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OFF TOPIC => Israel/Palestine => Topic started by: gringo on June 01, 2025, 03:07:PM
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Francesca Albanese, UN Special Rapporteur on the Occupied Palestinian Territories, re-posted an eye opening thread yesterday. It reveals, with conclusive evidence, that it is Israel running the criminal gangs looting the food warehouses, not Hamas as they and compromised western governments and media claim. Thread below:
https://x.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1928535665194709237
"Conclusive evidence of Israel running the very criminal gangs looting aid in Gaza🧵
Hamas released footage today of an ambush against what they thought were Israeli Mista'arvim (undercover) soldiers in Rafah
But upon closer inspection, they turned out to be Abu Shabab's gang; the Israel-backed warlord, drug dealer, & serial criminal responsible for looting the vast majority of aid under full IDF protection.
Abu Shabab runs a gang of 100-200 armed mercenaries who sat up a military complex in Rafah with Israel's backing
In the footage, Abu Shabab's mercenaries were walking around a depopulated Rafah freely carrying weapons in front of Israeli troops (currently any Palestinian that walks into Rafah is killed on the spot).
The mercenaries were conducting surveillance activities for Israel of those areas."
2\ From the Hamas footage, a senior Abu Shabab gang leader is identified; Ghassan Al-Dahini is the mercenary running the gang's operation on the ground
He survived this ambush & is believed to still be running the Israel-backed gang
3\ In mid-April, exactly when this ambush was carried out, a facebook group posted the names of 4 armed individuals that were killed in Rafah while "conducting work"
They were ex-officers of the PA security forces
They are the ones seen killed in the Hamas video above
4\ The IDF itself just admitted that Abu Shabab is the gang leader responsible for looting aid
They left out that he's doing so under full IDF protection who allow him to operate this group of armed mercenaries in Rafah
5\ Today Abu Shabab's own family disowned him, & called for his elimination after it was proven that his gang is operating under Israel's instructions
6\ But here's where it gets crazier; Abu Shabab, the Israel-backed warlord looting most of the aid just announced establishing an "anti-terror force" in Rafah to "secure aid"
He's operating right in front of Israeli troops, in brand new military fatigue & Israeli M-16 rifles
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"7\ Abu Shabab's gang are now even running two official Facebook pages, glorifying him as a "national leader" to rehabilitate his image after Israel decided to create a puppet "security force" out of his gang
The FB page publishes content in fluent English & Arabic; a psy-op!
8\ Why is Israel allowing a criminal gang to loot aid under IDF protection & creating a "security force" out of this very gang?
Israel provides the answer: to engineer a crisis of looting & chaos to justify their new mercenary shell GHF group that weaponizes food for genocide"
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Every single time. No matter the accusation made by Israel and its western sponsors, it is guaranteed to be a confession of their own actions. It is perhaps the reason why the vast majority of the world do not recognise Hamas as a "proscribed terror group" but instead as a legitimate resistance against an illegal occupation.
Only the countries and entities that support and fund the current ongoing genocide in Palestine proscribe Hamas as a terror group. Shown below;
"Australia, Canada, Paraguay, Israel, Japan, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States, as well as the European Union, have designated Hamas as a terrorist organization."
That is 8 countries and the EU as an entity(40 countries in total out of 193). These genocide arming, funding and sponsoring governments of Israel represent less than 15% of the world population, or as they call it, "the international community". Meanwhile the 85% + of the world who aren't the "international community" recognise Hamas as legitimate resistance. Their populations aren't propagandised to the extent of the "free west" and bombarded with obvious false accusations. Most of the world understands perfectly well the difference between "illegal occupation" and "legitimate resistance".
Is there any accusation against Hamas that isn't simply a confession of Israel and their sponsors malevolence?
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Every single time. No matter the accusation made by Israel and its western sponsors, it is guaranteed to be a confession of their own actions. It is perhaps the reason why the vast majority of the world do not recognise Hamas as a "proscribed terror group" but instead as a legitimate resistance against an illegal occupation.
