Heidi got enough details out of Milbank regarding what occurred at 6.09, Rob.
She should have at least asked him about what Burrell and Jean Rowe put in their statements which seems to contradict his own recollections.
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I just dont think Heidi got enough details out of Milbank regarding what occurred at 6.09, Rob.
She should have at least asked him about what Burrell and Jean Rowe put in their statements which seems to contradict his own recollections.
Not great was it snow.
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I just dont think Heidi got enough details out of Milbank regarding what occurred at 6.09, Rob.
She should have at least asked him about what Burrell and Jean Rowe put in their statements which seems to contradict his own recollections.
Maybe Snow? I am more interested in how the call came in, Milbank thought it was a 999 call but was this just the operator connecting WHF via the emergency line? Or was it Sheila or someone dialing 999 but saying nothing?
Surely if it was just the operator JR would have spoke to Milbank telling him what was happening?
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Maybe Snow? I am more interested in how the call came in, Milbank thought it was a 999 call but was this just the operator connecting WHF via the emergency line? Or was it Sheila or someone dialing 999 but saying nothing?
Surely if it was just the operator JR would have spoke to Milbank telling him what was happening?
So she dialled at 5.47 am and then she dialled at 6.09 am is that what your saying? Which one is it?
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Not great was it snow.
Well to put it mildly, the interview was hardly up to a Jeremy Paxman type level, HB.
Heidi should have had a list of questions in front of her, as well as the statements of anyone connected to the 6.09 'happening'.
Asking Milbank if he received a call from someone inside WHF at 6.09 and him replying 'yes' hardly cuts the mustard.
Talk about going off half-cocked!
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Well to put it mildly, the interview was hardly up to a Jeremy Paxman type level, HB.
Heidi should have had a list of questions in front of her, as well as the statements of anyone connected to the 6.09 'happening'.
Asking Milbank if he received a call from someone inside WHF at 6.09 and him replying 'yes' hardly cuts the mustard.
Talk about going off half-cocked!
But I would have thought Milbank would have said something like "No I never received a call but the operator patched me through to WHF" or something like that?
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Well to put it mildly, the interview was hardly up to a Jeremy Paxman type level, HB.
Heidi should have had a list of questions in front of her, as well as the statements of anyone connected to the 6.09 'happening'.
Asking Milbank if he received a call from someone inside WHF at 6.09 and him replying 'yes' hardly cuts the mustard.
Talk about going off half-cocked!
I agree Snow, you can blame the CT for this as well because they have all these information as we have got only more, maybe they didn’t want Heidi to see this so she just ran with what she was given.
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But I would have thought Milbank would have said something like "No I never received a call but the operator patched me through to WHF" or something like that?
Milbank seems to be saying that a phone rang and he picked it up, Rob, well thats the way I understand him anyway, where as Burrell says the link was set up and only 'then' was Milbank instructed to monitor it!
Wonder if Burrell is still alive? Maybe he's JBs last hope now?
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Milbank seems to be saying that a phone rang and he picked it up, Rob, well thats the way I understand him anyway, where as Burrell says the link was set up and only 'then' was Milbank instructed to monitor it!
Wonder if Burrell is still alive? Maybe he's JBs last hope now?
More like Bob Hope snow,.
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More like Bob Hope snow,.
Oh well, we will get part 6 of Heidi's series tomorrow, HB!
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Oh well, we will get part 6 of Heidi's series tomorrow, HB!
Ive got the Pop corn ready Snow, I like a good finale.
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Ive got the Pop corn ready Snow, I like a good finale.
Well, here's hoping!
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Surprised Milbank was so social after getting a call out of the blue from Heidi. He didn"t even ask 'how did you get this number?".
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Surprised Milbank was so social after getting a call out of the blue from Heidi. He didn"t even ask 'how did you get this number?".
Obviously it was pre arranged but at the same time he had the option of refusing to speak to journalists if he so wished.
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Obviously it was pre arranged but at the same time he had the option of refusing to speak to journalists if he so wished.
