Jeremy Bamber Forum
JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: ILB on May 04, 2025, 08:03:AM
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Brief audio clip https://youtube.com/shorts/9jOj3LwzBP8?si=YwWFZ1WVXBvoWF9W
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Jez has always highlighted Ainsley, SJ, and Cook.
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Brief audio clip https://youtube.com/shorts/9jOj3LwzBP8?si=YwWFZ1WVXBvoWF9W
I think the comment has more to do with how he viewed his adoption rather than the heinous crime he committed.
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I think the comment has more to do with how he viewed his adoption rather than the heinous crime he committed.
Doesn't seem that way. He is specifically referencing senior police officers and his interviews
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Doesn't seem that way. He is specifically referencing senior police officers and his interviews
Yes, but it's the subliminal reference which came to mind, his declamatory remarks revealing more than repining on his current predicament. His expostulations against the calumniations of Essex police will strike a chord with those sympathetic to his cause, though only strengthen the resolve of those who believe him to be guilty and feel he brought all the tribulations he has experienced over the years upon himself.
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Yes, but it's the subliminal reference which came to mind, his declamatory remarks revealing more than repining for his current predicament. His expostulations against the calumniations of Essex police will strike a chord with those sympathetic to his cause, though only strengthen the resolve of those who believe him to be guilty and to have brought all the tribulations he has experienced over the years upon himself.
The adoption for both children was plain sailing till their early adult years.
I completely believe the comfortable adult childhood JB purports.
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The adoption for both children was plain sailing till their early adult years.
I completely believe the comfortable adult childhood JB purports.
I agree to some extent, though Sheila it was who had the tantrums in the back garden, and Jeremy who learned to ape with the aim of achieving his at that stage limited goals. Sheila had implored her parents to be removed from Moira House, whilst Jeremy may have been too overawed to protest at his predicament.
I come back to the Jubilee photograph (someone may post), where he appears malleable, almost browbeaten one might say, until he rebelled in the late teens as he gained in confidence and physically, though not mentally, matured.
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Yes, but it's the subliminal reference which came to mind, his declamatory remarks revealing more than repining for his current predicament. His expostulations against the calumniations of Essex police will strike a chord with those sympathetic to his cause, though only strengthen the resolve of those who believe him to be guilty and to have brought all the tribulations he has experienced over the years upon himself.
Time for the free dictionary so that I can decipher your post, Steve! ^-^
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Time for the free dictionary so that I can decipher your post, Steve! ^-^
More difficult to analyse what comes from Jeremy's mouth, nine tenths of it like an iceberg below the surface.
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I agree to some extent, though Sheila it was who had the tantrums in the back garden, and Jeremy who learned to ape with the aim of achieving his at that stage limited goals. Sheila had implored her parents to be removed from Moira House, whilst Jeremy may have been too overawed to protest at his predicament.
I come back to the Jubilee photograph (someone may post), where he appears malleable, almost browbeaten one might say, until he rebelled in the late teens as he gained in confidence and physically, though not mentally, matured.
Why do you think Jeremy never aimed high education wise?
He was gifted in mathematics.
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More difficult to analyse what comes from Jeremy's mouth, nine tenths of it like an iceberg below the surface.
So you dont sense a ring of truth in his voice then, Steve.
Just a never ending cruel devious act?
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Why do you think Jeremy never aimed high education wise?
He was gifted in mathematics.
I think gifted is a relative term, in an age where O Levels were the gold standard. He certainly knew his parents were wealthy, and how much was being expended on Sheila, and the future possibility of private education for the twins. His interest in geography also came in useful, as he fatefully studied the terrain between Bourtree Cottage and White House Farm. In the back of his mind would be the location of his place of birth.
To answer your question more directly, I doubt the stuffy atmosphere of Gresham's did him any favours, with far more chalk and talk lessons than hands-on experience. To his credit he did move on to Chelmsford College after the relative failure at the previous institution, buckling down to work after sensing Nevill's disappointment at his academic performance to date. But by this time he had realized what he was to inherit, and I think the spur and motivation to continue serious study was lost.
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So you dont sense a ring of truth in his voice then, Steve.
Just a never ending cruel devious act?
I think self-deception might be the word snow66! I can't feel any sympathy for someone who brought the whole tragic situation upon himself.
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Why do you think Jeremy never aimed high education wise?
He was gifted in mathematics.
FFS. Alan Turing was gifted in mathematics not Jeremy Bamber.
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The adoption for both children was plain sailing till their early adult years.
I completely believe the comfortable adult childhood JB purports.
Have you any understanding of 'attachment'?
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Have you any understanding of 'attachment'?
Are you saying that all adoptees sense a feeling of alienation, which continues long into adulthood? The White House Farm murders may be an extreme case, but there are surely examples of successful adoptions, which we rarely get to hear about.
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Are you saying that all adoptees sense a feeling of alienation, which continues long into adulthood? The White House Farm murders may be an extreme case, but there are surely examples of successful adoptions, which we rarely get to hear about.
I am saying that adoptees who experienced an adoptive mother who suffered severe depression as a result of her decision to adopt, ie SC, in all likelihood sustained an attachment disorder which has lifelong implications.
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I am saying that adoptees who experienced an adoptive mother who suffered severe depression as a result of her decision to adopt, ie SC, in all likelihood sustained an attachment disorder which has lifelong implications.
