Jeremy Bamber Forum
JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Adam on July 12, 2025, 02:27:PM
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Would like to obtain as much information as possible on this.
Julie did say Bamber planned to use it.
Suspect the only function it had was 'last number dialled', which is the reason he wanted to use it.
Doubtful the memory displayed 'time of call' or 'call duration'. If it did that it would have given him time restrictions.
There is also an issue of whether these phones could cover more than a few hundred yards. If so & Bamber used it, he would be making a fatal mistake.
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No, cordless phones in 1985 would not have had the capability to display call duration.
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No, portable phones in 1985, like the Motorola DynaTAC 8000x, could not display the time of call.
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In 1985, portable phones, specifically cordless phones, were designed to cover a limited distance from their base station, typically within the same building or a short distance away. The operational range was usually restricted to a few hundred meters, with indoor ranges often being less than 50 meters and outdoor ranges up to 300 meters, assuming a clear line of sight.
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So lucky he did not use the portable phone.
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Yes, some portable phones in 1985 could display the last number dialled.
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So Julie's WS still has a 'ring of truth'.
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Which is why he had to end June instead of going after Nevill straight away and going downstairs after him.
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Don't personally see the phone as an issue either way given that calls can't be traced one way or another.
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Going by AI -
He did tell Julie he planned to use the portable phone. As it had a 'last number dialled' display.
Phoning GH from WHF on the portable phone would not have given him time restrictions. As the phone did not display 'time of call' or 'call duration'.
It is very doubtful Nevill's portable phone would reach GH. Even if he had the most expensive one available.
It is unclear whether Bamber had done further investigation on this phone after speaking to Julie & prior to the 7/8/85 & was aware of it's limited radius.
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Can't recall having a portable phone at the time.
Just used call boxes and the landline.
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Where could the portable phone reach if it couldn't reach Goldhanger then really what purpose did it serve?
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Bamber using the portable phone to back up his 'Nevill phoned me' narrative would have been fatal.
Seems he got lucky that the phone was not available & that BT could not track calls.
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What was the purpose in the portable phone if it couldn't reach Goldhanger which is just three miles away?
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Seems he got lucky that the phone was not available & that BT could not track calls.
Wouldn't say he got lucky.
Without knowing the range of the phone can't properly make an judgement. Only thing to say in regards to it is it's pretty pointless having a phone with range no further than GH in any event.
Him bringing telecom up in his interview shows he possibly wanted to secure an alibi by it " I thought telecom could check "
Or maybe he was just winging it. We will never know.
16 minute minimum gap to explain between WHF - GH GH to Chelmsford. Already looks suspicious. Phonecalls could never really aid him either way
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His best bet would have been to have had Julie spend the night in GH with him and he not have been home alone.
She may have been more reluctant to go to the police on him for fear or being roped in. For Bamber though it would have been a strong alibi.
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Wouldn't say he got lucky.
Without knowing the range of the phone can't properly make an judgement. Only thing to say in regards to it is it's pretty pointless having a phone with range no further than GH in any event.
Him bringing telecom up in his interview shows he possibly wanted to secure an alibi by it " I thought telecom could check "
Or maybe he was just winging it. We will never know.
16 minute minimum gap to explain between WHF - GH GH to Chelmsford. Already looks suspicious. Phonecalls could never really aid him either way
I have posted the range of these phones in 1985.
No way any portable phone would make 3+ miles.
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Seems at one point pre massacre Bamber had not done any research on phones.
He didn't even know Nevill's phone only covered a few hundred yards!
He may have done some research later on. Either way, he was no rush to ring Chelmsford Police when arriving back at GH.
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What was the purpose in the portable phone if it couldn't reach Goldhanger which is just three miles away?
I think Adam means the distance to the base station inside the house ILB, the base station would be connected to the landline. The early portable phone had limited range.
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I have posted the range of these phones in 1985.
No way any portable phone would make 3+ miles.
If it connected to the base station he could call anywhere, the base station inside the house connected to the landline, the base station offered a bridge transmitting the signal from the handset to the telephone line. It was the signal to the base station inside the house that was limited from outside or if the signal (radio wave ) was poor.