AE & DB was not pre arranged. She just turned up at there houses.
Will have to listen to the audio. If pre arranged thought Milbank would be less vague.
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AE & DB was not pre arranged. She just turned up at there houses.
Will have to listen to the audio. If pre arranged thought Milbank would be less vague.
The New Yorker have been sat on this interview for over a year, the question remains why they didn’t release the full unedited uncut version to the CCRC when requested. This leaves me to believe there is elements in the Interview that have been edited?
So on conclusion of this, the CCRC had no other alternative but to reject based on……Because the audio could not be compelled for evidence, the New Yorker is a US based publication, the CCRC had to rely only on UK- material from Essex Police,
1 Jean Rowe’s statement
2 Inspector Burrell’s statement
3 UK telephone logs
4 Milbank’s later (2024) police statement
5 Without the audio, the CCRC ruled the defence’s “999 call” claim did not meet the ‘real possibility’ test for referral.
6. to me the Rowe and Burrell statements already show there was never a 999 call from inside WHF, only a BT-operator patch to police.
Because this has been disproved, we now have believe from Bubo and Rob that there was another call from Sheila or someone alive in WHF at 5.47am, on both occasions the caller said nothing, this is all based on the word Engaged and not Off the hook, The question still remains, who did this caller ring, if it was a 999 call this would show in the Operators statement, the operator would have answered the call and connect to the relevant services, if the caller said nothing the operator would try to ask questions and record such. Also the relevant information would have been relayed to the Police at HQ who would most certainly have relayed this information to Adam’s at the critical point before entry, this was vital information and would require possible adjustments to the raid team Approach, Bubo now says Jean Rowe’s statement is Faked and so to is Inspector Burrell’s?
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The New Yorker have been sat on this interview for over a year, the question remains why they didn’t release the full unedited uncut version to the CCRC when requested. This leaves me to believe there is elements in the Interview that have been edited?
So on conclusion of this, the CCRC had no other alternative but to reject based on……Because the audio could not be compelled for evidence, the New Yorker is a US based publication, the CCRC had to rely only on UK- material from Essex Police,
1 Jean Rowe’s statement
2 Inspector Burrell’s statement
3 UK telephone logs
4 Milbank’s later (2024) police statement
5 Without the audio, the CCRC ruled the defence’s “999 call” claim did not meet the ‘real possibility’ test for referral.
6. to me the Rowe and Burrell statements already show there was never a 999 call from inside WHF, only a BT-operator patch to police.
Because this has been disproved, we now have believe from Bubo and Rob that there was another call from Sheila or someone alive in WHF at 5.47am, on both occasions the caller said nothing, this is all based on the word Engaged and not Off the hook, The question still remains, who did this caller ring, if it was a 999 call this would show in the Operators statement, the operator would have answered the call and connect to the relevant services, if the caller said nothing the operator would try to ask questions and record such. Also the relevant information would have been relayed to the Police at HQ who would most certainly have relayed this information to Adam’s at the critical point before entry, this was vital information and would require possible adjustments to the raid team Approach, Bubo now says Jean Rowe’s statement is Faked and so to is Inspector Burrell’s?
A good post. However we do not know what was in the original case file which still remains undisclosed. Anything of an exculpatory nature is likely to be in that file. This leaves those who believe JB innocent have to scrabble around documentation that is in the public domain looking for issues which appear to show inconsistencies in the Crown's case. We only have the left over crumbs.
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A good post. However we do not know what was in the original case file which still remains undisclosed. Anything of an exculpatory nature is likely to be in that file. This leaves those who believe JB innocent have to scrabble around documentation that is in the public domain looking for issues which appear to show inconsistencies in the Crown's case. We only have the left over crumbs.
I personally don’t think that anything can contest a witness statement from Burrell and Rowe that’s backed up with proven log messages?
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The New Yorker have been sat on this interview for over a year, the question remains why they didn’t release the full unedited uncut version to the CCRC when requested. This leaves me to believe there is elements in the Interview that have been edited?