That's possible, but unlikely to cause schizophrenia, I would have thought. Jeremy also had the double alienation of losing Juliet then being sent away to Norfolk at eight years old.
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That's possible, but unlikely to cause schizophrenia, I would have thought. Jeremy also had the double alienation of losing Juliet then being sent away to Norfolk at eight years old.
No. The difference between the two is quite stark:
SC : birth mother, care home, June, carers due to June's severe depression as a result of her decision to adopt resulting in ect and in-patient psychiatric care, June
JB : birth mother, June.
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No. The difference between the two is quite stark:
SC : birth mother, care home, June, carers due to June's severe depression resulting in ect and in-patient psychiatric care, June
JB : birth mother, June.
I don't think there's so much difference really. Don't forget June had a second breakdown when Jeremy was still living at White House Farm. Sheila had moved to London by that point, but admittedly the damage may have been done. Jeremy also had the break-up of his relationship with Suzette to deal with as well as the purported miscarriages, which he may have blamed on his parents.
Sheila also suffered miscarriages, but thereafter had Nicholas and Daniel in her life, at least in the very early years.
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I don't think there's so much difference really. Don't forget June had a second breakdown when Jeremy was still living at White House Farm. Sheila had moved to London by that point, but admittedly the damage may have been done. Jeremy also had the break-up of his relationship with Suzette to deal with as well as the purported miscarriages, which he may have blamed on his parents.
Sheila also suffered miscarriages, but thereafter had Nicholas and Daniel in her life, at least in the very early years.
The fact you don't think there's much difference is neither here nor there. All experts in the field would beg to differ. We do not know how many "breakdowns" June sustained but the one sustained in 1982 was at a time when JB was an adult which is irrelevant in terms of childhood attachment. The breakdown June sustained in 1959 was at a time when SC was at her most vulnerable for an attachment disorder at the age of 2. Bearing in mind too SC did not go from her birth mother to June but went into a care home between the two.
SC's adult life is irrelevant to a childhood attachment disorder. I would have thought you would know about all of this working in the teaching profession?
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Have you any understanding of 'attachment'?
Do I remind you of a cherished boyfriend who jilted you when you was 18?
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Have you any understanding of 'attachment'?
Yes.
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I come back to the Jubilee photograph (someone may post), where he appears malleable, almost browbeaten one might say, until he rebelled in the late teens as he gained in confidence and physically, though not mentally, matured.
There you go Steve.
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The adoption for both children was plain sailing till their early adult years.
I completely believe the comfortable adult childhood JB purports.
Hugely sweeping statements! You're speaking about what is clearly obvious. A financial cushion isn't always an emotional cushion. It simply means that one can be unhappy or a misfit in comfort.........not to mention any strings attached!
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Hugely sweeping statements! You're speaking about what is clearly obvious. A financial cushion isn't always an emotional cushion. It simply means that one can be unhappy or a misfit in comfort.........not to mention any strings attached!
No with respect, just your interpretation.
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Do I remind you of a cherished boyfriend who jilted you when you was 18?
You are as far removed from my type as is possible.
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Brief audio clip https://youtube.com/shorts/9jOj3LwzBP8?si=YwWFZ1WVXBvoWF9W
So according to Jeremy, those three officers hated him and that was their murder for "stitching me up".
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So according to Jeremy, those three officers hated him and that was their murder for "stitching me up".
If he was stitched up, Dan,it was simply because Julie came forward and they needed something tangible [Sheilas blood in silencer] to get the case to trial.
But yes, who knows, their attitude towards JBs life style and their dislike of him may have clouded their judgement about who was telling the truth, ie,. Julie or Jeremy!
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So according to Jeremy, those three officers hated him and that was their murder for "stitching me up".
They are JBs words.
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Not sure how the police thought he was gay. He had a girlfriend!
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Not sure how the police thought he was gay. He had a girlfriend!
There was comment from RWB about JB keeping homosexual company.
DS Jones asked JM about her sex life with JB. A bit disturbing that a man old enough to be her father is having such a conversation without the presence of others. Did he get some sexual gratification out of it?
The Dickinson report claims he was promiscous with females and males.
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There was comment from RWB about JB keeping homosexual company.
DS Jones asked JM about her sex life with JB. A bit disturbing that a man old enough to be her father is having such a conversation without the presence of others. Did he get some sexual gratification out of it?
The Dickinson report claims he was promiscous with females and males.
JB has always claimed he is heterosexual. And even if he did have any kind of homosexual inclinations it means nothing in his detriment.
I have seen the surveillance transcripts of JB in September 1985, they contain a lot of racist references etc to people in the vicinity. This is 80s policing. This is how it was then.[/list]
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JB has always claimed he is heterosexual. And even if he did have any kind of homosexual inclinations it means nothing in his detriment.
I have seen the surveillance transcripts of JB in September 1985, they contain a lot of racist references etc to people in the vicinity. This is 80s policing. This is how it was then.[/list]
I have zero interest in JB's sexuality then, now and anywhere in-between. I was just saying that the police and relatives spoke negatively about JB having relationships with gays.
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I have zero interest in JB's sexuality then, now and anywhere in-between. I was just saying that the police and relatives spoke negatively about JB having relationships with gays.
I felt the same way about the Alex Davies murder. Video to follow.[/list]
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I have zero interest in JB's sexuality then, now and anywhere in-between. I was just saying that the police and relatives spoke negatively about JB having relationships with gays.
Thanks for that.[/list]