Only the countries and entities that support and fund the current ongoing genocide in Palestine proscribe Hamas as a terror group. Shown below;
"Australia, Canada, Paraguay, Israel, Japan, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States, as well as the European Union, have designated Hamas as a terrorist organization."
That is 8 countries and the EU as an entity(40 countries in total out of 193). These genocide arming, funding and sponsoring governments of Israel represent less than 15% of the world population, or as they call it, "the international community". Meanwhile the 85% + of the world who aren't the "international community" recognise Hamas as legitimate resistance. Their populations aren't propagandised to the extent of the "free west" and bombarded with obvious false accusations. Most of the world understands perfectly well the difference between "illegal occupation" and "legitimate resistance".
Is there any accusation against Hamas that isn't simply a confession of Israel and their sponsors malevolence?
Hamas is a terrorist organization. Israel left Gaza in 2005. No excuse whatsoever for October 7 2023. Stop trying to rewrite history. https://www.jns.org/idf-hundreds-of-bombs-found-in-gaza-homes-unwra-sacks/
The food aid situation is a little more complicated than you assert. https://news.sky.com/story/completely-abhorrent-how-the-roll-out-of-new-gaza-aid-system-collapsed-into-chaos-13375941
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Hamas is a terrorist organization. Israel left Gaza in 2005. No excuse whatsoever for October 7 2023. Stop trying to rewrite history. https://www.jns.org/idf-hundreds-of-bombs-found-in-gaza-homes-unwra-sacks/
The food aid situation is a little more complicated than you assert. https://news.sky.com/story/completely-abhorrent-how-the-roll-out-of-new-gaza-aid-system-collapsed-into-chaos-13375941
Only Israel and its Western comprador governments who sponsor the current genocide recognise Hamas as terrorists. The vast majority of the world see them as legitimate resistance to a brutal and illegal occupation. Recognition as terrorists by the motley crew of western warmongers is more a “badge of honour” than a condemnation.
The evidence that Israel themselves are overseeing and directing the looting of food warehouses in order to blame Hamas is undeniable. As with all Israeli accusations, it is a confession of their own malevolence. Next post will be about the rape allegations where again it is undeniable that Israelis are guilty of the rape of Palestinian hostages. The Israeli population support these rape Palestinian hostages. A very sick society that cannot be ended too soon.
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Only Israel and its Western comprador governments who sponsor the current genocide recognise Hamas as terrorists. The vast majority of the world see them as legitimate resistance to a brutal and illegal occupation. Recognition as terrorists by the motley crew of western warmongers is more a “badge of honour” than a condemnation.
The evidence that Israel themselves are overseeing and directing the looting of food warehouses in order to blame Hamas is undeniable. As with all Israeli accusations, it is a confession of their own malevolence. Next post will be about the rape allegations where again it is undeniable that Israelis are guilty of the rape of Palestinian hostages. The Israeli population support these rape Palestinian hostages. A very sick society that cannot be ended too soon.
I regret every occupant of Gaza has to go hungry. It shouldn't happen. Don't tell me Putin has the interests of the Russian people at heart, when he has sent hundreds of thousands of young men to their deaths in Ukraine. And don't tell me he acquired his fortune through the sweat of his brow: it's highly likely he's been siphoning off profits from Rosneft and Gazprom for years to feather his own nest. https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/world-richest-politician-is-worth-200-billion-owns-700-cars-is-not-from-india-101729318585498.html
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I regret every occupant of Gaza has to go hungry. It shouldn't happen. Don't tell me Putin has the interests of the Russian people at heart, when he has sent hundreds of thousands of young men to their deaths in Ukraine. And don't tell me he acquired his fortune through the sweat of his brow: it's highly likely he's been siphoning off profits from Rosneft and Gazprom for years to feather his own nest. https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/world-richest-politician-is-worth-200-billion-owns-700-cars-is-not-from-india-101729318585498.html
But you support the actions of those that use food as a weapon. You support those that have destroyed the infrastructure in Gaza which had the direct consequence of causing the starvation. It is hypocrisy on a grand scale to now claim some regret about the predictable consequences.