So on conclusion of this, the CCRC had no other alternative but to reject based on……Because the audio could not be compelled for evidence, the New Yorker is a US based publication, the CCRC had to rely only on UK- material from Essex Police,
1 Jean Rowe’s statement
2 Inspector Burrell’s statement
3 UK telephone logs
4 Milbank’s later (2024) police statement
5 Without the audio, the CCRC ruled the defence’s “999 call” claim did not meet the ‘real possibility’ test for referral.
6. to me the Rowe and Burrell statements already show there was never a 999 call from inside WHF, only a BT-operator patch to police.
Because this has been disproved, we now have believe from Bubo and Rob that there was another call from Sheila or someone alive in WHF at 5.47am, on both occasions the caller said nothing, this is all based on the word Engaged and not Off the hook, The question still remains, who did this caller ring, if it was a 999 call this would show in the Operators statement, the operator would have answered the call and connect to the relevant services, if the caller said nothing the operator would try to ask questions and record such. Also the relevant information would have been relayed to the Police at HQ who would most certainly have relayed this information to Adam’s at the critical point before entry, this was vital information and would require possible adjustments to the raid team Approach, Bubo now says Jean Rowe’s statement is Faked and so to is Inspector Burrell’s?
Burrell's & Jean Rowe's WS 's fake.
EP really were covering themselves in 1985 when framing Bamber.
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DB & Bamber's interviews are genuine. They will speak to anyone.
PE & AE refusing to speak seems real.
BW's interview may be an old one. She had previously spoken about rats.
Not sure why Milbank would agree to be interviewed beforehand. He had kept quiet all this time & still worked for EP. The audio of his intetview he can't remember things. If he was rang up out of the blue, surprised he agreed to speak.
There is a written statement with Milbank saying he did not speak to the NY. That is not very convincing either.
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The crime scene photos & WS's of Burrell & Jean Rowe show the phone was off the hook & then the line connected to EP. Milbank listening in from 6.09am.
All sounds like plausible actions in the circumstances. But appreciate supporters will say Sheila called 999 & didn't say anything.
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Burrell's & Jean Rowe's WS 's fake.
EP really were covering themselves in 1985 when framing Bamber.
These documents were not needed at trial. The defence, at that time, did not question the 999 call. It is possible they only saw it when further documents were disclosed or they missed it. As I understand things it was going to be used as part of the 2002 appeal but for reasons unknown to me it was dropped. At that time statements from Burrell and Rowe could have contributed to this aspect of the case. Perhaps NGB can shed some light on this.
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AE & DB was not pre arranged. She just turned up at there houses.
Will have to listen to the audio. If pre arranged thought Milbank would be less vague.
Milibank would not just start waffling to a journalist while still employed In the capacity of Essex Police over a high profile case such as this.
If it was a random call out of the blue you would think he would make his excuses and simply cut all contact.
Which suggests it has been pre arranged.
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Burrell's & Jean Rowe's WS 's fake.
EP really were covering themselves in 1985 when framing Bamber.
Bamber suggests three officers.
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From what I remember it was a case of someone ringing 999 (yes Jean Rowe making the connection) and me answering it and then I just was hearing background noises and then police entering the build(sic) or room. I don’t think there was any actual conversation, (there wouldn’t be any conversation because everyone had been killed by Bamber)
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Burrell's & Jean Rowe's WS 's fake.
EP really were covering themselves in 1985 when framing Bamber.
Bubo does this every time, it always ends with false/faked lied just because he dislikes what it proves. A witness statement is a legal document, he throws these accusations about like confetti, to either shut down debate or try to take control of a lost cause, Without evidence, the idea that police altered/ or Jean Rowe gave a false statement is a conspiracy theory, not a fact that it happened.
Her signed statement matches Burrell’s, it matches the GPO procedures of the time and it matches what the Police logs reported, spotting word inconsistency by different people made 40 years ago is not proof, again the amount of cover up needed you would have to hope everyone kept it secret, and hide a manufactured claimed about a 9s call 50 years back.