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If it connected to the base station he could call anywhere, the base station inside the house connected to the landline, the base station offered a bridge transmitting the signal from the handset to the telephone line. It was the signal to the base station inside the house that was limited from outside or if the signal (radio wave ) was poor.
All they did was allow freedom of movement within a radius, if you got a signal to the base station, you could call anywhere, the base station would be the charging point for the phone battery.
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I think Adam means the distance to the base station inside the house ILB, the base station would be connected to the landline. The early portable phone had limited range.
Thanks Hardy.
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Cordless phones in 1985 relied on a base unit connected to a landline, and the handset communicated with this base unit wirelessly. The range was typically limited to a building or a short distance from the base station.
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Seems at one point pre massacre Bamber had not done any research on phones.
He didn't even know Nevill's phone only covered a few hundred yards!
He may have done some research later on. Either way, he was no rush to ring Chelmsford Police when arriving back at GH.
Always wonder what the scope of his research may have been.
Although comes across as a more " here and now " type of guy than a planner and a thinker.
He may have just got lucky.
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Cordless phones in 1985 relied on a base unit connected to a landline, and the handset communicated with this base unit wirelessly. The range was typically limited to a building or a short distance from the base station.
If attempted the call on this phone and couldn't get through he'd simply abandon it, not massively detrimental at all.
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If he could call GH from WHF on the portable phone using the base unit, it would have given his narrative a short term boost. Due to the 'last number dialled' display.
The police would quickly say it was him calling GH.
Julie's WS saying he planned to use it would not have helped either.
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If attempted the call on this phone and couldn't get through he'd simply abandon it, not massively detrimental at all.
If the portable phone refused to ring GH as it was too far, he could revert to using a WHF phone.
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If he could call GH from WHF on the portable phone using the base unit, it would have given his narrative a short term boost. Due to the 'last number dialled' display.
The police would quickly say it was him calling GH.
Julie's WS saying he planned to use it would not have helped either.
By the time he was under suspicion and under arrest it was nearly two months down the line.
If this had played out this way but just a different choice of phone would be difficult to see how it would pan out
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If he could call GH from WHF on the portable phone using the base unit, it would have given his narrative a short term boost. Due to the 'last number dialled' display.
The police would quickly say it was him calling GH.
Julie's WS saying he planned to use it would not have helped either.
Maybe two phones out of action and the cream bedroom phone taken downstairs in the kitchen to replace the kitchen phone, and Sheila and the boys in attendance at the farm, is why it had to be the night for the murders
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Maybe two phones out of action and the cream bedroom phone taken downstairs in the kitchen to replace the kitchen phone, and Sheila and the boys in attendance at the farm, is why it had to be the night for the murders
The bike was also ready.
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If he could call GH from WHF on the portable phone using the base unit, it would have given his narrative a short term boost. Due to the 'last number dialled' display.
The police would quickly say it was him calling GH.
Julie's WS saying he planned to use it would not have helped either.
You have lost me Adam? you cannot call your own number from a mobile phone into which the base unit is connected even if the phone had sufficient range?
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You have lost me Adam? you cannot call your own number from a mobile phone into which the base unit is connected even if the phone had sufficient range?
I think he’s saying, if you call Goldhanger from WHF Rob? The portable was at WHF and Adam’s saying Bamber called his own house number to make out his Dad called from WHF? Confusing I know ;D
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You have lost me Adam? you cannot call your own number from a mobile phone into which the base unit is connected even if the phone had sufficient range?
You have lost me.
I am trying to get more info on the portable phone Julie said Bamber planned to use.
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You have lost me.
I am trying to get more info on the portable phone Julie said Bamber planned to use.
How can you call the number the base unit is connected into? That's what you were saying is it not?
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How can you call the number the base unit is connected into? That's what you were saying is it not?
Read the thread.
It is about calling GH from WHF on the portable phone. Whether it was possible.
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I think Adam means the distance to the base station inside the house ILB, the base station would be connected to the landline. The early portable phone had limited range.