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The food aid situation is a little more complicated than you assert. https://news.sky.com/story/completely-abhorrent-how-the-roll-out-of-new-gaza-aid-system-collapsed-into-chaos-13375941
Below is a news report of the story that you link to. If by, "more complicated", you mean Israel (in collaboration with US)also "militarises food distribution" and then murders over 50 and injures more than 200 civilians when it predictably goes tits up, then yes it is more complicated. They then deny having shot anyone, "in sight of or in the vicinity of the aid distribution hub". Interesting caveat isn't it, Steve. The lies and denials are pathetic as is anyone still buying them. There is video footage and ample evidence that Israeli forces shot the Palestinians at a food aid hub that they set up and with which no Aid Organisation will work. Today showed why. Your continued defence of the indefensible and denial of the undeniable is doing you no favours.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izw9WLezlpc
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But you support the actions of those that use food as a weapon. You support those that have destroyed the infrastructure in Gaza which had the direct consequence of causing the starvation. It is hypocrisy on a grand scale to now claim some regret about the predictable consequences.
I don't support starvation of Gazans. Hamas made their headquarters under schools and hospitals and used the civilian population as human shields. They are to blame for the unintended consequences of war.
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I don't support starvation of Gazans. Hamas made their headquarters under schools and hospitals and used the civilian population as human shields. They are to blame for the unintended consequences of war.
You are shameless.
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You are shameless.
You are way too kind, ngb. People still carrying water for the genocidal Zionist colony at this stage are doing so in the full knowledge of the openly expressed genocidal intent and daily massacres live-streamed on social media. Nobody will be able to credibly claim, "they didn't know", when this is all over.
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I don't support starvation of Gazans. Hamas made their headquarters under schools and hospitals and used the civilian population as human shields. They are to blame for the unintended consequences of war.
Genocide apologist. The mass killing of women, children, UN staff, aid workers, doctors, medics and the destruction of hospitals, infrastructure etc. is by no stretch of the imagination, an "unintended consequence". Neither you nor anyone else really believes the destruction and slaughter of innocents was "unintended".
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Genocide apologist. The mass killing of women, children, UN staff, aid workers, doctors, medics and the destruction of hospitals, infrastructure etc. is by no stretch of the imagination, an "unintended consequence". Neither you nor anyone else really believes the destruction and slaughter of innocents was "unintended".
I suppose October 7 2023 was justifiable homicide.
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I suppose October 7 2023 was justifiable homicide.
I think you must be deranged. Even formerly staunch Zionist defenders like Piers Morgan are now confessing that they were deluded. Unlike you they want to avoid being condemned for justifying the unjustifiable. I have challenged you on this before. Is there no atrocity that Israel commits that you will even mildly critisise?
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I think you must be deranged. Even formerly staunch Zionist defenders like Piers Morgan are now confessing that they were deluded. Unlike you they want to avoid being condemned for justifying the unjustifiable. I have challenged you on this before. Is there no atrocity that Israel commits that you will even mildly critisise?
No, because Israel is fighting for its very existence. Why not answer the implied question instead of avoiding and making a joke about the conditions on another thread?
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No, because Israel is fighting for its very existence. Why not answer the implied question instead of avoiding and making a joke about the conditions on another thread?
Steve, nothing short of violent regime change is going to save Israel now.
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Steve, nothing short of violent regime change is going to save Israel now.
You, ngb1066 and gringo won't be happy until seven million Jews have relocated to Utah.
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Francesca Albanese, UN Special Rapporteur on the Occupied Palestinian Territories, re-posted an eye opening thread yesterday. It reveals, with conclusive evidence, that it is Israel running the criminal gangs looting the food warehouses, not Hamas as they and compromised western governments and media claim. Thread below:
https://x.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1928535665194709237
"Conclusive evidence of Israel running the very criminal gangs looting aid in Gaza🧵
Hamas released footage today of an ambush against what they thought were Israeli Mista'arvim (undercover) soldiers in Rafah
But upon closer inspection, they turned out to be Abu Shabab's gang; the Israel-backed warlord, drug dealer, & serial criminal responsible for looting the vast majority of aid under full IDF protection.