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Bubo does this every time, it always ends with false/faked lied just because he dislikes what it proves. A witness statement is a legal document, he throws these accusations about like confetti, to either shut down debate or try to take control of a lost cause, Without evidence, the idea that police altered/ or Jean Rowe gave a false statement is a conspiracy theory, not a fact that it happened.
Her signed statement matches Burrell’s, it matches the GPO procedures of the time and it matches what the Police logs reported, spotting word inconsistency by different people made 40 years ago is not proof, again the amount of cover up needed you would have to hope everyone kept it secret, and hide a manufactured claimed about a 9s call 50 years back.
Why do you think West hand copied his log HB? Then produced two statements with a 10 minute difference in time when Bamber called?
At trial he could not remember who instructed him to produce the second one?
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Why do you think West hand copied his log HB? Then produced two statements with a 10 minute difference in time when Bamber called?
At trial he could not remember who instructed him to produce the second one?
He may be telling the truth if he couldn’t remember, not remembering is not uncommon and don’t mean your guilty of something, all we’re talking about is a minor time difference this doesn’t always mean any wrongdoing. Statements were often written down or corrected or something missed off.
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Was Jean Rowe the only operator on duty in the district? Or at that exchange?
Was it possible that Sheila got through to another operator who put the call through to Milbank?
Jean Rowe was just one of several BT operators. JR possibly had no knowledge of the 999 call at the time it was made. Similarly, Milbank was one of a team in the HQ Information Room. There were probably ten incoming lines and maybe 6-8 staff, some radio dispatchers, some answering telephones. It was just pot luck that Milbank received the 999 call.
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Jean Rowe was just one of several BT operators. JR possibly had no knowledge of the 999 call at the time it was made. Similarly, Milbank was one of a team in the HQ Information Room. There were probably ten incoming lines and maybe 6-8 staff, some radio dispatchers, some answering telephones. It was just pot luck that Milbank received the 999 call.
With Milibank now deceased the CCRC can't verify anything.
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With Milibank now deceased the CCRC can't verify anything.
Unless any other calls operators remember what happened.
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The CCRC have gone by the WS's of Burrell, Jean Rowe & others in rejecting this ground.
This may include Milbank's WS. Which will just confirm he monitored the open line from 6.09am.
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You have the two extremes -
Nevill also not dialling 999 & spending 10 minutes talking to the police. Because two logs filled in by two different people differ!
Sheila dialling 999 then not saying anything. Because BT opened the engaged WHF line & an officer monitored the open line from 6.09am.
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Maybe CC taught Sheila, in the event of an emergency, dial 999.
Nevill and Jeremy sure didn't!
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Jean Rowe was just one of several BT operators. JR possibly had no knowledge of the 999 call at the time it was made. Similarly, Milbank was one of a team in the HQ Information Room. There were probably ten incoming lines and maybe 6-8 staff, some radio dispatchers, some answering telephones. It was just pot luck that Milbank received the 999 call.
Thanks, Bill.
Its just a pity that Heidi didn't get Milbank to clarify all this, although he may have thought it so obvious what happened that he didn't need to elaborate too much?
BUT! It was still up to Heidi to get Milbank to make it crystal clear what happened and why he was so sure that the 6.09 call was made by someone inside WHF!
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Unless any other calls operators remember what happened.
Many may be deceased by now. If not all.
I was 17 when this happened, I'll be 58 come July when you look at it like wow.
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It's understandable though Snow it was 40 years ago. What I find unforgivable is the CCRC sent EP round to interview Milbank.
I look at quite a few cases involving the Innocence project in the US, the difference between them and the CCRC is massive they leave no stone unturned! In one case with six dodgy witnesses they personally went round and coaxed the truth out of them.
Do you think Milbank would have told the truth to the CCRC but not to Essex Police?
Do the CCRC actually have the power to interview police officers directly?
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Jeremy calling Julie.
Nevill calling Jeremy.
Jeremy calling Julie.
Nevill calling Chelmsford Police.
Jeremy calling Chelmsford Police.
Jeremy calling Julie.