Thanks but I am confused why Adam says:
It is very doubtful Nevill's portable phone would reach GH. Even if he had the most expensive one available.
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Read the thread.
It is about calling GH from WHF on the portable phone. Whether it was possible.
Of course it's possible if the base unit is at WHF, if the base unit is more than a 100 feet away or so then no!
If the base unit is at GH even if the mobile phone is in range you cannot ring yourself?
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Of course it's possible if the base unit is at WHF, if the base unit is more than a 100 feet away or so then no!
If the base unit is at GH even if the mobile phone is in range you cannot ring yourself?
Please supply the source.
My reply 21 I got from AI is inconclusive on whether he could phone GH from WHF.
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Please supply the source.
My reply 21 I got from AI is inconclusive on whether he could phone GH from WHF.
Source for what?
You have answered your own question in reply 21 NO!
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Source for what?
You have answered your own question in reply 21 NO!
Please supply a source that Nevill's portable phone could call Bamber's cottage.
My reply 21 did not negate my reply 3.
Second request.
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Please supply a source that Nevill's portable phone could call Bamber's cottage.
My reply 21 did not negate my reply 3.
Second request.
In the 1980s, "ringing out" with a portable house phone, also known as a cordless phone, involved a process similar to using a traditional landline phone, but with the added convenience of mobility within a limited range of a base station. The base station would connect to the public telephone network, and the handset would communicate with the base station via radio frequency. When a call was placed, the base station would transmit the ringing signal to the handset, which would then alert the user with a ringing tone.
So long as you was within distance of the base station within the house you could ring anywhere. I had one, I could sit in the garden and answer calls and I could also ring out. If I went down the street and lost contact with the base station (charging point) inside the house I couldn’t ring anywhere or answer a call, Why do you think they had numbers buttons on the phone if you couldn’t call anyone.
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So the portable phone could ring GH.
Pretty obvious conclusion.
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Either way the same function to secure an alibi would be with what he hoped a telecom check who possibly show.
Don't personally place much empathis on whatever phone he used would bolster his story me personally.
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Please supply a source that Nevill's portable phone could call Bamber's cottage.
My reply 21 did not negate my reply 3.
Second request.
Its simple Adam, Base Station Connection:
The base station of the cordless phone was connected to the standard telephone line, just like a traditional landline phone.
the portable phone connected to the base station through radio frequency, I think they had the technology to increase the distance of the radio frequency, but it could interfere with aircraft?
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So the portable phone could ring GH.
Pretty obvious conclusion.
So long as the radio frequency connected to the base station in the house ILB, why would anyone bother to have them if you couldn’t use them, to be honest, I’ve got one in my house now.
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Of course it's possible if the base unit is at WHF, if the base unit is more than a 100 feet away or so then no!
If the base unit is at GH even if the mobile phone is in range you cannot ring yourself?
My ex husband was an anything new technophile! Back in the 80's -and it could only have been between 81 and 85 we visited the Isle of White, from where we sat in the car with a mobile phone the size of a house-brick and a pull out ariel almost a foot long, and made a call to my parents, in Essex! It was as clear as if they'd been standing next to the car. My amazement was off the scale!
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Please supply a source that Nevill's portable phone could call Bamber's cottage.
My reply 21 did not negate my reply 3.
Second request.
In a way you are correct, the Portable phone wasn’t at WHF it was taken away, so it couldn’t 😂
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Back to Adams original point, what was the perceived advantage for Bamber in using the portable phone?
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Back to Adams original point, what was the perceived advantage for Bamber in using the portable phone?
Julie said Bamber told her it would show the 'last number dialled'.
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Julie said Bamber told her it would show the 'last number dialled'.
Very shocked he didnt use it then.
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Very shocked he didnt use it then.
He couldn't as it wasn't at WHF.
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My ex husband was an anything new technophile! Back in the 80's -and it could only have been between 81 and 85 we visited the Isle of White, from where we sat in the car with a mobile phone the size of a house-brick and a pull out ariel almost a foot long, and made a call to my parents, in Essex! It was as clear as if they'd been standing next to the car. My amazement was off the scale!