Abu Shabab runs a gang of 100-200 armed mercenaries who sat up a military complex in Rafah with Israel's backing
In the footage, Abu Shabab's mercenaries were walking around a depopulated Rafah freely carrying weapons in front of Israeli troops (currently any Palestinian that walks into Rafah is killed on the spot).
The mercenaries were conducting surveillance activities for Israel of those areas."
2\ From the Hamas footage, a senior Abu Shabab gang leader is identified; Ghassan Al-Dahini is the mercenary running the gang's operation on the ground
He survived this ambush & is believed to still be running the Israel-backed gang
3\ In mid-April, exactly when this ambush was carried out, a facebook group posted the names of 4 armed individuals that were killed in Rafah while "conducting work"
They were ex-officers of the PA security forces
They are the ones seen killed in the Hamas video above
4\ The IDF itself just admitted that Abu Shabab is the gang leader responsible for looting aid
They left out that he's doing so under full IDF protection who allow him to operate this group of armed mercenaries in Rafah
5\ Today Abu Shabab's own family disowned him, & called for his elimination after it was proven that his gang is operating under Israel's instructions
6\ But here's where it gets crazier; Abu Shabab, the Israel-backed warlord looting most of the aid just announced establishing an "anti-terror force" in Rafah to "secure aid"
He's operating right in front of Israeli troops, in brand new military fatigue & Israeli M-16 rifles
To redress the balance a little: https://youtu.be/r5J5hNsqK7o
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To redress the balance a little: https://youtu.be/r5J5hNsqK7o
Utterly revolting nonsense.
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I thought this was an excellent piece from Bowen.
Israel is accused of the gravest war crimes - how governments respond could haunt them for years to come
Even wars have rules. They don't stop soldiers killing each other but they're intended to make sure that civilians caught up in the fighting are treated humanely and protected from as much danger as possible. The rules apply equally to all sides.
If one side has suffered a brutal surprise attack that killed hundreds of civilians, as Israel did on 7 October 2023, it does not get an exemption from the law. The protection of civilians is a legal requirement in a battle plan.
That, at least, is the theory behind the Geneva Conventions. The latest version, the fourth, was formulated and adopted after World War Two to stop such slaughter and cruelty to civilians from ever happening again.
At the headquarters of the International Committee of the Red Cross in Geneva (ICRC) the words "Even Wars Have Rules" are emblazoned in huge letters on a glass rotunda.
The reminder is timely because the rules are being broken.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0r1xl5wgnko
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I thought this was an excellent piece from Bowen.
Israel is accused of the gravest war crimes - how governments respond could haunt them for years to come
Even wars have rules. They don't stop soldiers killing each other but they're intended to make sure that civilians caught up in the fighting are treated humanely and protected from as much danger as possible. The rules apply equally to all sides.
If one side has suffered a brutal surprise attack that killed hundreds of civilians, as Israel did on 7 October 2023, it does not get an exemption from the law. The protection of civilians is a legal requirement in a battle plan.
That, at least, is the theory behind the Geneva Conventions. The latest version, the fourth, was formulated and adopted after World War Two to stop such slaughter and cruelty to civilians from ever happening again.
At the headquarters of the International Committee of the Red Cross in Geneva (ICRC) the words "Even Wars Have Rules" are emblazoned in huge letters on a glass rotunda.
The reminder is timely because the rules are being broken.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0r1xl5wgnko
I read that this morning HB. Bowen has had to be very careful what he says because of the constraints imposed upon him by BBC management who have been terrified of pressure from the Israel lobby. However in recent reports over the past few days and in this article he is going much further than he has done before and his view of the conduct of Israel is quite clear.