Sheila calling 999.
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Two of these have been rejected by the CCRC but created good publicity.
One EP did not believe happened & charged him.
The other 4 have done him no favours.
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Thanks, Bill.
Its just a pity that Heidi didn't get Milbank to clarify all this, although he may have thought it so obvious what happened that he didn't need to elaborate too much?
BUT! It was still up to Heidi to get Milbank to make it crystal clear what happened and why he was so sure that the 6.09 call was made by someone inside WHF!
I have to disagree. It was entirely the responsibility of the CCRC to approach Milbank as soon as the information was available. Heidi Blake only had the responsibility, as a journalist, to obtain sufficient material for a story to be generated and she managed to get Milbank to confirm that there was a 999 call and I guess that she was unaware of the some follow up questions that ideally she would have asked. It doesn't help that he lied throughout their conversation.
However, the CCRC has no excuse as many people immediately asked them to see Milbank and pointed out how important his evidence was. The CCRC were too scared of the implications and bottled it.
The CCRC has dismissed JB’s submissions for over 30 years, often with piss-taking sarcasm; they are now unwilling to admit that they were wrong all along.
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Bubo does this every time, it always ends with false/faked lied just because he dislikes what it proves. A witness statement is a legal document, he throws these accusations about like confetti, to either shut down debate or try to take control of a lost cause, Without evidence, the idea that police altered/ or Jean Rowe gave a false statement is a conspiracy theory, not a fact that it happened.
Her signed statement matches Burrell’s, it matches the GPO procedures of the time and it matches what the Police logs reported, spotting word inconsistency by different people made 40 years ago is not proof, again the amount of cover up needed you would have to hope everyone kept it secret, and hide a manufactured claimed about a 9s call 50 years back.
Let me start by saying that I do not believe for one minute JR and others faked their statements. This manipulation was orchestrated by Ainsley and others in order to remove exculpatory evidence and create other facts which would help the framing of JB.
I believe that JB was framed and I seek to source written and other photographic facts that call his conviction into question.
I am not a conspiracy theorist. I believe his case to be a miscarriage of justice.
The narrative of this case has been reinforced time and time again by EP and multiple media sources. I have my own narrative based on what I accept is limited evidence but that is my prerogative.
I am afraid that HB will not entertain any suggestion of police malfeasance and at times uses some but not all of the evidence to try to undermine claims of innocence.
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Bubo does this every time, it always ends with false/faked lied just because he dislikes what it proves. A witness statement is a legal document, he throws these accusations about like confetti, to either shut down debate or try to take control of a lost cause, Without evidence, the idea that police altered/ or Jean Rowe gave a false statement is a conspiracy theory, not a fact that it happened.
Her signed statement matches Burrell’s, it matches the GPO procedures of the time and it matches what the Police logs reported, spotting word inconsistency by different people made 40 years ago is not proof, again the amount of cover up needed you would have to hope everyone kept it secret, and hide a manufactured claimed about a 9s call 50 years back.
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I refer now to the information below.
If JR was adamant that she could not interfere with the 999 system why does the log show that an operator (possibly JR) says that a direct link was set up to house with phone off the hook and refers to a 999 open line, not an ordinary open line. Why would she or any other operator do this if it was not allowed and had told the police this as part of a discussion minutes earlier.
It is aspects such as this that HB fails to address choosing only that part of the argument which fits his narrative.
It seems that there were others who thought it was a 999 call. Someone from the CA07 crew based at the scene refers to a 999 call. They must have been informed it was a 999 call by those in the information room. Those at the scene were not subject to any discussions or actions in the IR so they must have been passed information that a 999 call had been received and that a link had been created. Again, not a normal call or mention of a preexisting open line.
How might these inconsistencies be explained?
Why did JR state the police were still listening in when she left at 08.00am, when she was told to close the line at 07.48am?
Why did Millbank come forward in late 2024?
