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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Adam on April 16, 2025, 07:41:PM
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The source for this is......Bamber.
He did contradict this. Both on the night and decades later.
He believed telling police at WHF this he had justified why Nevill had called him & not 999.
Does anyone else have another source that Nevill did not like getting authorities involved in domestics?
Am happy to retract.
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Not sure what Bamber is basing his statement on.
Was he at WHF when there was a domestic which should have involved the police. But Nevill kept it private? He has never mentioned one.
Both him & Sheila had not lived there for a long time. Prior to that they both went to boarding school at an early age. Then lived there lives away from WHF.
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Obviously if there are no other sources, Bamber's claim will be dismissed.
Not least because he has twice contradicted himself.
It is very unlikely Nevill would call Bamber's AM instead of 999.
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The source for this is......Bamber.
He did contradict this. Both on the night and decades later.
He believed telling police at WHF this he had justified why Nevill had called him & not 999.
Does anyone else have another source that Nevill did not like getting authorities involved in domestics?
Am happy to retract.
I don’t think Neville would want any police involvement in anything, maybe it would cause him problems allowing Sheila to gain access to his guns, but there comes a stage where someone is going crazy with a gun when you have to make a decision based on the seriousness of the situation, was phoning Jeremy that such person or was it a made up story from Jeremy is the question?
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If Bamber is telling the truth it is he who made the decision to phone police. He said he tried phoning WHF and got an engaged tone.
Bamber said Nevills words were him were " please come over, your sister has gone crazy and HAS the gun "
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Defence point at trial is that " Bamber did not appreciate the seriousness of the situation "
" and had been to frightened to go over alone "
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If the police had been called and the situation had not ended up like it did very likely Daniel and Nicholas would be stopped from being in Shelias care in any shape or form.
Which in turn stops Nevill and June having any contact.
Social services would be all over it.
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He also probably didn't want Shelia to get arrested.
I outlined along with CC various reasons in another thread recently.
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He also probably didn't want Shelia to get arrested.
I outlined along with CC various reasons in another thread recently.
Appreciate you are going to justify Nevill ringing Bamber.
Just want to know if there are other sources.
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Appreciate you are going to justify Nevill ringing Bamber.
Just want to know if there are other sources.
We are not going to be privy to how many domestics had taken place, all we can work from is shelias hospital admissions. Whether or not a domestic coincided with them I'm unsure.
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Not sure what Bamber is basing his statement on.
Was he at WHF when there was a domestic which should have involved the police. But Nevill kept it private? He has never mentioned one.
Both him & Sheila had not lived there for a long time. Prior to that they both went to boarding school at an early age. Then lived there lives away from WHF.
Although not close the fact that they shared the same adoptive parents would have kept them in touch with each other. They would have known the details of each others life's.
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I believe his only justification for Nevill calling him & not the police was said on the night.
I don't recall anything else from him pre 2010 when he retracted and started saying Nevill did call the police.
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He may have thought the same as you that NB would be able single handedly to bring the situation under control, hence his dildayiling.
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Understand why he would try to justify why Nevill would call him & not 999.
Either the police asked him or he wanted to say it on the night as part of his narrative.
As he is the only source & I believe him guilty, will have to say I do not believe it to be the case.
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Nevill was known to call police at Witham " dad's army"
The insinuation is there.
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I would imagine that anyone calling the police from WHF would have been a source of embarrassment while Nevill was still a magistrate----one thing would clearly laugh at another under those circumstances.
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Imagine Nevill ringing the police when Sheila threw a wobbly ? His pride wouldn't have allowed those outside to see what went on inside. Instead, Nevill himself dealt with her best he could, or rang Jeremy for assistance.
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I would imagine that anyone calling the police from WHF would have been a source of embarrassment while Nevill was still a magistrate----one thing would clearly laugh at another under those circumstances.
i agree Lookout (welcome back my friend, I have asked about you) but, the nature of the call and the time of the call would certainly raise some questions, but the turning point for me would be the line going dead and not being able to contact my Father after several attempts?
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Imagine Nevill ringing the police when Sheila threw a wobbly ? His pride wouldn't have allowed those outside to see what went on inside. Instead, Nevill himself dealt with her best he could, or rang Jeremy for assistance.
Why is there instances where Neville rang Jeremy for help with Sheila before?
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Why is there instances where Neville rang Jeremy for help with Sheila before?
There's nothing about that in the literature on the case. I can accept that Nevill and June were private people at home, after giving time to charitable and other works, but that can work both ways since Jeremy as an insider was free to set the agenda as he so chose.
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The source for this is......Bamber.
He did contradict this. Both on the night and decades later.
He believed telling police at WHF this he had justified why Nevill had called him & not 999.
Does anyone else have another source that Nevill did not like getting authorities involved in domestics?
Am happy to retract.
The other thing is, if Nevill didn't want the police involved, why did Bamber call them?