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I read that this morning HB. Bowen has had to be very careful what he says because of the constraints imposed upon him by BBC management who have been terrified of pressure from the Israel lobby. However in recent reports over the past few days and in this article he is going much further than he has done before and his view of the conduct of Israel is quite clear.
I thought it was a very honest neatly written article, he certainly doesn’t waste his words NGB. I think when you write the truth, it’s very hard for anyone to pick fault.
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I thought this was an excellent piece from Bowen.
Israel is accused of the gravest war crimes - how governments respond could haunt them for years to come
Even wars have rules. They don't stop soldiers killing each other but they're intended to make sure that civilians caught up in the fighting are treated humanely and protected from as much danger as possible. The rules apply equally to all sides.
If one side has suffered a brutal surprise attack that killed hundreds of civilians, as Israel did on 7 October 2023, it does not get an exemption from the law. The protection of civilians is a legal requirement in a battle plan.
That, at least, is the theory behind the Geneva Conventions. The latest version, the fourth, was formulated and adopted after World War Two to stop such slaughter and cruelty to civilians from ever happening again.
At the headquarters of the International Committee of the Red Cross in Geneva (ICRC) the words "Even Wars Have Rules" are emblazoned in huge letters on a glass rotunda.
The reminder is timely because the rules are being broken.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0r1xl5wgnko
Melanie Phillips' response:
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Journalists for genocide
The media constitutes the eighth front in the war to exterminate Israel
Melanie Phillips
Jun 8
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Next month, the London freelance branch of Britain’s National Union of Journalists is to hold a meeting to discuss ”the ethics and realities of reporting genocide when the only journalists on the scene are being slaughtered.”
The meeting is being sponsored by the hard-left Labour MP and former Corbyn apparatchik John McDonnell, who has accused Israel of murder and called for its economic and military isolation.
So a fair, balanced and objective discussion, then.
Accusing Israel of “genocide,” when it’s fighting a just war against genocidal attack, when it’s allowed into Gaza tens of thousands of tons of food and other aid, when it’s repeatedly moved Gaza’s civilians out of harm’s way and has killed a far lower proportion of civilians to combatants than any other military in war, denotes either illiteracy, imbecilism or malice.
As for “the only journalists on the scene being slaughtered,” a number of those individuals have been exposed as terrorists masquerading as journalists.
Yesterday, the Israel Defence Forces said it had killed two Islamic jihadi terrorists who had posed as journalists and who had operated from a command centre in the courtyard of the Al Ahli Hospital in Gaza. So not only were these individuals not journalists but they were terrorists engaged in the war crime of using a hospital as cover for terrorism.
Will the NUJ meeting discuss the “ethics and realities” of that?
Last October, the IDF disclosed that intelligence information and numerous documents found in Gaza had confirmed the military affiliation of six Al Jazeera “journalists” to Hamas and Islamic Jihad. This discovery included personnel tables, lists of terrorist training courses, phone directories and salary documents for terrorists.
Last month, Al Jazeera and other Arabic outlets mourned the death of “journalist” Bilal al Hatoum, who they said had been targeted and killed with a group of “civilians” in Gaza. Yet Al Jazeera analyst Saeed Ziad eulogised Bilal as a “beloved martyr” who “fought from the dawn of the Day of the Flood [October 7th] until noon today”. And someone else who called him his “beloved brother” described him as having been “martyred” with “a group of mujahideen” in a “blessed battle”.
Will the NUJ meeting discuss the “ethics and realities” of that?
Repeatedly, the western media has passed off as impartial journalists people who either belong to or work closely with Hamas.
The spokesman for Gaza’s Civil Defence, Mahmoud Zabar Tafesh Bassal, who was responsible for informing the media about casualties in Gaza and has been quoted by CNN, the BBC, the Guardian, the Washington Post and many other outlets, has now been outed as an active Hamas terrorist. The Jewish Chronicle reports:
The IDF claims to have found documents during operational activities in Gaza that prove “unequivocally” that spokesperson Mahmoud Zabar Tafesh Bassal is a “terrorist in the Hamas terrorist organisation” and responsible for advancing “psychological warfare and propaganda” as part of his role.