Here is a suggestion. Many asked why he waited all this time when the story first broke last year. I suggested it was because he knew he was dying. At a risk of repeating myself. Any one who knew the real truth and knew JB was 'Trussed up like a kipper' could not whistle blow. Not just they but the others would all be sacked and would loose their pensions. The whole of EP would be affected good and bad. Talks about combining Essex and Kent were in the news frequently during this period. Some redundancies particularly at higher levels would be inevitable. Today there is very close cooperation between the two forces. Might they have been merged?
At the end of his life he had nothing to loose.
Did you watch the channel 4 documentary. A journalist who thinks him guilty more or less said that they 'Stitched JB up like a kipper' because like him they believed him guilty.
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Let me start by saying that I do not believe for one minute JR and others faked their statements. This manipulation was orchestrated by Ainsley and others in order to remove exculpatory evidence and create other facts which would help the framing of JB.
I believe that JB was framed and I seek to source written and other photographic facts that call his conviction into question.
I am not a conspiracy theorist. I believe his case to be a miscarriage of justice.
The narrative of this case has been reinforced time and time again by EP and multiple media sources. I have my own narrative based on what I accept is limited evidence but that is my prerogative.
I am afraid that HB will not entertain any suggestion of police malfeasance and at times uses some but not all of the evidence to try to undermine claims of innocence.
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Bubo does this every time, it always ends with false/faked lied just because he dislikes what it proves. A witness statement is a legal document, he throws these accusations about like confetti, to either shut down debate or try to take control of a lost cause, Without evidence, the idea that police altered/ or Jean Rowe gave a false statement is a conspiracy theory, not a fact that it happened.
Her signed statement matches Burrell’s, it matches the GPO procedures of the time and it matches what the Police logs reported, spotting word inconsistency by different people made 40 years ago is not proof, again the amount of cover up needed you would have to hope everyone kept it secret, and hide a manufactured claimed about a 9s call 50 years back.
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I refer now to the information below.
If JR was adamant that she could not interfere with the 999 system why does the log show that an operator (possibly JR) says that a direct link was set up to house with phone off the hook and refers to a 999 open line, not an ordinary open line. Why would she or any other operator do this if it was not allowed and had told the police this as part of a discussion minutes earlier.
It is aspects such as this that HB fails to address choosing only that part of the argument which fits his narrative.
It seems that there were others who thought it was a 999 call. Someone from the CA07 crew based at the scene refers to a 999 call. They must have been informed it was a 999 call by those in the information room. Those at the scene were not subject to any discussions or actions in the IR so they must have been passed information that a 999 call had been received and that a link had been created. Again, not a normal call or mention of a preexisting open line.
How might these inconsistencies be explained?
Why did JR state the police were still listening in when she left at 08.00am, when she was told to close the line at 07.48am?
Why did Millbank come forward in late 2024?
Here is a suggestion. Many asked why he waited all this time when the story first broke last year. I suggested it was because he knew he was dying. At a risk of repeating myself. Any one who knew the real truth and knew JB was 'Trussed up like a kipper' could not whistle blow. Not just they but the others would all be sacked and would loose their pensions. The whole of EP would be affected good and bad. Talks about combining Essex and Kent were in the news frequently during this period. Some redundancies particularly at higher levels would be inevitable. Today there is very close cooperation between the two forces. Might they have been merged?
At the end of his life he had nothing to loose.
Did you watch the channel 4 documentary. A journalist who thinks him guilty more or less said that they 'Stitched JB up like a kipper' because like him they believed him guilty.
Just sunning myself in Lanzarote BUBO, so quickly……. On Wednesday 7 August 1985 I was the Duty Sergeant in the Force
Information Roon at Police Headquarters, Chelmsford. At about 03.45 hours I became aware of the an incident in the
Tolleshunt D'Arcy area. At 03.56 I caused the Telecom Operator to check the line on a Maldon number 860209. This was done and I was told that the
telephone receiver was off its rest. At 05.55 I caused a second check to be made with the same result
accompanied by a report of a dog barking. At 06.09 hours this open line was linked up with our "999" call line
and was thereafter constantly monitored by Pc Millbank.
Inspector D Burrell.