Yes Jane but we are talking about different things here, I once used a mobile phone the size of a small suitcase. Nevil's phone was not a mobile phone it was a mobile handset which was connected to the landline via a base unit with a very limited range. Even today they have a very limited range.
So Adam asking for a source that Nevil's handset could reach GH is just wasting everyone's time as he always does.
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He couldn't as it wasn't at WHF.
To be honest would have only been an advantage if he had come under suspicion in any single form from the early stages.
By the time he had got arrested nearly two months later it would have probably been thrown.
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To be honest would have only been an advantage if he had come under suspicion in any single form from the early stages.
By the time he had got arrested nearly two months later it would have probably been thrown.
Julie's WS said he told her the portable phone had a 'last number dialled' facility.
AI confirms these phones had that facility in 1985.
The defence would have been all over her if it didn't.
Can only think of one reason why Bamber gave her that information.
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Julie's WS said he told her the portable phone had a 'last number dialled' facility.
AI confirms these phones had that facility in 1985.
The defence would have been all over her if it didn't.
Can only think of one reason why Bamber gave her that information.
Like I said, it limits Neville’s chance or anyone’s chance of getting to the Phone, if they did it could blow his cover. So two phones down, one broken and another one hid, only leaves the Kitchen phone and the office phone. it could be why, June was trying to get to Neville’s side of the bed thinking that the phone was there, also it could explain why Sheila went to Neville’s side of the bed thinking the phone was there also.
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Like I said, it limits Neville’s chance or anyone’s chance of getting to the Phone, if they did it could blow his cover. So two phones down, one broken and another one hid, only leaves the Kitchen phone and the office phone. it could be why, June was trying to get to Neville’s side of the bed thinking that the phone was there, also it could explain why Sheila went to Neville’s side of the bed thinking the phone was there also.
Does Bamber question why there was no Bedroom phone do we know? He obviously knew the kitchen Phone had been replaced by the Bedroom phone.
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The defence would have been all over her if it didn't.
It's likely with the murder suicide scenario being accepted from the outset that the phone would have ended up on local council rubbish truck.
Agree had he been subjected to suspicion from the initial outset it could have been or value for him.
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Does Bamber question why there was no Bedroom phone do we know? He obviously knew the kitchen Phone had been replaced by the Bedroom phone.
One would have thought June would have preferred to take her sister's call in bed, rather than standing around the kitchen area at such a late hour during harvest. It suggests she wasn't expecting a call. I don't think Jeremy would volunteer information in any case, as the question might have been asked why his mother didn't put the bullets away her son had carelessly tipped out onto the blue and white chequered worktop only minutes before.
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One would have thought June would have preferred to take her sister's call in bed, rather than standing around the kitchen area at such a late hour during harvest. It suggests she wasn't expecting a call. I don't think Jeremy would volunteer information in any case, as the question might have been asked why his mother didn't put the bullets away her son had carelessly tipped out onto the blue and white chequered worktop only minutes before.
Yes I did think that about the bullets at the side of the Phone Steve and June using the phone.. But he claimed he tipped them out while they were feet away from him anyway, and in a later interview claiming Sheila would have a view of him as he tipped them out at the side of the Phone, cementing her knowledge of the bullets.
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Julie's WS said he told her the portable phone had a 'last number dialled' facility.
AI confirms these phones had that facility in 1985.
The defence would have been all over her if it didn't.
Can only think of one reason why Bamber gave her that information.
Telephones 66. There were normally four telephones at White House Farm (although there was only one telephone line). A cream old-fashioned finger-dial telephone kept in the main bedroom (the bedroom telephone), a blue digital telephone in the first floor office (the office telephone), a cream cordless telephone kept in the kitchen but used around and outside the house (the cordless telephone) and a fawn digital telephone also kept in the kitchen (the kitchen telephone). The only telephone with a memory recall feature was the CORDLESS TELEPHONE but this had been faulty and was collected for repair on the morning of 5 August 1985.