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The other thing is, if Nevill didn't want the police involved, why did Bamber call them?
Because the phone conversation came to an abrupt end and JB was unable to call back.
At the time he had known NB for some 24 years. He would detect the genuine alarm and urgency in his voice. He knew the state of firearms and ammo inside WHF and he knew SC had a long history of serious mental health issues. She had only been out of a psychiatric hospital for some weeks. Imo he was in a bind hence the call to JM and faffing around with the phone book.
But more importantly the phone call is supported by the soc evidence: the line open and handset on the worktop off the cradle, along with blood stains to flooring/lack of, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks.
The fact the case is currently supported by a lot of misguided individuals and in the dark ages doesn't mean to say it always will be: cometh the hour, cometh the woman 8)
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The other thing is, if Nevill didn't want the police involved, why did Bamber call them?
Another thing! JB claims he rang Julie "to hear a friendly voice" -not too sure I'd feel overly such after being awoken from sleep at silly o'clock- but it wasn't as if there was uncertainty on his part during said call. He didn't ask "What do you think I should do" type questions. He seems not to have voiced any concerns. Indeed "Something is wrong at the farm" has more of a "mission accomplished" feel about it. I don't think he got to hear a voice of any kind, friendly or otherwise. It was he who did the talking................and was that the call in which he told her how many minutes the call had lasted?
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Because the phone conversation came to an abrupt end and JB was unable to call back.
At the time he had known NB for some 24 years. He would detect the genuine alarm and urgency in his voice. He knew the state of firearms and ammo inside WHF and he knew SC had a long history of serious mental health issues. She had only been out of a psychiatric hospital for some weeks. Imo he was in a bind hence the call to JM and faffing around with the phone book.
But more importantly the phone call is supported by the soc evidence: the line open and handset on the worktop off the cradle, along with blood stains to flooring/lack of, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks.
The fact the case is currently supported by a lot of misguided individuals and in the dark ages doesn't mean to say it always will be: cometh the hour, cometh the woman 8)
So what does he do after detecting the alarm in his dads voice and knowing the state of the firearms in the house, and knowing about Sheila’s psychiatric background, he phones a friend at 3.00 am in the morning for a friendly chat and then decides to search the yellow pages for a police station, missing the obvious IN AN EMERGENCY CALL 999.
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So what does he after detecting the alarm in his dads voice and knowing the state of the firearms in the house, and knowing about Sheila’s psychiatric background, he phones a friend at 3.00 am in the morning for a friendly chat and then decides to search the yellow pages for a police station, missing the obvious IN AN EMERGENCY CALL 999.
That's why I said he was in somewhat of a bind but why get caught up in the above when it can be evidenced from the physical evidence at soc what happened.
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Another thing! JB claims he rang Julie "to hear a friendly voice" -not too sure I'd feel overly such after being awoken from sleep at silly o'clock- but it wasn't as if there was uncertainty on his part during said call. He didn't ask "What do you think I should do" type questions. He seems not to have voiced any concerns. Indeed "Something is wrong at the farm" has more of a "mission accomplished" feel about it. I don't think he got to hear a voice of any kind, friendly or otherwise. It was he who did the talking................and was that the call in which he told her how many minutes the call had lasted?
" something is wrong at the farm" is a strange choice of words a gulity man would use when ringing his girlfriend to tell her that he murdered five members of his family. Given that hours before he had told her that " tonight's the night "
Disagree it sounds like " mission accomplished "
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Another thing! JB claims he rang Julie "to hear a friendly voice" -not too sure I'd feel overly such after being awoken from sleep at silly o'clock- but it wasn't as if there was uncertainty on his part during said call. He didn't ask "What do you think I should do" type questions. He seems not to have voiced any concerns. Indeed "Something is wrong at the farm" has more of a "mission accomplished" feel about it. I don't think he got to hear a voice of any kind, friendly or otherwise. It was he who did the talking................and was that the call in which he told her how many minutes the call had lasted?
I think that was the 10pm call. He was more resolute in the second call, with mission accomplished.
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I think that was the 10pm call. He was more resolute in the second call, with mission accomplished.
Thank-you, Steve.
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" something is wrong at the farm" is a strange choice of words a gulity man would use when ringing his girlfriend to tell her that he murdered five members of his family. Given that hours before he had told her that " tonight's the night "
Disagree it sounds like " mission accomplished "
Whilst I won't go as far as suggesting it was coded, I do think it may have been his way of conveying to her the completion of an idea they'd previously discussed, ie mission accomplished without spelling it out.
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Whilst I won't go as far as suggesting it was coded, I do think it may have been his way of conveying to her the completion of an idea they'd previously discussed, ie mission accomplished without spelling it out.
Yes, and Bamber aware that they may be being overheard.
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Yes, and Bamber aware that they may be being overheard.
Indeed. An important point, Steve.