The three intelligence documents disclosed by the IDF all mention Bassal by name and list him serving in various roles, including as a cell head in a Hamas intelligence unit…The IDF claimed Bassal “abuses his role [as spokesperson] by spreading false and unverified information to the international media, while falsely attributing war crimes to Israel and by presenting fabricated data. This information receives global media exposure and has caused a severe distortion of the reality on the ground.”
Will the NUJ meeting discuss the “ethics and realities” of that?
But the issue is even worse than this. For every single journalist in Gaza must toe the Hamas line — or else face exclusion or death.
Some Arab journalists have spoken about the intimidation they’ve suffered at the hands of Hamas. The head of the Palestinian Journalists’ Syndicate said:
There are major violations committed by the Hamas government and group against journalists.The violations range from summonses, interrogations, phone calls, threats, sometimes beatings and arrests, to harassment, publication bans, interference with content, and surveillance.
This, then, is the western media’s dirty little secret. Any journalist reporting from Gaza faces these threats by Hamas — and always has done. Yet not one media outlet has ever told the public the truth — that the words being said or the pictures being shown from Gaza are all produced under intimidation and coercion.
Instead, the BBC and other western journalists whine that Israel refuses to allow western media into Gaza (other than those who are embedded with the IDF). What they don’t say is that, given the lies such journalists would tell the world under an intimidation they conceal, allowing them into Gaza would be tantamount to aiding the genocidal enemy. What other country at war for its life would ever be expected to do such a thing?
Back in 2014, in a classic Tablet essay during yet another Gaza war, Matti Friedman wrote from first-hand experience the definitive exposé of the control exercised by Hamas on every journalist in Gaza, and the corruption of virtually the entire media in concealing this. He wrote:
There has been much discussion recently of Hamas attempts to intimidate reporters. Any veteran of the press corps here knows the intimidation is real, and I saw it in action myself as an editor on the AP [Associated Press] news desk. During the 2008-2009 Gaza fighting I personally erased a key detail — that Hamas fighters were dressed as civilians and being counted as civilians in the death toll — because of a threat to our reporter in Gaza. (The policy was then, and remains, not to inform readers that the story is censored unless the censorship is Israeli.)
Key to this is that the editors sitting in western newsrooms frame the Middle East conflict entirely in term of Israeli oppressiveness and Palestinian victimhood. Friedman went on:
The fact is that Hamas intimidation is largely beside the point because the actions of Palestinians are beside the point. Most reporters in Gaza believe their job is to document violence directed by Israel at Palestinian civilians. That is the essence of the Israel story. In addition, reporters are under deadline and often at risk, and many don’t speak the language and have only the most tenuous grip on what is going on. They are dependent on Palestinian colleagues and fixers who either fear Hamas, support Hamas, or both. Reporters don’t need Hamas enforcers to shoo them away from facts that muddy the simple story they have been sent to tell.
On Friday, an extremely rare event occurred. An anonymous senior BBC figure actually admitted the truth. This source told the UK’s Times (£):
Hamas is a body that routinely lies and executes people it doesn’t like, but we treat them as if they’re of equal status to a democratically elected government that runs an open society. Impartiality does not mean neutrality — it means truthfulness.
Someone should bring that to the attention of the BBC’s Global News Director, Jonathan Munro. Asked whether some BBC journalistic sources were compromised by Hamas, he said:
They're not restricted in what they are able to see and show. There may be physical restrictions — for example, not many of them have much fuel to go from one town to another — but there is no restriction on what they can show, what they can see and what they can film when they're on location. There is no suggestion at all that any of those very brave people are under any political influence.
You really do have to wonder whether Munro is merely lethally ignorant or knows that what he’s saying is garbage. My guess is the former. That’s because the BBC almost universally subscribes to the view that it upholds objectivity and truth and that anyone who says otherwise is by definition an extremist. On the subject of Israel, the BBC inhabits a totally closed thought system.