Jean Rowe was asked to listen in ABOUT 5.50am, she did so and was asked to connect the two lines which she eventually did, the police could THEN monitor it from police HQ, Jean Rowe the OPERATOR played no further part AFTER SHE CONNECTED THE TWO LINES.
End game I’m afraid, but good luck with your evidence, maybe send the same evidence that you have that Vanezis lied, the raid team lied when they shot June and moved Neville, Jean Rowe signed a fabricated statement Along with Burrell. Your well known for ending any conversation with the likes be….It’s Fabricated/Faked or they lied!
As far as I’m aware, A whistleblower steps forward voluntarily with evidence.
Millbank didn’t, Heidi Blake approached him out the blue, that makes HIM sourced in terms of coming forward, he answered a call that’s all. Maybe your first step in uncovering justice you say for Bamber, contact Heidi Blake/ New Yorker to release the full uncut/unedited Audio and then contact Jean Rowe (if she’s still with us) or Inspector Burrell to tell them that their Statements were altered or faked and their signature was attributed them? Good luck anyway 👍
Looks like everyone new about the cover up but was afraid to speak out because talks of Essex Police and Kent police amalgamation and afraid if they did there might be redundancies, loss of pension. What a load of Bollocks you do talk and this last post of yours proves it……Conspiracy theorists don’t build cases — they throw in every loose scrap and hope something sticks.
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I have to disagree. It was entirely the responsibility of the CCRC to approach Milbank as soon as the information was available. Heidi Blake only had the responsibility, as a journalist, to obtain sufficient material for a story to be generated and she managed to get Milbank to confirm that there was a 999 call and I guess that she was unaware of the some follow up questions that ideally she would have asked. It doesn't help that he lied throughout their conversation.
However, the CCRC has no excuse as many people immediately asked them to see Milbank and pointed out how important his evidence was. The CCRC were too scared of the implications and bottled it.
The CCRC has dismissed JB’s submissions for over 30 years, often with piss-taking sarcasm; they are now unwilling to admit that they were wrong all along.
Thanks, Bill, understood!
Obviously I have no idea what went on behind the scenes regarding Heidi, Milbank, the CT and the CCRC.
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Just sunning myself in Lanzarote BUBO, so quickly……. On Wednesday 7 August 1985 I was the Duty Sergeant in the Force
Information Roon at Police Headquarters, Chelmsford. At about 03.45 hours I became aware of the an incident in the
Tolleshunt D'Arcy area. At 03.56 I caused the Telecom Operator to check the line on a Maldon number 860209. This was done and I was told that the
telephone receiver was off its rest. At 05.55 I caused a second check to be made with the same result
accompanied by a report of a dog barking. At 06.09 hours this open line was linked up with our "999" call line
and was thereafter constantly monitored by Pc Millbank.
Inspector D Burrell.
Jean Rowe was asked to listen in ABOUT 5.50am, she did so and was asked to connect the two lines which she eventually did, the police could THEN monitor it from police HQ, Jean Rowe the OPERATOR played no further part AFTER SHE CONNECTED THE TWO LINES.
End game I’m afraid, but good luck with your evidence, maybe send the same evidence that you have that Vanezis lied, the raid team lied when they shot June and moved Neville, Jean Rowe signed a fabricated statement Along with Burrell. Your well known for ending any conversation with the likes be….It’s Fabricated/Faked or they lied!
As far as I’m aware, A whistleblower steps forward voluntarily with evidence.
Millbank didn’t, Heidi Blake approached him out the blue, that makes HIM sourced in terms of coming forward, he answered a call that’s all. Maybe your first step in uncovering justice you say for Bamber, contact Heidi Blake/ New Yorker to release the full uncut/unedited Audio and then contact Jean Rowe (if she’s still with us) or Inspector Burrell to tell them that their Statements were altered or faked and their signature was attributed them? Good luck anyway 👍
Looks like everyone new about the cover up but was afraid to speak out because talks of Essex Police and Kent police amalgamation and afraid if they did there might be redundancies, loss of pension. What a load of Bollocks you do talk and this last post of yours proves it……Conspiracy theorists don’t build cases — they throw in every loose scrap and hope something sticks.