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Yes, and Bamber aware that they may be being overheard.
He seems not to have had that fear at 10pm when he phoned Julie.
Which you believe he would have done because SB was in close proximity apparently.
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He seems not to have had that fear at 10pm when he phoned Julie.
Which you believe he would have done because SB was in close proximity apparently.
But it was still expressed in code even then. "Tonight's the night" can mean many things.
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The other thing is, if Nevill didn't want the police involved, why did Bamber call them?
He said it didn’t cross his mind to dial 999 even though his Father had asked him to come quickly?
144. Having received the telephone call from his father, the appellant said that it had not crossed his mind to use the 999 system to call the police. Instead he described spending a little time looking up the number for Colchester Police Station. On that particular page of the directory (which he was shown in the witness box) it reads in bold type, "In emergency call the operator (dial 999 where appropriate) and ask for the police". The appellant agreed that on his account, even though his father had asked him to come quickly, he had then telephoned Julie Mugford and then driven slowly to the farmhouse. He agreed it would also have been possible for him to have called one of the farm workers, he said he had not considered that,
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He said he thought " he didn't think it would make a difference in how long police would take to turn up " and " he didn't know how the system worked "
He was impatient when he was on hold with PC West. When West returned to the call JB angrily said " Jesus's christ, you took ages"
For me, I don't understand from the his perspective why he didn't phone 999. It's not incriminating in him doing so and either way WHF was going to be a major crime scene swarmed by police at some point.
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He said he thought " he didn't think it would make a difference in how long police would take to turn up " and " he didn't know how the system worked "
He was impatient when he was on hold with PC West. When West returned to the call JB angrily said " Jesus's christ, you took ages"
For me, I don't understand from the his perspective why he didn't phone 999. It's not incriminating in him doing so and either way WHF was going to be a major crime scene swarmed by police at some point.
This is from the COA ILB?
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This is from the COA ILB?
PC West WS and PS Bews WS
Reference his perspective, my own views. I genuinely wonder why as a gulity man he would swerve phoning 999 and look up a number. Either way it was going to be a crime scene.
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PC WS and PS Bews WS
Reference his perspective, my own views. I genuinely wonder why as a gulity man he would swerve phoning 999 and look up a number. Either way it was going to be a crime scene.
I don’t think we will ever know ILB, why he woke Julie up at 3.00am, when his father asked him to come quickly, why he never rang the police on 999, why he drove slowly instead of quickly, Bamber Knows why and so to does Mugford in my view?
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Three reasons I can think of why he called Chelmsford Police -
The further out a police car is despatched from, the more chance he has of getting picked up.
The further out a police car is despatched from, the longer it will take them to get there. If they refuse to pick him up.
Looking through Yello Pages helps explain a gap after Nevill's call.
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Three reasons I can think of why he called Chelmsford Police -
The further out a police car is despatched from, the more chance he has of getting picked up.
The further out a police car is despatched from, the longer it will take them to get there. If they refuse to pick him up.
Looking through Yello Pages helps explain a gap after Nevill's call.
PC West in his statement says he told him to " meet the police at the farmhouse" I.e go there himself, and he agrees, he makes no mention of Bamber asking to get picked up
Was this later rectified that this was the case?
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I don’t think we will ever know ILB, why he woke Julie up at 3.00am, when his father asked him to come quickly, why he never rang the police on 999, why he drove slowly instead of quickly, Bamber Knows why and so to does Mugford in my view?
He testified he drove slowly to 'arrive after the police'.
This would be because he was scared.
Guilters will say this was because he wanted to give the impression he had just left his cottage.
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PC West in his statement says he told him to " meet the police at the farmhouse" I.e go there himself, and he agrees, he makes no mention of Bamber asking to get picked up
Was this later rectified that this was the case?
'Crimes, hearts and Coronets' says he asked to be picked up.
Will check Wilkes's as well.
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Guilters will say this was because he wanted to give the impression he had just left his cottage.
Do you believe he was worried that if already at WHF when the police arrived he would come under suspicion?
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Do you believe he was worried that if already at WHF when the police arrived he would come under suspicion?
Not straight away. But later.
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Not straight away. But later.
He shouldn't have worried, remember he would have woke up half of goldhanger with the sound of his car ignition starting
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Not to mention the security cameras.
Would have been a good alibi.
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The police passing him did him no favours.
It shows how close the police went to his cottage. So worth asking to be picked up.
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The police passing him did him no favours.
It shows how close the police went to his cottage. So worth asking to be picked up.
The Green party would have been impressed :)
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The police passing him did him no favours.
It shows how close the police went to his cottage. So worth asking to be picked up.
I would have just expected PC West to have recorded Bambers request to be picked up. He was the first police officer he had dialogue with.
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Why is there instances where Neville rang Jeremy for help with Sheila before?
This came from JB himself, but depends whether you believe JB. Sorry I haven't got back to you sooner.