That’s why it’s simply impossible to get it to acknowledge its crucial role in propagating Palestinian propaganda that has incited murderous hatred of Israel and the Jewish people. It’s why it routinely uses journalists who are venomous partisans against Israel. In a report on Unherd last March, David Rose wrote:
In a long article on the BBC website today, the BBC’s International Editor Jeremy Bowen wrote an egregiously one-sided vilification of Israel which was for many hours treated as front page news. Referencing one Israel-basher after another with no attempt at balance, he constructed a narrative libelling Israel with the now stock falsehoods of famine, expulsion, war crimes and genocide. He made no mention of the testimony by international military experts that Israel punctiliously observes the laws of war. He made no mention of the number of terrorists killed by the IDF — indeed, one might imagine that instead of 70 per cent of those killed being fighting age men (as researchers have shown can be gleaned from Hamas’s own statistics) the IDF had killed no terrorists at all.
https://www.euronews.com/2025/04/03/hamas-run-health-ministry-quietly-removes-thousands-from-gaza-death-toll-researchers-find?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
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Melanie Phillips' response:
More deluded excrement from your hero Melanie. It is utter drivel. If I were you I would stop digging. That hole is very deep.
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I thought the Yanks were going to build some sort of floating platform from the sea to enable aid through?
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More deluded excrement from your hero Melanie. It is utter drivel. If I were you I would stop digging. That hole is very deep.
Well, if we are going to talk in clichés, I think some of you should wake up and smell the coffee.
Let me elucidate:
Never again will six million Jews go up the chimney without firing a shot.
Never again will Gaza be allowed to become a launching pad for attacks on Israel.
I would guess in the next few months the above territory as well as Judea and Samaria will be incorporated legally into the Israel constitution. Those Arabs who do not wish to stay under Israeli jurisdiction will be given the chance to leave.
Unlike the six million who died at Auschwitz and other extermination centres.
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Well, if we are going to talk in clichés, I think some of you should wake up and smell the coffee.
Let me elucidate:
Never again will six million Jews go up the chimney without firing a shot.
Never again will Gaza be allowed to become a launching pad for attacks on Israel.
I would guess in the next few months the above territory as well as Judea and Samaria will be incorporated legally into the Israel constitution. Those Arabs who do not wish to stay under Israeli jurisdiction will be given the chance to leave.
Unlike the six million who died at Auschwitz and other extermination centres.
I don’t think anyone disputes what happened to the Jews in Auschwitz Steve, my wife and daughter visited Auschwitz last year and was horrified.
I gather the views you are sharing is the general consensus within the Christian Society and I must say I am shocked, I would have thought the Church would would offer prayers for all and hope for peace and forgiveness, especially for the estimated 44,000 innocent people killed by the Israel army, 70per cent whom are women and children, it’s estimated 13,000 Children have been killed and 800 under the age of one. I would have thought the Church was against revenge on such a scale and that revenge belonged to God alone?
I think personally you’ve drank too much coffee it can unbalance your thinking Steve, try drinking Decaf for a change.
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I don’t think anyone disputes what happened to the Jews in Auschwitz Steve, my wife and daughter visited Auschwitz last year and was horrified.
I gather the views you are sharing is the general consensus within the Christian Society and I must say I am shocked, I would have thought the Church would would offer prayers for all and hope for peace and forgiveness, especially for the estimated 44,000 innocent people killed by the Israel army, 70per cent whom are women and children, it’s estimated 13,000 Children have been killed and 800 under the age of one. I would have thought the Church was against revenge on such a scale and that revenge belonged to God alone?
I think personally you’ve drank too much coffee it can unbalance your thinking Steve, try drinking Decaf for a change.
I think the wider point you were making before people got sidetracked is the rules of war. I don't think one could blame a current member of the IDF for having a degree of scepticism thereon when he thinks of the millions of his ancestors who died in WW2 solely on the basis they were Jews.