Well, Well, Well I believe the Burrell note was constructed to suggest that the 999 call never happened and the call was as a result of connecting an abandoned line to the 999 system.
This is despite JR saying operators were not allowed to carry out such an action and yourself saying that it was connected to the HQIR phone so as not to ‘clog’ up the system.
He says he was the duty sergeant.
Bonnett and West had been dealing with this since 03.26am.
Why did the duty sergeant not get involved with this sooner. By 03.45 cars had been despatched.
How did he know the number for WHF?
West had the number Bonnett did not. The number was added to his log later by someone whose writing sloped to the right whereas Bonnett’s sloped to the left. Whoever added this also had a quirk of striking a line through zeros which was not a feature of Bonnett’s writing as other parts of the log show.
The only way he could have obtained this number was by talking to West. If he spoke to West he would know that the line had already been primed for a check at 03.42am so there would be no need for another check at 03.56am. What is more the Bonnett log says the result of the check was given at 03.56 (allowing for broken timing on log) so why would he be asking for another check at the exact same timing.
Bonnett would know West had or was going to ask for a line check
Some duty sergeant who does not know what his team was doing.
However, his efforts were rewarded because by 13/09/85 (5 weeks later) he is now an Inspector.
Sorry HB the Burrell log/memo/statement has been constructed as I say in my opening remarks.
Do not get too much sun it might addle your brain. Am visiting Tenerife next week.
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Well, Well, Well I believe the Burrell note was constructed to suggest that the 999 call never happened and the call was as a result of connecting an abandoned line to the 999 system.
This is despite JR saying operators were not allowed to carry out such an action and yourself saying that it was connected to the HQIR phone so as not to ‘clog’ up the system.
He says he was the duty sergeant.
Bonnett and West had been dealing with this since 03.26am.
Why did the duty sergeant not get involved with this sooner. By 03.45 cars had been despatched.
How did he know the number for WHF?
West had the number Bonnett did not. The number was added to his log later by someone whose writing sloped to the right whereas Bonnett’s sloped to the left. Whoever added this also had a quirk of striking a line through zeros which was not a feature of Bonnett’s writing as other parts of the log show.
The only way he could have obtained this number was by talking to West. If he spoke to West he would know that the line had already been primed for a check at 03.42am so there would be no need for another check at 03.56am. What is more the Bonnett log says the result of the check was given at 03.56 (allowing for broken timing on log) so why would he be asking for another check at the exact same timing.
Bonnett would know West had or was going to ask for a line check
Some duty sergeant who does not know what his team was doing.
However, his efforts were rewarded because by 13/09/85 (5 weeks later) he is now an Inspector.
Sorry HB the Burrell log has been constructed as I say in my opening remarks.
Do not get too much sun it might addle your brain. Am visiting Tenerife next week.
Ha Ha thanks, sun sea and cycling. Friends have just posted me positive news about the Tawny Owl anyway, they’re going to release her back to the area that she was found 👍. I’m a hero 😇
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Ha Ha thanks, sun sea and cycling. Friends have just posted me positive news about the Tawny Owl anyway, they’re going to release her back to the area that she was found 👍. I’m a hero 😇
My cycling days are over. Before my wife passed we had a motorhome and our bikes were always at the ready. We did a lot all over Europe. I am a member of the RSPB I will nominate you for your efforts.
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My cycling days are over. Before my wife passed we had a motorhome and our bikes were always at the ready. We did a lot all over Europe. I am a member of the RSPB I will nominate you for your efforts.
Sad to hear that Bubo about your wife. We had an Auto trail Cheyenne fixed bed and worked on Campsites I also qualified for the Motorhome and caravan club warden/assistant and was offered to go to London Abbey wood, in the end I turned it down and stopped on the site we were working on in Essex. To be honest I love the cycle touring and camping now, but I am a fine weather camper not like my mates.